Ask Ubuntu General Room

1:05 AM

You know you aren't in the best of moods when you feel like replying "When did the name change?" to "UNBUNTU VERSION CHANGE" and "Call the police." to "Mouse has been hijacked".. yeah.

hbdgaf

Feel better @Seth. I'm really not well and have been doubly grumpy all day.

Seth

lol

hbdgaf

At least someone gets a giggle out of my super-grump-mode activated.

RPi_Awesomeness

1:22 AM

This is kinda scary...

Seth

yeah I saw that. Pretty neat huh?

hbdgaf

It's just a usb rubber ducky script that is written well and slapped in a box.

Seth

right, but the idea is what is scary.

You can emulate a keyboard/mouse and (almost) nothing can stop you.

but then, physical access..

hbdgaf

rel1k did some interesting things on the windows side with powershell awesomesauce and SET. takes the game out of the game though.

RPi_Awesomeness

@Seth Yes...and I have that device (Teensy)

Huehuehue

I may have a project, figure out how to port that on Linux...

Seth

1:29 AM

that'd be fun!

oh, while we're on this topic, I thought this was pretty neat.

hbdgaf

I just need to remember to be awesome and keep writing that pandas/talib layer.

Seth

Only think it's missing is a 3.5mm out.

hbdgaf

RPi_Awesomeness

@Seth Yeah. The guy lists how you could get the user's sudo password (export a fake $PATH with a fake sudo) and I could build off that ... evil laugh

@Seth Hrm...wonder who they're ripping off :D

Though, yes, that is cool!

Seth

@RPi_Awesomeness no one.

RPi_Awesomeness

1:32 AM

@Seth The design is very similar to the RPi Model B+

Seth

@RPi_Awesomeness I don't understand how that works..

@RPi_Awesomeness yeah but that's a long way from "ripping someone off", I define that as "exact duplicate of Raspi B+" not "5 times more powerful with similar features".

hbdgaf

The arduino teensy was around before the pi

i would go with LD_PRELOAD and checking the "sudo authed" flag on system and run sudo apt-get update as a cron job. It's really benign on the surface.

RPi_Awesomeness

@Seth I was kidding. The design of the PCB is similar, but the specs are not.

Seth

>.<

I'm not in a joking mood, sorry.

I'm not good with jokes.

hbdgaf

@Seth - I'ld disengage from that conversation. The teensy is just a smaller form factor arduino. Comparing it to the pi is just wrong out of the box.

RPi_Awesomeness

1:35 AM

That's fine :)

@hbdgaf We're talking about this: hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G141578608433

Seth

naw we weren't comparing the teensy @hbdgaf we were comparing this hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G141578608433

RPi_Awesomeness

^

Seth

this one is also cool, but I'm not sure about MIPS :/

hbdgaf

Oh, the ODROID. That's closer to the pi. Thought you were still on the arduino keyboard simulator thing.

RPi_Awesomeness

@hbdgaf Nah :)

I actually really want to try this out...

hbdgaf

1:41 AM

Oh well. 400 lines down last night. Laid around feeling awful all day today. Guess I should pound out at least a couple hundred lines tonight. Being sick is no excuse not to product some text... it is, however, an excuse not to work retail.

Yes I'm nocturnal.

RPi_Awesomeness

1:55 AM

yay! I have Steam installed on Windows 10 Tech Preview and Terraria works! Not gonna mess with anything else though - anything I really want to play is also on Linux...

hbdgaf

Some random math is a better game than a studio could produce. I do enjoy the occasional obsession with a shooter, but this says it all:

3

RPi_Awesomeness

FPS aren't the greatest :P

hbdgaf

I like role-plays too, but I think BL hits the sweet spot in the middle for me.

Seth

5:13 AM

This is an Ubuntu site, Fedora if off-topic here. Now it's late here, but why would adding the user to sshd_config allow you to FTP in? — Seth ♦ 12 secs ago

o_O

Nathan Osman

5:33 AM

I have invites for keybase.io if anyone's interested.

hbdgaf

So, it's a gpg server written in node with a web api?

Nathan Osman

Not really...

hbdgaf

I guess I just don't get it on that one. What's awesome/new/different about it?

