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user136984

9:00 PM

@ByteCommander Right, installing the latest drivers is not an option for me as they cause absolute disaster on my machine. Is there not another solution or a package to report this under?

Byte Commander

Huh? Why?

TheXed

@Mateo just trying to sell my car...

Mateo

Ah, probally was on lunch and pulled up the webpage @TheXed ...

user136984

@ByteCommander: Are you replying to me or someone else?

TheXed

@Mateo what webpage?

user136984

9:01 PM

:D

Mateo

this one?

TheXed

me?

I am confused...

Mateo

no my lunch was around 10, when you pinged me when i was not here ;)

Byte Commander

@ParanoidPanda Only you, my dear :)

WiFi is buggy again...

TheXed

@Mateo oh, I don't remember pinging you, did I need something?

Mateo

9:04 PM

you just said my name with a !

user136984

@ByteCommander: Right, what were you asking why about? Why is was a disaster or something else?

user136984

It's a disaster because just everything is really jumpy and all the graphics are really bad.

Serg

i think I'll pursue scripts badge

I'm close on silver

user136984

Do I need the missing firmware because I didn't need it previously with the 4.4 kernel.

Mateo

also this is landing, it is awesome:

user136984

9:07 PM

What would it be anyway? Is it like just a graphics driver thing or something?

Mateo

Yay, "new window" button

Byte Commander

@ParanoidPanda Those warnings were there for me with 4.4 on 16.04 already.

Are you sure installing them makes your graphics worse?

what CPU and GPU/graphics cards do you have?

If you have an Intel Skylake CPU (with integrated Intel HD graphics) or older, you can ignore the warnings.

Serg

@terdon what do you think of my answer askubuntu.com/a/839826/295286 Do i handle error checking close to what OP wants ?

David Cole - Grammar Police

Windows blew up my processor...

Byte Commander

@ParanoidPanda Your warnings are only about Kabylake and Broxton firmware. If you don't have one of those chip families, you can ignore the warnings.

Fun fact: One of the next Intel CPU generations will have the code name Coffee Lake

user136984

9:17 PM

@ByteCommander: I'm certain, I've installed them twice already and my graphics almost completely broke.

TheXed

@Mateo oh yeah I remember now...

I was just clowning around...

user136984

How do I check about the firmware you mentioned?

Byte Commander

So what HW do you have?

inxi -G

TheXed

@ByteCommander better then skylake?

Byte Commander

what?

TheXed

9:18 PM

What are they going to code name 17.10? Alpha Alphabet?

Byte Commander

I suggested Arty Antelope.

TheXed

@ByteCommander I was referring to your comment about coffee lake...

Byte Commander

Well, who knows?

Only time will tell.

TheXed

@ByteCommander Oh I think it should be "Absolute Awesomeness"

Terrance

Would that make 18.04 then "Best 'buntu"?

TheXed

9:22 PM

@Terrance I like it...

user136984

@ByteCommander:

user136984

Graphics:  Card: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: fbdev,intel (unloaded: vesa)
           Resolution: 1366x768@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 12.0.3

user136984

@ByteCommander: So? :)

TheXed

You can unvote votes?

user136984

@TheXed: Yes

TheXed

9:24 PM

How long have you been able to do that?

user136984

Depends what kind of votes you mean, I'm not sure if we were always able to retract close votes, but maybe we were.

Terrance

Just click which ever one you clicked on whether it be up or down and it will unvote

TheXed

oh I meant like upvotes...

user136984

Yes, you can unupvote a post within a certain time period after you cast it, though that time period is reset if the post is edited.

user136984

I think it's something like 5-10 minutes.

user136984

9:26 PM

Not sure exactly.

Terrance

Dang! Just got a new laptop for work and it is synchronizing my Outlook profile at 1.38GB. Ooops! Maybe I should empty it once in a while. :P

TheXed

@Terrance what kind of laptop?

Terrance

Dell Ultrabook

E7470

TheXed

@Terrance I was thinking about buying a surface pro 4

Byte Commander

@ParanoidPanda That's an old Sandybridge, you can safely ignore all those missing module warnings.

Yours should have working firmware modules already well integrated into the kernel.

Terrance

9:28 PM

@TheXed I wouldn't mind one of those for work. I got one of these because of the dock I have already works with it and all my monitors. :D

TheXed

@Terrance or build a desktop...I can't decide...

@Terrance where do you work?

or what do you do for work?

Terrance

@TheXed My home system is a custom build. When I am paying for the system always custom build! :D

@TheXed I am a data center tech

TheXed

@Terrance I built the desktop I am using now...but it is getting really old...

like 8 years old...

