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12:27 AM
@ByteCommander I'm kidding ;)
@NathanOsman O.O holy craporolies
Or should I say un-holy craporolies
 
That's normal if you do a fresh W7 installation today.
But I'm going to sleep now. Good night!
 
@NathanOsman yay, no-1 reason to have cd downloads that get updates ;)
 
jrg
12:44 AM
So (slightly off topic) .NET compiles on FreeBSD now. If you had asked me a year ago if this would happen, I would have said you were crazy.
 
I saw the tweet.
But didn't they ever get Mono running on *BSD?
 
Wot? o.O
 
jrg
Mono is in the FreeBSD ports tree
 
jrg
But this is actual .NET core
 
12:49 AM
I heard that MS was making .NET open source
 
1:11 AM
You know, Microsoft has for so long been the evil, horrible "bad guy" of the software world (being somewhat sarcastic, but not entirely) but they seem to be doing much better.
Windows 10 looks much better than 8 did, and open sourcing .NET? Who knows, maybe they're changing?
 
jrg
They seem to be.
 
@jrg nice
 
But I'm not sure Windows 10 looks better than Windows 7 did.
That was the pinnacle of Windows, IMHO.
 
(Not to say Windows 8 didn't bring some nice things too... Hyper-V for consumers, task manager, file operation graphs, etc.)
@Mateo It's never going to be completely open source.
But I can see more parts being available over time.
 
1:22 AM
so, I just played a strange game...
very strange... called "Plug & Play" they also released it to linux a few days ago
don't watch videos about it if you want to sleep, so fair warning - it is really out there
 
So Windows just announced that it discovered a new "USB Keykoard"... whatever that is.
 
@NathanOsman lol, installing drivers for keyboard and mouse is the best
;P
 
But what is a "keykoard"? :P
 
I think it's like a toaster.. but without the quality control ;P
 
1:39 AM
they had that drone you linked the other day on this show
 
I think I saw someone with that drone a couple weeks ago..
 
1:54 AM
Yeah, well... they can afford it.
 
2:12 AM
Now if only it ran a real operating system.
 
2:24 AM
no f keys
 
Meh, I'd rather spend that money on a System76 laptop.
 
:)
 
Also, that screen is a weird res
It's almost square from the look of things
 
is that like 16:10?
 
No, 16:10 is wider.
It looks almost 5:4 to me
 
2:29 AM
strange
 
I haven't seen it in person though soooo
To DuckDuckGo!
It's 3:2
 
woah
 
What on earth... who would want to use that ratio?
 
Like I said, weird resolution
Also. Why is weird spelled weird? Shouldn't it be wierd?
Y'know, I before E except after C...
@NathanOsman People who are crazy enough to use Chromebooks in the first place. Hypsters etc.
 
2:32 AM
that is why weird is weird ;P
2
 
Indeed
 
@RPiAwesomeness: did I tell you what I ended up doing with my RPi 2?
 
@NathanOsman APT proxy?
 
Yeah, but I've done something else.
I added it to my build farm: buildbot.quickmediasolutions.com/buildslaves
 
@RPiAwesomeness we will probably get a lot of ubuntu install questions here :/
 
2:34 AM
Oh? Cool!
 
(It's the ubuntu-trusty-armhf machine.)
 
Probably
 
So with the click of a button, I can have it download my project and attempt to build it.
 
@NathanOsman Nice :D
Won't that take forever?
I mean, you can use all the cores, but it's still only 900 MHz x4
 
It's a small project :P
 
2:35 AM
I figured
 
And besides, the idea behind a build machine is that it only builds when there are changes committed.
 
No such thing as multicolumn lists? I am disappoint Qt.
 
Otherwise, it sits idle.
@Seth QTableView.
 
Why did I know you would say that.
 
:)
@Seth Do you have a model or are you just feeding data into the widget?
 
2:36 AM
Well gee thanks Youtube for stereotyping computer geeks. Gosh.
 
/facepalm
 
^ on the edge of one of a JayzTwoCents video
Though, I must say, she is mildly attractive.
 
