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12:15 AM
@Telastyn is decorating things with try/catch not a behaviour? Or a decoration that sent inputs/outputs to a trace logger?
@Telastyn perhaps my perspective is colored by how little time I've spent doing work in unsafe languages, may bother me more if it was my main language for any consistent period
 
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@JimmyHoffa very few languages in my experience have anything approaching truly rigorous type safety
 
1:07 AM
@JimmyHoffa - it is, but you're not doing that. You're decorating the data. (In .NET) that strikes me as vile. Decorate the Func. After all, the Func is the interfaces you take and return. By taking a T and returning not a T, you're no longer decorating.
because as soon as you're working with not a T, some other code needs to know/care about not-a-T's, and (in .NET) code shouldn't care about types at runtime.
 
 
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2:54 AM
Hmm... lab grown meat is down to $80/kilo.
 
user15026
@MichaelT Yum?
 
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user15026
@MichaelT It kinda looks like food?
 
user55340
Yep. And its also something that a vegan could eat.
 
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3:00 AM
In theory.
 
user55340
They could also knock out Neu5Gc which would make it a bit healthier to eat too.
 
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N-Glycolylneuraminic acid (Neu5Gc) is a sialic acid molecule found in most mammals. Humans cannot synthesize Neu5Gc because the human gene CMAH is irreversibly mutated, though it is found in apes. It is absent in human tissues because of inactivation of gene encoding CMP-N-acetylneuraminic acid hydroxylase. The gene CMAH encodes for CMP-N-acetylneuraminic acid hydroxylase, which is the enzyme responsible for CMP-Neu5Gc from CMP-N-acetylneuraminic (CMP-Neu5Ac) acid. This loss of the CMAH was estimated to have occurred two to three millions of years ago, which occurred just before the emergence of...
 
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@MichaelT makes an over her head gesture
 
user55340
@AshleyNunn There is a sugar in the meat of mammals. The ability for humans to metabolize that sugar was lost about 2-3 million years ago. Now, it causes an inflammation response - and that can be tied to an elevated risk of cancer.
 
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3:08 AM
@MichaelT that is bad news.
 
user20683
which explains why eating birds/fish is not as risky
 
user55340
It is possible to genetically engineer things to not have a particular sugar or protein in them. If they removed that sugar from the cultures of the lab-meat, that would be safe to eat.
 
user20683
also why eating hunks of beef before bed might be bad
 
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user20683
@MichaelT glad to have that issue put to bed
 
user15026
3:09 AM
@WorldEngineer I am going to bed. Right now. :)
 
user15026
grumbles
 
user15026
@MichaelT That's kinda cool as a thing. :)
 
user55340
(btw, the hypoalorgenic cats are similarly genetically engineered)
 
user15026
@MichaelT I always wondered how that worked.
 
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Most human cat allergies are caused by Fel d 1. Allerca (and earlier, Geneticas) scientists tried to delete or disable the gene. The company now says it has "discovered" a breed of cats that had a mutant version of the protein that did not induce an allergic response. Since a number of Fel d 1 alleles are known and documented whereas it is presently impossible to deduce allergenicity from their DNA or protein sequence alone, the alleged mutant cats could in fact exist, but their hypoallergenicity cannot be considered proven for the time being.
 
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3:09 AM
@MichaelT she's mainlined some camomile, she may crash on you suddenly
 
user15026
@MichaelT Huh, niifty/
 
user20683
just fyi
 
user15026
Science is awesome.
 
user15026
And scary.
 
user55340
Fel d 1 is a protein that in cats is encoded by the CH1 (chain 1/Fel d 1-A) and CH2 (chain 2/Fel d 1-B) genes. Fel d 1, produced largely in cat saliva and sebaceous glands, is the primary allergen present on cats and kittens. Fel d 1 is also produced by cat skin itself. The protein is of an unknown function to the animal but causes an IgG or IgE reaction in sensitive humans (either as an allergic or asthmatic response). Removal of soft surfaces in the home (carpet, furniture), frequent washings of bed linens, HEPA filters and even washing cats has been proven to reduce the amounts of Fel d 1 present...
 
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3:11 AM
The lab-meat still wouldn't be a steak... looks more like ground beef. And it would be cheaper than Kobe beef even at current prices (or that Graze burger that was so delicious)
 
user15026
I've heard a lot of people say they aren't allergic to their own pets, just other people's. Now I am wondering if there is science behind that or not.
 
user15026
@MichaelT I wanna try that burger SO BAD. :)
 
user15026
@MichaelT okay, this is pretty great
 
user55340
Part of the reason why there is such a market for local honey.
 
user55340
3:13 AM
Especially in cities.
 
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Urban beekeeping is the practice of keeping bee colonies in urban areas. It may also be referred to as hobby beekeeping or backyard beekeeping. Bees from urban apiaries are often reported to be healthier than their rural counterparts, a pattern that is often attributed to cities' having higher floral diversity and lower pesticide prevalence than rural-agricultural landscapes. This pattern remains anecdotal, though, and a recent empirical study of honey bee success patterns in Ohio, USA, found a weakly negative relationship between urban land cover and colony success among apiaries characterized...
 
user20683
Atlanta...
 
user20683
oh Atlanta...
 
user15026
One of the universities nearish me has a apiary where they do all kinds of bee science and sell the honey.
 
user15026
apiary, is that the word for bees?
 
user20683
3:14 AM
You planted all male trees for the Olympics so that they wouldn't need to pay for fruit clean up...
 
user55340
Noun: apiary (plural apiaries)
  1. A place where bees and their hives are kept.
 
user20683
instead we pay for allergy medication (well others do, I just suffer through a sore throat for a like a week or two)
 
user15026
@MichaelT gives herself ten points I am proud for remembering that while tired.
 