I keep upgrading parts and stuff...

but the Mobo is starting to show its age...

Terrance

Mine's ancient at home, but it works for what I want it to do.

TheXed

One sata port died, and one USB port died...

user136984

9:30 PM

@ByteCommander Ok, that's good! :)

TheXed

stuff like that...

but I would also like something I can sit with on the couch

Terrance

I hear ya

TheXed

other then my work computer...

Edity

Oh, its Ubuntu's 12th birthday today?!?

TheXed

@Edity yes...that is what I have heard...

Anyone have experience building Chrome Extensions?

Edity

9:35 PM

nope

Terrance

Still trying to decide if I like the Canonical-Livepatch yet.

I don't understand how the thing is supposed to work.

TheXed

@Terrance update your kernel without rebooting...

awesome for servers...

Terrance

Maybe I just need to be more patient then. It seemed like it wasn't working when an update was available. I updated manually, then it said error. And now it says it is all good again.

I will wait on the next update

Edity

Oh, great! A new ToS for a service that I'm using..

TheXed

Oh I don't know how it actually performs I have never used it...I just think it would be amazing for servers...in the server environment...

Edity

9:43 PM

Time to scroll through 100 pages of just plain gibberish about the site..

TheXed

So what kind of stuff do you do at work @Terrance?

Byte Commander

@Edity Who ever reads Tos?

Edity

me?

Nathan Osman

Also me.

Terrance

@TheXed I image servers, install OSes, make sure they are ready for the cloud. Decommission servers, scrub servers, open to vendors for repairs, etc.

Edity

9:44 PM

I have a weird addiction to reading through terms of service stuff... (AND NO, NOT JUST SCROLLING FAST)

Nathan Osman

I have to read them because they often have restrictions on commercial usage.

TheXed

@Terrance I see...well today I plugged in an Ethernet cord...pretty productive for 8 hours of work :-P

Edity

that was short O_o

Terrance

@TheXed Very nice!! :D

Edity

it was about collecting info and using them under law's XD

Terrance

9:45 PM

@TheXed I used to do Rack and Stack of servers with cable management here as well.

TheXed

@Terrance oh, and I handed someone a Chromebook...

Edity

That reminds me

Terrance

@TheXed Awesome! :D

TheXed

Drove about 20 miles from one site to another...

Edity

One of my chromebooks failed to start 2 days ago

TheXed

9:46 PM

@Edity how come?

Edity

The filesystem was tampered

TheXed

Installing Linux on it?

Edity

nope

I did nothing and the next day

poof

TheXed

@Terrance honestly though my days are usually so busy running around that I can't keep up...it's days like this that make the others worth while...

Edity

Terrance

9:48 PM

I used to travel between data centers when I was the Degauss Tech Lead.

TheXed

@Edity did you try the recovery stick?

Edity

yes

I got it working again

TheXed

@Edity how so?

Terrance

@TheXed I hear ya on busy days. Right now I am looking at my queue with 84 tickets in it for servers that need some sort of attention. :)

Edity

@TheXed The recovery stick O_o

TheXed

9:49 PM

@Edity oh so that did work...

@Edity I have had a few chromebooks that wouldn't even work with that...

Edity

LOL

TheXed

and had to send them back for warranty...

@Terrance I am actually caught up on my help tickets...

first time since the school year has started...

Terrance

@TheXed I wish that I was, but this is good for OT. :D

TheXed

@Terrance I got banned from overtime after 72 hours in 2 weeks...

Terrance

@TheXed OOps

TheXed

9:51 PM

So I was like maybe you should hire me some help...

so now I have neither...

Things get done, but it takes longer...

Terrance

Uh oh

TheXed

It was actually a good thing that I got banned, because I have the type of personality that I don't know when to quit...

but now I have to...

Edity

You got banned?!?

TheXed

People ask me to fix their computers 5 mins before I go home I am like "sorry, can't have any more OT"

terdon

@ByteCommander Ha! Welcome to my world!

TheXed

9:52 PM

@Edity yeah I was told no more OT...

Terrance

Glad I no longer work with people asking me to fix their computers. Yay!!!

TheXed

@Terrance I use to have an assistant...and my duties use to include mostly paperwork...ordering stuff, some server work and network stuff...

basically making sure everything worked smoothly and the bills got paid...

Terrance

Ah, sounds like fun!

TheXed

but my assistant who did all the low level stuff quit...

and they decided they where not going to higher a replacement...

so now I do his job plus mine...

But I can't complain to much...because it is a job and all...

and I really do like it other then being overworked and underpaid...

