Game Development

NaCl

2:00 PM

I'm 10 times faster xD

But I agree with you, reducing dependencies is somewhat important to me as well

Matt Jens Jensen

Hey, a 10x improvement is huge if it's bogging down your main loop

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Oh wow! 5 downvotes in 1 minute!

NaCl

@AlexandreVaillancourt nice! What question?

Matt Jens Jensen

@AlexandreVaillancourt oooh, what?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

-5

A: Collision detection, stop gravity

i'd have to say that you are a fucking retard who has know idea what he's doing. This did not work and now my game is completely fucked. Eat a dick bitch.

Matt Jens Jensen

2:04 PM

"eat a dick bitch" very classy

I prefer "eat a bag of dicks"

NaCl

"Gamemaker sucks"

I bet he dev'd Hotline Miami

Matt Jens Jensen

Honestly, that's the first time I've ever seen anyone that pissed on StackExchange

Alexandre Vaillancourt

There will always be ppl with anger management :P

Post deleted!

Matt Jens Jensen

That was a very sensible chuckle

NaCl

heavy breathing

Matt Jens Jensen

2:07 PM

jimmies rustled

Jon

yah

tkausl

10x faster than std::vector?

Jon

TRIGGERED!!!!

Matt Jens Jensen

Jon

There are people in this world that will complain about everything no matter how good they have it

The problem is, we have been, as a society, giving these people a voice

NaCl

2:12 PM

actually, it can be upto 50 times faster

Jon

and as less as 1x faster

NaCl

@Jon like... uuh... politicians?

@Jon lol, no :P

Jon

oh man , did you see what happened in canada?

NaCl

tbh no, I was more shocked about austria

Jon

our Prime Minister (president for the US people) accidentally elbowed a girl in the boobs

NaCl

2:14 PM

WHAT

Matt Jens Jensen

Bullshit

She jumped unto him

Jon

She had to get medical attention, and the word molested has been thrown around

Matt Jens Jensen

She was bullying the whip

NaCl

SEXUAL HaRRASSMENT

Jon

here is a video hold on

NaCl

2:14 PM

wow, really

Matt Jens Jensen

It was just SDP bullshit

Jon

Justin Trudeau Elbows Woman MP. Thug Life ( Move B*tch )

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This guy explains it

NaCl

@tkausl std::vector 56 seconds, my 0.9 seconds lol

tkausl

this sounds...

unbelievable

NaCl

watching in fullscreen 720p

Matt Jens Jensen

2:15 PM

If you look closely you'll see her laughing and looking over to her party as she blocks the whip, then jumps against Trudeau

Jon

#elbowgate

NaCl

wait what I didn't see anything

Jon

justin Trudeau elbow explained

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NaCl

Oh there

Jon

i like how it is explained with music

NaCl

2:16 PM

wow, why the fuck is wrong with you that is so boring news

Jon

fuck i'm looking for one video of it

dude explains it

can't find it

But yeah, essentially if you look at the idiot there on the bottom right -- he was supposed to come up and vote on a bill

And they were acting like a bunch of schoolkids, pretending to be blocked from going up to vote

So our PM said fuck this shit, and got up and escorted the idiot

While doing so, that girl was elbowed -- She was standing in the way on purpose.

But now she has been molested and was traumatized

NaCl

…

Matt Jens Jensen

Trudeau had to publicly appologize to the entire house of commons

Jon

It has turned into a huge stupid joke #elbowgate

Matt Jens Jensen

It was really stupid

Jon

2:18 PM

4 times.

They do not accept his apology

Our leaders ladies and gentlemen.

Matt Jens Jensen

I'm not familiar with NDP in canada

Are NDP nazis like the german NPD?

Jon

No, they are for socialism basically

Matt Jens Jensen

Oh okay, it all seemed really childish and sad

Jon

everyone needs to be treated with dignity the same way

by raising taxes and providing governmental services

NaCl

I'm just speechless

Jon

2:20 PM

You are? I'm living here, lol.

Matt Jens Jensen

It's just weird how they can't act like adults, even when they're on camera for the entire country to see

To be fair, you may have that, but in America we have a human spray tan with a 50% chance of being our next president

Jon

50% hahaha

more like 95% now

NaCl

This fucker scares the shit out of me

Especially because of TTIP

Matt Jens Jensen

Same

Jon

isn't he against it?

Matt Jens Jensen

2:22 PM

And threats of pulling out of the UN and NATO are just stupid

Jon

is it though?

