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2:56 AM

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Q: Need Help to re-Frame my Question by complying with Programmer StackExchange's Etiquette

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Initially, I am with the intention to Collect the notable misconceptions/errors/misperceptions One have faced during Programming (Mainly with Objective C Language). --Because:-- My First misconception: 'In objective c, by using == operator we are n't comparing string values but pointers (which ...

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Q: What is your notable misconception/error/misperception you ever faced during programming?

Let me exemplify with this scenario: My First misconception: 'In objective c, by using == operator we are n't comparing string values but pointers (which will always remain different despite their content). The recommended way is using isEqualToString: or compare: (and its variants)' Right then...

programming-practices language-agnostic experience patterns-and-practices

Yannis Rizos

9:54 AM

When I'm around, things get deleted. When @Oded is around, things get deleted. Right now, we are both around. Guess what's happening. :P

Uuuuh. Things stay around for hours?

12:13 PM

Guys..... GUYS... There aren't any questions left. We're completely out. On an unrelated note, has anyone seen @Oded or @YannisRizos??

Those guys?

pleasedon'tdeleteme

The aftermath of the combined power of Yannis and Oded

@Ampt shouldiblamecaching.com

@Oded heh. That inspect element button in chrome really helps make everything easier

tru dat

1:04 PM

@gnat a whole question all about you

1:24 PM

I feel like there should be a stat tracker on how many questions gnat has caused self deletion on. Then he should get badges for it

Yannis Rizos

1:39 PM

@YannisRizos given the circumstances, wouldn't it make better sense to simply remove this outright off-topic, totally ignoring what Programmers is about question, so that it won't pollute site front page — gnat 51 mins ago

@gnat I usually like to wait a while, for the OP to take notice of the closure and comments.

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At -5, it's off the front page already.

That said, I just noticed that this isn't the first time he posted an SO question here, and we already had the same q-ban discussion with the OP. So, there's absolutely no reason for me to wait. Gone.

1:52 PM

Question for the mods:

how does [this answer] not net this guy over 10,000 rep? He's currently only at 7000, so unless he bountied a ton of questions, or went on a downvoting rampage, how is he not easily over 10k?

ah... rep capping

nevermind

I'm an idiot

user55340

2:06 PM

@Ampt May 29 '12. 212 events... thats mega rep capped there... that would have been 2120 rep... but 2.1k of it was rep capped away.

user55340

2:26 PM

reminds me of jon skeet. At this point, he just gains 200 rep every day

At least.

user55340

@Oded has Jon had any day of 212+ event epicness?

Probably ;)

@Oded at least? I thought at this point that it was at most

I'd expect bobince to have taken that crown though.

2:29 PM

he rep caps daily

you can only catch up at a certain point with accepted answer or bounty rep

he really has no further use for rep, since nothing he does can increase the rate at which it flows in

Yeah, and his answers get accepted. Even days, weeks and months later.

user55340

I find myself very divided on this. You do have 10 moderator flags for when close votes run out, if you find something really ought to be closed. And the close votes do stick around, in the case that for example a question gets undeleted. But on the reverse side, users under 10k find it really difficult to undelete questions. In the end, I don't think this "loss" is really problematic or abuseable (as among other things it's not as if you can see who voted on your question prior to closing). But I don't see this feature being harmful to implement, either, since the wrongs are just as rare. — Grace Note ♦ Nov 4 '10 at 15:56

user55340

@GraceNote is this still suggested that the 10 moderator flags be used for pushing things to a quick close when you run out of votes? On SO, the custom flags can be even slower than close votes at times... and if you're a responsible flagger you are more likely to have 100 flags available than 10 flags (and I'm sure that the mods would give me very dirty looks if I was to go on a flagging spree of "this needs to be closed quickly - blame Gracenote") — MichaelT 12 hours ago

2:35 PM

Oded should just push that CR through with his mystical mod powers

given his wisdom and intelligence, he should only need to roll a 4 or higher on a d20

its not even checked

What does it say about me that I pretty much understood everything you said?

that you're awesome.

