The Whiteboard

user20683

12:01 AM

yeah not even close to that

user20683

but still, I can stream stuff pretty solidly and skype at the same time

user20683

Would I love Google Fiber in ridiculous and unmentionable ways? Sure. But I can do without.

Shahar

I feel like downloading a book to help me pass the time

but that will slow the download down

but at the same time

if I don't keep myself occupied, it will seem as if the download is really slow

user20683

@Shahar A book wouldn't take much time

Shahar

@WorldEngineer Oh trust me, it does

user20683

12:04 AM

O_o. Plain text shouldn't take much time even on dial up

Shahar

but the thing is

the books I want to download are images

photocopied stuff

Yeah Google Spy isn't loading the PDF so it must be heavy

Hallelujah 1/7 done

Ampt

12:39 AM

What speed internet do you have?

like 512 kilobit?

jesus it's been so long that I dealt with kilobytes that I forgot how to spell it

Shahar

4 hours 50 minutes

finished 542 MB out of 2.18 GB

yay

Ampt

what's the advertised speed?

of your internet?

Shahar

advertised speed ?

doesn't say on the website actually

oh

.5 to 1 Mbps Download

user20683

speedtest.net

user20683

Mine is 3.5 but I've seen it go as high as 5 on a really good day and as low as .5 on a really bad one

Shahar

12:51 AM

oh let me check

this speedtest is taking forever, better not slow my download

What am I supposed to do?

just click on a random location?

user20683

closest one to you ideally

Shahar

Okay that's what I did

I got

0.14 mps download

Ampt

@Shahar that may be your problem

Shahar

0.2 upload

"Slower than 98% of US" fuck

Grade: F-

Ampt

Yeah... the minimum speed for my provider is 60Mbps

user20683

12:56 AM

.14 mps is 17.5 kbps...that's dial up level speeds

user41796

FWIW, I killed off the all caps question of the day. Ironically, it was in the reopen review queue.

Ampt

@GlenH7 You probably failed the audit then.

@WorldEngineer slower even. 56k modems were totally a thing

I played starcraft on one hahaha

user20683

@Ampt I had 14.4 in high school

user20683

but I'm nearly a third of your life older than you

Shahar

Guys, hold your orgasms

user20683

12:58 AM

I've never seen an upload faster than download

Ampt

ok that would explain the 14.4 in highschool

user41796

You youngins....

Ampt

I didn't think you were that much older than me :)

user20683

DSL was the new hotness back then

user41796

I've worked with 2400 baud modems

user20683

12:59 AM

@Ampt I'm really not

Ampt

Glen on the otherhand. I figured he was getting his internet by carrier pigeon

user41796

but that wasn't for very long; bumped to 9600 and 14.4 shortly after that.

user20683

@Ampt nah, they had ravens by then

Shahar

Oh what

user41796

I predate common access to the Internet, yes. I know what a BBS is and used them a lot.

Shahar

1:01 AM

^So do I

in Israel at least

user20683

@GlenH7 I likewise predate it. I was 8 when the internet was invented

Shahar

lol

Ampt

I never remember life without the internet

user41796

@WorldEngineer I was dodging that one because you can make various arguments regarding darpanet and whatnot

Shahar

@Ampt I remember a life without TV

user20683

1:02 AM

@GlenH7 TBL internet

user41796

I was on the internet before AOL ruined it, how's that?

Shahar

I didn't have cables till I was 10ish

user20683

Doctor Who in 4 days :D

user41796

I'd really like to start watching the new Dr. Who series.

user41796

Watched a lot of the original, and timing just never worked for watching the new one.

user20683

1:05 AM

The new one is a different flavor to be sure

user20683

tries a little too hard to be "cool" sometimes

user41796

Most I know who have seen both have liked both. So I figured I ought to give the new one a whirl.

user41796

But I have those time & space problems.

