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12:38 AM
Ah, c'mon. Do I ask you how to make fried chicken on your programming blog? — Robert Harvey 3 mins ago
 
Maybe you should start a fried chicken blog....
I can see people asking programming questions there
@RobertHarvey Funny quote
 
1:06 AM
In real life we don't have View Models -- So? Objects in a software system frequently do not correspond to real-world objects. I don't understand why you're having a problem with naming your objects, and I don't understand what you mean by "system metaphor." — Robert Harvey 34 mins ago
 
 
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5:56 AM
This may be a question better asked at Programmers, but your sentence "but "Rails" doesn't seem to be much more than an MVC framework which the Ruby language is placed upon" is basically right, except backwards. Rails is an MVC framework built on top of Ruby. It's like Spring MVC would be to Java. — photoionized 42 secs ago
 
 
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7:37 AM
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because licensing advice is off-topic on Stack Overflow. You may be able to get help on Programmers Stack Exchange, but read their faq carefully before proceeding.Kyll 44 secs ago
 
 
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11:43 AM
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Q: Cross-posts, egregiously off-topic questions and the vanishing delete link

Robert HarveyHaving been a participant on Programmers for quite some time now, I am no stranger to new users and drive-by posters. Despite Programmers' reputation as "the least understood site on the network," there are still a few categories of questions that are clearly and undisputably off-topic: Code t...

 
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because licensing advice is off-topic on Stack Overflow. You may be able to get help on Programmers Stack Exchange, but read their faq carefully before proceeding.Kyll just now
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because licensing advice is off-topic on Stack Overflow. You may be able to get help on Programmers Stack Exchange, but read their faq carefully before proceeding.Kyll 35 secs ago
I think you will have better results in programmers.stackexchange.comgoto 7 secs ago
I think this is wrong forum Martin. This one is more about troubleshooting than exchanging general ideas. I believe programmers.stackexchange.com would be a better fit. I flagged your question for moderator's attention suggesting migrating it there, so you don't need to do anything — Konrad Morawski 36 secs ago
 
12:16 PM
@Duga goto considered harmfull?
 
Silence
 
 
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3:14 PM
This sounds like an attempt at a Unified Field Theory of Semantics. — radarbob 14 hours ago
 
hi
I know this is for programmers, but can someone please help with stackoverflow.com/questions/36941913/…
 
3:39 PM
@RonakAgrawal What is a WAR?
 
4:09 PM
WAR-> workaround
@RobertHarvey sorry for the shorthand
 
Sheesh. Young people and their cell phones.
 
_/_
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Corrected in question as well
Thoughts??
 
4:36 PM
@RonakAgrawal Nope. You're asking for a lot. If VS2010 isn't capable of this, then it is what it is. Note that, in Test Settings Roles, Data and Diagnostics is only supported on Premium and Ultimate. Web Tests is supported only in Ultimate. connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/787030/…. It looks like a feature, not a bug; what you're asking is tantamount to "How can I throw a switch to get VS2010 to be an Ultimate version?"
 
Anybody here familiar with Mongo?
 
@KitZ.Fox It's NoSQL, right? :)
That's about all I know about it.
 
Yes. I'm trying to figure out why this query isn't doing what I expect it to.
 
Ask a question on Stack Overflow.
 
That's terrifying.
 
4:40 PM
Man up.
(so to speak)
 
Are you questioning my masculinity?
 
It would be funnier to tell me to grow a pair.
 
Heh.
What's he worst that could happen?
At least you're not asking a question about hacking Visual Studio.
 
ha
I think I figured it out.
 
4:43 PM
You asked the duck, didn't you?
Fox asks duck. Achievement unlocked.
 
The duck?
No...I changed "true" to "null".
I was being dense.
 
Yes. Yes I did.
Thank you for teaching me about the duck.
Now I have a sprint planning meeting to conduct.
 
5:42 PM
May be its better to ask at programmers.stackexchange.comsabithpocker 8 secs ago
 
@gnat why is asking for the explanation of the use of a keyword off-topic here?
 
Too trivial?
That's a (bad) SO question.
 
