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7:01 PM
@terdon Thanks for the response ! :)
@terdon Are we having issues here ? I wrote a comment which is gone ... and pictures in my answers don't show something ...
 
Where?
 
Yes:
An outage in Amazon's S3 is affecting display and upload of images on our sites, unrelated to the DDoS that we're still sustaining. #hugops
 
@terdon Thank you :)
Do you know that it is sometimes very hard to explain something to a user which has nearly no basic knowledge @terdon ? :)
 
@JacobVlijm @Zanna Perl can do it too askubuntu.com/a/888263/295286
 
7:10 PM
@Serg If I would have done that (posting the link) ... @JacobVlijm would have ... you know what you would have said - right Jacob ? :D But nevertheless +1 for your answer Sergiy ! :)
 
An outage in Amazon's S3 is affecting display and upload of images on our sites, unrelated to the DDoS that we're still sustaining. #hugops
 
@cl-netbox @Serg yeah, you are all crooks, and Serg is SOOO SLOOW. I am working on an answer, will look later...
 
@JacobVlijm Slow, but i mainly answer late because I live in different time zone and needs sleep. >:)
 
@Serg you are an oldtimer :)
 
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Q: Disadvantages to upgrading to postgres 9.6 on Ubuntu 16.04

mrszmolineAre there any disadvantages to upgrading PostgreSQL to 9.6 on Ubuntu 16.04, knowing that Ubuntu 16.04 officially supports PostgreSQL 9.5?

 
7:20 PM
@cl-netbox i post links because i like to show-off and @JacobVlijm knows that
 
^ I hear a confession :)
 
@terdon sempai, did i do good with my perl ? notice me sempai @_@
 
:P
I'm afraid you've already surpassed me, I don't know anything about that package. I have absolutely nothing to add to your answer apart from the upvote I already gave it.
 
^ liar
 
7:24 PM
@Serg no surprise :D
 
@ParanoidPanda Linus already addressed that, iirc, and already there is plan to transition away from sha1
 
@Serg does this mean thanks for the upvote ? :D :D :D
 
@cl-netbox effectively, yes
 
@Serg :)
 
can i plz become a sysadmin.now ? i am doing shell, perl, python, awk, even some GUI stuff
 
7:35 PM
seems not really answerable? askubuntu.com/questions/758178/…
 
user136984
@Serg: What about Subversion though? I still use that...
 
^ @Zanna that question remembered me I still had to shave today.
 
user136984
Maybe it's time to migrate to Git.
 
@Serg nice! downvoted
 
@ParanoidPanda dont use that so dont know
 
user136984
7:38 PM
@Serg: Why is it that I have such a strong association with you and Pandas? Did we ever talk about them or am I just going mad? Because every time I hear more Panda news I think "I must tell Serg about that"! :D
 
@cl-netbox I would ask the question "This morning when I rebooted, I suddenly found that I was booting up Trisquel GNU/Linux rather than Ubuntu, and I don't remember installing that!". I don't think that's been asked yet.
 
@ParanoidPanda because i speak Chinese and am a were-panda in wolf clothing
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@JacobVlijm haha a shave would do it good
 
@gracious1 Makes not much sense ... the main question is how to install ubuntu again - right ? also this would make you look stupid ... which you don't want - right ? :)
 
@JacobVlijm i saw that deleted message >:)
 
7:41 PM
@cl-netbox I see what you are saying here, but I think I will try doing it with the same /home . If it causes problems then perhaps I will do the clean install as a last resort.
 
Haha @Serg ssshhhh don't tell anyone
 
@cl-netbox "Also this would make you look stupid -- which you don't want - right ? :)"
I think it's too late for that
 
@gracious1 good ... I wish you best luck ! :)
 
:-)
 
user136984
@Serg: Ah... That would explain it! :D
 
7:42 PM
@gracious1 no it's not ... :) Only a few people know so far - but when it's on the main site ... someone wakes up with another system ... hahaha :)
 
user136984
@Zanna Well timed with Serg's message! ;D
 
@terdon @cl-netbox but by asking the stupid question, I found out that possibly the problem was due to my editing my sources.list in the first place, which I now know I will never do again
@cl-netbox I'm sure I will laugh about this next year. :/
 
@gracious1 Don't forget : that list is for ubuntu ONLY ! :)
@gracious1 yes I think so too ! :)
 
@cl-netbox We are agreed that possibly that line in sources.list was the cause? If so, it might be worth posting the question so that other clueless newbies will see they need to keep their paws off sources.list !
 