Ampt

@WorldEngineer but... bow ties.....

user20683

@GlenH7 It's a good show to watch with the 8+ kid set

user20683

1:07 AM

@Ampt Are not that cool compared to ascots and cravats.

user41796

Hadn't thought of that; that's a good idea

user20683

@GlenH7 Blink is one of those priceless episodes that will mentally scar kids in the best way possible

user41796

They've had enough scarring lately

user20683

ah

user41796

Too much crap that went on this year.

user41796

1:12 AM

That pretty well sums it up. And not in a good way. :-)

user20683

my condolences

enderland

:(

user41796

Thanks. The good news is that the rest of this year is looking a lot quieter.

user41796

@enderland - congrats on being able to see deleted history now. :-)

enderland

@GlenH7 yeah. I can follow conversations here now!

user20683

1:13 AM

@enderland You sure about that?

user41796

I wonder if other chat rooms rely as heavily on deleted comments as we do

enderland

@GlenH7 the bridge does, though theirs are deleted from flags, so not sure if that's the same thing

user41796

enderland

@WorldEngineer I'm trying to decide if this is a trick question ;)

user41796

In here? It almost always is.

user41796

1:16 AM

I think trolls have a hard time on Progs because we have a high concentration of very active sophists.

user20683

@GlenH7 We have a set of active, engaged Grognards.

user41796

Keeps it interesting, right?

user20683

@GlenH7 yes and grumbly too.

user41796

Can't have everything... :-)

user20683

user41796

1:20 AM

And I licked it

user41796

Current pup is a very licky dog.

user20683

@GlenH7 I'm more a cat and guinea pig person

user20683

also fish

user41796

Just started an aquarium back up

user20683

One week till the GF is back in town

user41796

1:21 AM

Mixture of tetras & dainos (sp?) as well as several live plants

enderland

Someday I want to have an inwall aquarium in my DIY theater

@GlenH7 ahhh, those are good

user20683

I think @ashleynunn likes fish

user41796

Isn't she obligated to like all pets as a Pets mod?

user20683

@GlenH7 I believe she quit that position

user20683

she's a Gaming mod only now I think

user41796

1:23 AM

Just looked at her profile and you're correct

user41796

only 1 diamond, not 2

user41796

I know I'm whining, but I'm disinclined to do much this evening. 6 hours of driving for 3 hours of client meetings leaves me a bit nonplussed.

user41796

Granted, the meetings were valuable. But the drive was fairly boring this time.

Shahar

6 hours of driving

Do you really expect it to be fun?

user41796

It can be

user20683

1:25 AM

I worked for 10 hours during student rush and walked around 20 miles and probably lifted about 300 lbs

user41796

Once did ~13 hours in one day. Out and back from Phoenix to Malibu, CA.

Shahar

Worst I did

user41796

@WorldEngineer you win

Shahar

was 3 hours in a row

user41796

@Shahar I'm staring dumbfounded at the screen.

user41796

1:27 AM

That was each leg of my trek today

Shahar

I don't have to drive anywhere, really

user41796

Understandable

user20683

I don't drive unless it's family visiting

user41796

I'm out in the midwest, and things are definitely more spread out

enderland

midwest ftw

Shahar

1:28 AM

Oh yeah^ Northeast is the opposite

New York/Jersey

user20683

If it's less horrifyingly hot I might consider it

user41796

My real complaint is I had to drive a rental instead of my regular car. I've got a great sound system in my car and the rental one just sucked.

user20683

Atlanta

user41796

Midwest is generally a lot less humid than Atlanta. So yes, less hot from that point of view

Shahar

Alright it doesn't seem like my download will end anytime soon

I will probably pause it and continue tomorrow, but it sucks that they have no patches

user41796

1:30 AM

@Shahar Maybe time to scout around and find a faster connection?

Shahar

For $19.99/mo

I got what I paid for

user41796

Places offering free wifi often size for multiple users at a time. Find a free wifi during an off hour and it may be faster

Shahar

I did that once, went to Starbucks to download some game

Ampt

@Shahar 20 bucks a month only gets you a half a meg?!

Shahar

0.14 mb/s to be exact^

I'll switch to Optimum once my negotiations get through to them

Ampt

1:34 AM

@enderland QUIT ABUSING ME!

