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user41796

6:01 PM

I recently put in a comment for a single line of code. But that's because the single line of code enabled something contrary to expectations. And yes, the line of code was necessary.

I find scrolling or distance between 2 related things vertically or horizontally to be the biggest problem - if the lines are a little more compact but I can look 4 lines up to see the call to a function from where the variable I care about is being used by the function, that's major bonus in my ability to analyze what is exactly happening

perhaps that's a measurement worth analyzing for...distance between related pieces of code...

// DON'T TOUCH THIS LINE OF CODE! IT'S HERE FOR A REASON.

// OR THIS ONE!

user41796

@RobertHarvey Pretty close....

> // UNICORNS UNICORNS UNICORNS

6:04 PM

@JimmyHoffa Or stuff about why. // This isn't a bug. We actually intentionally change the user preference to blue if they pick green, because the CEO hates green. See User Story 184

@psr that qualifies as arcane fact heh

Oh, dear. More super sekrit stuff.

haha I won't say I've never heard conversations over similar kludges...

user41796

Yeah, that was a rough project...

user41796

In another life, we joked about launching easter eggs depending upon who logged in

6:11 PM

Humph. [downloads Eclipse, gets a zip file]

LLVM site says "How to Build Clang." Looks like I'll be stitching things together for awhile.

user41796

Are you on a mac?

hi the whiteboard!

@GlenH7 Windows on a PC.

user41796

k. clang is native on mac. I'd be surprised if you couldn't find a clang binary from a reputable source.

Ah, OK. Pre-built binaries.

user41796

6:14 PM

Sounds more reasonable. :-)

Which meme is the "does this, gets that" one?

@TGMCians Psh, you're so yesterday

user41796

@Ampt harsh, man, harsh.

thanks for noticing me.

Well, he did get bored in a hurry.

It's not like we have dancing girls in here.

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6:17 PM

@RobertHarvey speak for yourself

@TGMCians I mean yesterday we gave you a grand entrance and you didn't even make fun of Functional Programming

@RobertHarvey nah it's not like that

talk about a let down

user41796

@Ampt That was a rather unusual greeting for this room...

just doing android apps. so busy in it

a lot of work

@GlenH7 Yeah we were rather into it WUBWUBWUB

6:19 PM

[Bored with work... Trolls The Whiteboard]

user41796

@Ampt I recall somebody whinging about that...

See, I need that meme, dammit.

@Ampt oh i did something hello world in lisp

then after nothing

must to speak the english more gooder.

user41796

There's something wrong with a language when you need 42 sets of parenthesis just to say "Hello World"

6:20 PM

@RobertHarvey goodness

wrong conjugal.

@RobertHarvey my boss had a serious problem of brain-thinking-faster-than-hands-can-typitis this morning

@JimmyHoffa I could use a conjugal visit right about now.

> How to avoid working long hours

i have to do this daily but max extra 30 minutes

Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're talking about.

see here programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/261472/…

user41796

6:24 PM

These types of questions are always difficult to answer. On the one hand, people may be looking out for your best interests and are warning you away from a particular danger. On the other hand, maybe they're setting you up to fail so that they can look good and take the raises, bonuses, and promotions for themselves. Truly a classic catch-22. — GlenH7 20 secs ago

oh this is same as like stackoverflow

question closed in a minute

We like to think we're better.

Yeah, user name DrunkDog. That was gonna end well.

@GlenH7 yes i agree

user41796

2 more VTDs and it's gone.

6:28 PM

@GlenH7 have you ever tried to catch a .22? It's not so hard. I hear out in the desertlands they play catch .762 with little difficulty...

@RobertHarvey I don't have YouTube at work. Please tell me it's that one scene from Office Space.

@ThomasOwens I was hoping so too, unfortunately it's actually some CMU time management 1:15 long lecture...

@JimmyHoffa :(

agreed.

@ThomasOwens It's a serious link. Randy Pausch gave a lecture on Time Management when he knew that he had 3 months to live (pancreatic cancer).

6:29 PM

@RobertHarvey I want to watch it then.

alternatively I was hoping it was just somebody standing up from a cubicle, and walking away, 15 second video clip that teaches something many struggle with

speaking of...

Looking to waste the next 2 and a half hours?

@Ampt Holy Cow. The Tim Burton of language designers.

6:50 PM

I finally had to start accepting the telemarketer calls and opting out. Otherwise, they just keep calling back, day after day after day. Persistent buggers.

@RobertHarvey it is quite literally their job. I love that most smart phones have call blocking.

whoops. wrong window

7:08 PM

@Ampt Careful 'bout those wrong windows- I once had a wrong window IM from a colleague responding to me asking about a design question I had that literally read "Jimmy's gone off the reservation", followed by "Oops, wrong window" (the fact that he didn't try to play it off somehow and just flatly said "Sorry, I was trying to send that to our boss, not you" was pretty funny)

well, had you gone off the reservation?

