I'm not paying close attention so I have quite a few votes left

I might have one or two left

@WorldEngineer programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/288341/…

I've still got a few, pew pew

Omg I have 4 left

@MichaelT it would refund 5 for me

I wonder if I accidentally found a way for my wife to get a job when we move in December without trying...

@GlenH7 someone who is in communications at my company sent me some info about running stuff, so I'm going to chat with them since we're about 99% going to move in December and it'd be really convenient if my wife was able to just have a job with my company then, lol

I figured I'd ask about what that team does since... why not?

Save lots of hassle potentially, I know my company hires people way in advance, etc

@GlenH7 no kidding

@Ixrec Do you think this question is on topic: programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/283705/…

if you remove the uses of the word "legal", then parts of it are okay, but it is asking several different questions (including a few that are off-topic)

I probably tried to answer what I felt was the "core" question(s?)

actually, now that I look at it harder, I think every paragraph (maybe every sentence) requires a different answer, correction or CV

I have now VTC'd it as too broad

@Ixrec I think it's off topic too but you answered it pretty recently and I ended up VTCing worse things

I'll probably snag it in the CV queue tomorrow

I'm not sure if I agree with off-topic but it's definitely too many questions in a question

not that it really matters

Anyone have advice for how to do agile / scrum if your two developers are working on totally different parts of the code

and you only have two developers

(I'm working on the production server code, mostly, the new guy is working on the historical simulator, specifically, the exchange side that manages the exchange's working orders, fills, etc.)

I don't know

what's the current methodology and/or problem with it?

the current methodology is that i work on whatever i feel like and there's no system

i have a youtrack server that i don't use

every time i've tried to get organized with my boss, he doesn't understand half of what i'm talking about and it's just frustrating

I'm trying to add organization to the development process.

kanban would work better, try trello

I have a kanban board on my youtrack server

that I also don't use

trello is bad because i can't have a local installation

my boss is adamant it's locally hosted. trust me, i tried to go trello about a year ago

wait, you want a piece of software to help track the work that two different developers are doing, and only local installations of it are allowed?

@Ixrec My youtrack is on a webserver that's got a DNS entry in the office network

If you want to look at it from home, you just have to VPN in

Goals:

I want to make sure everyone is working on the right things all the time

I want to make sure we communicate to each other if we have a problem

I want to make sure that we track things that get done

I want to make sure that we don't forget to fix things that get pushed back a week or three

I'm gonna have to agree with the "use kanban" crowd on that one

@GlenH7 We could use Wunderlist for all I care

Honestly Wunderlist worked better for me than Youtrack ever did

nods at kanban that solves 3 of the 4 requirements

When I was using Wunderlist as my organization method I actually used it

Youtrack is too complicated, trying to set up sprints to match the kanban board

you can use post-its if you want

Maybe I'm doing it wrong, though.

it sounds like you're answering your own question

@Ixrec Rubber Duck workflow design

@GlenH7 that's what I thought too

post-it notes are fine if everyone spends much of the working day in the same physical room, or your whiteboard has a webcam, otherwise I'd prefer a real bug tracker/ticketing system

jetbrains.com/youtrack/features/agile_project_management.html

You know what, I'm going to back off on having a sprint planning meeting tomorrow. I'm going to research this more and figure out the right solution that meets our needs

hahahah @AshleyNunn

Rather than "oh, here's some methodology that some other team used" that isn't us

sprint planning is probably overkill with only two people anyway

So when you recommend kanban, what exactly do you suggest we do?

kanban /r/explainlikeimfive

what I had in mind was get some kind of software (we use Jira) that lets you enter tickets into an ordered backlog, give them descriptions/priorities/types/assignees/estimates/etc, and makes it easy for people to mark each one as completed when it gets finished

and the hard part: make all bugs/features go through this system (unless it literally only takes five seconds to do)

@Ixrec What do you think youtrack is?

I'm not switching to JIRA.

Youtrack is the same thing.