@Ampt you give him a 20% failure rate? pffffffffffff weak.

Yep. It is confirmed. It is Friday.

user55340

@Ampt on a natural 1 is it a critical fumble resulting in hilarity and no questions?

2:39 PM

@MichaelT well, if he rolls a natural 1, joel has to roll 2d12 for punishment

a natural 24 out of that would be termination, but it's highly unlikely

Besides, he already nuked all the questions so far today

user55340

@Ampt Google search: table titans critical failure ... say bye bye to the rest of your day.

@MichaelT and it's only a half day (sort of)

have to remotely attend a webinar from 3:30-5, but I'm catching the 1:30 out of chicago to get to oshkosh for the EAA

user55340

> In one of our games the party was exploring some old ruins and sent the Thief out to scout ahead, carrying his torch along with him. Sneaking through the tunnels, he came upon a small party of goblins who were sent to defend the ruins against invaders.

Immediately rolling a Stealth check, he fumbled massively...rolling a critical failure.

He kicked a rock down the cobblestone passage, making a racket that couldn't be ignored. Except by the goblin who would have seen and heard him...who also rolled a critical failure.

@Ampt oshkosh air show is the best, been far too long since I went there

user55340

> The Dragon Shaman hoisted a boulder weighing about six tons and threw it with every ounce of strength he had at the Giant Sea Serpent.

Unfortunately, a dexterity pool of two and zero thrown skill did not make for good odds.

Indeed, as he rolled his meager two dice, they came up with a double critical failure. He missed the ocean.

Watching the giant boulder tear through the ship they had been trying desperately to save, and then sink into the ocean faster than the rock did, the whole party went very quiet and stared at the Dragon Shaman’s player, who looked both stunned and a little she…

2:47 PM

stop. stop. no more

I'm dying at my desk

user55340

Just go here and keep clicking 'previous'

A: Recover Close votes if asker deletes their own question

3:14 PM

You suck @MichaelT

user55340

@Ampt heh. I warned you.

user55340

And some more unicorn poo:

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This should absolutely be done... Now days, there are people do use up all their close vote on a regular basis. With ever-growing queues on several sites, it is these people who try to beat down the size of the queue or get keep the crap off the front page. This is not a rare occurrence to find...

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user55340

3:35 PM

btw, @gnat I've got another convert to "A Group..." - this time on reddit.

user55340

> That shirky link is a suuuuper good read. thanks for that.

I wonder if they will end up with some sort of reading list on moderators.se

moderators.se?

whaaaaat

I thought you guys were all telepathic

In private beta

for 4 years?

3:47 PM

Huh?

@enderland pretty sure Minecraft is still in beta :P

@Ampt I've played a game online some which has been in beta for something like 7 years I think

user55340

Is Gmail out of beta yet?

user55340

Wiki says:

user55340

> Gmail exited from the beta status on July 7, 2009

3:56 PM

I wonder when people will start checking their sources against Wiki instead of the other way around

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4:38 PM

I wish windows would allow non-rectangular windows. I want my emacs window shaped with panes laid out like an L so I can fit it on the screen with my web browser, though the only way I can do that is by using 2 emacs windows, and I can never remember the chord for switching windows, only switching panes..

or better yet, someone needs to get chrome embedded in a pane in xemacs

that would be awesome

Read that way too fast. Panes did not read as intended

@Ampt Emacs: Now with Levi's extensions

user41796

4:56 PM

This needs 1 more delete vote please: programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/232324/…

user41796

@JimmyHoffa - it's a legal question. Please enjoy burning it to ashes.

@GlenH7 I'm tired of re-logging into SE

user41796

Then don't log out? :-)

At some point in the last year they've jacked the login system up, probably for "added security" but the result is everytime I go to any SE site it asks me to login, and if I login then go to another SE site that other one doesn't have me logged in.

Pain in the arse.

user41796

@JimmyHoffa What browser are you using? I don't have that issue.

