The Whiteboard - 2014-12-18 (page 2 of 2)

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6:00 PM

I'm doing that right now, in fact lol

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@hexparrot And I'm sure it's the only mistake on their site.... :-P

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Truthfully, it's usually pretty good.

on the other hand, the bug being the result of that has some troubling implications for other stuff, which is too bad

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But I do remember reading that page eons ago when getting ready to setup my server. And I didn't bother looking into MineOS further because they said it was defunct.

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@whatsisname cascading issues like that really suck. Because then you wonder how XYZ was working

6:03 PM

Massively pruned down the gamepedia page. Some of that stuff was so specific and linking to stuff I mostly hoped would be lost in the ravages of time..

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@hexparrot nothing ever gets lost....

well, i dont necessarily mind that it's findable. But just like for your experience, I don't want there to be misguiding info....that MineOS died.

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@hexparrot Yep, could've saved me a lot of time and headache earlier

Yeah, but the project itself tends to only appeal to the youngest Minecraft audience. It's been very polarizing in that way. Many competent admins admonish it for doing something they know how to do in CLI...though the purpose of it was really that...to automate something competent admins do in CLI...and teach new admins how.

Rather, it doesnt appeal only to the youngest, but it has a large percentage of users that are quite young. The people who contributed to the github project often were professionals.

Let's say you're dealing with a pixar-quality shader. How big do your numbers have to be?

6:11 PM

...seven?

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@hexparrot That's kind of short-sighted of them. Solid tools make my life as an admin easier, not harder. I don't take a lot of satisfaction in just "administrating." I'd rather be done with that and get back to playing.

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I used to write for a commercial backup / recovery application. Admins could do a lot of the stuff by hand, if they wanted. But we made it much easier to administrate a fleet of backup systems so the admins could do a lot more.

@GlenH7 I wrote several scripts that make it easy for my boss to look at data and other things

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Industry rankings for our product of "administrators : systems managed" simply blew the competition out of the water. You could do a lot more with our system and just one admin vs. the other systems.

I would do it by hand with an FTP client or scp

but NOW i just use the scripts

because even though I can do it longhand, why should I?

6:15 PM

I'll rephrase the question. IPhones have a chip in them call the A7 that is 64-bit. The Metal shader framework uses the chip, but does not accept 64 bit numbers. Why?

@durron597 there's definitely value to doing it longhand.............. .... . ...... once. Then you learn to refactor it and never do it again!

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@RobertHarvey Perhaps it hasn't been updated to be 64 bit?

user41796

Switching to 64 bit didn't provide enough benefit to justify the cost?

I think the same people who insist on doing things longhand all the time are the same people who might jump in on vim/emacs flamewars.

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Visual Studio is still 32 bits because they didn't need to be 64bit

6:16 PM

Or you just don't need numbers that big. How many color pixel combinations can you put on a mobile screen?

Billions, maybe? Certainly not quadrillions. Though 64 bit might be nice for internal calculations.

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@hexparrot yeah, that's been settled. emacs all the way. :-) But you're right - some people prefer to do things the hard way

@hexparrot Eight thousand Megabytes And Constantly Swapping!!!!!!

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@RobertHarvey 32 bits likely covers the full spectrum for what can be discerned by the eye & screen

Yeah, that's kinda what I figured.

@GlenH7 No one needs an editor to be a lisp interpreter

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6:18 PM

And I thought that some systems still pack 3 or 4 color dimensions into a 32 bit number

I am a lisp interpreter.

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@durron597 sniped

no, real programmers use ed

ugh, im a formatting fail

@RobertHarvey I am a lipth intepreter

wikimarkup..

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6:19 PM

@hexparrot just drop the bare url in the comment box by itself, it'll one box to the comic

Markdown >> wiki-markup

user41796

Real programmers set the universal constants at the start such that the universe evolves to contain the disk with the data they want.

Also what formatting fail ;)

Speaking of vim, I'm doing the vimtutor right now.. hah

speaking of non-sequitors, do any of you know any programmers who DVORAK?

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both vim and emacs have their uses, despite emacs being the superior tool. :-)

6:21 PM

I've decided 2015 is year for dvorak, but it was designed for english, not programming, so I'm wondering if im barking down the wrong tree.