@ParanoidPanda Don't you talk to me anymore ? :D Good evening my friend ! :)
@gracious1 I saw your repos ... a MESS ... so many things must have caused the problems ! :D
 
7:47 PM
@cl-netbox It was a mess?
 
@gracious1 YES ... a MESS ... :D
 
@cl-netbox Well so many applications I have, they have their own repos. I mean, that's the only way you can use apt-get to update them.
 
yay, got my paycheck. I am rich enough to buy hamburgr @.@
 
@gracious1 from now on select carefully which repos you add ... many are not maintained anymore - example : tualatrix is depricated for a long time ... ubuntu tweak is dead ! :)
 
user136984
@cl-netbox: Got stuck in a VM just now! :D
 
user136984
7:50 PM
It wouldn't let my mouse out...
 
user136984
It just kept resetting it to the same position in the centre.
 
@ParanoidPanda :D :D :D
 
@cl-netbox Here is my sources.list . What should I delete? paste.ubuntu.com/24086000
@cl-netbox I think Ubuntu Tweak came with the installation. I am sure I didn't add that.
 
@gracious1 I gave you mine before ... please compare yourself
@gracious1 never ever :D
 
@cl-netbox You are using xenial , but otherwise, the URLs would be identical?
 
7:54 PM
@gracious1 no, I always use the latest stable ... yakkety as of now
 
@cl-netbox Ok, if you won't look at mine, show me yours again? (Your sources.list, that is)
@cl-netbox OK. But basically, the URLs are the same, they just replace the codeword?
 
cl@cl-uw-1:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
# deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 16.10 _Yakkety Yak_ - Release amd64 (20161012.2)]/ yakkety main restricted

# See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to
# newer versions of the distribution.
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu yakkety main restricted
# deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ yakkety main restricted

## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
## distribution.
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu yakkety-updates main restricted
@gracious1 you don't need them ... because when you install the new ubuntu you will have a clean list ... just change the server from local to main
 
how do you define, as a variable, the current file in SH?
 
$0?
 
@cl-netbox " just change the server from local to main" Is that something you can do through System Settings » Software & Updates ?
 
8:01 PM
@Zacharee1 cureent.file ? as.in.script itself or file that is being read ?
 
(Yes it occurred to me after I asked I wouldn't need them. BUt it's nice to have a reference.)
 
@gracious1 yes in Software & Updates or in sources.list
 
@Serg nvm about it
probably the most terrible way to do something
 
@cl-netbox Well I think I will avoid manually editing sources.list if that's okay with you. :D I don't want to wake up another morning and find I'm running Puppy Linux or something.
 
@Zacharee1 yes it is $0
 
8:01 PM
@Zacharee1 but you didnt even tell what you are trying to do
 
well I'm flashing a ZIP in TWRP, and TWRP is running this SH script when that happens
I want the SH script to refer to the ZIP it's inside
@Zanna so that? ^
 
zanna@monster:~/playground$ cat shhh
echo $0
zanna@monster:~/playground$ sh shhh
shhh
 
@gracious1 yes it's okay ... but removing the country from the entries is not difficult ... but in Software & Updates it's most easy ... Puppy Linux ... hahaha :D
 
lol
 
@Zacharee1 hmmm idk if it will work in a zip o.O
 
8:03 PM
yeah I need to get the containing ZIP
but I'm going to try a different approach
 
lemme test
omg
 
@Zacharee1 um . . . zipped files need to be.extracted, so as long as you extract the file in same dir as zip, you can call zip by filename . . .or by checking its contents and seeing if.script is.in zip file if there might be.multiple zips
 
sudo poweroff now ... goodbye everybody ... see you tomorrow ! :)
 
@cl-netbox That's actually a thing. puppylinux.org
 
@cl-netbox sleep well
 
8:05 PM
@cl-netbox Night. Thanks for your help.
 