Nathan Osman

keybase.io/docs/tracking

^--- that explains it well... and with pictures!

hbdgaf

So, gpg keyserver with json that tells you their social media accounts? Sorry if I'm missing it.

Nathan Osman

6:03 AM

Well, what happens is, if you want to verify someone, you fetch the JSON data from the server that provides links to the Tweets, Gists, etc. posted by the user in question.

...and then the Tweets, Gists, etc. are verified locally.

So it's a bit different from a web-of-trust.

blade19899

8:25 AM

New fade in/fade out feature for my website: EuroBytes. At the time of writing it works better with Mozilla Firefox!

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Q: Output Tmux Output to the Terminal

I'm using supervisor to monitor keep a process alive, but I do need to have contact with that process every now and then to provide user input. I would normally use tmux for this, but when I use tmux new -d 'bash /path/to/script' It closes as soon as it starts up, and supervisor gives this...

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9:25 AM

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Q: How do I set up a self-destructing web page?

I'm writing a setup script for a server, and I need to show the user the login details for the server. They can be automatically redirected to a web page and I don't know any other details. I want to make a temporary webpage that will have the login details in it, but when the user accesses it i...

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blade19899

9:37 AM

SPAM: askubuntu.com/q/564577/36315

Don't delete that spam post just yet, it has some good advice on how to keep my skin healthier!

Okay, I'm done reading it, delete it.

I like the spam post here on AU, they're informative.

jokerdino

they also send streaming links to sport games. :)

blade19899

But the links are vindictive; the site was a Malware site

@jokerdino I don't watch sports. Although I do practice MMA

jokerdino

Don't make a request to spammers. tyvm

blade19899

@jokerdino tyvm? Spam account is still active: askubuntu.com/users/361251/maruiken

jokerdino

Done. Thank you. Out of the loop so forgot some procedures.

Rinzwind

9:50 AM

You have a loop?

hmm come to think of it? Is it a training wheel for your dino side?

jokerdino

lol

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: ld cannot find print_insn_big_mips(and few others) despite binutils-multiarch-dev installed

I am trying to compile a program(on Ubuntu 14.04 64 bit) that requires binutils with multiarch support(recommended version 2.20). I installed binutils-multiarch 2.24 and the dev package from the distro repository. However, ld fails to find few functions(print_insn_big_arm, print_insn_big_mips, pr...

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Rinzwind

@jokerdino you surrender? :-P

jokerdino

haha, just busy with some real life work.

Rinzwind

I am ignoring real life work

jokerdino

9:54 AM

never hurts, does it?

Rinzwind

nope

hbdgaf

10:27 AM

The month subscription to the UE4 SDK on github might be worth it just to read this "video book" youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZlv_N0_O1gaCL2XjKluO7N2Pmmw9pvhE

blade19899

10:45 AM

I got two Job interviews today, one front end development job and McDonald's

Guess which one I want...

hbdgaf

Work is work buddy... and you'll find that when your passion becomes your job you lose both.

blade19899

@hbdgaf Depressing :(

hbdgaf

Just the truth of my experience. Your experience may be different though, so cheer up.

blade19899

@hbdgaf I kinda always new when I wanted to make a carrier off of my passion, that I might lose it. Because working can be horrendous sometimes.

Rinzwind

11:06 AM

@blade19899 Nothing wrong with working at McD UNLESS you also start eating there.

blade19899

@Rinzwind You kinda gonna hate me for this, but, I used to work at McD, 2+ years. At there all the time. Employee discount: 75%.

hbdgaf

Yeah, places that give significant employee discounts on consumables - it's like giving you a raise. Where I work we get a discount of 10% on most everything you don't need, and not discount on the things you do. So, if the wage is low enough it's a hollow benefit.

Journeyman Geek

12:16 PM

@hbdgaf: On the other hand, do something you love and you never work a day ;p

There's plenty of non disgruntled geeks working in tech

hbdgaf

12:29 PM

@JourneymanGeek This is true. I suspect a lot of it is finding a company where your strengths play in to each other.

Journeyman Geek

Yup

RPi_Awesomeness

Hey guys. Is there a way that I can tell my computer to, in certain amount of hours, shut down?