NaCl

This guy is incalculable

Jon

they literally run the UN

Matt Jens Jensen

@Jon who knows, even if he was now, no telling where he'd be when in the oval office

Politics in general just make me damn frustrated

Not as frustrated as I get with garbage collection or reference counting

but close

NaCl

+1 for reference counting

Jon

2:25 PM

-1 for reference counting

Almo

hahaha

Matt Jens Jensen

[trying to free zombie] for reference counting

Jon

reworked tutorial levels

wut u think?

Matt Jens Jensen

That's an interesting mechanic, I like it

would play

Jon

You will play.

Everyone loves GORB

NaCl

2:37 PM

it's okay

Matt Jens Jensen

Just curious, what did you build it in?

Jon

says the guy that plays it the most :P

In this helicopter cockpit I salvaged

I used Unity

Matt Jens Jensen

Ah okay

There's certainly a lot of Unity posts on GameDev

Jon

It really makes things fast to code

I come from XNA/Monogame

takes me 4x the time to do something in monogame now

but there I am comparing a framework to an engine.

Matt Jens Jensen

I don't have anything against those tools, but I really prefer C++ and writing directly to OpenGL

Jon

2:40 PM

That is completely fine with me.

Matt Jens Jensen

Then again, I don't put out playable games often hahah

Jon

That was my issue.

I was writing engines for 3 years

NaCl

I still do this

Matt Jens Jensen

The thing is, I really love low level systems programming and engine development

For the experience of doing it

Jon

Me too :)

But I'm trying to make a little bit of side income now

NaCl

2:41 PM

I guess I don't really want to make a game

Matt Jens Jensen

I undersand what you mean

Almo

@jon looks good and thank FUCK you didn't say "orientated" because that word is bullshit

Matt Jens Jensen

I do contract work on APIs and apps to make money to support myself while I spend the most of my time fucking around with game development

Jon

orientated, lol

Matt Jens Jensen

I do like your art style though

Alexandre Vaillancourt

2:44 PM

orientated anyways

angleated

Matt Jens Jensen

quaternionated

Almo

hahahha

Jon

It isn't really an art style, mostly winged it

Rev 3 for the win

Almo

@Jon I sent it to the email you said I should send it to. :)

Matt Jens Jensen

Still, it's pretty for programmer art

Almo

2:45 PM

^

i expect programmer art to look like what I did for Cognizer

Jon

thanks man... here is the progression

NaCl

omg

pls use first graphics as easteregg

Jon

hurts the eyes, lol

tkausl

the first one is beautiful

Matt Jens Jensen

My programmer art

tkausl

2:46 PM

programmer art at its best

Jon

haha

So yeah, the original tutorial was so bad

it was literally 8 levels of boringness

Matt Jens Jensen

I spent two days rigging bones into his pectorals so they bounce when he runs

Jon

I think this makes it a little more interesting

Matt Jens Jensen

For a top down RTS

Jon

LMAO

worth it

Matt Jens Jensen

2:48 PM

Oh absolutely

I'm just terrible with time management, the day Vulkan 1.0 came out I ripped OpenGL out of my project and have spent the last few months rebuilding the entire engine for Vulkna

tkausl

I'm still on OpenGL 3.3

is vulkan even widely supported yet?

Matt Jens Jensen

Yes it, if you have updated drivers

Jon

Doom 4 is getting a vulkan patch soon

is supposed to increase the game rendering pretty significantly apparently

Matt Jens Jensen

It works on Nvidia 6xx+ and AMD 200+ series

Jon

digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-doom-vulkan-api

Matt Jens Jensen

2:52 PM

Vulkan allows for submission from multiple threads

It really helps with CPU bound bottlenecks and validation layer overhead

A lot of gamers buy a cheap APU that bottlenecks their GPU

William Mariager

3:11 PM

If I want to check that an int is at exactly 14 digits, I just need to check if it's greater than or equal to 10^13 and less than 10^14?

Jon

I think that is the fastest way

You could do a floor operation for 10,000,000,000,000 and see if it is equal to 0

William Mariager

Heh, yeah. :P

Almo

3:25 PM

jalopnik.com/…

japanese addresses are really confusing

user4704

3:46 PM

Yeah.

user4704

I have a friend who lives there, when we sent him invites to our wedding he said "just as long as all those words are on there, in any order, it will get here"

Almo

hehe

Matt Jens Jensen

It's odd, I've had an account here for five years and today is the first day I've ever been in chat. I feel a deep sense of missed opportunity

user4704

You haven't missed much.