@RPiAwesomeness it knows you watch the tek...
 
@NathanOsman Well I had a model in Gtk..
 
@Mateo :)
Looks kinda similar to the actress who plays Lucy in The Chronicles of Narnia series ...
 
2:39 AM
It's possible I've gotten lost in bad documentation but..
 
hmmm, wondering if I want to yet:
oh, that remindes me, I should disable the extra intel stuff before, I thing there was a warning on ppa's or the installer or something
 
I think I'm gonna fresh Ubuntu MATE 15.04 on my laptop...not sure though.
I wonder what would be better, installing Ubuntu MATE & then Unity, or just regular Ubuntu & then MATE...
 
Now that I have a laptop with Intel graphics, I should try Mir+Unity 8.
 
that is what I'm going to do with the pi, I think I'll have to buy an extra card just to mess around with snappy, although the ninjasphere should arrive next month sometime
 
@NathanOsman Oh, does Mir/Unity 8 not work on NVIDIA/AMD?
 
2:43 AM
Still haven't had time to try Snappy yet :P
 
@NathanOsman they had a containerized login, it worked aside from me not having a touchscreen
 
@RPiAwesomeness I was having all kinds of issues on my desktop (AMD).
 
vote up this bug:
 
@NathanOsman Hmm...wonder how my GTX 750 TI will be.
Just installed it yesterday, haven't had time to try it
 
No idea about Nvidia.
 
The only machine in the house with an Nvidia card has an old GeForce 8400 something-something.
 
If anyone watches The Game Theorists, this show he does is awesome
 
aw, I cant find the bug...
 
@NathanOsman Perhaps what I want is a TreeView?
Or do you still think I'm crazy? Wouldn't be the first ;)
 
It depends on what you're trying to do...
If you want multiple rows/columns and you don't have a model, you need QTableWidget.
The Q*View classes are for models and the Q*Widget classes are for when you don't have a model.
 
2:48 AM
I should try again :)
oh, update for system-76 wallpapers?
I wonder...
awesome:
oh, then this new cube background:
 
System76 wallpapers are awesome!
 
3:07 AM
am I the only one here using Windows to chat in the Ubuntu chat? :D
 
I must admit to doing the same on occasion :p
@Chan-HoSuh Windows 10?
 
would that be better? It's Win8
or is it ok if it's Windows running on a Raspberry Pi?
 
@Chan-HoSuh: lets see... from left to right, windows 7, fedora 21 windows 8 ....
(tho I have my website running on ubuntu, and some VMs running that too)
 
@Chan-HoSuh I was just curious.
 
that reminds me though... I've been told 10 is much better
 
3:13 AM
I think if it's running on a Pi that's awesome.
 
maybe I should install that, but I've become increasingly wary of upgrading software over time
 
@Chan-HoSuh It was. And then MS made it only kind of better.
 
unfortunately, not on a Pi :( maybe I will at some point, haven't thought of a killer personal use for it yet
 
I plan on using mine for watching the birds in the bird house, when I get it.
 
man, I'm the only one with a normal head in here
 
3:16 AM
Which may be never.. Not too high on my list right now.
 
yeah the list... finally culled out my Amazon "save for later" list
that's a feature flawed from the start
 
I've got more installations here than I can keep track of...
^--- way too many VMs :P
 
too many... you don't sound like a bean counter :D
 
...and those are just the virtual machines on this computer.
 
well, there are companies now that are probably squeezing way too many VMs onto a single server
 
3:22 AM
o_O
 
your computer is named johnson?
 
I'm terrible at naming things :p
hmm, this started after I ran an xwininfo command.
Smells buggy.
 
3:55 AM
Twiddles thumbs...
And now it's happily "reverting the changes" due to some stupid failure.
Sigh.
 
huh so you really do have a stuffed penguin
 
No. I really am a stuffed penguin.
 
@NathanOsman oh man that's so annoying.
 