Obviously, I could just do sleep 48h && shutdown -h now as root, but is there a more elegant way?

hbdgaf

In windows it would be net at. I'm not sure there a more elegant way for one time events on timers on the linux side of the house.

Journeyman Geek

12:47 PM

linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_at.htm at?

hbdgaf

That would be it.

Oddly, I've never ever had to do a non-recurring task at a specific time on a linux box. So cron/crontab always worked JUST fine for me.

I sort of want to get in to OpenGL/UnrealEngine. Think it would be neat to make an app that used it for user interface that wasn't a game. That's probably using a shotgun to kill a fly though.

Journeyman Geek

Pretty much ;p

Unless you wanted to re-invent the 3d file browser.

hbdgaf

It would just be a new skill. Upping my real world stat tree and all that...

RPi_Awesomeness

@JourneymanGeek So, I could use that?

And it would be a one time thing, correct?

Journeyman Geek

@RPi_Awesomeness: I THINK that's the correct tool

ya

RPi_Awesomeness

12:56 PM

kk

Journeyman Geek

I donno if it does "run command in 48 hours"

But it can do "run command in 2 days AT 3pm"

RPi_Awesomeness

You can also say what day the job will be run

Yeah, which is fine

I'm going away and can't bring my desktop with me :( and want to leave it downloading for several days because of the download times I've got.

hbdgaf

You can also give times like now + count time-units, where the time-units can be minutes, hours, days, or weeks

RPi_Awesomeness

Shweet

hbdgaf

I'm not awesome, I just read the man page.

RPi_Awesomeness

1:00 PM

Me.purchase("Portal_2") #Steam Sale - $3.99
Me.internet_speed == 80 kb/s # About 80 kb/s if the internet is being good
download("Portal_2).size() # 7.0GB
download("Portal_2).time() # 24+ hours

This is me :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

I'm not awesome either

RPi_Awesomeness

But it's better than mine!

Journeyman Geek

I have a good memory for what ;p

RPi_Awesomeness

Oh xD

I thought you were talking about my internet connection

Journeyman Geek

@RPi_Awesomeness: my steam download speed maxes at about 4mb/s ;p

RPi_Awesomeness

1:01 PM

@JourneymanGeek Lucky duck

Journeyman Geek

not really

I want gigabit ;p

RPi_Awesomeness

@JourneymanGeek ? Be grateful you've got something better than dial-up :P Because that's what our speeds go to if anyone else gets on the network

Journeyman Geek

lol

true

hbdgaf

My max up/down is faster... like hella-fast for the area, but my ISP throttles steam. Conversely, it also gives steam "preferred traffic" QoS status to a point. So, I'll take the throttle in exchange for the low latency.

Journeyman Geek

@RPi_Awesomeness: Our network is big/messy enough that we probably should just buy a low end business router ;p

RPi_Awesomeness

1:03 PM

@JourneymanGeek Didn't you just? Or was that Mateo...

Journeyman Geek

Prolly Mateo

I can't afford really nice things till feb.

RPi_Awesomeness

2 mins ago, by RPi_Awesomeness

@JourneymanGeek Lucky duck

Journeyman Geek

(Want to keep expenses down the first month of my new job)

I have two routers, one of which is free, and a switch ;p

And homeplug between one router and a switch

hbdgaf

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I rode mass transit for like 3 hours a day each way to control expenses for my first month on a new job when I was where you are now.

Journeyman Geek

Now, I run three systems on my desk, which could be lucky duck-like.

@hbdgaf: Oh, I've budgeted for that off my last few months of allowance. Accidentally.

I should be able to run expenses off my savings for ~2 months

RPi_Awesomeness

1:06 PM

pkill -15 as essentially clicking the close button, right?

xD

The man page on for at:

Journeyman Geek

I'm guessing ~3 dollars a day for transport.

RPi_Awesomeness

You may also specify midnight, noon, or **teatime** (4pm)

Journeyman Geek

rofl.

RPi_Awesomeness

Hrm. I think the author might just be british

hbdgaf

@JourneymanGeek I was able to get monthly passes. So a daily breakdown didn't really make sense.

Journeyman Geek

1:08 PM

@hbdgaf: Monthly pass is 160 dollars I think

oh 120.

