Ask Ubuntu General Room

12:52 AM

@NathanOsman @Seth @RPiAwesomeness working on something cool, I think I'm going to try and make a browser for the ubuntu phone, here is a picture of what ive been messing with:

Seth

@Mateo wow! That's a big undertaking

but cool!

Mateo

so far it just has the tabs hard coded, followed a tab tutorial for qml

Zacharee1

@Mateo Why are you using Google? You really should be using Google.

Mateo

oh, maybe I should start and hard code all tabs to the different search engines - if you want to use a new tab you need to switch search engines ;)

Zacharee1

1:10 AM

lol

Videonauth

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Q: What's the purpose of a gadget snap in Ubuntu Core?

I've been looking into how to set up Ubuntu Core (the IoT version of Ubuntu) on a Raspberry Pi, and I've read about gadget snaps, which the documentation says is intended to define the device features: The gadget snap is responsible for defining and manipulating the system properties which ar...

if anyone wants to attempt to answer just holler at me, i can invite you to the closed beta

Mateo

developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/gadget-snaps

Videonauth

yeah the OP quotes those pages too but asking further, im unable to answer it with lots of foundation since i never used snap packes till now

so i rather invite someone to the closed beta to IoT stackexchange instead of writing crap there :))

Mateo

1:25 AM

I think it is for defining what the individual board can do - I would think the gpio access might fall into that category

Videonauth

yeah kinda like a bios bundled together with a bootloader

I've been looking into how to set up Ubuntu Core (the IoT version of Ubuntu) on a Raspberry Pi, and I've read about gadget snaps, which the documentation says is intended to define the device features:

The gadget snap is responsible for defining and manipulating the system properties which are specific to one or more devices that will usually look similar to one another from an implementation perspective.

What's the motivation for having a gadget snap? Can the information not be obtained through normal system features such as lshw, or is there another reason for this (perhaps security or …

Mateo

otherwise they are going for extreme security with ubuntu core

Videonauth

well im still so 2014 :p

using a normal web server :p

^.^

Mateo

if he wants he can just install ubuntu server, and install snaps on that

that is basically what the nextcloud box did

although I wonder if they finally made core images for it...

Nathan Osman

1:45 AM

@Videonauth that's kind of like what Android does.

Videonauth

well i posted the queestion text here

Nathan Osman

I'm mobile right now.

Videonauth

we could definetively need more people in the beta

RPi Awesomeness

@Mateo Ooooo, fancy!

I wish I had to do stuff like that. But high school + work + college prep means I have very little time for side projects, unfortunately ;(

Windows 3.1

2:14 AM

hey @NathanOsman

Nathan Osman

2:37 AM

So... does anyone know of an alternative for Shazam that isn't spyware? Basically anything that does acoustic fingerprinting.

Seth

@NathanOsman Google Now?

muru

3:00 AM

@Seth thoughts on askubuntu.com/posts/859591/revisions, askubuntu.com/posts/859676/revisions, askubuntu.com/posts/854364/revisions

Seth

@muru is he trying to bump?

muru

@Seth yes, a couple of days ago I'd flagged askubuntu.com/questions/857525/… for the same behaviour

Seth

@muru hmm, I'll talk to the mod who handled that flag. that kind of bumping isn't ok though

muru

@Seth it was Thomas, and he put a stop to it quickly enough

Just wanted to alert mods that this doesn't seem to be one-off

Seth

ah, just noticed they were different OPs. Or at least different accounts.

Yeah thanks for the heads up. Thomas' comment is good.

muru

3:05 AM

Oh, they are, but they have commented on each others' posts with some familiarity, so one probably learned this from the other

Nathan Osman

@Seth wait, Google Now can do that?

What do I have to do to make that work?

Seth

@NathanOsman you can either ask it "what song is playing" or press the mic icon and after the popup panel opens for a few seconds a musical note will appear in the bottom right corner, tap it.

@NathanOsman:

(from: fieldguide.gizmodo.com/…)

Nathan Osman

@Seth Sweet, thanks.

Seth

@NathanOsman np!

TheXed

3:21 AM

hi

hi

Sup?