5:00 PM

@GlenH7 chrome, I suspect my security extensions don't like whatever changes they made because a year or so ago it wasn't a problem

user41796

DESE never remembers my login automatically, but I normally get a "Welcome back!" message whenever I visit an SE site

user41796

I think they set a cookie of some sort, so if you've locked that down then that would be the issue.

user41796

Would it persuade you if I told you it was a really crappy legal question that needed to be nuked? :-)

@GlenH7 That did persuade me to click the link, but I wasn't logged in...

user41796

Just a few clicks and keystrokes and the world could be a better place...

5:03 PM

@GlenH7 no it can't, syria's still a mess and in somolia some pirates are probably forcing people to walk the plank right now. thanks for ruining my morning.

user41796

I didn't say perfect, I said better.

user41796

and yes, just a little better

user41796

but even a "little better" is better than rolling over and doing nothing

@GlenH7 I don't believe you.

user41796

It's the whole interconnected theory. Since everything is connected, by not making things a little better where you can you're actually making everything a little bit worse.

user41796

5:05 PM

Now, I'm not going to hang the guilt of Syria or Somalia over your head. But making the world a better place starts with one little step at a time.

@GlenH7 I think you might have caused some of the problems in Syria. I don't want your admission, it's bad enough that you're trying to ruin my day too...

user41796

With Syria I can categorically deny any involvement. But let's not play 20 questions, please.

user41796

Oh, and Greece. I had nothing to do with Greece. That was all Yannis.

@GlenH7 I'll just assume 'categorically deny' is some political double speak that means 'I might have, but maybe not, but let's not get into details, because I don't like thinking about all the blood'

here you're just trying to garner delete votes, but instead you get blamed for Syria. What is this world coming to...

user41796

@JimmyHoffa Seriously. See, and that's proof of what I was trying to explain. Because you couldn't be bothered to type in a few characters (despite having typed way more in this chat), I'm now being unjustly maligned.

user41796

5:09 PM

It's all connected. And you're the one letting us down.

@GlenH7 I'm not the one causing problems in syria, talk about the pot calling the devil...

user41796

11 mins ago, by GlenH7

Now, I'm not going to hang the guilt of Syria or Somalia over your head. But making the world a better place starts with one little step at a time.

user41796

See, I explicitly said I wasn't pinning that one on you. But I am disappointed at the lack of a delete vote on such a question worthy of deletion.

user41796

And it's a question in a category that you pretty much despise.

user41796

I guess what I'm really saying is "If @JimmyHoffa can't be bothered to cast the final delete vote on a type of question that he hates, what's this world coming to?"

user55340

5:23 PM

@GlenH7 Blam

user41796

@MichaelT Thanks!

user41796

I had to run the "Needs 1 more delete vote" query out to 75 questions to clear out today's delete votes.

user55340

Letter to a Young Haskell Enthusiast

user41796

Hopefully data explorer will refresh over the weekend.

user41796

@MichaelT So far I'm thinking I can substitute "Haskell" with several other major languages or approaches.

user55340

5:27 PM

@GlenH7 Absoultely.

user41796

Oh, and have they called yet? :-)

user55340

@GlenH7 nope.

user41796

Clearly I'm not helping then.

user55340

@GlenH7 nope.

user41796

I'd call them up and give them an earful on your behalf. But I suspect that wouldn't be helpful either.

user55340

5:28 PM

@GlenH7 probably not.

user41796

At least I'm cognizant of my limitations

Q: If Peter, Susan, Edmund and Lucy were the only humans in Narnia, how did the human population emerge?

@GlenH7 one where @GlenH7 commits attrocities in foreign countries and then demands people to cast delete votes in his bloodlust

user41796

@JimmyHoffa It's so over at this point. More valiant folk have stepped up to save the day. I weep that you weren't able to be part of it.

user41796

5:49 PM

I tried to stay polite.