NaCl

Japan itself is really confusing

4

Almo

3:51 PM

hahaha

Matt Jens Jensen

@JoshPetrie well it helped me figure out an issue I've been stuck on for nearly eight years, so there are benefits to chat, most of the questions I want to ask I don't consider high enough quality to actually ask on the main site

William Mariager

@MattJensJensen We have our ups and downs in here. :P

But mostly, we're a distraction. ;)

Matt Jens Jensen

@WilliamMariager A necessary distraction ;)

William Mariager

I wonder if I can get WPF bindings to work with a list with multiple selections. Basically, have it show the value if it's the same for all selected items and show blank if not.

It's relatively simple from code behind.

I could use a ValueConverter I guess.

user4704

Converters are almost always the answer, unfortunately.

user4704

4:03 PM

It's either that or shove the logic into your viewmodel.

user4704

(which is what I tend to prefer, since converters are just...ick)

William Mariager

Yeah, I tend to use converts for simple things only.

The recent CS6 features make me feel dirty.

public static String GTINToString(Int64 gtin) => gtin.ToString().PadLeft(14, '0');

Jon

2

check out my recording studio

Matt Jens Jensen

@Jon that is beyond creative

P.S. Bob Nystrom got back to me, such a nice dude. Sadly not working on a sequel to GPP right now, but still working on an interesting book worth reading

Jon

@ChrisMcFarland how did you say you managed all your sound effects in unity?

Do you add 100 audio sources?

Sie

5:03 PM

@Leggy7 To?

@Leggy7 Poll. On Friday a transformer blew and it fried our A/C. So I needed to get some pictures of the poll as well as the burn streaks going down it.

Almo

dam

have to refund overwatch.

pc at work has GeForce 8800 GTX

10 years old :/

Sie

@Jon So that's where the magic gets made?

Jon

yep

William Mariager

5:23 PM

> VS2015 Image Library.zip 2.9 GB

2.9 GB of system icons ...

Sie

Ya. I dread having to reinstall VS. It feels rather bloated.

William Mariager

This isn't Visual Studio though.

This is just the specific Image Library :P

Oh well, 27 minutes. Guess I'll find something to do while it downloads.

Sie

Even VS itself is kind of bloated. Still better than using Mono Developer though.

William Mariager

MonoDevelop is horrible. Two from my college group insist on using it.

It has caused all sorts of issues while making our project.

MickLH

I just fixed the biggest memory leak I've ever seen

user4704

5:26 PM

@WilliamMariager And that library is only for your use.

Sie

I have no idea why people use it. It's slow, buggy, and it's auto fill in (I forget the word, intellisense?) rarely works properly.

user4704

iirc, VS itself (or whatever installs that), it doesn't actually use it. It's for you to get icons from in order to be consistent and such.

MickLH

Memory usage went from ~0.02 TB, down to 6844 bytes

Sie

Does IntelliSense work with anything except C++ (I thought it worked with that) and C#?

William Mariager

@Sie JavaScript

@JoshPetrie Yeah, that's why I got it. Got hired to make a program, and I needed some common icons for it.

user4704

5:29 PM

@Sie A few things. It's not functionally much different than any other code completion system.

user4704

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

user4704

It has problems with scale. So does just about every alternative though.

NaCl

@Sie Could you please tell us now what those number were?

Sie

30 mins ago, by Sie

@Leggy7 Poll. On Friday a transformer blew and it fried our A/C. So I needed to get some pictures of the poll as well as the burn streaks going down it.

Jon

jgallant.com/files/sndfx.flv

NaCl

5:36 PM

Thanks

@Jon awesome!

Jon

my first attempt

NaCl

It fits well

Almo

few know htis about the Genie in Aladdin:

NaCl

@Almo ...what? :P

Almo

This is from a Disney thing about atomic energy

In the movie when you see the genie handling an atom, it's referring to this.

I seem to remember a more direct reference from this book where the genie is actually handling an atom

Jon

5:41 PM

adding sound to this isn't very simple... i need to check a bunch of stuff

If a block is falling, how far is it actually going to fall? You can't make him scream if the fall ends quickly

Almo

oooooaaaaAAAHHHH--- whew.

but you're right, getting the audio right is going to be hard

but it will be so worth it.

Jon

i'm considering a low pitch for orange/red and high pitch for green/blue

i need to test so much

Almo

sounds like a good idea

Sie

I need to make a beam effect similar to this blue one from TF2...

DH.

A sound effect for them being clicked would be cool too

William Mariager

5:50 PM

@Almo Pun intended? :P

Almo

hahah no

MickLH

@Sie Do you know how to use billboards?

Almo

if you click a green one, they don't go away, right? Have them laugh like they're being tickled?

so many opportunities for A) awesome B) work

Sie

@MickLH Haven't messed with them in awhile. I remember playing with them in the HPL Engine though.