All I can say is it had better not try to download those again.
Here's what it was telling me earlier:
6 hours ago, by Nathan Osman
user image
 
4:15 AM
man, that's a bummer
 
4:42 AM
 
Phooey on Disney for putting a "large hiatus" in Gravity Fall's programming
I'm upset now
Also. Holy crap does ClamAV scanning take a lot of CPU horsepower. Goodness my computer was laggy. Had to kill the process it was so bad.
Granted, this is my laptop, but still
 
5:28 AM
 
6:04 AM
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Q: ubuntu 15.04 asking for login on start

doniyorUbuntu 15.04 installed yesterday, now asking for login and password on start. I gave my password i dont know it means with login. I gave my username, no success. Stil asking for login and password. What the hell does it want from me ?

 
6:18 AM
@NathanOsman You have a ReactOS VM?
 
Yes.
 
expression of surprise
 
I actually found a bug there the other day that allowed a userland application to cause a BSOD. I reported it and it was promptly fixed :)
(Got to have a bit of fun debugging a kernel over a virtual serial port :P)
 
:) Yes... Not something I've done, but everywhere I read about it - it looked like VMware was more readily used to just snap a debugger on.
 
6:36 AM
Just got one of my BuildBot slaves running in Docker.
 
6:49 AM
\o/
 
7:22 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: The Best Way To Lose Weight Fast by Betty Carver on askubuntu.com
 
 
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8:25 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Healthy Protein Diet For Weight Loss by nana nanan on askubuntu.com
 
9:13 AM
Where is the "Changelog" like thing for Ubuntu 15.04?
 
kos
9:57 AM
Last time I spam this
2
Q: How can I know which options have been passed to ./configure while compiling / building a Debian package?

kosAs the title said, I've unpacked a Debian package in order to recompile / rebuild it adding a custom option, but I can't sort out how to find the options passed to ./configure when the package was compiled / built in first place. Is finding such options feasible?

 
user136984
10:52 AM
@kos It better be! >:)
 
user136984
:D :P
 
kos
11:06 AM
@Toroidal lol I know. Sorry, I promise :)
 
@kos At least don't make it one-box. Put it on the same line.
And check your configure log. That should have the info you want.
 
11:37 AM
problem solved
searching the buildlog referenced in the original question i duped towards from the top voted answer you get:
if [ ! -r configure.debian_sav ]; then cp -a configure configure.debian_sav; fi
chmod 755 /build/buildd/asterisk-1.6.2.7/debian/dummyprogs/fetch
PATH=$PATH:/build/buildd/asterisk-1.6.2.7/debian/dummyprogs ./configure \
		--host=x86_64-linux-gnu --build=x86_64-linux-gnu \
		--prefix=/usr \
		--mandir=\${prefix}/share/man \
		--infodir=\${prefix}/share/info \
		--with-cap \
		--with-gsm \
@kos ^^
 
12:27 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Than that restores item you know just great by denna sysh on askubuntu.com
 
12:43 PM
Bah! Transmission didn't finish the download last night :P
Also, weird person alert:
"The ultimate goal of ReactOS is to allow you to remove Windows and install ReactOS without the end user noticing the change." Erm...good luck with that buds :P
 
Really, if you think about it, their work would be better off helping the Wine project than re-writing Windows from scratch. Not to downplay their work or anything, but it seems kinda like a waste of resources to fully re-write the OS, when you could work on improving a project that already has a large following and works fairly well.
But hey, that's their choice.
 
lol
they were sharing code
but drama
IIRC
 
 
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user136984
3:29 PM
I have just done a fresh install, and am wondering if somebody could answer the following:
 
user136984
0
Q: Verify the current Google Chrome installation's integrity

ToroidalI have installed Google Chrome from the .deb file provided here, but after I installed it I realised that I had not checked the MD5 of the .deb file to make sure that it was not corrupt or tampered with (as some of the other software that I was downloading at that time had the wrong MD5 and I had...

 
user136984
:)
 
@Toroidal I think I'm going to start downvoting you every time you question-dump in the chat less than a minute after posting.
 
user136984
@terdon Ok, I'll wait a couple of hours or so before doing it next time.
 
user136984
Unless someone replies within that time that is.
 