Oh Enderland, it's just you.

I saw the blue and didn't know what was happening

user41796

Aug 11 at 20:30, by Ampt

#include <modabuse.h>

enderland

what is this i dont even

user41796

Just kick him and be done with it.

enderland

Ha

user20683

@Ampt 8th Dimension. We're the lectroid versions of the people you know.

user41796

1:41 AM

@Ampt Duh

user41796

Seriously. And would you get the eff off of it already?!

user20683

@Ampt This one doesn't shut up about his mountain

user41796

Slow down there. I've drunk enough PBR in my day that I never have to again.

Jimmy Hoffa

→ 6 messages moved to What is this junk? Flush.

user41796

Wait, WUT? Room owners can move messages now?

Ampt

1:45 AM

Only crabby ones. Sounds like @JimmyHoffa hasn't had his PBR yet

OTOH Now this entire conversation makes no sense which is even more hilarious

user41796

@JimmyHoffa How did you do that?

user20683

@GlenH7 Room owners can move messages

user20683

→ 1 message moved to example

user20683

you go to the room menu and select the bottom option

user41796

Ugh. Doesn't play nicely on the mac when you want to click select several separate messages

user41796

1:50 AM

→ 5 messages moved to What is this junk? Flush.

user41796

→ 1 message moved to What is this junk? Flush.

user41796

Oh, I love how this is prone to abuse.

user20683

indeed

user20683

don't do that

user20683

I will take action

user41796

1:52 AM

@WorldEngineer What if I scripted a bot to move all conversations about monads to another room? That's not abuse, that's using the tools the way they were intended, right?

user20683

@GlenH7 -.-

Ampt

alternatively, you could just kick @JimmyHoffa to his own room

I think the effect is more or less the same

enderland

@GlenH7 feature not a bug?

user41796

@Ampt room owners can remove other room owners. However, we have a pretty decent triumvirate with our current owners if I do say so myself.

user41796

@enderland someone's with me!

Ampt

1:55 AM

Hey, this is a great way to get rid of stuff you never want to see again. Ship it to a new room and delete it

it's like my last 45 minutes on here never happened!

enderland

hmmm I think there are more pleasant ways to cause that

like... sleep

Ampt

All the consequences of staying up with none of the benefits?

user41796

Apparently Vermont is the closest to representing the median for purchasing power in the US

user41796

Oregon and Florida are close behind Vermont though.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 I'm surprised how few are below a hundred outside of the northeast

4 states if you count virginia as not the northeast

user41796

2:09 AM

@JimmyHoffa It's kind of a crazy distribution, to be honest.

enderland

2:55 AM

@GlenH7 that's a sweet article

doesn't really include taxes though, so I guess it's a bit misleading

gnat

6:28 AM

5

A: Impose a 24 hour voting freeze on questions being discussed on Meta

The argument for locking voting sounds remarkably like the complaints smaller sites have had about hordes of SO users coming in and voting on hot questions because of the extra attention that they have received. During several questions and issues on old MSO and current MSE it was expressed that...

gnat

6:48 AM

Is this really something that matters on SO? — ben is uǝq backwards Feb 10 at 20:26

gnat

7:48 AM

this ode to indiscriminate voting (mostly coming from SO users?) sounds particularly funny in the light of recent whining of these very SO users about Meta Effect voting. Funny how they seem to change their mind to opposite when things turn out to impact SO instead of smaller sites "Meta effect is actively detrimental" wow. Let's lock everything, it hurts (when it's at SO)! — gnat 1 min ago

ratchet freak

9:45 AM

@JimmyHoffa someone is doubting functional programming go correct him

tigrou

12:51 PM

Hi. I have an issue creating a question here. I created a new account on "programmers" today, then posted a question and realize the account was created with the wrong email :(. So i quickly deleted question and account (this is ok) . I trying to repost question now, but i got error message : This post appears to be a duplicate of "xxx xxx xxx". What can i do ?