@Serg thanks Sergiy ! :)
@gracious1 You're welcome ! :) Good luck with the installation ! :)
 
ok, imma go get my burger and coffee . . .@.@ i can afford food, yay
 
@Serg Bon Apetite ! :)
 
@terdon I want to thank you, too.
 
You're welcome :)
 
8:09 PM
I will write 1000 times on the blackboard: "Do not manually edit sources.list. "
@terdon cl-netbox said I shouldn't pose my question to the main site, but I can't help wondering if someone wouldn't learn something from my experience. (What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.)
 
@gracious1 Well, there are already dozens of questions by users who've messed up their sources. He's right in that it would be a dupe.
 
@gracious But I'll bet they didn't wake up and find they were running a completely different operating system from yesterday! :D
 
I suppose you could always post it and answer it in case anyone happens to add the specific line you did. It will still be closed as a dupe and some idiot might downvote you, but it might help some future user.
 
"Q: So I rebooted my computer, and found I was running Trisquel GNU/Linux. How did THAT get there?"
 
@Serg what does this function do:
resolve_link() {
  local RESOLVE=$1
  local RESOLVED=
  while (true); do
    RESOLVED=$(readlink $RESOLVE || echo $RESOLVE)
    if [ "$RESOLVE" = "$RESOLVED" ]; then
      echo $RESOLVE
      break
    else
      RESOLVE=$RESOLVED
    fi
  done
}
 
8:17 PM
@terdon It just occurred to me. There is a Windows partition, too. I don't need to worry about this right? The new Ubuntu will see it?
 
@Zacharee1 It breaks if you give it a file name containing spaces, that's what it does.
It also seems to be reinventing readlink -f.
 
SuperSU again
it is
 
It finds what a symlink is pointing to.
 
apparently readlink doesn't always work
 
Oh?
More likely the version of readlink that ships with Android doesn't have an -f option.
Anyway, that function will read a file name and, if it is a link, return what it points to. If it is a link to a link, it repeats until it finds something that isn't a link.
 
8:20 PM
ok
 
Imgur is busted?
 
so then I think I'm looking for this:
@NathanOsman yup as usual
unzip -o "$ZIP"
 
aws being down?
Imgur does this a lot though
 
@Zacharee1 apparently it is supposed to give back full path to file once it appears. Thats why infinite while loop is used. it nees sleep call though and is probably a poor but simple way to do it
 
8:23 PM
Apparently S3 was down earlier.
 
@Zacharee1 because it needs -e for.existing file
 
@terdon I will try to make this my last question. The "Install Ubuntu" website mentions having to use "install refind" if you have Mac OS. So I gather by implication that if I have a Windows partition, Ubuntu will see it automatically, nothing to worry about?
 
if I run unzip /file.zip -d /folder/ will the ZIP contents be extracted to /folder/ or will they be put under /folder/file/?
 
@Zacharee1 also , what terdon said。 not properly quoted
 
@Serg well I'm not using it
 
8:24 PM
*Does a happy dance because none of his websites are using Amazon S3.*
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:D
 
hue
it's apparently 8:24pm?
I thought all times showed locally in SE chat
 
looks like utc time
 
@Zacharee1 That's twitter, chat is just oneboxing it.
 
@Zacharee1 utc clock
 
@edwinksl you are on point as usual
 
8:26 PM
oh hi utc time observer
 
I know it's UTC time sheesh
sooo
3 mins ago, by Zacharee1
if I run unzip /file.zip -d /folder/ will the ZIP contents be extracted to /folder/ or will they be put under /folder/file/?
 