@hexparrot I see one every time I shave

user41796

@hexparrot niche keyboard. I've heard of it / seen it. But don't know anyone who uses.

@GlenH7 Yes you do, see above

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@durron597 you do?

@GlenH7 Indeed

6:22 PM

I myself own a dvorak-labelled keyboard (its a dual-labelled typematrix), but since im already at 80+ wpm in english it's been so hard to justify the drastic change

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@durron597 how long did it take to reprogram your brain from a qwerty keyboard?

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for point of reference - I'm a touch typist at 60 - 90 wpm depending upon the usuals

@hexparrot That's my problem too, I type really fast with qwerty (like 100 wpm give or take a test) so it's hard for me to think about and justify changing

@durron597 I entirely misread your sentence as "every time I see one, I shave"

Can I ask a totally off-topic household question?

6:23 PM

@RobertHarvey there's ontopic here?

Especailly since people generally get confused like NONE OTHER when they use a DVORAK keyboard and are used to QWERTY I decided it wasn't worth it

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@hexparrot it's usually not an issue of speed in typing that holds back programming, but I'm curious to hear about @durron597's experience.

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@RobertHarvey Just ask, don't ask if you can ask.

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(I'm so gonna get kicked for that one... :-)

@GlenH7 It does however in chat types of programs like this

One of our household vendors (it's a shutter company) asked us if the check was in the mail. I told her it was. She said "Great; what is the check number?"

6:24 PM

Amazing how much more quickly you can type chat with people -whether this or work IM

I just got 96 wpm here: 10fastfingers.com/typing-test/english

Why would they need the check number, and what would they do with it if they had it?

I use qwerty keyboards. Really great for when people try to look over my shoulder at my passwords

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@RobertHarvey some companies record that just as a secondary checkpoint with their records

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Some of the invoices I get (kids' school comes to mind) list the check number that was used to pay

6:25 PM

it only took me about a month to switch. but my qwerty typing was so distorted

my right hand was turned sideways (so my wrist was over the enter key)

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And if you're reconciling statements, it can be helpful when you have 8 checks for $123.

@durron597 94 wpm

@durron597 ahh that's awkward but I got 119 with 594/605 keystrokes correct

though I also corrected most of those

But that was such erratic typing....I'm sure my normal-english is lower.

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@durron597 I've considered switching to one of the more ergonomic keyboards to help with the positioning of my hands

6:27 PM

Typing real sentences is a lot easier I think when you are being conversational

@GlenH7 do it, I LOVE my ergo keyboard

it helps a ton with my wrists feeling a bit sore at the end of a day

ffs. You guys can type 90 wpm?

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@RobertHarvey yea

61, with four errors.

user41796

I blame high school

I had zero errors

@GlenH7 I blame instant messaging

Well, I corrected the errors I did have

6:28 PM

@durron597 I ought to practice not making any errors period, that is what makes you a lot faster if you are already typing close to max, if you slow down just slightly to not make errors your overall speed goes way up

I promise I'm not a shill for this keyboard but honestly. SO good.

Or at lesat does for me, since I don't have to hit backspace so much which slows me way down

oh god.

@hexparrot do [name of hyperlink](url)

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@hexparrot swap your [] and () to fix the link

6:28 PM

dvorak is just better. that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of qwerty typists who aren't faster than me

enderland waves

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[ text I want you to see ] ( link in here )

my girlfriend is qwerty and she's faster than me

@enderland is faster than me

but i have zero worry about carpal tunnel even though i sit at a computer all day every day

I also do not worry about carpal tunnel. My believe in the keyboard protects me.

user41796

How do you do when you have to switch back to a qwerty keyboard?

6:30 PM

I should learn DVORAK but my main problem is I'm never only using a single computer and where no one else uses it

@hexparrot That keyboard doesn't even have the right key spacing. You might be 96WPM on it, but you'll be 36WPM everywhere else.

@GlenH7 fine. i still have to type on other people's qwerty keyboards plenty

What probably would be best for a desktop setup is a keyboard which is physically dvorak

@RobertHarvey I'm definitely not that slow elsewhere....

so you can have a qwerty attached too

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6:31 PM

that's good to know - my work and home systems are laptops, so I won't always have the additional keyboard to use

In my old job I was deploying our software to customers, so I couldn't make those computers be qwerty. I think it's akin to being fluent in two languages

I have never and will never own a dvorak keyboard

My keyboard (being dual labelled) actually has a dvorak/qwerty toggle.