Not much.

Cool

^--- super verbose conversation

TheXed

3:28 AM

@NathanOsman good talk man...

Keijo D Putt

4:13 AM

Good Evening/morning/afternoon @all

Nathan Osman

Hello.

Keijo D Putt

<--- lurks for a while

edwinksl

4:54 AM

still editing tags to bump post askubuntu.com/posts/859676/revisions

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, pattern-matching website in answer: Resolution problem(1440x900) stuck by craighaynes on askubuntu.com

Windows 3.1

6:01 AM

excl ama tiona lp oin the l oo

Nathan Osman

@Windows3.1 hello.

Windows 3.1

@NathanOsman how's it going

Nathan Osman

@Windows3.1 Good.

@Windows3.1 Nice photo.

Windows 3.1

:D

Nathan Osman

Did you take that?

Windows 3.1

6:05 AM

@NathanOsman no

it's default with zorin os 12

Nathan Osman

Ah.

Ask Ubuntu Meta

7:15 AM

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Q: installing Ubuntu software in unity 8

how can i install Ubuntu software in unity 8. via-terminal or apt-URL anything will work. currently using libertine app for installing apps Thanks in advance.

feature-request bug

Zanna

7:28 AM

@AskUbuntuMeta off topic...

@edwinksl hmm someone answered it... but that post should be deleted imho

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: Comparison on FIFA 17 and PES 2017 by bobgull on askubuntu.com

edwinksl

@Zanna someone up there needs to talk to OP

Zanna

7:57 AM

@edwinksl commented... and voted to delete the post

edwinksl

:D

Zanna

anything else want deleting? I have two more votes and I should use them before I hit the LQP queue, because it eats them

SmokeDetector

11:16 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer: What are dependencies? by 123 on askubuntu.com

Serg

12:41 PM

@Zacharee1 hey, I've an Ubuntu idea misspelling for you: UNbuntu, and OS that undoes everything that Windows did to your computer

terdon

@NathanOsman Spyware? Is Shazam spyware? What does it do?

Thijser

1:34 PM

ugh I somehow do not have permission to my home folder anymore

sudo chmod -R 666 /home/thijser/
chmod: changing permissions of '/home/thijser/': Operation not permitted
chmod: cannot read directory '/home/thijser/': Permission denied

@terdon shazam is the app that listens to music and identifies it right? Therefor it must be sending a lot of sound data back home?

fossfreedom

@Thijser have you accidentally removed yourself from the admin group? Suggest create a new admin user via recovery - askubuntu.com/questions/161074/…

Thijser

sudo apt-get install still works though

Also this is a server

uid=1003(thijser) gid=1003(thijser) groups=1003(thijser),27(sudo)

fossfreedom

is /home/thijser mounted somewhere else? e.g. a NAS or something else?

Thijser

Not that I'm aware but I have never seen the actual machine that it runs on (I know it has two quite beefy graphics cards and probably sits in an office)

fossfreedom

k - just wondering if the /home drive has been unmounted.

Zanna

1:42 PM

@Thijser sounds like you have chowned your homedir?

Thijser

that might have happened, any way to fix it?

Zanna

also, if you actually ran chmod -R 666 /home/thijser you would BREAK A LOT OF STUFF, please DO NOT DO THAT

Thijser

(I have to share this system with others)

Zanna

please run echo $USER

Thijser

ok it was suggested somewhere in on this site so I will downvote that suggestions

echo $USER
thijser

Zanna

1:44 PM

awesome

and echo $HOME

Thijser

/lhome/thijser

Zanna

double awesome

now please run sudo chown -R $USER: $HOME

Thijser

ok

Zanna

can you access now?

Thijser

no

note that /lhome and /home seem like different folders

Zanna

1:46 PM

oh!

I didn't see the /lhome - how did that come about?

Thijser

I don't know it used to be /home

Zanna

can you run stat /home/thijser?