@Zacharee1 no u sheesh.lol
 
^
 
pls
 
> "What is amazon s3? Is it like the samsung galaxy s3?"
/facepalm
 
8:28 PM
huehuehue
will this code work:
 
@Zacharee1 that was (hue)³ instead
 
MISC=/tmp/misc

unzip "$ZIP" -d $MISC

cp $MISC/zip /sbin/zip
chmod 0777 /sbin/zip
 
why not mktemp?
 
Instead of a hardcoded /tmp/misc
 
8:30 PM
what's the syntax?
 
man mktemp :P
 
I'm on Windows
this is for Android
pls
 
Idk whether Android has such a thing though
 
idk either
it's a limited SH
 
8:31 PM
mktemp is its own thing
 
probably not then
 
It probably has it, yes.
 
or linux.die.net/man/1/mktemp to save you that one click
 
hey it does have it
@ByteCommander I don't see how that'll help me
 
Either way though, what is this supposed to do? cp "$misc/zip /sbin/zip?
 
8:32 PM
yes
sorry
 
Oh no, this actually makes "sense":
The whole internet is down... except Hillary Clinton's email server, because it's not hosted in the cloud. Who's laughing now? #Amazon #S3
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if that unzip command does what I think, it should unzip the contents of the ZIP and put them under /tmp/misc right?
 
not under /tmp/misc/zip?
 
woo! everything is on fire!
 
8:34 PM
@Zacharee1 Yes.
 
OK
 
But you are then copying a file called "zip" into /sbin. If you are trying to install zip on your android by taking the executable from another OS, it won't work.
 
@KazWolfe someone seems to like seeing the world internet burn...
 
@ByteCommander actually my office is in full panic mode
 
@terdon it's from another zip binary that someone else is using on their flashable ZIP
 
8:35 PM
of one of our servers goes down, it won't be able to come back up. And our entire system will fail entirely.
 
so it should work on Android
 
Oh, one more.
Looks like Amazon S3 is having some "alternative uptime". #s3outage
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:P
 
@Zacharee1 just get busybox , that thing has tons of utils
 
I have it
but it doesn't have zip anymore
still has unzip
and it has gzip
 
well shiz
 
8:40 PM
but I need zip
 
8:52 PM
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Q: How do I install a specific version of reiserfsprogs?

P.Brian.MackeyMy goal is to meet the requirements to compile the Linux kernel. I need reiserfsprogs >= 3.6.3. I ran sudo apt-get install reiserfsprogs. Then reiserfsck -V says 3.6.24. I then ran apt-cache showpkg reiserfsprogs and it gave Versions: 1:3.6.24-3.1 (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.c...

 
xda website has more popup ads than any xxx site, juueeezzz
@Zacharee1 is adb shell ok ?
 
no
gotta use recovery
I have a zip binary that I can use though
 
AWS is slowly coming back online.
 
well ok....i dont.know enough about android to figure it out
 
@Serg how would I find a file matching a string and return the path to a variable?
like find SystemUIMods--LGV20--EXP.zip
 
8:58 PM
find . -name 'name.zip'
. is for current dir
also typing on phone, so expect.me to be slow
 
can't you leave the . away then?
 
on gnu find you can, but not on solaris iirc
 
confirmed yes you can leave it out on Ubuntu. '.' is the implicit default location
 
actually, if you dont need to recursively search, you can just use shell loop
@ByteCommander yes, becsuse ubantu find is ganu find
 
Recursion is almost always a bad thing.
 
9:02 PM
@NathanOsman unless you are calculating a factorial
 
You can do that with a loop.
 
or traversing a tree
 
And the loop will be faster.
@Serg You can do that with a loop and a stack as well.
 
@NathanOsman anything you do in loop can be done with recursion. compsci 101
 
@NathanOsman tell that a Lisp programmer...
 
9:03 PM
Benefits: (1) much easier to abort a loop than a recursive chain (2) faster (3) impossible to overflow the stack
 
There are still whole languages built on the concept of recursion.
 
Also, recursion requires a separate function - loops do not.
They can be inserted wherever they are needed.
 