I just never look at the keys

That said, nobody understands how to use it because it's gridded rather than staggered.

user41796

@hexparrot good way to get people to leave your system alone

6:32 PM

Even in qwerty, I get the most flabberghasted responses to this KB. "how do you use that!"

@hexparrot "Practice."

"how do I use this carpal-tunnel demolishing beast of a kb?" practice, indeed.

Actually, if it took me longer than an hour to get used to it I'd be surprised.

Anyway, I switched in college. It was all the rage among my friends. I still did homework in QWERTY in the beginning, especially programming, because you don't gain a lot in dvorak for []{}+/?

or vim...

though I'd guess they all have dvorak plugins of some sort haha

Those MS ergo's that curve and bow our your elbows are the real hard ones to use. How they stagger the numbers over the letters is always so inconsistent to other non-curved kbs

6:33 PM

@durron597 You can freely switch between two keyboard layouts?

@hexparrot see I LOVE my MS one

@RobertHarvey On all my computers I hotkey Ctrl+Shift to switch layouts

this is in qwerty

back to dvorak

@durron597 That's the one thing I was most concerned about--all the programming symbols and their ease of access to dvorak

amazon.com/dp/B00CYX26BC/ref=pe_385040_30332200_TE_item

/vomitted.

haha jk

6:35 PM

@hexparrot It's still easier to type ',. in dvorak than in qwerty

I like chiclet keys and I really wanted the separation of the number pad

and []{}?

which leads me to, as best I can tell, just that keyboard

To be quite honest, the []{} are actually in the same place on my kb, dvorak or qwerty...I'm just being difficult.

I actually stopped using the number pad since I got this keyboard. All numbers for me are straightly-gridded above the letters, so I can type numbers very quickly.

I can use the keypad much quicker when I'm doing A LOT of numbers, but when it comes to something like typing a few numbers, prefer to keep my hands on the home row.

dvorak these keys:

[]/=-

qwerty, same keys:

-=[]'

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6:38 PM

@hexparrot In a previous life, I had to get really good at 10-key, so I almost always use the number pad for anything past just a few numbers.

but they're all still way far off the home row so it really doesn't make a difference.

@GlenH7 I wish I was better at 10-key.

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@durron597 work retail where you have to key in the sku... :-D

10-key is an absolute must for routine number entry

@GlenH7 I did have to punch produce sku's at a grocery store, in another life... but it didn't come up enough.

Pretty rare for someone to buy 25 different kinds of produce at once

(though it did happen)

user41796

At this particular job, all products had to be manually keyed in. And we were crazy high volume, so you had to get fast at it in order to do well.

6:40 PM

sounds awful

user41796

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Wasn't that bad in the early days, tbh

whoa, those still exist?

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Plus they let associates check out software / games. That was freaking awesome.

@hexparrot There are like 6 or 7 within 5 miles of here

6:42 PM

I'm thinking among all my console-gaming friends...how many of them actually ever go to Gamestop

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@hexparrot huge in some parts

Plus an independent video game store (where you can buy like, NES and SNES cartridges omgwtfbbq)

Yeah, I have a few gamestops around here too. I'm just often surprised that the model survives. It doesn't seem from the outset to be modernized to the internet.

We have rentable games, mail-in games, purely downloadable games, online retailers and brick-and-mortar retailers offering price matching etc..

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@hexparrot Because there's value in being able to go to a store and talk with others about their gaming experiences

I recall that I actually applied for a gamestop back in the day. They didn't hire me because I was "overqualified" and was afraid "i'd get too bored and leave too soon"

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6:44 PM

Researching this answer for Worldbuilding left me with the strangest browser history I've had in awhile.

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A: Evolution of a non-human species with no concept of gender?

Everyone is talking about asexual and hemaphroditic approaches so far. There is (at least one) another approach that is found in on Earth that turns the gender upside down. Slime molds. We've got a chromosome that has two different layouts that determine gender. There are other variations on ...