3:32 PM
Anyway, if the thing works, then it wasn't corrupted. What else do you want?
 
user136984
@terdon Because I have lately had some problems with someone hacking me, it is possible that they may have tampered with it during the time that it was being copied onto my machine.
 
Ummm
OK, you really need to dial down this paranoia.
You're thinking that some "hacker" not only got access toyour system but also found the file you downloaded and had the time to decompile it (we're talking a bout a binary here), screw around with it and then recomplile it only to, what? Cause you grief?
 
user136984
@terdon I keep telling myself it's just paranoia and I'm just finally losing it... But I can't ignore what the logs say.
 
user136984
@terdon So they could not intercept the file during the download and alter it?
 
I guess that might be possible. However, if you're being targeted by someone who's that good, forget it.
 
user136984
3:36 PM
It's just that I as I was downloading something else something appears to have happened because the md5 of that was incorrect. So it either corrupted or was tampered with.
 
@Toroidal Yes, corruption happens. Why would you think someone was intercepting it? That is very, very far from trivial even if it is possible.
 
1
Q: Why does the more command not work when bound to a keyboard shortcut?

TimI have two commands that both work in terminal: notify-send "$(more /home/tim/autest.sh | head -1)" and notify-send "$(cat /home/tim/autest.sh | head -1)" putting them in a script like this: #! /bin/bash notify-send "$(more /home/tim/autest.sh | head -1)" notify-send "$(cat /home/tim/aut...

 
You do realize that nobody cares about you enough to hack you right? People want to hack banks and the like, not random teenagers.
 
Why ":::::::::::::::" in more.c
 
user136984
@terdon I don't know, but this person before my fresh install managed to do something to one of my other applications and made it communicate with his server.
 
user136984
3:38 PM
@terdon This is a sort of personal thing. So not just a random targeting.
 
user136984
Ahh, well, may it'll turn out to be nothing...
 
user136984
Anyway, I would just like to be able to check whether my Google Chrome installation is fine, if there is anyway of doing that. Help me ease my paranoia about this! :D :P
 
I honestly am starting to worry about you. Seriously. This kind of paranoia can't be healthy.
 
user136984
Oh, well, I've always been a little paranoid! ;D :P
 
user136984
@terdon But seriously, is there anyway in which I can verify my Google Chrome installation's integrity that you know of?
 
user136984
3:43 PM
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you you know! ;D :P
 
@Toroidal Perhaps but there are so many better ways of getting at you than this...
No, I don't know how you could verify this apart from downloading it again and comparing the md5sums of the debs. Do it five or siz times if that makes you feel better. Do it from another computer and check there. Or spend your time on something more constructive. Your choice :)
 
kos
@terdon @hbdgaf Thanks to both, altough I couldn't find the log within the unpacked .deb files. I'm happy with the answer in the duplicate but I'd like to keep the question opened for a case in which the .deb comes from somewhere else
 
user136984
@terdon Doesn't Google offer the official md5sum of Chrome?
 
user136984
I would have thought that they would do, although I can't seem to find it... :(
 
@kos Deb? You said ./configure, that's different. If your .deb contains a compiled executable, I don't think there's any generic way of knowing the options it was compiled with.
@Toroidal Dunno, look for it. I doubt it though, they are very rarely needed (hint, hint)
 
user136984
3:50 PM
I don't think they provide it...
 
user136984
So all hope is lost for the world then! There wasn't any hope anyway!
 
user136984
:D :P
 
kos
@terdon Nope sorry I wrote .deb but I actually meant .dsc
 
@kos dsc? Source deb?
 
kos
@terdon Yes
 
3:56 PM
@kos Then everything should be in the configure script.
 
kos
@terdon The problem is that the configure script for the specific package takes input from env variables
 
@kos Ah, OK, so I guess the only way will be to check the configure log for the actual gcc command run. As suggested by hbdgaf.
 