I don't really know, its not a language I'm familiar with. But I've asked and used questions of the nature of "Why is X used in Y scenario" many times
usually it's about C# though, or once upon a time it used to be SQL
The easiest example that comes to mind is trying to figure out why you'd run Sql Queries WITH (NOLOCK), like this question
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Q: SQL Server - when should you use "with (nolock)"

Andy WhiteCan someone explain the implications of using with (nolock) on queries, when you should/shouldn't use it? For example, if you have a banking application with high transaction rates and a lot of data in certain tables, in what types of queries would nolock be okay? Are there cases when you shoul...

 
5:59 PM
"What does <a keyword> do?" is on-topic for SO, but off-topic for Programmers. Perhaps it could be made on-topic by rewriting the question to be "When should I use <keyword>?" assuming the answer is non-trivial. If the answer is trivial ("Hey, when should I use the keyword if?") - it could still be migrated to SO, but it is off-topic here.
Programmers is more interested in questions on conceptual/why than nuts-and-bolts/what & how.
 
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A: How to ask "how to understand some code" questions

user40980Often these questions are closed. In days of old they would have been closed as "not a real question" or "too localized." The reasoning behind this is that there isn't really anything that one can answer definitively and draws upon our expert knowledge as a programmer. Furthermore, there are an...

topicality is irrelevant in this case
 
Closed. It's a stack overflow question, except not answerable there because it needs to at least be tagged with the environment
It's not really a "Why is X used in Y scenario" question. It appears to be more of a "what the heck does X do!?" question.
 
We really need some kind of yardstick with "Must be this tall to ride" sign on it.
 
@StevenBurnap if written right, such questions would probably be okay at either of SO / Programmers. This particular case isn't. Neither here, nor at SO...
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Q: How to deal with questions of the type "I don't understand how this code works"?

Chthonic ProjectQuite often, especially with the tag 'java', I have come across questions that contain a code snippet followed by "How does this code work?" or "What is this code doing?" or sometimes even an implicit query stated as "I don't understand what this code is doing." How should such questions be deal...

 
I mean, what kind of on-topic question can we answer by someone who's never programmed a day in their life?
 
6:19 PM
@StevenBurnap the tag [mainframe] is the language...
 
um
That's a bit...generic...
 
If you search for "mainframe REMOVECC" you get lots of resources
But that's like saying if you search for "sql NOLOCK' there's lots of resources
it's not quite the same as asking "what is the purpose of this bit of code here"
I'm not going to argue to keep that question open though, but I just wanted to point out it wasn't really a "pain and suffering" question... it seemed like it would be borderline on-topic if phrased correctly
 
It's -7 already. Let's just delete it and/or forget about it (and hope it never pops up on the front page again).
 
Correct tag is probably "JCL". IBM would love you to think that's equivalent to "mainframe". :-P Maybe it is these days...I think only IBM makes them these days
 
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A: Reviewing some awful questions is just a waste of time, can we have a "no comment" close reason for these?

Robert HarveyToo Broad is absolutely the correct close reason for "lacks a minimal understanding of the problem." Here's why: ME: Click the right mouse button. NOOB: What's a mouse? How much text do you suppose it will take to explain things now?

 
6:36 PM
@gnat The goal of the close reason is to educate users about what is wrong with the question so they know what they should or should not ask in the future.... removing a close reason entirely is a very poor idea in my opinion
 
Anyhow, I agree - "too broad" works as a synonym for "lacks minimal understanding".
 
@Rachel I think you overestimate power of close reasons. These tend to cover typical / generic / easy cases. After all, primary purpose of closing is not to educate but prevent piling garbage answers (which would decrease content quality and make SE less appealing for search engines. Blocking answers gives more room for those willing to further educate asker (in comments or chat) but that's more of useful side effect
 
I would think that if someone really believed that question should be salvaged, they would have rewritten it to be on-topic, instead of making tenuous arguments about its merits in here.
 
@AaronHall I'm personally just sick of fighting for keeping questions open.. its such a pain in the ass on this site, and everyone seems to prefer to leave things closed
 
Well I seriously don't think we're going to do it for you.
 