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Those stores are almost always staffed by other gamers

they definitely were right. I'm rather pleased I never got that job

That could be true. Perhaps just around my gaming circles are people who are inexplicably bad at talking with strangers and prefer isolation from face-to-face conversation

@hexparrot that's so stereotypical. lol

Well, they're not Big Bang Theory bad....to be fair, nearly nobody is that bad.

@MichaelT Even human species have explored no concept of gender, see also "Stranger in a Strange Land", by Robert Heinlein

this is my first time in SE chat. I wonder why it's taken me so long.

this is a much easier way to pass time at my second-to-last day of work than reddit

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6:49 PM

@hexparrot You were waiting for a conversation about MC and licensing to creep up

..."creep" up...i get it

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@hexparrot hence the tags my-code-is-compiling and the-other-monitor

about 40 minutes off from my going-away party.

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In the evening we get more to good-booze

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I think that's also largely why I'm suddenly discovering SE chat....*because up until now*, I actually worked.

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6:52 PM

@hexparrot careful there. That'll get your comments flagged as offensive. :-)

Question: if I needed to convince coworkers that they needed to learn TDD, what resource will provide the most compelling case?

do you have testing already?

as in automated testing

non

What I'm thinking is I'll have to scour coding horror for something to this effect. I'm looking more for a use case that will be compelling

if you don't have any testing, it's liekly at some point a very minor change caused a lot of things to break which caused a lot of problems and took forever to troubleshoot, which would have been easily detectable with testing

@MichaelT Ugh I'm still coughing and congested from being sick two weeks ago. Don't talk to me about good-booze

7:01 PM

Oh I agree. I got TDD-fever within minutes of learning about it.

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room topic changed to The Whiteboard: General Discussion for Programmers Stack Exchange. Pants optional when telecommuting. [good-booze] [horror-stories] [monads] [my-code-is-compiling] [not-the-bridge] [parsing-errors] [phlegm] [the-other-monitor] [william-blake]

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@durron597 that better?

Have any of you played around with TDD As If You Meant It?

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@MichaelT can we drop the william blake bit? And I miss having a URL back to programmers in there. <sigh>

First time I'm hearing of it. Reading it now

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7:05 PM

room topic changed to The Whiteboard: General Discussion for Programmers Stack Exchange. programmers.stackexchange.com Pants optional when telecommuting. [good-booze] [horror-stories] [monads] [my-code-is-compiling] [not-the-bridge] [parsing-errors] [phlegm] [the-other-monitor]

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@MichaelT ty

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No prob. They don't have the nice markdown in the room info... makes me sad.

@MichaelT ty

TAIFYMI is to TDD what Object Calisthenics is to OO, I guess.

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@MichaelT Room info. The third class citizen of SE

7:07 PM

@JörgWMittag Favorited. ty

@JörgWMittag Enjoyed that read

I'm intrigued by the claim that TAIFYMI leads to drastically different and more diverse designs than "traditional" Imagine-what-the-design-should-be-then-carefully-craft-your-tests-such-that-they‌-force-emergence-of-your-preconceived-notions TDD.

ooh, I'm part of the latter. Break it to me softly: am I awful?

I feel like Uncle Bob taught us the latter. Am I misinterpreting?

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@hexparrot Not awful, but you'll find a lot of people just won't listen to you

I guess it's a question of whether you trust in the idea of TDD, that design will emerge from your tests and architecture will emerge from refactoring.

Dare I say "magically" emerge.

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7:24 PM

@AshleyNunn on Q last night (the public radio station does some CBC programs) I heard a bit about a compilation of First Nation folk and rock music from 1966 to 1985 (Native North American is the album name). If you are interested in some lesser known music of that style you should look it up.

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Side bit - I have no idea how to pronounce "Maqaivvigivalauqtavut"

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7:48 PM

I have no idea either, but I might have to check the music you mentioned out, sounds like something I might be interested in.

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US folk rock from '60 to '80 is rather celebrated... Canadian is less well known.