Philip Kirkbride

sounds fun what does the company do?

TheXed

9:57 PM

@PhilipKirkbride educates kids...

It is a prek-12 grade school district...

Byte Commander

@terdon But that was a conditional clause type II - aren't people able to English nowadays any more?

terdon

:)

Byte Commander

Anyway, the bells just rang midnight.

I should leave for now. Good night.

Terrance

@ByteCommander Have a great night!

Edity

Good night

So

terdon

10:09 PM

@Serg I don't really know. I had trouble understanding them. I think they wanted to do something with all errors, of any command run in their system.

Zacharee1

Schools: where networks and reliability don't seem to mix

user136984

Had a strange day so...

user136984

Goodnight folks! :)

Terrance

@ParanoidPanda Have a good one! :)

Kaz Wolfe

@TheXed except it costs a decent amount of money

that is, until someone hacks it and releases a libre mirror, which i hope will be soon

TheXed

11:06 PM

This is really weird.

IanC

11:24 PM

I'm about to nuke a VM, I've more then I need here, and want to get some free space for Arch

any suggestions?

there are some commands that I'm a little scared to type even on a VM haha

Magix

Hi, I just asked a question on askUbuntu - Here it is : http://askubuntu.com/questions/839861

I am really stuck in a rut and would like to know if anyone would be kind enough to look at it quickly - first, to know if you have any clue about what could happen - and second, to know how I could improve my questions (I think my title isn't very specific, and the question itself... enough details? ...? ) thanks

IanC

@Magix, I don't know if it would work with you, but found a similar error message with a solution here

maybe it's worth a shot?

Magix

Thank you, I will try ! :)

Zacharee1

sigh askubuntu.com/questions/839867/…

Magix

sad

Serg

11:38 PM

JEeeeezums

user3053430

jeeze

Zacharee1

Can we not delete that question?

It's our most downvoted one

Serg

the damn buttons on iphone are so annoying

somebody keeps clicking something on their phone

Zacharee1

@Serg the damn iPhone is so annoying

Serg

@Zacharee1 honestly , whole Apple company is annoying

Zacharee1

11:39 PM

@Serg why do you think someone took a bite out of it? :D

Kaz Wolfe

yeah, but they're hiring so...

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe yay, work for a terrible company

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 It'll pay for our servers.

Zacharee1

what you need to do is get a case for your OP3 that says ANDROID IS BETTER as brightly as possible

Kaz Wolfe

yeah first i need to sell my iPhone

Zacharee1

11:41 PM

sell it already!

Kaz Wolfe

which now has a perfect screen with nary a single blemish on it.

Serg

 File "/usr/lib/python2.7/posixpath.py", line 68, in join
    if b.startswith('/'):
AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute 'startswith'

Kaz Wolfe

I'VE BEEN TRYING ;;;---;;;

Serg

Python WTF ?

Zacharee1

and original boxing, etc? @KazWolfe

Kaz Wolfe

11:41 PM

@Zacharee1 not anymore sadly

Zacharee1

welp

Kaz Wolfe

i just have the phone, a case, and the box. And an aftermarket charger.

Zacharee1

hmm

sell on Swappa

Kaz Wolfe

cant get a fair price

Zacharee1

really?

Kaz Wolfe

11:42 PM

fair price = $480 in my pocket.

Zacharee1

The prices for iPhones are pretty high there

6S 16GB right?

Kaz Wolfe

so i'd need to list it at 550 or something to cover shipping, paypal, and swappa fees.

and nobody will buy that when a new iPhone is also 550

Zacharee1

but eBay takes a giant cut

Kaz Wolfe

not ebay, paypal

who takes a nice 10%

and will do so for swappa too

Zacharee1

and eBay takes %13

at least on what I've sold

Serg

11:44 PM

AAAAAAAAAAA

Zacharee1

hi @Videonauth

Serg

Ok, now that i'm 25% less frustrated . . .

carry on

Android Dev

What. The. Heck.

-12

Q: seriously what a awesome community here1

Is the people here such dim wit little fks. instead helping someone they get god complex.. reword my question to make some idiot feel all righteous. All i ask is how to to get the Grub2 to UEFI within the grub2 command or something. My QUESTION is a GRUB question was even a freaking tag for it...

grub2

Zacharee1

@AndroidDev late to the party

Kaz Wolfe

@KazWolfe was headshot by @Zacharee1

Zacharee1

11:45 PM

@KazWolfe ...

nooooooo

deleted :(

Android Dev

@Zacharee1 Yep.