Thijser

But there are 4 other users who also use this system

Zanna

o.O

Thijser

File: '/home/thijser'
Size: 4096 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 32768 directory
Device: 2eh/46d Inode: 27394049 Links: 9
Access: (0750/drwxr-x---) Uid: ( 1501/ thijser) Gid: ( 100/ users)
Access: 2016-12-12 02:56:05.107054089 +0100
Modify: 2007-12-04 10:36:04.000000000 +0100
Change: 2014-02-21 20:57:57.420005137 +0100
Birth: -

(all 4 have full sudo rights)

(oh and there is someone in charge of hardware but he just logs as root)

Note that it says modify 2007 but I only got this account two months back

Zanna

1:49 PM

your uid is 1003 but the uid of /home/thijser owner is 1501

someone has messed stuff up...

run sudo chown -R $USER: /home/thijser

Thijser

chown: cannot read directory '/home/thijser': Permission denied

terdon

@Thijser Yes and, apparently, it "sends phone-identifying information to iTunes." but I don't know how that would work with Android.

Zanna

hmmmmm

cannot read directory, when do we get that error....?

terdon

@Thijser what's the output of ls -ld /home?

Thijser

drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 0 Dec 12 14:54 /home

terdon

1:56 PM

OK, and ls -ld /home/thijser ?

Thijser

drwxr-x--- 9 thijser users 4096 Dec 4 2007 /home/thijser

Zanna

but that thijser is not you

according to id output

terdon

Yep. Are you using LDAP or something like that for user management?

Thijser

But when I log in I am instantly greated with a message that /home/thijser/torch/install/bin/torch-activate: Permission denied

terdon

That would make sense if you're not logging in as the right user. And, apparently, you aren't.

Zanna

1:59 PM

but if you have sudo rights you should be able to chown that directory. you can stat it, so it's not the lack of x permission on the parent directory, so idk what's wrong

Thijser

Maybe if I su into thijser 1501?

terdon

We need to know if there is some sort of user management tool in use. LDAP or similar. We also need to know if the /home directory is being exported from another machine where the user thijser is 1003 and not 1501

Thijser

ok I don't know if we have LDAP running how would I check?

terdon

@Thijser the best thing for you is to ask a question on the site (assuming this is an Ubuntu system). Include the symptoms (what happens when you log in etc), the output of all the commands we've asked for here and of df /home and df /home/thijser as well as the output of grep thisjer /etc/password.

How does one check for LDAP? I don't know.

Thijser

ok I'm going to poke it a bit then

David Foerster

2:05 PM

Hi all!

Thijser

by the way any of you know where the config for source are stored I believe that that might provide an answer

terdon

@Thijser Config for source?

Zanna

hi @DavidFoerster :)

David Foerster

I'm looking for 1) insight why askubuntu.com/questions/856389/… was closed as a duplicate and/or 2) re-open votes because I disagree with that (see comments for explanation).

Thijser

Well when you use source (something) and it then adds those commands to the command line, I was messing with that last time I used it and it's complaining on boot that it cannot find a certain folder

terdon

2:09 PM

@Thijser ??? That doesn't make much sense. The source command only affects the current shell session. Unless you sourced something that runs an external program which could do anything. There is no config for source, it's a shell builtin and just reads and executes any commands in the file you give it in the current shell session.

Jacob Vlijm

....weirdest thing ever, the command xrandr does nothing for 10 seconds, then finally shows output on 16.10 anyone else having the issue?

David Foerster

@Videonauth Awesome! That limits the search space to the number of user accounts. Let's hope we can find the password hash database somewhere… or if they only limit the rate of log-in attempts per account we're good too. Just gotta find a bot net to circumvent the per-source limit.

Jacob Vlijm

...though my script was cripple..

Zanna

@JacobVlijm I get the output instantly

Jacob Vlijm

@Zanna on 16.10?

Zanna

2:12 PM

yeah

Jacob Vlijm

@Zanna Thanks for trying! Maybe I should reinstall, having issues with this one from the beginning...

Serg

@JacobVlijm are you calling it from python script or running just xrandr in command line ?

Zanna

@JacobVlijm awww sorry to hear that. It's behaved well for me so far

Jacob Vlijm

@Serg, both ways

Zanna

@DavidFoerster :S probably I misunderstood something - I thought Touch Bar was something unavoidable in this new range of Apple hardware. Is that not so?