0
Q: Linux Mint system clock is days ahead after an overnight laptop suspend

Steve PerkinsI'm a long-time Ubuntu user, who recently started trying out Linux Mint on a laptop. This is not a dual-boot setup, Mint is the only OS on the machine. When I suspend the laptop (i.e. close the screen) for an hour or so, the system clock is still accurate when I open the screen and wake it back...

 
kos
@terdon It looks like that could work, but I still can't find that log. How is the file supposed to be named? Anyway I just got a working answer, which should work across any dsc file. The solution is... looking into debian/rules.
 
Fair enough
 
kos
4:11 PM
@terdon Or pseudo solution, now that i think about the thing in the configure.in perspective.Shouldn't that behavior be overcome by configure.in?
@terdon A better solution would be an answer about reading the log.
 
I'm pretty sure the log will always be the best option, yes.
 
Tim
Now this isn't kubuntu but should work all the same refreshit.info/2012/08/…Jessecast Apr 20 '14 at 1:25
That website chose an unfortunate name...
Like ExpertsExchange.com... Not ExpertSexChange.com
:P
 
kos
@terdon if you or @hbdgaf want to come with an answer about finding / reading such log of course I'll be happy to switch the acceptance to your solution, which would be more reliable
 
user136984
4:35 PM
@Tim: Are you an elephant?
 
user136984
In other words, is that an elephant in your profile picture?
 
/me is currently installing 15.04 in a VM
 
user136984
@RPiAwesomeness What is the forward slash about?
 
/me
It's an IRC command, all IRC commands are preceded by a forward slash
 
user136984
@RPiAwesomeness: IRC? Regular Raccoon Counting?
 
user136984
4:38 PM
Oh wait, is it that thing you get a channel thingy on?
 
If this was IRC it would have shown up as RPi Awesomeness is currently installing 15.04 in a VM.
How on earth do you not know what IRC is? o.O
It stands for Internet Relay Chat IIRC
 
user136984
Well, I've heard of it, but never actually used it...
 
Ah.
That's a little more forgiveable
 
kos
Perhaps someone knows how can I test if I have framebuffering enabled or not?
 
/me is just a thing people do to show they're doing something. It probably first started with IRC but it's more prevalent now. Even Skype supports it.
 
user136984
4:39 PM
So it stands for "Internet Relay Chat IIRC", what does the "IIRC" stand for?
 
user136984
If anything... :D :P
 
If I Remember Correctly
 
user136984
Oh...
 
user136984
But it's called "Internet Relay Chat", and not "Internet Relay Chat If I remember Correctly"?
 
4:41 PM
Yes. IRC = Internet Relay Chat. IIRC (totally separate) = If I Remember Correctly
I was just saying that IRC most likely Internet Relay Chat, but that I'm not entirely sure.
 
user136984
Oh... All very confusing! :D :P
 
Question. Do I download/install Ubuntu MATE 15.04 & then install Unity, or install Ubuntu 15.04 proper and then install MATE?
 
what?
@RPiAwesomeness Mate with Unity or Ubuntu with Mate?
 
@A.B. Yeah. Trying to decide.
 
@RPiAwesomeness You need a system with Unity and Mate?
 
4:46 PM
I like Unity, so I'm gonna keep it either way, but I also want to give MATE a go, especially since it'll be on my low spec laptop
 
@RPiAwesomeness From the feeling I would advise to Ubuntu and then install Mate.
 
@RPiAwesomeness Then install Ubuntu+Unity and MATE over it.
This Ubuntu thing where installing different DEs can cause issues is really annoying. I always have 3 or 4 different DEs installed.
 
@RPiAwesomeness I'm using Ubuntu GNOME and would never install Unity.
 
@A.B. Why not?
@terdon You think that would work best? Okay, I'll do that. Now just gotta download the Ubuntu 15.04 i386 ISO
 
'Cause it's ugly and nonconfigurable.
 
4:49 PM
Really. Okay then.
 
@RPiAwesomeness I tried it when it was new. I do not like it.
 
I wouldn't quite say that, but to each his own.
 
@RPiAwesomeness Yes, as I recall, Ubuntu packages the DEs in meta-packages that can cause some branding issues. I would guess that getting the flavor with your preferred DE is the simplest approach.
 