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A: Abuse of "Duplicate" tag

So there's a couple of things to touch upon. First off, you said: The people flagging the first question as duplicate apparently made an assumption, namely that "maintenance programming" equals "dead end". No, the OP started with that assumption: "So half my current work experience would ...

user15026

@GlenH7 I'd say you did a decent job of politeness. :)

user41796

Thanks

user41796

My initial reaction to the question was ... less than polite.

user41796

The abuse bit is what set me off

user55340

5:55 PM

And if you thought gaming was odd sometimes...

user55340

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I'm going to rule out incest here, I don't suppose that's what Lewis had in mind. If I had to guess, I'd say that at some point between The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe and Prince Caspian other humans somehow made it into Narnia. Are there any hints in the books or elsewhere?

cs-lewis narnia

user55340

The mouseover summary of the question raises eyebrows.

user55340

Though that said, there's the entire game of thrones tag...

user55340

“I'm going to rule out incest here” — well that’s your first mistake right there. — Paul D. Waite 8 hours ago

user55340

o_O

user15026

5:57 PM

O.o

user55340

@AshleyNunn you've only got to deal with the stick of truth and the terminal velocity of sheep...

user55340

though you could have fun if you migrated that one to Pets...

Q: What is the terminal velocity of a sheep?

@YannisRizos understood, no worries. I commented primarily to let readers (including OP) see reasons for coming deletion, so your tactic served me well. :) I'd use flag if I thought it's really urgent

user15026

@MichaelT Yeah, I am not sure that that would go over all so well

user55340

@AshleyNunn and then there are all those nethack pet questions...

user41796

5:58 PM

I dunno that they really answered what the terminal velocity is

user15026

@GlenH7 Yeah I am not sure on that either.

user41796

but I don't think MC has an acceleration factor for gravity

user15026

@MichaelT Again, I feel like people might take issue with those.

user55340

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I am thinking of an alternative timing mechanism; I am building a trap and I wanted to try something different to set it off. I want to drop a sheep from n blocks high so that I have a delay before the trap is triggered. The timing needs to be very exact, but I don't know how the falling mechani...

minecraft

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Q: Is there a substantial difference between a pet cat and a pet dog?

In Nethack, several roles by default start with a kitten or a small dog, chosen at random. They seem to be very similar: both have similar growth cycles and behaviors. Is there any substantial difference between them that is relevant to the gameplay? Do they behave differently, for example?

nethack

user55340

5:59 PM

You know you want to...

user15026

@MichaelT Also, they tested with chickens.

user41796

@AshleyNunn probably only because chickens can fall from a tall height and not die in the game.

user41796

all other mobs will die once the height becomes great enough

user15026

@GlenH7 I suspect so. I really know little about minecraft. I tried it for a while but I mostly got bored.

user15026

Because I am not good with games that don't have defined goals

user55340

6:01 PM

►

thx! can you help me? — SahandTheGreat 48 secs ago

user41796

@AshleyNunn I think this is the video I was thinking of:

user41796

►

user41796

@Oded I'm out of delete votes. But you can guess what I'd do if I wasn't.

The deed is done.

user41796

6:04 PM

@Oded I'll happily accept responsibility for nuking that one if need be. :-)

user41796

> this is spam and should be deleted as soon as possible – gnat 49 secs ago

user41796

Looks like gnat was trying to cut into my decisiveness there...

lol

user55340

Btw, if you look up the ages of the actors from Star Trek next gen... you will feel old.

do you guys think a description of something can be both abstract an unambiguous

*and

user41796

6:11 PM

@whatsisname YES! or maybe NO! or maybe "more context please?"

sure

so, this company I am contracting for had some pretty lousy software and some pretty lousy requirements/specification documents

so the new project manager guy, who is a hardware guy and not a software guy, is very focused on writing requirements documents

which is reasonable, however in my opinion his expectations are a bit off

what he is essentially asking for is a given software to be implemented entirely in an MS word document

but at the same time says the requirements should be abstract and not specific to implementation

user41796

@whatsisname Let 'em try...

well I don't want to try because that is a waste of my time and boring

user41796

Requirements can be precise and not tied to the implementation

so, he's said that requirements should be abstract, but at the same time should be unambiguous in intent

user41796

6:14 PM

"Guest users shall have an address associated with them."