Jacob Vlijm

2:15 PM

...After looking for an error in my script, I finally ran it in terminal. Having a question mark above my head now :)

Serg

@JacobVlijm very odd, because if it's from python script, you could try flushing stdout, but if it does so in command-line then something is wrong, majorly

Thijser

ah apparently someone copied all home folders to the lhome folder and this didn't break a lot of things except for the fact that my bashrc scripts refers to the /home folder several times, I ran a find and replace and now it works

Jacob Vlijm

@Serg, Yeah I think so. I am not sure if this 16.10 was from a beta, or an official one. Shouldn't make a difference, but still...

Thijser

Now to find out whose head I have to bash in

David Foerster

@Zanna No. You can still use the MacBook without the touch bar. It's just an additional input (and output) method. There are still a screen, a keyboard, and a (more or less) regular touch pad as a pointing device.

Zanna

2:17 PM

In that case, voting to reopen & my apologies

Serg

Dear Sergiy,
Thank you for considering employment with **redacted**. We regret to inform you that we are currently considering other candidates for the position of IT Intern

well, sh*t . . .

Jacob Vlijm

...Shoot

@Serg No Greece yet? I still owe you some Chinese food.

Serg

@JacobVlijm Nope, still too broke to come to Greece. As you can see, i don't have proper employment to save up for a ticket heh

Jacob Vlijm

;(

Serg

#will_code_for_food?

Zanna

2:25 PM

umm... this is impossible right? askubuntu.com/review/first-posts/652998

Thijser

Perhaps you can sell karma for food?

David Foerster

@Serg I recently noticed that my town (Berlin) has heaps of Eastern Europeans and especially Russians in its IT industry.

@Thijser :-D

Jacob Vlijm

@Serg Berlin is great.

Serg

@DavidFoerster interesting trend. Wondering what would explain that.

David Foerster

@Zanna Strictly speaking, yes, but there are multiple ways to still achieve what OP wants, e. g. moving files around and/or managed volumes.

Serg

2:28 PM

@JacobVlijm never been there myself but I've a cousin who lives there.

Zanna

@DavidFoerster In that case I'm going to click im-done on trust that you are going to answer that question ;)

David Foerster

@Serg I'd say 1) a flourishing industry, 2) a city with a culture open to well qualified (!) foreigners, 3) cheap to moderate cost of inner city living for a metropolis.

Jacob Vlijm

True ^

Zanna

I hear Berlin is awesome for vegans :)

TheXed

hi

David Foerster

2:31 PM

@Zanna Yep. Lot's of "hip" people with alternative lifestyles here – both the old-style hippies from the 60s and 70s as well as the millenial generation hipsters.

Thijser

The Netherlands are also in need of some extra ICT people, please I need someone to take all of the recruiter spam of my back

David Foerster

If I walk 10 minutes from my flat to a large square and traffic intersection (road and underground railway) the only German speakers you'll encounter are the punks. Everybody else speaks mostly Turkish or English.

(Hence why the area is called Little Istanbul)

Videonauth

3:08 PM

@DavidFoerster well you sure it limits the search space ? you still have to brute the passwords, it just prevents a user having the same passwords

muru

Closegoat: askubuntu.com/questions/859882/…

repost of deleted askubuntu.com/posts/859676/revisions

Videonauth

and if you enforce complex enough passwords ok you gift them maybe up to 7 billion guesses out of ~250.000.000 billion guesses

David Foerster

@Videonauth Yes, it limits the search space because you already know that this password is used by at least one other user. Now you're not guessing passwords any more; you're guessing user accounts. ;-]

Videonauth

I think IMO youre on a wrong path thought wise let me explain:

take for example this password i just generated : :j!3"O[6$wAqhKB

it takes you a lot of guesses if you not knwow how long the password is

in faxt more guesses as you have life time

it contains no: characters in sequence, no keyboard sequences, no abc or digit sequences, and appears in none of the password lists (dicts) i have here at my disposal

it will take you est. 20'080'263'480'999 years (with 2'000'000'000 Tests/Sec)

for a brute force atempt and if youre really lucky and get it you have only one of that db

David Foerster

I don't understand your point. It doesn't matter how the password was generated or how it looks like because you already know the password: it's the one you just tried to set as your account password. What you don't know is which other user account uses this password already but you can be certain that there is such a user account (or at least was when you attempted to set the password).