@A.B. It has improved significantly since then
 
Too late, I love GNOME 3
 
4:50 PM
@terdon They do :P GNOME screwed up Unity for me so bad :P
 
@RPiAwesomeness Damn straight! There's no accounting for taste. I just really don't like the big ugly buttons on the left and the fact that I can't tweak my system the way I want it.
@RPiAwesomeness I may well be wrong here. I don't use Ubuntu and this is an Ubuntu-specific issue. Ask someone else, it might be better to get MATE first and Unity second.
 
You'll have to try. There can be problems with both versions.
 
@terdon GASP! You don't?
Don't you use Debian or something? Or was that @braiam...
Also, for whatever reason, VirtualBox has been dreadful lately. Basically any OS I'm running in it lags the entire computer to screeching halt. Never had that issue before.
It just crashed on the Ubuntu 15.04 installer.
Was there a recent Kernel update or something that might have messed it up?
 
@terdon I believe all the branding issues can be fixed..
 
@RPiAwesomeness Yes. I may switch to arch again soon.
 
4:55 PM
Ah.
 
@Seth I'm sure they can be.
If you know what you're doing. I'm guessing a dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-desktop might be enough.
 
Probably
 
ooh, I'd never done it that way. Brilliant!
I've always reconfigured each item individually >.<
 
Anyone else here use VBox and been having lag issues lately?
forums.virtualbox.org/… describes my issue kinda
 
@Seth Heh, no idea if it would actually work on a meta package.
 
5:01 PM
And this, ladies and gents, is why one should never work around pine branches (or any form of raw wood for that matter) in shorts:
Nothing horrible, but it stings
Also. Babby turtles
 
@RPiAwesomeness Man, you really have thick fingers!
 
@terdon That ain't my finger ;)
Least ways I hope it isn't. That would be some serious swelling
 
@terdon Goats don't have fingers, remember?
 
Hah. This is one upset turtle:
Who you taking a picture of there bud?
I'll stop now.
Just sorting through a bunch of pictures I took a little while ago
 
@A.B. I won >:)
 
5:10 PM
Wonder when the next wallpapers competition starts...
Also, goodness, half of these pictures are very very noisy, even though they were taken during the day on like 100 ISO...
I wonder if it's the zoom lens...
 
user136984
15.04...
 
user136984
Now...
 
user136984
To upgrade, or not to upgrade? That is the ultimate question...
 
the last update messed up my Trash
 
user136984
How?
 
user136984
5:13 PM
In what way?
 
I cant move stuff to Trash -even though I own the directory-
 
user136984
Have you reported it as a bug?
 
Hmm. That's strange
 
works fine for me.
 
5:15 PM
Is the file too big?
Try on a smaller one.
 
nope
just a normal 300mb ish video
 
Try a smaller file.
 
That image there is 4Kb .... same msg
I would expect Trash to be owned by root. But that's not it
How can I find out where Nautilus believes Trash is located? :=P
 
@Rinzwind Where?
 
@A.B. On the gbat.ext q ;-)
ah welltime to rm it >:)
 
5:18 PM
@Rinzwind I do not understand.
 
Ah, I see.
 
hmmm removing it did not help
 
@Rinzwind
@Rinzwind You would have to give him a chance.
 
hmm? :-)
 
5:20 PM
=)
 
noooooo I do not have that luxury
 
@Rinzwind Then I should have done this. :P =)
@Rinzwind +1 =)
 
yay. another 10 closer to fossy
 
=)
 
18.8k to extra to catch him
 
Tim
5:24 PM
@Toroidal It is an elephant :)
If you see that anywhere as a profile it is almost certainly me :D (Not always tho...)
 
@Tim Congrats on the number of sigs!
 
5:47 PM
@Tim
@Tim Sometimes I have the feeling that you put intentionally funny questions.
 
Tim
@Fabby Thanks :) It really took off all of a sudden!
@A.B. ???
 
Tim
@A.B. Ahh, I'm misunderstanding what kde-full is I think...
 
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