@Ampt was just asking a question about the design we were working on

Design question: "Are you sure that we can't do this in haskell?"

lack of blind obedience qualifies in some orgs so I guess I had?

Wasn't anything like that I'm sure, even at that- is that something to go tattle to the boss about? It's sad how quickly many in this industry will throw their peers under the bus just because they're so antisocial

user41796

You need to find better places to work... :-)

7:12 PM

:P I think it's kind of a cycle, work for bad companies, get bad experience, so good company's won't hire you, work for more bad companies

(one of the reasons I want to stick where I am, I know it could be so much worse, this is really not bad at all)

user41796

There are certainly bad companies, no doubt about that. And there is some truth to the bad cycle aspect. Some folks from certain companies are literally unhirable elsewhere.

that and good companies have more competition- no degree likely hurts my ability to compete with the myriad of hiring filters, that's my own damn fault. Oops.

user41796

It likely does, yes.

user41796

I'd argue that it shouldn't, but that's arguing about what's ideal vs. what people do.

It would have to be pretty bad if they put the programmers in a reservation. At least you could open a casino.

7:19 PM

@psr It's "Relocation" and it's for jimmy's own good! The people around here don't like functional programmers! He'll be with his own kind.

@psr this wouldn't be that bad a situation, I'm pretty sure we as a species could likely run some very successful casinos.

@Ampt His own higher kinded types.

He also signed this contact written in assembly when we told him it was going to make him rich.

uuuggghhh someones either stress testing or playing with the rackspace servers and now I'm getting an email every 10 seconds from the monitoring software

@Ampt time to learn all about the cool auto-organizing-rulesets outlook has.

user41796

Close votes as Too Broad please: programmers.stackexchange.com/q/261478/53019

7:41 PM

1 more

user41796

A few more downvotes wouldn't hurt either. Makes it easier to delete off more quickly.

Ah I couldn't help myself. it's friday.

So tempted to answer "nope, not possible".

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A: Is it fundamentally possible to validate that an unmodified version of your client connects to your server?

Yes, this is certainly possible.

user41796

@psr Nah, we need another to counterbalance the claims

user41796

7:45 PM

Except you shouldn't provide the details and say it's covered under an NDA with your firm.

@jt0dd Fantastic! I've provided my answer for you :) — Ampt 7 secs ago

I mean theoretically you could do it... it would just be a massive undertaking and not worth anyones time

user41796

@Mike Sometimes techniques are locked up under corporate NDA and cannot be shared on a public Q&A site. The OP has made it very clear that they only expect a Yes | No answer. — GlenH7 11 secs ago

user41796

I see yours and I raise you one.

Hahahaha

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Q: Was this really a broad question?

I asked the question: Is it fundamentally possible to validate that an unmodified version of your client connects to your server? Which to me, looks like a very specific question to which the answer is either "Yes" or "No" and then: "Here's why." Below the question, I added detail to expla...

user41796

8:00 PM

Walking away from that one.

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A: Was this really a broad question?

Yes. The problem here is the "Here's why" part. You're fishing for an answer that tells you how to do it, but claim to be asking a yes/no question. You can't have it both ways. So really what your asking is "What methods can I use to secure my software against attacks on the client side" which ...

I got it

user41796

Virtual $1 bet says he argues with you.

user41796

But bonus points if you want to add to your answer and point out that he doesn't provide the opportunity for specific programming experience to back the answer (since it's just yes | no). So it's off-topic because it doesn't require programming experience to answer.

user41796

8:17 PM

upvotes please to bump this comment above the fold:

user41796

Relevant meta discussion: meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/6973/… — GlenH7 20 secs ago

8:30 PM

any 10Kers around interested in Tuple: toople or tuh-ple? "it's another Europe vs. America dispute", wow. Just looking for answers cost me 8 rep. "tuh-ple, no doubt" yeah! a wisdom worth 13 upvotes, no doubt

user41796

Needs a one or two more downvotes on the question and top scored answer. Then I'll cast a the third VTD which should get rid of it.

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user41796

Poof.

Haha as if I care about rep I spend downvoting crap. I'd do it for free.

user41796

Okay, fine, it was so I could get my precious, precious rep back. :-)

People are really sour that I answered that question.

8:39 PM

thank you guys!

user41796

@gnat yw

user41796

@Ampt You're still at a net positive on the answer though.