19
Q: What are the advantages and disadvantages of recursion?

JeekaWith respect to using recursion over non-recursive methods in sorting algorithms or, for that matter, any algorithm what are its pros and cons?

 
> "The main advantage of recursion is that for problems like tree traversal it make the algorithm a little easier or more "elegant"."
Elegant, yes. Slower, also yes.
 
@NathanOsman having separate function isnt much of a problem. I frequently moo-ve loops into functions
 
9:07 PM
Unless the recursive function is simple enough to be inlined by the compiler, every single recursion level will require arguments to be pushed onto the stack and popped when the function returns. A loop may even allow the compiler to skip the stack altogether and just use registers.
 
@NathanOsman if we can afford to use memory, which is the case on most modern computers, then why not. Also, what the article said - it is easier to do tree traversal in recurdion
faxing phone keyboatds
 
yay it works
 
Traversing a tree in a loop.
 
@Serg how do you get the date in SH?
actually nvm
 
9:27 PM
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Q: Is there any SCP program available for Ubuntu?

Pilot6I need a program that can manage files on a remote device running Linux using SCP. The remote device runs OpenWrt. On Windows there is a perfect one WinSCP. it is weird that there is no native program that can be used. The program should be able to: list files copy and move files to/from the d...

Why everyone keeps telling me it is a duplicate?
I am asking is it possible to do it the way I need. Even if it is not, it is a valid question.
 
Hello
 
9:44 PM
250 EHLO
 
is this valid?
SOURCE=/system/priv-app/$APP_NAME/$APP_NAME.apk
 
@KazWolfe You are using a client command with a server response...
 
@NathanOsman I am.
 
EHLO someclient
250 someserver Welcome to the server
^--- how it actually works
 
@Zacharee1 @Serg
 
10:06 PM
WAT.
Captcha required. Please prove that you are human.
 
that's creepy...
i'm listening to that song right now.
 
not the video, just spotify but still...
 
That's still creepy.
 
What happened here?
http://askubuntu.com/posts/888301/revisions
I see. They edited the Ubuntu Gnome link back
Should the Ubuntu Gnome link exist in that post?
 
10:15 PM
@luk3yx No, I triggered a rollback and will keep a watch on that post.
 
@KazWolfe Okay, thank you.
 
np
 
@KazWolfe Further investigation reveals that it's a duplicate.
 
@NathanOsman /me wonders all the time where the colorful pins are that show what drum to hit, then realizes that there are three pixels or so at the end of the "road" where they are visible...
 
10:33 PM
@Serg thanks for the tornado watch...this is all your fault...
 
Looks like it's coming fast.. Gotta go!
 
10:46 PM
@NathanOsman oh wow, I guess I know what work is using now...
 
> IRC contributions are highly regarded in the selection for IRC Council members, but are not essential.
in the email about electing new IRC council memebers. wat.
 
11:16 PM
O.o
 
user136984
That's strange.
 
user136984
Anyway, goodnight! :)
 
11:45 PM
Hi anybody here?
 
somewhat
 
I was going to download Ubuntu 16.04 to a thumb (flash) drive, and then boot from that to do an installation.
But the system requirements say 25 GB, and I only have 16 GB. Does the 25 apply even if I am only "trying without installing" ?
 
25 GB is the full install requirements
I think the Ubuntu ISO can fit quite comfortably on a 2 GB drive, still.
You'll be fine with a 16GB drive
 
okay.
How do I download just the ISO. It looks like when I go to the download page it's all for full install.
 
The ISO is the installer.
 
11:49 PM
Okay, so if I click the giant "Download" button, what do I get?
 
When on the drive, Ubuntu's gonna be nice and small. It's only once you actually install it will it need that 25GB on your install hard drive.
You'll get the install ISO
 
ah, okay.
Thank you @KazWolfe
 
np
 
What I need to do is reformat the partition I am using for Ubuntu because of the problems I am having, so it's sort of a clean install, but not entirely because I'm using my same home directory, which is in a different partition.
So I'm assuming I can do that with the ISO.
 

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