and then constantly says that requirements for hardware are "it will be blue, and be wireless"

"Is it blue, yes or no"

and expects stuff like that in descriptions of the software

user41796

"All addresses shall have entries for two street values, one city, one state or province, and one zip code."

but I can't seem to convince him that what he's asking for, what he thinks he's asking for, and what he's expecting, in my opinion, are all different

yeah, but those aren't very abstract, either

basically, what happens

is we have a very abstract requirements document

I implement it

but, because I am the software developer, at requirements-time I can see all the way down to every line of code instantly in my head, he can't

user41796

abstraction is a function of how far away from the system you want to look at it

Dispensador

I can see you guys are already having a conversation, but I figure I'll try asking the question here to see if I can get a quick answer rather than posting a question proper on SO or Programmers.SE: Can anyone tell me if there is a tool, addon, or setting for VS 2010 that will make Javascript display members of a class or var like a period will for classes in C#? My company has a pretty sizable library of javascript utilities and I want an easier way to see what they've implemented for it.

user55340

6:16 PM

amazon.com/Mastering-Requirements-Process-Getting-Edition/dp/…

user41796

@Dispensador check out: vswebessentials.com/download

so, any time I implement something slightly differently that what he expected, despite meeting the "abstract" requirements, he then says "well uh that should be in the requirements document"

and before long the path towards everything in the MSword doc is underway

user55340

(or from Safari books: my.safaribooksonline.com/book/… )

Dispensador

@GlenH7 Checking it out right now.

user41796

@whatsisname Lots of folk think they understand what requirements should be listed to start. And then just punt when the inevitable misses are pointed out.

user41796

6:18 PM

That's just part of requirements gathering

user41796

New boss wants to do it a new way? Okay, roll with it.

user41796

New boss's new way has a bunch of flaws in it? Okay, roll with it. Eventually he'll see the issues.

user41796

What I'm hearing is you really have a "pick your battles" issue not a requirements issue

while rolling over is a tempting solution

in the long run it will cause me trouble

user55340

How much political capital do you want to spend on this?

user41796

6:19 PM

^^^^ This!

ugh

user41796

You're trying to fight a fight that you've got no leverage in

user55340

First off, unless you are a seasoned veteran with double digits in the experience with the company... you've got less than your boss does.

whats really frustrating, is that I understand his position, and I actually agree with him.....when it's hardware

user55340

Get two copies of that book, give one to him... and you read one. At the end of a week or two, have a meeting about what you've both learned from the book.

6:24 PM

it also doesn't help that there are only 3 of us, and he is used to working in a company with several thousand engineers

Sounds like something you would do for a multi-million dollar contract

I'm guessing that's probably not the case here

10 mins ago, by GlenH7

@whatsisname Lots of folk think they understand what requirements should be listed to start. And then just punt when the inevitable misses are pointed out.

What you need to do, is realize what I just quoted, and also that your boss is 100% wrong when he "knows what you want" - so ask more often

he's gonna have a hard time justifying all that overhead for a fancy looking word doc when you're halfway through the project and all you've got are a couple hundred lines of code and a 3000 page word doc haha

@MichaelT This also depends on how much of a PiTA his boss is for others to work with, some longer tenured folks have close to 0 capital too because they can't be worked with

user55340

> Cooler heads have realized that any development technique has a need to discover the requirements as a prerequisite to serious development. In turn, the cooler heads have absorbed requirements processes into their development life cycles. Instead of attempting to do away with requirements, intelligent methods simply approach the requirements need from a different direction.
The real concern—and this applies to any kind of development technique—is to discover what is needed without producing unnecessary, premature, and wasteful reams of documentation.

user55340

6:32 PM

@enderland they've spent it all and haven't earned any more.

user55340

Best manager I had ones one years ago who, when we said 'this is important' would loan us her 'political capital' to get it done...

user55340

and when thinking of it in that context, she got it back with interest in the completion of a good project.