user55340
(and my cat is telling me its time to go to bed)
 
user20683
her cat should be but he is bad at things
 
user15026
3:16 AM
@WorldEngineer We have a local group that will pick any fruit off of any trees/bushes wherever (either you call them or they ask through various community things) and they donate a third to food banks and the like, share a third among each other, and give a third to whoever owns the land (if they want it)
 
4:02 AM
This is probably better suited for Programmers. — Carcigenicate 48 secs ago
 
4:59 AM
Speaking of lab-grown / artificial / imitation foodstuff, people who care about "the real deal" will always choose whatever they deem to be proper, and will pay a premium for that. This is unfortunately the driving force behind certain kinds of e.g. overfishing, etc.
However, in a lot of cases, there are products and consumers who are indifferent with regard to a certain ingredient. For example - do you care whether cookies contain eggs? Probably not. Therefore, as soon as an egg-free substitute as a cookies ingredient exists, and its cost is favorable on an industrial scale, from that point on "industrial" cookies will turn egg-free. Industrial food products contain a lot of indifferent ingredients that could one day be substituted away.
On the disgusting side, "pink meat" is an example of such substitution - because customers initially didn't know, or didn't care whether burgers are manufactured from ground whole pieces of meat.
Two major reasons of substitutions are: cost, and removal of allergens.
 
5:18 AM
Hell, @rwong
I mean hello. :-)
 
5:34 AM
Welcome to facebook :p
 
6:13 AM
Thanks. :) Do you know anything about databases? :)
 
6:28 AM
Question: should this question be migrated to Code Review beta ? stackoverflow.com/questions/29326148/…
@Shortstuff81000 I don't! (shocking, isn't it?)
 
6:47 AM
hi
 
7:44 AM
This is more appropriate at programmers. — Gert Arnold 47 secs ago
 
 
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10:12 AM
This is probably a better fit for ProgrammersSE. That said, I think the best workflow is to create a setup.py and use python setup.py develop to install the package, which will ensure that any edits you make are reflected when the package is imported. — jonrsharpe 1 min ago
 
 
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1:33 PM
posted on March 29, 2015

The Next Stage of Staging, by Jun Inoue, Oleg Kiselyov, Yukiyoshi Kameyama: This position paper argues for type-level metaprogramming, wherein types and type declarations are generated in addition to program terms. Term-level metaprogramming, which allows manipulating expressions only, has been extensively studied in the form of staging, which ensures static type safety with a clean semantics

 
that's a terrible paper.
the conclusion is basically: "wouldn't it be cool if we could do stuff like this?"
without even an example implementation.
 
 
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2:42 PM
@rwong the cost aspect there - the cattle industry is dapperly reasonably worried about it. The combination of reduction of methane production, water use... those will be driving factors for this in the near future. The substitution (or knock out) to remove inflammation response for red meat may also be a strong motivator. At cost and perceived quality parity, I'd eat lab grown.
 
4:23 PM
@rwong Is this the reason Carl's has pseudo-naked, big boob models carrying around supposedly "natural" hamburgers?
 
 
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6:11 PM
 
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6:27 PM
@MichaelT that's neat! I got one higher than you... kinda surprising
I guess there are enough east/west coast cities I have NO clue on size for
 
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I was like "Cincinnati or Memphis?" ummm...
 
I feel like the state one is even harder
though 54/63? felt harder
I think the first round on states was harder
 
7:24 PM
@RobertHarvey I'll retract - it turns out most people don't have the technical know-how to find out if they're eating "the real deal" or Martian mystery meat. All consumers in the United States rely on the FTC's federal power called "truth in advertising"‌​. The bigger the retail chain, the badder the injunction. However, without the help of high-stakes whistle-blowers, FTC normally can't reach into "private parts" of the industry.
To what extent is human appetite for meat driven by hormone? Imagine a hormone therapy that turns humans into vegetative ... hm, vegetitanic ... vegebond .. (right click - ask Google for suggestions)
 
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7:51 PM
@rwong vegemite.
 
8:04 PM
@rwong I like the way you worked "private parts" into your reply. As to "truth in advertising," Carl's doesn't sell a burger anywhere as big as the one she's holding in the commercial, though maybe people already know that.
I ate one about a month ago, not because of the skinny model commercial, but because of another one that focused on the "natural" nature of the meat. It was a fairly typical burger for Carl's; nothing special (the local greasy spoons make a better one).
 
 
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9:58 PM
Welcome to Stack Overflow!. Unfortunately, this type of question is not what this site is for. It will likely be closed soon. However, feel free to seek advice in programmers.stackexchange.com. — Mark Thomas 1 min ago
 
10:14 PM
Please note that questions like "what should I learn next" are explicitly off-topic at programmers.stackexchange.com. See programmers.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic. This question will be closed almost immediately if posted there. — Steven Burnap 16 secs ago
 
10:39 PM
Hello!! Has someone an idea for the following??
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Q: Properties of the Knapsack versions

Mary StarThere are two versions of the Knapsack problem, the integer and the fractional one. The difference between the integer and the fractional version of the Knapsack problem is the following: At the integer version we want to pick each item either fully or we don't pick it. At the fractional versio...

 
@MaryStar Avoid the use of "EDIT" in your questions; it makes us think that you believe this is a forum.
It's not.
Also, do you have a TA or professor you can talk to? Stack Exchange is not the best place to get homework help.
There are many reasons... Questions in a classroom tend to be contrived... Stack Overflow is ruthlessly pragmatic.
Also, questions like this tend to be too broad.
All that said, chat is probably your best bet for getting answers.
Good luck.
 

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