6:46 PM
@gnat I guess that's where I have a different opinion. The primary purpose of close reasons to me is to educate the users, since the users are the ones that maintain the site. The point of closures in general is to control site quality, however the purpose of the close reason is to educate
@AaronHall I'm not trying to say it should be reopened in its current state anyways, just that that style of question is not one that should be automatically closed. That type of question can be a good one
 
We're a community of answerers with high standards. Arguing with us about our culture isn't going to change us - instead it's likely to lead to reaction formation and make our resolve even firmer.
 
Side note, what's a good data structure to store a Dictionary<key, Dictionary<subKey, value>> in C#?
I feel there must be a better way...
 
@Rachel facts seems to be against your POW I'm afraid. If education would be primary purpose, we wouldn't block answers. Answer are by definition better to educate. When we limit response solely to comments / chat this means we aren't primarily focused on education
 
@gnat depends on what you're trying to educate about. We don't want to educate the world about everything, but we do want to educate the voting community on these sites on what is acceptable vs what should be closed
 
I'm no C#er but you might use dict(key=obj) where obj.attr = value
My strategic recommendation would be to stop using C#.
:P
 
6:52 PM
haha I have a case where I want to cache items by both primaryType and subType... so we might have ABC where A is primary type, B is subType, and C is value.... C is determined by a combination of both A and B
 
I usually just nest the dictionaries and be done with it.
I've occasionally bundled that into a type, but it's usually not worth it.
 
Yeah, I think that's what I"m seeing online as the best idea, even if it isn't very clear in code what's going on at first
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Q: Is there a benefit to Tuple-based or Nested Dictionaries?

Raven DreamerI've been looking for a way to store and retrieve values on more than the single key that C#'s generic Dictionary class provides. Searching around the web (and on SO itself) has shown me a couple options: Tuple Based Dictionaries .NET 4.0 makes it easy to support a generic Tuple<,> class. This...

Sadly, I don't have access to Tuple since I'm on 3.5...
 
are tuples value types? I thought they weren't...
 
No idea, but that lead me to searching for CompositeKey dictionaries, which is returning me more results. I think for 3.5, it's suggested to just use nested dictionaries and be done with it
 
According to Bob Martin, C# is just Microsoft's Java.
 
6:56 PM
looks like they're reference types with overloaded equals and hashcode, so would work in dictionaries.
it used to be Microsoft's Java.
 
C# doesn't have multiple inheritance because Java doesn't. - Bob
I guess that makes F# their Scala?
:D
I agree with @MetaFight and if you want to answer questions like this, you should at least make an effort to salvage the question - improve it at least such that your effort answering it does not go unrewarded when it gets deleted. — Aaron Hall 10 secs ago
disrewarded?
 
7:47 PM
Bad questions do not have to be cast into the abyss of deleted crap, but if we're not going to salvage them, the sooner, the better, amiright?
 
 
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9:29 PM
@AaronHall right. If you are too slow, question can be deleted - by moderator, by 10Kers, by Roomba scripts - and there will be nothing to salvage. If you edit later than 5 days after close, it won't be automatically pushed to reopen queue. I can't advise to hurry because solid improvement often takes time but you better don't let question lay down untouched for several days if you feel like it can be salvaged
 
9:39 PM
aww, I missed a topicality debate
 
Well my thesis for improvement is multiple marginal improvements, not a single fix.
 
that looks so different and new compared to the last fifty topicality debates I was in where nobody succeeded at changing anyone's mind
 
</sarcasm>
:D
 
also </angst>
but I think seeing Captain America: Civil War was a better use of my time
 
Just don't rage-quite like the others, k?
 
9:43 PM
I'm not planning on it, can't guarantee anything
if the gods decide to change our name to ToiletBowl.SE there won't be much I can do
 
lol like that's going to happen...
reading the gcc man page...
 
good luck not ragequitting that
 
looking for everything relevant to make
51% through it, found the -M flag...
woot, I might repcap on SO today!
I didn't even expect to.
 
10:26 PM
went hunting for an easy answer on the recent questions to get over the hump! :D
 

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