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The only one that that I've heard of at all was Willie Dunn

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William "Willie" Dunn (August 14, 1942 – August 5, 2013) was a Canadian film maker, folk musician, playwright and politician. Born in Montreal, he is of mixed Mi'kmaq and Scottish/Irish background. Dunn often highlighted aboriginal issues in his work. == Music career == Born in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, Dunn was a singer and acoustic guitarist. He released several full-length albums of recorded music including Willie Dunn (1971), The Pacific (1980) and Metallic (1999). Metallic, reprises material from both earlier releases. Dunn also composed the song, "Son of the Sun", which Kashtin recorded on...

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And if you're interested in the program itself: cbc.ca/q/blog/2014/12/17/…

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8:16 PM

Can we get this community-nuked please: programmers.stackexchange.com/q/163079/53019

@GlenH7 Why did that even get migrated?

One of these moons i'll have 3000 rep...

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@durron597 It was quite a while ago. Not sure if it was before Yannis going off on some of the SO mods and explaining that crap is crap regardless of the site.

8:44 PM

I LOVE HATS

HATS!

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@MetaFight HATS FTW!

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I need to get back to working on getting more hats and bump myself up on the SE leaderboard

I'm gonna spam stars now for starts.

GO!

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But red baron and 30 minutes or less are going to be hard

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@MetaFight keep in mind it needs to be 8 separate posters, I think

8:47 PM

yup

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Q: Is tap water drinkable in Massachusetts (and elsewhere in USA)?

I have been offered a position with a US-based company. This role is initially located in Massachusetts, but the company says I can live anywhere in US, as long as I am not too far from an airport. My question is about whether public drinking water in Massachusetts is safe to use for coffee, tea...

usa tap-water massachusetts

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Me thinks someone played that community well.

Please star me so I can finally get my Outspoken badge

@GlenH7 That question brings back memories. My dad has been doing that in DB2/400 and even before that on IBM /36 and /38 for decades. It's basically a simple document database using SQL as the storage backend. I remember studying the ER diagrams while I was still at university, trying to get to grips with my database classes.

At one time I got it into my head that I wanted to write a Rails frontend for one of his apps, but getting ActiveRecord to understand his DBs was just impossible.

@GlenH7 is there any chance I'll get your bounty in it's current form, if no, any thoughts on how I might improve it to get the bounty?

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8:54 PM

@JörgWMittag Rails: Now you have two problems. :-D

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@durron597 Honestly, I dropped the bounty on that one to gain more attention to the Q and to pull down a hat. I need to go read and see what's there. :-(

@GlenH7 I know. But I'm going to start actually trying to get 3k rep on PSE I think.

Oh nice. Whoever starred me gave me outspoken :) And werewolf hunter.

user41796

@durron597 As the questions stand, I'll likely award you the bounty and the answered checkmark to doval. His answer is right, but your answer better panders to my preconceived notions. :-D

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But I won't award until I hit the grace period. I believe in letting most bounties run until they're about to expire - maximizes the attention they can garner.

@GlenH7 Of course. Me too

@GlenH7 And I agree his answer is correct - but I didn't think he was answering the question you were asking exactly.

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9:00 PM

He didn't; which is one of the reasons why I was happy enough to bounty that one.

What I really need is @JimmyHoffa to start force feeding me +500 bounties like I were a sock puppet

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I think laziness and async are the new OOP. And I think it introduces some subtle bugs that people need to be aware of if you don't do particular things

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@durron597 Oh, but the months of grief that puppet had to put up with first... :-)

@GlenH7 :-D

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Laziness is garbage collection for computation

9:02 PM

@WorldEngineer I have to remember that!

user20683

so it makes sense that it would go hand in hand with async

user20683

@JörgWMittag in all fairness it's not my quote

user41796

@WorldEngineer but laziness as currently implemented doesn't provide some of the safeties that gc does

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People would've freaked if GC freed memory that was still actively in use, for example.

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Whereas that particular class which has laziness with side effects, I got burned because of the side effect

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9:04 PM

@GlenH7 computation isn't as safe as memory because it can't remember

ok so let me get this straight. the idea behind having good tests in TDD is to be able to rerun your test suite every time to make sure your change didn't break anything

user41796

@durron597 That's one of the benefits, yes

but what happens when your boss frequently tells you to make a change that breaks your unit test (because the specs change)

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@durron597 change the test; then change the code

user41796

the test validates the spec

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9:05 PM

(or verifies, whatever)

Your tests are an executable encoding of your specs. If the spec changes, the test changes accordingly.

user41796

(not getting into the validate vs. verify semantic war)

user20683

Tests are ad hoc subtypes of "spec"

user20683

validate = does this compute

Or, in BDD parlance: your tests are examples of specified behavior.