By my guess my monthly spending on transport should be ~90 at most

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Q: How to connect eclipse using java through proxy?

How to connect eclipse using java through proxy ?

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hbdgaf

Well if it's ~3/day*30 = 90 and 100+ per month, it seems like someone probably screwed up their math somewhere... I did the monthly pass because I also used it to go places on the weekends (eat, shop, be social ... I did that last one VERY little)

Journeyman Geek

@hbdgaf: Distance based fares, and the workplace is nearby.

I'm suspecting it'll be less than 3

hbdgaf

That helps. I'm 5 miles door to door here. And I did that by design.

Now I just need to take it to 0 miles door to door ;)

Journeyman Geek

~8KM ;p

hbdgaf

1:12 PM

what's the mi to km conversion again? i know lbs to kilos is 2,2 give or take

Journeyman Geek

1.6km to a mile

~5 miles

Tho public transport is a bit more direct I suspect

hbdgaf

Mine's all one straight shot, so it doesn't get easier here. When I was somewhere else, it was one train to an el to a bus or two. So...

Journeyman Geek

Oh, the straight shot is slower.

Bus from essentially my doorstep to an interchange

then one of the newer, high frequency trains to the basement of my office building ;p

hbdgaf

Yeah, businesses in Chicago listed that as as perk. "Office in the loop" was how they said it.

Journeyman Geek

wikiwand.com/en/Fusionopolis

RPi_Awesomeness

1:18 PM

Good gravy. Figuring out at is being... a pain

hbdgaf

That's neat. I'm back in NC now. There was an interesting audio-video company in Cary at one point. On-site/on-campus everything. Rated one of the 100 best places to work repeatedly.

Journeyman Geek

;p

I still know very little about these guys ;p

hbdgaf

basically what i'm saying is, i see the parallel.

RPi_Awesomeness

What's the command for telling a program to close nicely from terminal? Is it just kill?

Journeyman Geek

'nicely' ?

RPi_Awesomeness

1:22 PM

Like it would when you clicked the close button

hbdgaf

kill -s "something" the something tells it what prejudice level you want to pursue killing the process with.

Journeyman Geek

ya

is trying to remember if sigterm is polite, or if it just blackjacks your process over the head and drags it out into a dark alley.

hbdgaf

seems like -s 9 was "nicely, but really die" and 12 was breaking all eminem on a process. i could be mis-remembering though.

RPi_Awesomeness

@hbdgaf yeah... kill 9 is not friendly in the slightest

syntax error. Last token seen: e
Garbled time

argh

at echo "heloo" 8:25am

Just to test it

but nooo

Rinzwind

is this good enough: askubuntu.com/questions/564645/how-about-windows-softwares/…

or should I elaborate :D

@JourneymanGeek it is! it sends a signal to the process letting the process clean up.

hbdgaf

1:27 PM

@RPi_Awesomeness oh well. never said i remembered. there's a polite kill signal and a whoa kill signal. just saying. and yes, sometimes i get tired of reading man pages and checking the site for you.

RPi_Awesomeness

@hbdgaf I never said you had to go reading man pages, I was just wondering if anyone knew a command that did it so someone (me, you, Journeyman) didn't have to go digging through man pages...

Journeyman Geek

lol

@RPi_Awesomeness: I didn't dig through man pages, nor complain ;p

hbdgaf

not feeling well, so my knickers are extra-twisty.

RPi_Awesomeness

@JourneymanGeek :)

Rinzwind

3:15 PM

@JourneymanGeek download in question askubuntu.com/questions/564683/synaptic-crashes

is that allowed?

Journeyman Geek

ugh

Its not efficient

but I donno. I'd discourage massive log dumps cause we don't know when it happened

Rinzwind

@JourneymanGeek 2mb? 22mb

oh and there is nothing in that log we can use :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

Prasad RD

hi all :)

Rinzwind

lol you edited! :D

junk: askubuntu.com/questions/406964/…

Virusboy

5:46 PM

@Rinzwind thats what she said

Richard

6:00 PM

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Q: Xsnow does not work

I have installed the old program xsnow with Apt. This program is supposed to make snow (the type of precipitation) appear on the desktop. However, running the program does nothing except return the following code: Xsnow-1.42resizeable, December 14th 2001 by Rick Jansen (rja@euronet.nl) WWW: http...

xorg

Virusboy

6:25 PM

did the answer given not do anything you wantd

hbdgaf

6:36 PM

@NathanOsman - on the "penguin room thing"

watch eeeeet

Virusboy

image not found

hbdgaf

>.>

Virusboy

The Internet will implode to Version 2.0

hbdgaf

here it oneboxed for me...