Shuold i ask this in meta?

Ampt

1:08 PM

Try changing the title so that it's not identical?

Sounds like a bug though

tigrou

original question lead to a 404

ratchet freak

what's the url?

Ampt

10k users can see the question

you know that may be why its erroring out, if he title is the exact same, so would the URL

tigrou

Here is url : programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/253879

Ampt

maybe a bug but not one easily fixed

ratchet freak

1:11 PM

aka it means that the old question remains in the DB

Ampt

Try reworking the title

tigrou

@Ampt : an id is included in url so it should not be a problem

Ampt

@tigrou Humor me?

ratchet freak

Ampt

Try to reword the title and see if that does it

deleted questions aren't actually deleted

they're more hidden than anything

Oded

1:16 PM

You could have left the question and account alone, asking for your other account to be merged with that accidental one (which you could do if you control both).

tigrou

1:31 PM

it is probably visible for you because you have lot of reputation, but for me it appears as a 404

well, it seems reworking title does not work, (even if title is totally different). probably algorithm check question content

problem fixed

thanks again all

Ampt

1:51 PM

40 mins ago, by Ampt

10k users can see the question

Shahar

2:05 PM

lorem ipsum dolor

Ampt are you on like 24/7?

Oded

Sock puppets don't sleep.

Shahar

Seems like it

And the question gives me 404^^ :|

Oded

Earn more rep.

Shahar

no need programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/253889/…

1.62/2.18 GB leggo

Oded

I have no idea what that means

Shahar

2:11 PM

"leggo" => "Let's go"

in "gangsta"

Are you Israeli by the way?

Oded

Born and bred. Living in London these days.

Shahar

My friend lives in the UK but he lives in a really Palestinian area so... shit happens

I live in NY although I'm probably moving back to Israel soon

BTW where are you from in Israel? Rich area?

Oded

Dunno. Is Jerusalem considered rich?

Shahar

2:27 PM

Depends on the area

Ampt

@Oded I didn't know you were Israeli! Welp, looks like I've filled my quota for learning for the day.

Shahar

Like obviously there are slums in Jerusalem but there are also really rich houses.

Oded is the most Israeli name ever lol

Ampt

I thought that was just his Avatar name

Didn't know it was his real one

Oded

It is indeed :)

Shahar

lol why wouldn't employees of SE put their real names?

Ampt

2:29 PM

Why would they?

Oded

@Shahar I'd say we were OK... we were not rich, nor were we poor.

Shahar

According to your careers page you had a computer at age 13

so that's pretty good

Oded

@Shahar Shog9 isn't his real name... Nor is "Grace Note" a real name.

Shahar

Alright I stand corrected, but your careers page has your real name careers.stackoverflow.com/Oded

Oded

Well. It may be a real name, but it isn't the legal name of the CM ;)

Ampt

2:30 PM

@Oded wait Shog9's name isn't Shog9?!

Oded

It is now Shog10.

Ampt

Shog++

Shahar

best editor ever

DJ Shog

Braiam

cool

Shahar

I hate when Wikipedia asks for donations

I'd rather see ads

Braiam

2:32 PM

@Shahar SACRILEGE!

Ampt

@Shahar Really? You'd rather see ads?

Shahar

yes >_<

Ampt

I don't think you've put enough thought into that decision

MetaFight

@Shahar I wish I could nega-star comments.

Ampt

@MetaFight Move to other room-> Delete room -> ??? -> Profit

you can get directions from @JimmyHoffa

Shahar

2:35 PM

I feel like Wikipedia ads wouldn't be annoying

it'd just be a text with a link somewhere

ratchet freak

meh a small add in the sidebar above the language select is not intrusive

Ampt

@Shahar I feel like it's not about the annoyance, it's about the principle of the matter

Wikipedia is about having an unbiased source of information

ads are the antithesis of that

Shahar

Actually they kind of are^

they hold conventions to recruit specific writers

Ampt

They kind of are what

Shahar

biased, mostly when you look at political pages

But still, I don't see how ads would be the antithesis of that if they are moderated well

Ampt

2:38 PM

The whole point of ads is to get you to buy something

how could that be anything but biased?