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9:06 PM

verify = is this true?

user20683

functionally they mean the same thing most of the time

Ha! Yesterday I was complaining that every question I have for PSE is either too specific (so I should put it in SO) or too broad (it quickly gets closed here)

but actually, this would have been a great question for PSE.

Oh well :)

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@WorldEngineer Indeed!

user41796

@WorldEngineer I can never remember which level they're supposed to apply to. And the semantic difference between the two terms in common usage is so minimal... Bleh

user41796

9:10 PM

@durron597 You can rehash a question asked in chat on Main

user20683

@GlenH7 Verification = proofs of programs (Haskell et al)

user41796

well, some questions

user20683

validation = does this thing match this other thing

@GlenH7 I already got excellent answers here, I don't need to post it again in main

though I'd be happy to to give y'all some rep.

user20683

verification = does this thing make sense

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9:10 PM

@WorldEngineer Sorry, you used a banned word in that comment. I have a filter that cuts out comments that mention Haskell, monad, monoid, ....

user41796

(just kidding)

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@durron597 Um, go rehash it in main and get your repz

user41796

we only give out stars in here

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@WorldEngineer - there you go again, deleting messages before I can star them.

user20683

@GlenH7 it's a hobby

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9:12 PM

anyway

user41796

At least you weren't shouting at me that time... :-)

user20683

validation is syntax

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verification is semantics

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in very broad analogies

user41796

It's all semantics in my book. :-) Worrying about particular terms has rarely had direct applicability in my day-to-day work. Although on a current project, I've had to be a pedant more than once with terminology. <shrugs shoulders>

9:15 PM

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Q: Test Driven Development when the specifications change

These days, it's fairly common for me to be tasked to make a change that actually breaks the prior spec. I know that one of the major ideas behind TDD is to have a suite that verifies all your changes didn't actually break anything, but what do you do when the change you need to do, by it's very ...

unit-testing development-process tdd

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@durron597 Hope you asked from the app. :-)

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Q: How to do Test Driven Development

I have just 2+ years of experience in application development. In those two years my approach towards development was as following Analyze requirements Identity Core component/Objects, Required functions, Behavior, Process and their constraints Create classes, relation between them, constraints...

programming-practices unit-testing tdd acceptance-testing

I think your answer is in there, somewhere.

@JörgWMittag My answer is in this chatroom, somewhere :)

Subquestion 4.

That, too :-D

I was instructed to get repz. Unless I get cv-duplicate-with-fire

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9:20 PM

@JörgWMittag It would be buzzkill if one of us VTC'd as dupe though

Yeah, I just realized while I was attempting to answer his question that I had written the exact same words before :-D

And then went hunting for the question.

what are the rules on closed questions with upvotes. do they eventually get deleted? especially cv-duplicate

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@durron597 sometimes. Check the edit I just made though

user41796

Not an exact duplicate, and the difference has been called out.

@GlenH7 You know how they have defensive driving courses? You should teach defensive stack exchange courses

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9:23 PM

@durron597 thanks. :-)

user41796

Best lesson I learned from a defensive driving course - "Drive through the first mistake, don't drive into another one."

Me, I just cut people off and make uncontrolled lefts out of parking lots

I tend to hog the fast lane...

@ratchetfreak Surely make you lose your mind

9:41 PM

Nothing like the Eagles to kill a conversation.

nah it was dead when driving was brought up

user41796

@durron597 conversations in the room go like that. They'll just come up to a full halt without warning

@GlenH7 I know :-D I just took a convenient opportunity to poke fun at the Eagles.

user20683

@Ampt nearest B&N proper
with MMM is in Evanston

Woohoo I managed to get a flag in before the question gets deleted

10:41 PM

Sumo Judge.

10:54 PM

got it

user55340

11:40 PM

Hmm... do hats show up in one boxed profiles?

user55340

apsillers, United States

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user55340

Nope.

user55340

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user55340

Best use of a hat so far.

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