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user55340

8:00 PM

@Ampt You do realize that the proper rep would actually be 31337?

Ampt

its been shortened in most canonical uses though

i mean technically it would be "elite" in english but that's not the wide-spread usage

user55340

@Ampt (thats the name of the product I'm working on... elite logistics)

Ampt

better be commented as "1337 l0g1st1c5" in the code bro

or at least project 1337

user55340

8:18 PM

@YannisRizos Who's the more foolish? The fool? or the fool who elects him?{/ob1}

Ampt

> One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. - Plato

Jimmy Hoffa

> The fool who persists in his folly will become wise. -William Blake

Yannis Rizos

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Q: UI, Algorithm or Web Programming

I am going to have a job in a programming company.It gave me some choices about what I would like to work in : 1 : UI Programming. 2 : Coding and programming (algorithms). 3 : ASP.NET (Web programming). I have some background in design, but I am more on programming and algorithms.Although the ...

(he forgot to ask a question ;)

Ampt

DESTROY

user55340

I still prefer my star wars refrence.

user55340

8:22 PM

►

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT A software engineer who can't spell reference? For shame.

user55340

@JimmyHoffa I can spell pointer just fine thank you... its references that confuse me. Smart, weak... what next? nerd reference (its a smart weak reference that most applications just ignore)?

user20683

I'm very tempted to add to the career/education close reason: "Important life decisions such as what route to take for your degree or what path to pick for your career should not be made by strangers on the Internet"

user55340

@WorldEngineer Sounds quite reasonable.

user55340

@Ampt you should go into visual basic programing... best career path ever.

Ampt

8:26 PM

user55340

why not both?

user55340

[ERROR] A class/interface with the same name "org.datacontract.schemas.....Location" is already in use. Use a class customization to resolve this conflict.
[ERROR] (Relevant to above error) another "Location" is generated from here.
[ERROR] Two declarations cause a collision in the ObjectFactory class.
[ERROR] (Related to above error) This is the other declaration.

user55340

Whee webservices!

Ampt

dude, just do it in RoR snicker

user55340

RoR doesn't like soap. Its more a 'json' thing... and well, the endpoint is soap not json.

Ampt

8:32 PM

theres a gem for that

user55340

I'm sure there is.

user20683

@MichaelT Where do you put the line between basic proficiency and intermediate in a language?

user20683

is it some arbitrary thing that will vary hugely?

user55340

@WorldEngineer sijinjoseph.com/programmer-competency-matrix

user55340

The oft quoted matrix.

Ampt

8:33 PM

that's such a large table...

user20683

aye but mine are weird

user55340

It is quite fuzzy... its more of knows where to look for the answer.

user20683

yeah

user20683

that I know scads of

user55340

Basic - needs to look to find out where to look to find the answer.

user20683

8:34 PM

the issue is more knowing it cold

user55340

Intermediate - goes right to the proper API.

user20683

I'm probably right on the border for Python and heading that way with Java

user55340

beginner "I want to do logging in java... search google for "logging java""
intermediate "search google for "slf4j" or "log4j""

user20683

ah

Ampt

really? knowing the most used APIs is what seperates the beginners from intermediates?

user20683

8:36 PM

Computer Vision Python vs SimpleCV

user20683

@Ampt know thine frameworks

Ampt

@WorldEngineer border? aren't you the one who corrected the guy who invented python?

user55340

@Ampt With such large a library based language, one can't be expected to memorize all the methods for String.

user55340

Knowing with libs are out there and going directly to them is key in getting what you want.

user55340

It also implies you know what you are looking for and some degree of how to use it.

Ampt

8:38 PM

interesting

I'm not disagreeing with knowing how to get to frameworks, but I wouldn't go from "Find a java logging framework -> log4j"

user55340

Thats where the IDE comes in so useful - it minimizes the "go search for API" time for the core language.

user20683

@Ampt you do realize that was entirely a joke correct?

Ampt

@WorldEngineer which part

user20683

all of it

user20683

I've never done work on Python's innards

Ampt

8:39 PM

so you didn't correct the guy who invented python?

user20683

nope

Ampt

ah, alright

user20683

you made the mistake and we ran with it ;)

Ampt

guess the joke was lost on me then

user55340

Consider that if you know what you're looking for, you've got a good API handling in any language.

user55340

8:40 PM

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A: How to design a log() method that can easily be accessed from the outside of the Console class?

The proper way to do this is to use a logging framework. The Apache (or ones modeled on) 'log4xyz' (where xyz is the language choice - log4j for java, log4net for .net, log4cpp for C++) is one of the more common styles. Since this is specifically about C++, I'll be referencing log4cpp (though I...

user55340

Thanks a lot, it's quite a bit of work but IMHO it's better than the default console, especially because of how slow that works. The game starts almost 2x faster since we made this console. Thanks and sorry for the late upvote. — Bugster Sep 14 at 9:00

user55340

Knowing how to do it, I was able to help someone improve the performance of his application - without digging into C++ too far.

user20683

aye

Ampt

guess I'm just a rookie then

Jimmy Hoffa

@WorldEngineer I draw the line firmly at "Can and has successfully worked in self-directed fashion on large scale feature-rich comprehensive application in language"

user55340

8:42 PM

It isn't about what you know, its about knowing how to find what you need to know - and having a direction for what.

user20683

@JimmyHoffa fair enough

Jimmy Hoffa

basic proficiency is "I can write an app and fiddle around in an app, I can read and write the code" intermediate is "I can and have produced functioning code in a robust real product which made it into production"

user20683

Like I said, I'm borderline with Python

user20683

okay, so I probably shouldn't bother with individual qualifications on my resume then

user20683

retinkering it

Ampt

8:44 PM

I know that feeling

user20683

just list "Haskell" and then let them figure out how much I know

Ampt

Like a recruiter is gonna know what the hell haskell is. Around these parts you mention "Pattern" and the recruiters start drooling

@JimmyHoffa you'll forgive me for listing design pattern knowledge on my resume

Jimmy Hoffa

@WorldEngineer bayesian is pronounces bays-ee-in or bay-ee-zhin ?

user20683

I pronounce it like "Asian but with more "B""

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt I list design principles on mine

I always thought it was the former; the guys name was bayes

user55340

8:48 PM

Bayes·ian adjective \ˈbā-zē-ən, -zhən\

user20683

So they are both valid

user20683

clearly English is an Enterprise-level application written entirely in Ruby.

user55340

@WorldEngineer everything2.com/user/m_turner/writeups/…

user55340

> Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.

user20683

@MichaelT been about 8 years since I last saw that one

Ampt

8:54 PM

looks like perfect german to me

user20683

@Ampt that's exactly the point

user55340

Well, its not german... and german has its own issues...

user55340

this was more of a 'multiple sounds from a single character or pair of characters'

user55340

> For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later.

user55340

> Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and Iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all.

user55340

8:58 PM

> Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli.

user55340

> Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.

user55340

@gnat a roomba suggestion on the SO close queue...

user55340

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Q: Get Community involved in the close process

It's been noted that the Stack Overflow close vote queue has a few questions in it. More generally, it appears as though the Stack Overflow community cannot keep up with the volume of questions that need closing. Community currently deletes questions after 30 days if they are negatively voted an...