ampt: right

if I did nothing for an entire year but write requirements documents, he'd be A-OK with that

well... it's up to you to figure out how much trouble that would cause for you and your career

except, then we would have gone a year without any new software or updates or anything, etc, which is a problem of its own

yeah

6:37 PM

you don't want the sinking ship to take you down too

then again, he's your manager and its up to you to follow him

user55340

Employer^^.. the senior developers were basically relegated to that ('they know what needs to be done - their time is too valuable to be spent coding... have them write waterfall tech docs and give that to the jr devs...')

yeah I think I'll chat with the "other" boss and I'll either roll with it and not care, or they'll move me to other stuff

likely the moving to other stuff

yeah its really up to how the higher ups see failure

it may come back to bite you

yeah, it could

@whatsisname did you know coffeescript will automatically bundle your iteration results as a returned array if the last line in a function is inside a loop, it's implicit return assumes you want to return the result of that line from each iteration so it creates and array and bundles the results into it and returns it from the function

I just did it on accident, it's awesome

6:48 PM

I did not know that

I just noticed one of my recursive calls is automatically returning an array with basically the flattened graph I'm recursing

I've never used coffeescript though, so you could claim just about anything and I wouldn't argue ;)

user41796

@Oded - The Javascript code dumper just claimed an age below SE's terms of use. You've got justification to nuke the account at this point.

user41796

sorry sir. I'm 7 years old. What in the world is code dump? — user3882306 2 mins ago

only 7 and says sir? not too shabby

user41796

6:50 PM

@MichaelT - can't pin deleted comments. :-)

user55340

@GlenH7 I know.

@GlenH7 it's the thought that counts ;)

@whatsisname or rather i guess it's not a flattened graph because each recurse returns an array so it's returning the graph with subnodes as I walk it

pretty handy that

user55340

@GlenH7 programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/252004/… (yea, 10k link)

user41796

@MichaelT I got the up vote in on that comment before it nuked

user55340

6:52 PM

And yep... he did click the big red button (I had the profile open in another window... other accounts are 404'ed)

user55340

Could we get the last bit of it gone - reject this edit: programmers.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/72861

user41796

Terms of use are very clear and need to be followed.

user41796

@MichaelT got it

shit, it's lunch time. Stupid JavaScript crap stealing my times

user41796

@JimmyHoffa real javascript hackers just skip lunch

6:59 PM

This guy did

had to make that lunchtime train out

Do I get to be a real javascript hacker now?

user41796

@Ampt No, you work for a corporate behemoth.

user41796

By definition, you are "unhip" and therefore cannot be a true javascript hacker.

but....but... I work for a small, hip, trendy company that got bought by a corporate behemoth

user41796

But you can pretend to be one. And if your corporate behemoth so wishes, you can participate in projects that churn out more and higher quality code than what several true javascript hackers combined could do.

thats fine, I didn't really want to be a javascript hacker anyway

I think that javascript has some very fundamental flaws and whoever decided that we should be running it on the server as well was nuts.

user41796

7:06 PM

@Ampt Oh, don't even get me started on that one

user41796

Crockford has got some crazy and interesting projects in place for that. I fear what the repercussions may be if they are successful.

And if javascript truly does become the language of the future and everything becomes a javascript app, I'm retiring and opening a brewery

user41796

Hee hee. Someone downvoted my duplicate abuse answer.

A: "You have asked terrible questions, please get away or ask better question"

I kinda wonder what could be the reason to downvote this:

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Based on your past questions, system decided to warn that you may be approaching question ban. This is described in more details in Warn new users when they ask a question after a previous question is closed, downvoted, or deleted at MSE (bold font in below quote is mine): Starting today, we...

user41796

@Ampt There will be a huge market for beer at that point

user41796

7:09 PM

@gnat If the downvote is recent, I'm betting revenge for the duplicate answer question.

@gnat oh no site meta downvotes! the rep! :)

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Q: Make voting activity on your posts available on site metas (what you would get from rep if metas had rep)

@GlenH7 seems recent to me, if memory serves it wasn't there yesterday...