Videonauth

3:21 PM

no chance to have more of this db guessses because every pw is uniqe

well if you look at pw lists you always have someone using {]possible number seq}password{]possible number seq}

if you really wanna guess you are in with at least a few hundred guesses

theres always one using it

or god, sex, etc

simply dont make the output that verbose, check against all occured wordlists of breaches

edwinksl

still using the same tag editing tactic to bump post askubuntu.com/posts/859882/revisions. can a mod please look into this?

Videonauth

i have here about 10 gig wordlists meanwhile

out of recent breaches

David Foerster

@muru: You're showing up in the LQ review queue: askubuntu.com/questions/859829/…

@Videonauth Why would you need to perform a dictionary attack if you already know the password.

Videonauth

lets say the output isnt that verbose. and doesnt tell you that the password was taken somewhere else worldwide

anyways this was a gag, remember the (name taken procedure which can drive you insane)

David Foerster

I understand it was meant as a joke but I don't think it's a joke at all. There are heaps of authentication systems in the wild that don't allow duplicate passwords which is a terrible idea because it's 1) unnecessary, 2) confusing and 3) incredibly unsafe.

muru

3:34 PM

@DavidFoerster given the question, well...

Tariiq Henry Bbosa

git update-index --chmod=+x composer.phar '' What is the equivalence of that statement in windows?

Thomas Ward

uhm

git is git

@TariiqHenryBbosa in Windows, you lose the permissions stuff - it doesn't understand Linux permissions schemas

David Foerster

@muru I didn't mean to criticise your answer. I think it's on point.

Thomas Ward

you can try the same command, or you can chmod +x it on a Linux VM/system and then push that change

muru

@DavidFoerster I know, thanks for the heads up. Not much of a loss if it gets deleted, anyway, the other answers covers it well

Tariiq Henry Bbosa

3:45 PM

I got the answer on stackoverflow

I am trying to do a git push on heroku but i am failing

getting this Error : ERROR: File '/composer.phar' isn't executable; please 'chmod +x'!

Can anyone educate me wwhy? and how to solve it?

I got answers like git commit -m 'composer.phar removed' and then git push heroku master but all is not working

I tried to change permisions on composer.phar to everyone but still no change

Nathan Osman

Ohai.

This weather though...

m.imgur.com is down.

Thomas Ward

@TariiqHenryBbosa Run chmod +x composer.phar on the server you have cloned the git data to

Add something else to the code too, even if it's just a space character, and then commit after to remove it

@TariiqHenryBbosa the secondary issue is you're on Windows

you can't do a chmod on Windows

because Windows doesn't support it

so it doesn't catch that mode change

Tariiq Henry Bbosa

okay i have a virtual maching with linux

can i use that

Nathan Osman

@ThomasWard well there's no chmod command anyway.

You can simulate it with ACLs though.

Tariiq Henry Bbosa

Nathan Can you give me the actual command

that i can run on windows

Thats wht i want?

Thomas Ward

3:58 PM

@NathanOsman True, but they want to do it at the git level on a Windows environment

but I don't think they can

Tariiq Henry Bbosa

Okay

Nathan Osman

@TariiqHenryBbosa my point is that there is no command.

Thomas Ward

@TariiqHenryBbosa You can't, on Windows

Nathan Osman

Tariiq Henry Bbosa

Okay i get it

Nathan Osman

3:59 PM

^--- what I woke up to

Thomas Ward

@TariiqHenryBbosa if you need a single file chmodded for a git repository, I would do that chmod on a Linux box, push that up to the repository, and then go on using Windows as you see fit

Tariiq Henry Bbosa

So the next option is i have a virtual machine with Backbox linuc

Thomas Ward

@NathanOsman Pretty, either way

Videonauth

@fossfreedom well done: omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/12/…

Thomas Ward

@NathanOsman can I use that as a wallpaper on my tablet?