You keep using that word... — Ampt 5 secs ago

@GlenH7 this won't matter when the question will be deleted

user41796

I would delete off your comment about "Clearly 2 people doesn't represent everyone right?"

user41796

8:41 PM

@gnat Indeed. :-)

@GlenH7 why??

user41796

@Ampt Some might be misreading it and causing the additional downvotes. If you re-read the comment thread without that particular comment, it becomes more clear that you provided the yes | no that was being looked for. And then there are backing comments indicating why there isn't any detail.

OP is hearing what OP wants to hear haha

user41796

No doubt there.

8:58 PM

Ah well. The question is closed. I'm happy enough with that

user41796

@Ampt VTDs can be applied after it's been closed for a few days. It needs a -3 score for immediate VTDs

9:13 PM

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Q: Do answers that attract both positive and negative votes benefit the community?

I gave this answer to a question. It rapidly attracted a significant number of negative votes and negative comments, to the point where my first reaction was to delete the answer. I could improve it of course, and I did make some effort. What surprised me is that despite getting so many negative...

discussion reputation answers voting down-votes

9:25 PM

@jt0dd the technique that makes it possible isn't relevant to the question you asked. That said answers require explanation, though none would be possible for any answer to your question, deeming your question unanswerable within the guidelines of SE. Next time focus on an actual problem there aren't countless entire books written about — Jimmy Hoffa 13 secs ago

sometimes the key to proving a question is too broad to folks is just pointing out the specific entire section of technical knowledge devoted to answering it.

(doubtful it will work in this case, but whatever)

Looking through my flag history, I think my favorite at first skim is:

> Nukey McDeletenshit

here's a fun one that makes me feel like a magician because it actually worked

> Disappear!

9:41 PM

@gnat your logic: 100% invalid. My question is now, good specific, and on-topic. As the OP, I listened to suggestions and edited my question accordingly, exactly as I should have. You saying that it is a bad question is simply wrong. You're wrong gnat. (As usual) — jt0dd 46 mins ago

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@RobertHarvey I just wonder what's the point of keeping this around? unless I miss something, it made some sense only in the context of another deleted comment (my flag on it was declined)

@gnat What flag did you cast?

@RobertHarvey not constructive (slippery one I know - should be obsolete)

Oh, you mean on the comment? It is a meta site, after all.

9:45 PM

@RobertHarvey "what's the point of keeping this around?"

haha looking through flag history is fun... nov 26/27 I cast an absolute boatload of flags...

no idea why

Your medication levels must have been off that day.

@RobertHarvey or month... a few days earlier was a string of "Bleh! Let Robert handle it!"s, and a few days earlier a string of these, which I don't even understand:

> Batten the hatches, man the hedge, assault the louvre, beware the gorge!

(they were all deemed helpful, so... uhh, yeah.)

Oh, mercury poisoning.

Ask Tim Post about that sometime.

> Burn it with fire

that's always a classic... should use that more...

10:02 PM

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Q: Is it fundamentally possible to validate that an unmodified version of your client connects to your server?

I'm cross posting this question from Programmers.SE because I think it's equally on-topic here and would like to pose the question to this community as well. This seems like a programming question but it's really a fundamental security question. Is it fundamentally possible to validate that a...

hash server client-side

(on hot list)

Re that Meta question:

2 hours ago, by GlenH7

Walking away from that one.

24 mins ago, by gnat

@gnat your logic: 100% invalid. My question is now, good specific, and on-topic. As the OP, I listened to suggestions and edited my question accordingly, exactly as I should have. You saying that it is a bad question is simply wrong. You're wrong gnat. (As usual) — jt0dd 46 mins ago

^^^ what's the point of keeping this around?

when comment it addresses is deleted. Just open the question in browser in logged out mode and tell if it makes sense for readers

@RobertHarvey D! It's always D. C is so 70's... — Jimmy Hoffa 28 secs ago

psssh.

> deleted by Yannis Rizos♦ 3 mins ago

10:08 PM

@gnat Nobody sees deleted comments except diamonds.

@YannisRizos thanks

@RobertHarvey wrong. Some comments leave eternal deep scars in my heart no matter deleted or not. "Someone is wrong on internet"

@gnat Apparently, I also declined your flag. Hey, remember when you all thought it would be a good idea to give me a diamond? ;P

10klink programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/219045/…

cuz..

@RobertHarvey But they still see them in their dreams.

because flag history's are kinda funny to look back through

10:15 PM

@YannisRizos I want to revoke my mod elections vote now. Oh and while we're at it, I want to revoke a vote for Thomas for forgetting to remove homework dump. And revoke vote for anyone who ever declined my flag. jt0dd for moderator, he never declined my flags!

anybody here worked with bamboo?

@YannisRizos someone thought it was a good idea? I thought you got those votes out of a community dare with itself...

11:11 PM

@YannisRizos .... Mod Abuse? Just kidding. I owe you a shot of tequila.

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