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Child metas don't have rep, so there's no point in tracking a rep stat or reporting changes. But one of the things rep updates do on main sites is to alert me when there's activity on older posts. On metas, unless I revisit a question I'll never notice that there's been a bunch of voting (which...

feature-request voting notifications per-site-meta achievements-dialog

@enderland I cry over every meta DV!!!

user41796

@gnat 'cause they happen so rarely? ;-)

@GlenH7 of course! By the way, it's unlikely personal against me, I just noticed Oded's answer there is voted down as well

jeez, I better go upvote you to balance the rep out

oh wait.

user41796

7:17 PM

@Ampt It'll help the hurt feelings.

Oh no! Not hurt feelings! Upvotes for everyone!

user41796

@gnat I'm sure Oded has quite a few stalkers. Little do they know that he could figure out who downvoted.

Personally, I keep a tally next to my bed with all my downvotes, and reflect on them every night

user41796

@Ampt If that's the case, I don't think your girlfriend was upset about you buying a laptop. I think there's deeper issues to address.

A: Should 'drive by' down voting be more effectively caught?

Tim Post probably lost his keys again, is all.

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The answer was down voted because I lost my keys. Please, stay with me, let me explain this odd chain of events. Earlier today I couldn't get to the store on time because I could not find my keys. That caused me to miss the opportunity to run over a golf ball, which would have bounced between a...

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7:22 PM

That explains so much of my life

who could think that my answers were anything but perfect

user41796

-1 for losing your keys. — GlenH7 11 secs ago

user41796

Of course, some idiot really will downvote the answer and then I'll look like the bad guy.

alas, I don't even have enough rep to upvote the answer

user41796

@Ampt Weird. You ought to have picked up a 100 rep site association bonus on MSE

I may have bountied that away

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7:28 PM

@Ampt Indeed you did

@GlenH7 you better don't know how many guys I made look bad that way. It often happens that I stumble upon some answer having no DVs, see comment explaining what's wrong in there and vote down, based on that comment. I think I saw it alt least handful times that later, answerer was complaining that they were voted down by commenter :)

@gnat oops :)

I like how we had the opposite problem this morning

negative comment with no DV

user41796

@gnat Fine. Fine. Ruin my fun. At least the diamonds can still see my snark.

@Ampt now, when you make a critical comment, don't forget to add "any votes down that may appear after this comment are gnat's not mine"

user41796

@Ampt That's because we had failed to see the genius of the question and upvote it into orbit.

7:30 PM

@gnat as if I hadn't already been doing that

@gnat is there a suggestion somewhere to only show the review count for ones you can actually do?

I can't really find anything on meta

@enderland yes, I saw it at MSE recently

user41796

That request has been in place since the new review icon rolled out.

user41796

The answer I remember was "No, because it's too expensive on the DB to calculate individual tallies"

Oh. that's lame

user41796

7:32 PM

Of course, I may have paraphrased that a bit.

I basically stop doing reviews since I can't get rid of the icon anyways

I konw this is really pathetic but.... meh

user41796

Trying to say you need different bits of cheese to entice you?

No, more that when on smaller sites such as Workplace I cannot get rid of the queue even if I have 0s across the board makes the icon much less impactful, since I can't really affect it

user41796

You can make the number smaller....

@enderland I didn't stop reviews, but that's probably because I got used to totally ignore that useless indicator (otherwise, I'd probably stopped too)

7:47 PM

you mean the little red number?

mine only ever shows for suggested edits

not sure how that works

@Ampt you need moar rep

I can do close votes and reopen votes

and those never show up

A: Notify users of possible reviews on toolbar

@Ampt you'll get to see it soon, when you get 10K :)

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As of a few minutes ago, we are replacing the pending suggested edit count in the top bar with the number of pending reviews for diamond moderators and folks with the "moderation tools" privilege (i.e. 10k users on graduated sites and whatever that level's at on betas): We are excluding the Cl...