@Shahar this has more to do with whos making the edits

Shahar

Oh and Wikinews is the most biased thing I have ever seen

Ampt

they do make an effort to stop that

Shahar

But they have entire "portals" that are biased by nature

^^Note how I said "if they [the ads] are moderated well"

Anyhow, 300 MB left

Ampt

@WorldEngineer Do you have much knowledge with Django?

Oded

Isn't that donation request simply a big ad?

ratchet freak

2:43 PM

@Shahar still downloading from last night?

Shahar

@ratchetfreak No I paused it at 1 AM and went to sleep

And yeah^ that's a good point

Let's see in theory, since my download rate is 0.14 mb/s

it should take about 36 minutes

ratchet freak

if the rate remains

Shahar

It fluctuates

I'd take 0.14 to be the average

Should end at approximately 11:20 then

I seriously doubt it though

Thomas Owens

I was thinking about working on a free/open-source requirements management tool. But then I keep thinking about how much capability it would need to be useful and then I realized why there weren't any good free ones.

Oded

True for quite a lot of libre software out there.

Thomas Owens

2:47 PM

Within 5 minutes, it actually turned into ALM software.

Ampt

Just use excel!

Thomas Owens

Honestly, if you are just managing requirements and don't need full lifecycle support, version control + text (CSV for opening in {insert spreadsheet software here}) is likely sufficient.

I suppose I could try to make a free project management software, but we already have Trac and Redmine.

Ampt

@ThomasOwens Trac? Gross

Thomas Owens

@Ampt What's wrong with Trac?

Ampt

@ThomasOwens Other than the fact that it's outdated, breaks at even the slightest provocation and is generally slow?

Thomas Owens

2:52 PM

What are the cool kids using these days?

Redmine? Or is there something else?

Ampt

Fogbugz

or Jira

Thomas Owens

Ah, Jira.

Ampt

Or, if you want that hipster street cred, you use Trello

Thomas Owens

I forgot about Jira. Fogbugz isn't as fully featured, though.

Shahar

Trac is where it's at

Ampt

2:53 PM

@ThomasOwens really? Fogbugz does everything trac does, but better

Thomas Owens

Is it self-hosted?

Ampt

I guess if you call that a feature :)

Shahar

I'm a cool kid and I confirm that Trac is for cool kids

Thomas Owens

I know Trello isn't.

Ampt

Not to my knowledge

Not sure that Jira is either though

Thomas Owens

2:54 PM

Jira is self-hosted.

Ampt

Apparently FB is self hosted as well

Shahar

Apparently there's also an update to Safari and iBooks that didn't come with the update, so I need to install those too +_+

To get rid of the annoying red number tag

Update to iMovie too darn that's a large one

Ampt

FogBugz

FogBugz is an integrated web-based project management system featuring bug/issue tracking, discussion forums, wikis, customer relationship management, and evidence based scheduling developed by Fog Creek Software. The feature tracker allows users to manage, filter, sort and navigate a tree-structure of tasks, that contain information, tags and attached files related to a particular issue. Discussion forums and wikis may be created around any topic and posts/pages may be added into the same. Users may integrate their email accounts into the system to send/receive email and create issues regarding...

Shahar

1.97 GB iMovie fuck apple... not updating it

Ampt

Either way Trac is pretty much at the bottom of my list as far as Project Management goes

Thomas Owens

2:57 PM

FogBugz has some features, but it's not good for project planning.

Shahar

Then your list needs to be sorted

Thomas Owens

At least, I'm not seeing any real overall project planning, scheduling, and budgeting capabilities.

Shahar

Comparison of project management software

The following is a comparison of project management software. == General information == == Features == == Monetary features == == See also == Project management Project planning Comparison of development estimation software == References... ==

ratchet freak

@Shahar there is always sneakernet, send a 2 gig flash disk to a friend with better internet and have him download it and send back the flash drive

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