Virusboy

hehe

Nathan Osman

6:52 PM

Heh.

hbdgaf

7:08 PM

It is a kids movie, but it was entertaining. As in, I enjoyed it more than say "Exodus".

Nathan Osman

Yeah, that was a huge flop.

hbdgaf

Cinematically, it wasn't awful. It just didn't hold me to the screen. I just couldn't finish watching it despite the production value.

Nathan Osman

They deviated quite a bit from the original account.

Argh.

hbdgaf

I think they were trying to make it more "movie" appealing and less like "The English Patient" where you get to the end, and it's the beginning. Leaving you wanting 3 hours of your life back.

Nathan Osman

So I uploaded a package to PyPI and it ended up being empty.

Time to figure out what went wrong and upload a "new" version.

hbdgaf

7:16 PM

That's no fun. I've been installing with anaconda and pip straight from github recently.

Virusboy

just use filezilla

hbdgaf

what i was driving at is that "pip installable" != pypi

Nathan Osman

7:33 PM

And on this laptop running 14.04, I can't modify wireless network connections :|

Interestingly, I didn't realize that the network adapter on the laptop doesn't do 1Gbps.

Virusboy

most dont

hbdgaf

I have a Gb ath wired card and an ath9k wireless card. Since it's the wireless can outrun my pi, I don't really need to use the wired for anything.

Nathan Osman

My desktop does.

@hbdgaf Yeah, the Pi is limited to 100Mbps too.

The only "high-speed" devices on the network are my desktop, the NAS, and my Nexus 5 (which supports 802.11 AC).

hbdgaf

Even if it had a chipset that would push 1Gb, the rest of it would choke out if you actually used it.

Nathan Osman

The chipset does support that, but the network adapter is actually connected to the USB 2.0 bus.

So it's limited by USB 2.0 speeds.

KasiyA

7:47 PM

o/

Awal Garg

Hello everyone!

KasiyA

Hello!

Awal Garg

Does anyone know where can I submit a suggestion to the Ubuntu Dev Team?

Seth

depends on the suggestion really..

hbdgaf

launchpad.

Awal Garg

7:49 PM

Well, does anyone place any file on the desktop here?

hbdgaf

no. i have "hide all files/folders on desktop" checked,

Awal Garg

@Seth yourself, if I may ask?

Seth

I have a few, but I try to avoid it for several reasons.

KasiyA

@AwalGarg What are you looking for?

Awal Garg

IIRC, I read somewhere that Ubuntu even discourages users from placing anything on the desktop... not sure how legit that was.

So I was wondering if we can fix the unity dash to the desktop... would that be a good idea?

Nathan Osman

7:52 PM

There's not really a technical reason not to place anything there (~/Desktop).

Awal Garg

I would like to be greeted by the dash, and instantly type the thing I want, on login.

I really have nothing to do with the desktop, since it is not a desktop. It is just a picture.

Seth

I see. That'd make a good question, methinks.

As for a feature request.. I'd hold off on that for the moment since the dev team is in the process of completely rewriting Unity.

Awal Garg

So, I guess, this should go to the Unity team...?

ahh

Seth

That'd be the place.

hbdgaf

So, have a login script send the windows/super keypress after login. It's odd not to want to touch one button on a keyboard to get a prompt though.

Seth

7:53 PM

that's what I would do --^

Awal Garg

The win key on my old system is dead :(

hbdgaf

Doesn't mean a script can't send the keypress.

Awal Garg

(not really a reason, I know... but well, that is why I thought of it)

@hbdgaf I was answering the second part. "It's odd not to want to touch..."

hbdgaf

ok

Awal Garg

Ok, I will do that.

One more thing, when we open the dash, the launcher is blurred.

Is there a way to disable that?