@durron597 you asked me what I meant by kanban, that's what I meant

I've never used youtrack so I have no idea why it's not working for you

though given my experience with Jira I'm biased to assumed it's more Youtrack's fault than yours

@Ixrec It's really hard to bother when I'm usually putting out fires

If the only person reporting cases is me and the only person solving cases is me why bother

because every time you find a case while you're in the middle of solving another one, information is guaranteed to get lost

though for that use case post-it notes may suffice

if KTLO really is the majority of your work then all of this agile methodology stuff is probably irrelevant; ideally you need to figure out why there's so much KTLO and how to change that situation

Hm

I think sprints are actually the problem, then.

It should just be "what in the backlog is going to make it into the next build"

sprints are certainly pointless if you don't have a formal backlog of tickets somewhere

You want to know you your team is doing, if there are problems and never forget issues. When I say Kanban is: I'd create the list of issues I mean tasks, bugs, features, anything, create status, Like TODO, Working, Blocked, Finished. Arrange the task list within a board with the status columns. Maintain status according.

Write on the post-it who is doing the task and whatever you feel it would be nice to have there. Like. Blocked by #1324, Finished at 01/01/2012, Released on version 1.23.45a, Have a "meeting" with the team to assert the board is up to date. That is kinda kanbanish

@MichaelT hahahahahahaha

right

Well, @MichaelT just summed it up

everything else is correct though

I guess we might have a problem with that

though we are doing scrum for most of our work (or at least kanban with sprints, not sure what the other differences are)

It's a week of work

Kanban give you the overview of the "production", you just need to maintain it. That takes discipline.

nods

the real productivity gains show up when the business guy telling you what to work on spends their time maintaining/prioritizing your backlog instead of personally telling you what to work on all the time

I feel like the half-done thing would be prevented by the whole feature branch then code review before merging to master thing, even if we weren't agile

though it certainly helps

Quality gate within the CI pipeline helps too.

Just told my boss I am nuking sprints

he agreed! woot.

Cool :)

He has this pet idea of "quarterly goals" i said "what i want you to do is every quarter, we sit down and talk about what we can get done in a quarter, but I'm going to break down my work by builds"

I dislike kanban.

If I have a hot fix where I need to release a new build in one day, i'll organize by what gets done in that one build

If I have a longer term feature add that means no new build for three weeks, then that's how long it takes

it contributed highly to siloing the place where I used it.

We're also going to have a daily scrum "check-in" but that's fine too

Well, worse, people just worked on their stuff and never talked to one another. Never needed to collaborate or make the code cohesive.

Heh, yes, though less obviously catastrophic things too.

Yeah, a daily "stand-up" + kanban seems like it's something i'll actually use

And leaving the "boss" in charge of quarterly goals

Because, I don't know about you, I can't plan software 3 months in advance.

@GlenH7 And my boss is a business guy, not a technical guy. Perfect!

@GlenH7 Exactly

@MichaelT See, the thing is, most of the literature is on how to organize huge teams

We've got two developers who are on largely different teams right now

relevant

I don't agree with either of the two answers.

Heh, I agree with you in the question, though.

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@durron597 ther'es a reason I didn't accept either...

Doing a "here are all the things that are going to make it into the next release" system works for project I'm improving

How can I adapt it to work for the new guy, who's project won't "work" for weeks?

Surely his builds aren't going to be the same as my builds.

lol vote counts on answers here are hilarious workplace.stackexchange.com/q/49037/2322

5, 0, -3, -6

Does it make sense to do an internal "release" before all the basic components are finished?

@enderland You should NAA the -3 one

@durron597 I avoid moderating questions that I have an answer on (except obvious stuff)

@enderland That's not an obvious NAA?

Was this migrated from Programmers? All the answerers are like a programmers who's who

@durron597 people have feelings (it looks bad if someone is a moderator and deletes another answer which is opposing)

@enderland Not everyone is an android like me?

Hahahah

@durron597 oh my, that is a real crowdfundy thing

@Ampt what have you done???

@durron597 "the guy who caused default"

@durron597 the greek bailout fund campaign is experiencing some issues eh? Didn't see that coming.....

@durron597 Greece just can't get a break.

@enderland [Looks for questions that @enderland has answered so that I can participate with impunity]

@psr I think you have it just backwards, broke is all Greece can get.

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@Snowman if everyone in Greece went out and burned every dollar they had tomorrow, it would still be more stable than Afghanistan has probably ever been.