Zanna

4:00 PM

@NathanOsman looks magic. Weather just grim in London

Nathan Osman

@ThomasWard of course.

Thomas Ward

steals image

fossfreedom

@Videonauth twitter works!

Videonauth

:))

Nathan Osman

Stupid bus is late.

fossfreedom

4:07 PM

taxi!

Thomas Ward

Uber!

Cheaper than Taxi

and you usually won't have problems understanding the driver and what they're saying

terdon

uhm. OK. That's just a tad xenophobic isn't it?

David Foerster

@terdon: I don't see what's xenophobic about the practical necessity vs. ability to talk with a service provider.

terdon

A tad.

Thomas Ward

@terdon no, i have no issues with the people themselves, or their language, or the fact they're from another country. I may be a tad xenophobic in the sense that I like to understand more clearly what one is saying

terdon

4:15 PM

OK

Thomas Ward

but i have nothing against their people, just like to be able to understand what i'm being asked

working helpdesk at a university with a lot of foreign students helps

David Foerster

Just because I'm trying to figure out a way to work with (or around) a lack of communication with a certain group of people doesn't mean I'm opposed to their existence or their presence around me.

Videonauth

@fossfreedom do you plan on an armf build too ?

David Foerster

Also, phobias aren't generally bad. That's only the case if they aren't based on reality (or what society agrees is real). My (hypothetical) deadly fear of spiders is very justified if I'm surrounded by deadly spiders.

fossfreedom

@Videonauth will automatically come for free with 17.04

Videonauth

4:20 PM

cool will give it a spin then on my PI

Nathan Osman

@terdon I thought I remember reading somewhere that it was monitoring what you tagged and then randomly displaying notifications for similar music.

David Foerster

In a similar fashion, my concern that I might not receive good service because I can't communicate effectively with the service provider is very justified if a significant portion of them doesn't speak my language well enough. I don't even have to care about the cause for their (or my) ineptitude.

Nathan Osman

I definitely remember uninstalling it out of frustrating for something intrusive.

fossfreedom

@Videonauth should clarify - the full ubuntu budgie will come armf compatible ... the minimal install will not.

Videonauth

@fossfreedom well then i have to strip it to be a minimal :)) shouldnt be that big of a problem (hopefully)

fossfreedom

4:23 PM

would love to work with someone who has a PI to see if it is possible to get budgie-desktop to work.

Thomas Ward

@fossfreedom i've got a pi2 lying around

fossfreedom

budgie-desktop is available for armf in 16.10 right now - packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/budgie-core

Videonauth

I could give it a spin on a second card, just have to get me a monitor cable thou, im actually running headless because of that

Thomas Ward

i'll have to install an SD card, but I don't have one.

:P

Videonauth

@fossfreedom will dabble with it a bit tho will let you know of my findings

fossfreedom

4:26 PM

if you guys are interested - just shout - would love to help to see if these little beauties will work with budgie-desktop

Seth

@fossfreedom is armf the same as armv7, like the pi uses?

(or armv6, which the older pi's use)

Thomas Ward

@Seth no Ubuntu still exists for armv6

armv7+ for armhf/armel

only Debian has an armv6 variant I think

Benny

4:57 PM

armv6 , 7 is the processor for android device ?

wiki say:

The ARM architectures used in smartphones, PDAs and other mobile devices range from ARMv5 to ARMv7-A, used in low-end and midrange devices, to ARMv8-A used in current high-end devices. ARMv7 includes a hardware floating-point unit (FPU), with improved speed compared to software-based floating-point.

Serg

well, uh . . .this was terrible semester . . . By far the worst I've had

Seth

@Benny it's a mobile processor architecture

Videonauth

5:23 PM

zdnet.com/article/…

Serg

5:39 PM

I'm just gonna barricade myself in my room and sleep. I'm done. So very very done.

and please don't let anyone call me and ask how were finals or how was the semester. I am not emotionally stable to answer calmly

TheXed