Seth

7:59 PM

I believe Unity Tweak tool has an option for that..

PyRulez

How does one get lubuntu's menu to list generic application names instead of regular names.

Like "Email" instead of "Slyph"

Seth

@NathanOsman Seems like you might have some useful links for this askubuntu.com/questions/562851/… :)

Nathan Osman

I'll look in a few minutes.

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

8:16 PM

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Q: How do I add an already partitioned but unmounted hard drive to grub?

I installed Ubuntu on my primary hard drive w/ default partitioning. It booted and ran like a champ. Later, I installed Mint on my second hard drive w/ default partitioning. I appear to have made the wrong choices when prompted for boot options during this second install. Now when the PC bo...

ubuntu grub

Awal Garg

@Seth hmm, it doesn't. But that is not a big deal.

btw, how would one contact the unity team?

nvm, got it.

Thanks a lot seth and hbdgaf

Seth

What doesn't?

Oh, UTT.

Mateo_

8:48 PM

CCSM?

Thomas W.

10:33 PM

*hooks @Seth up to /dev/urandom*

Nathan Osman

Despite having a router that looks like this:

I end up with a config. interface that looks like this:

Couldn't they have hired a good UX guy?

Thomas W.

@NathanOsman It's NetGear... since when have they designed pretty or easy UIs?

Nathan Osman

:P

Thomas W.

unfortunately, I wanted the silver badge hat but alas not gonna happen I don't think

@NathanOsman the UI on the management page for their access points and switches is meh too

fortunately the wireless ap has a console access

Nathan Osman

DD-WRT had a really nice interface.

Journeyman Geek

10:53 PM

@ThomasW.: Amusingly, I got that badge from MSE after someone complained about my moderation style

Lucio

@NathanOsman ROTFL

that looks like a drone

Nathan Osman

It's a tri-band router. It broadcasts on one 2.4 GHz frequency and two 5 GHz frequencies.

Lucio

I will drop this here .. flashchatapp.com

Nathan Osman

11:08 PM

And I'll drop this: hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G141578608433

Lucio

> You need additional MicroSD card or an eMMC module to install the OS.

At what point we have come to.

Journeyman Geek

@Lucio: makes sense for a SBC

Lucio

sbc?

Journeyman Geek

since most SBCs, raspi not included have built in storage

Nathan Osman

The Raspberry Pi required an SD card.

Lucio

11:12 PM

Oh, Southern Baptist Convention

Nathan Osman

Uhm... no.

Lucio

:(

lol to that

Journeyman Geek

That looks nice

@NathanOsman: Hence me specifically saying not including the raspi ;p

@Lucio: is that price including shipping?

Nathan Osman

One of the smartest things I did when I got my Raspberry Pi was get a decent SD card. And by decent, I mean 16 GB, class 10.

Journeyman Geek

@NathanOsman: I just run my OS off a hard drive

significantly more reliable

(I use a 128mb card for the bootloader)

Lucio

11:17 PM

@JourneymanGeek dunno what price, but no.

Journeyman Geek

ahh

Lucio

buy an external storage and use that @ work

Nathan Osman

I wonder if the Raspberry Pi can do netboot.

Journeyman Geek

apparently 9 dollars shipping for one

@NathanOsman: berryboot would let you iscsi boot

But you still need an SD card of some size

(then again. I'm using a 128mb card so...)

0_0

shipping nearly triples if you get two.

THAT MAKES NO SENSE.

2

Lucio

If #TortureReport apologists insist on the term "enhanced interrogation", I say we start calling the 9/11 attacks "enhanced landings"

Tweeted by jvgraz on December 10, 2014 at 9:12 PM

lol

Journeyman Geek

11:24 PM

ah hah!

cheap items are sent via regular mail

else its sent via courier

Lucio

This is neat bitmask.net

Nathan Osman

@Lucio that reminds me... I have a keybase.io invite if you're interested.

Lucio

Keybase is the future on enc. usability

So.. Yey!! :D

Nathan Osman

11:52 PM

@Lucio I'll need your email address to send the invite.

Lucio

It is on the profile. Anyway, I sent you an email at admin@qms

Nathan Osman

Okay.

@Lucio invite is sent!

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