Even with shadows I find that it's hard to estimate exactly where the vertex will fall. That comes with playing a 3D game on a 2D screen though.

MickLH

Well for depth cues you really gotta try SSAO

That's literally and completely the only purpose of SSAO... to add very very close range contact shadows

NaCl

5:55 PM

@Almo yeah, green's laugh, red's insult you in an imaginary language

MickLH

@Sie As for that beam: Just draw a tall billboard in additive blending mode

Heuristically, "Additive Blending" corresponds to a perfectly transparent material that emits light of some color. It's different from "Alpha Blending" which corresponds to a translucent material that absorbs light of some color.

Sie

I'll look into that.

Jon

or just buy an asset that does it

Almo

@NaCl :D

Sie

@Jon eh

Jon

6:14 PM

buy all the assets

that way you don't have to code anything

Sie

ya

why bother coding? I could just buy a premade game and do it that way :P

Jon

then you didn't make it

if you buy assets you made it

Almo

seriously, plugins are great to buy for stuff like that fog thing we saw earlier

no need to go nuts coding fog if someone already did it

Jon

unless is sucks

it sucks

MickLH

if it sucks it doesn't count because it's not really fog it's just bullshit then

Jon

6:17 PM

Ragnar Otnes & Mads Ousdal - Kick the Burger

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@MickLH can you make me a song like this for gorb?

Sie

@Almo Exactly. I mean really you guys remember that fog I showed you from earlier, right? I mean realistically I'm going to use that for a transition scene and maybe some clouds. I'd say the time saved was worth the cost.

Almo

yeah

DH.

The fog you bought was really cool

I still remember the "above the clouds"/"top of mountain" example you showed weeks ago

Jon

6:37 PM

show again

so yeah i bought a keyboard

Almo

what kind

tell me not one of those mooshy things.

Jon

what is mooshy?

Corsair one

Sie

@Jon Membrane I assume.

Jon

Almo

@Jon not clicky-mechanical switches

that looks sweet

Jon

6:39 PM

ah, this is the quiet mechanical switch

Almo

ok good

still mechanical though

:)

Jon

Cherry MX

Sie

I bought a $10 key board from big lots last week. Fite me.

@DH. Ya. I am actually using that scene/view as a main menu back drop.

Here is a mock up: gfycat.com/NeglectedPaltryHorseshoebat

Jon

cool

deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX

I got the Brown

Sie

amazon.com/Pavlok-1/dp/…

A human shock collar but for you wrist.

lol

Almo

6:44 PM

@Jon which color

I have cherry blue mx, and they're noisy as fuck

Jon

brown.. no noise

Almo

oh shit didn't see you cited the color below

Jon

the blue make noise by design

brown are exact same, but no noise :)

Almo

how does that work

(i'll go look it up)

Jon

red and black are for gaming

blue/brown are for typing/work

Almo

6:46 PM

keyboardco.com/blog/index.php/2012/12/…

Sie

Wow that wiki sure has some scientific tests going on...

Almo

not identical

Sie

Almo

the trigger/release points are asymmetric on blues, but not on browns.

Jon

cool

brown seemed to be the best choice for my needs

Almo

6:48 PM

browns still have the tactile bump, and that's really good

I'm not sure I'd like the ones without the bump

Jon

you wouldn't get the feedback of having pressed the key successfully

but yeah, i'm excited to get it

Sie

Do you suppose it's possible to port Portal to a PS2?

Jon

considering you don't have the source code.... no

Sie

Maybe if I ask Valve nicely?

Probably not though.

Jon

Start sleeping with Gabe

Almo

6:54 PM

It seems unliekly a PS2 could handle it

too much physics

one way it works is by simulating areas around the portals twice and blending the results in some super sneaky ways

Jon

you could strip out all the physics

Sie

If you made the portals teleporters point a to b it could work. However you'd have to cut/rework the puzzles that need that.

Almo

you would not be porting portal

you'd be rewriting it from the ground up

Jon

you could cut everything

Sie

Remaking it.

Jon

6:56 PM

stupid idea anyways

Almo

the point of portal was that the portals weren't simple teleporters

Sie

How would I even start to develop for the PS2 if I wanted to?

Jon

go to japan

Sie

Why Japan?

Almo

something halfway through a portal was in both places at the same time

Sie

6:57 PM

Couldn't be much worse than me trying to remake Portal in QBasic.

Jon

github.com/ps2dev/ps2sdk

Sie

Which would be harder Portal remake on the PS2 or Portal remake in QBasic?

@Jon Sweet. I forgot that was floating around.

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