Kaz Wolfe

someone watch that user please

Android Dev

Well this needs some serious editing... askubuntu.com/questions/839870/…

Kaz Wolfe

mattcasp

1 1

grub2

oh... he asked on UL too

SO WHY THE HELL DID HE COME HERE?!

Zacharee1

Jesus Christ

just for that, downvote

Kaz Wolfe

11:47 PM

no.

Serg

@AndroidDev @Zacharee1 frankly, the question was on topic here

Zacharee1

well, he was more patient than most people. 24 hours instead of 6

Kaz Wolfe

don't downvote on the user. -_-

@Serg How?!

Zacharee1

@Serg no, it wasn't. GRUB is only on-topic if it has something to do with Ubuntu. OP literally said he couldn't use Ubuntu.

Serg

@KazWolfe original question was about grub

Grub comes with Ubuntu, ergo it is on topic

Kaz Wolfe

11:48 PM

Grub isn't a Ubuntu thing.

Grub comes with Debian.

And LinuxMint.

Serg

@KazWolfe firefox is also isn't Ubuntu thing

Kaz Wolfe

And <insert any modern distro thing>

Zacharee1

@Serg So does KDE, but it's not on-topic if it's on SUSE

Kaz Wolfe

And we're not AskFirefox.

Zacharee1

@Serg But help with using programs in Ubuntu is specifically on topic

Kaz Wolfe

11:48 PM

If the problem is Firefox on Ubuntu being something caused by Ubuntu, we help.

Serg

@KazWolfe and yet we still answer firefox questions . . .and chrome questions . . .and libre questions . . .and insert another software that comes with ubuntu by default here

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg Because they're, well on Ubuntu.

Zacharee1

@Serg if they are using Ubuntu

Serg

@KazWolfe no, because they come with Ubuntu

Why do we have cowsay questions ? And cowsay tag ?

Kaz Wolfe

brb asking question about LibreOffice on Arch.

Zacharee1

11:50 PM

GRUB is not a service or product provided by Canonical, GRUB is not an Ubuntu feature. GRUB is, essentially, a program bundled with Ubuntu. If the user is on Ubuntu and has a GRUB question, it is on-topic. If the user is on Fedora and has a question about GRUB it is not

Kaz Wolfe

Let's see how fast it gets closed.

Zacharee1

@Serg:

> Using and administering official Ubuntu flavors including: Edubuntu, Ubuntu GNOME, Kubuntu, Ubuntu Kylin, Lubuntu, Mythbuntu, Ubuntu Studio, Xubuntu, Ubuntu MATE, Ubuntu Touch, and Ubuntu "Snappy" Core.

Running third-party applications on Ubuntu.

Development on Ubuntu.
Services provided by Ubuntu and Canonical.
Any question not mentioned below or here are great!

What we are concerned with is: Running third-party applications on Ubuntu.

Serg

Here's the thing boys : Ubuntu and generally any distro is set of software packages by definition. If we strip down everything that is "trully Ubuntu"

what's left is bare kernel

Android Dev

@KazWolfe Why would you do that?

Zacharee1

(and I just realized this is terrible grammar: Any question not mentioned below or here are great!)

Kaz Wolfe

11:51 PM

@AndroidDev Because it's LibreOffice, which comes bundled with Ubuntu, and therefore is on-topic

Serg

@Zacharee1 GRUB is not provided by Canonical , yet we have tag for it , we have questions for it, and it's well on topic

Zacharee1

@Serg so? OP was using one program in that bundle, not the whole thing, which is what makes it Ubuntu

@Serg Because it is a program running on Ubuntu

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg "How do I update Grub on Arch?"

How long do you think that question will fare?

Android Dev

What are we arguing about?

Serg

@KazWolfe that's off topic because it's about GRUB on Arch. We're on Ubuntu

Zacharee1

11:52 PM

GRUB itself is not on-topic. GRUB is only on-topic here when it's proxied in by Ubuntu

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg So... you get the point?

Serg

@Zacharee1 sorry, i think i'll have to take it to meta

Zacharee1

@Serg and that question was about GRUB on Androidx86!

it had literally nothing to do with Ubuntu besides saying that Ubuntu could not be used

you seem to be agreeing and disagreeing at the same time

Android Dev

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Q: Fresh install of 16.04 LTS on an HP DL360 G5 is extremely slow

I installed 16.04 on an HP DL360 G5. It is extremely slow. System monitor shows all four Xeon cores running between 35 and 75%. Sorting the highest processor use to the top, in processes, shows Compiz using about 10% to 20% of the CPU. How do I troubleshoot this? Any ideas about what's wrong?