Game Development

Hjorthenify

12:03 AM

@William'MindWorX'Mariager IDA?

TheMuffinCoder

LOL look at this fools, trying to sell bad html5 games for 1000$ marketjs.com

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Hjorthenify dm.dk

Through DM I can get into "lærerstandens brandforsikring", and because I'm a student I get 50% of my inhouse insurance and 25% of my personal insurance.

Hjorthenify

Ah

I'll look at it when i get home :)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Yeah, you should.

I saved 50% on my car insurance :D It's awesome. Went from 14k to 7k.

Hjorthenify

Thats hopefully not in euros

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

12:11 AM

Haha, DKKs ofc :P

Hjorthenify

:P Still expensive.. Good thing we have public transportation here

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Hehe, my GF kinda needs the car for her job :P

I'm thinking about getting an MC though. It's more versatile than public transport and cheaper. It'd suck sometimes of course, but I think it's still preferable.

Hjorthenify

MC aren't built for gravel roads

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

... gravel roads? Where do you live?!

Hjorthenify

Jylland? :P

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

12:16 AM

Psh, we have plenty of good roads. All the money we make :P

Hjorthenify

Oh right. The stone brick ones a descent :P

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

:P

Hjorthenify

Well jokes aside.. A MC sounds pretty neat :)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

It's only going to be a cheap crappy one :P But still

Hjorthenify

Yeah

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

12:19 AM

I can get one for 10k and with a three year warranty which is plenty enough.

Joe

1:17 AM

@TheMuffinCoder lol! im not going to place some of that stuff looks good though

man id be thrilled to get the tshirt

user92578

6:37 AM

Added grass placement, and now off to school:

user92578

user92578

6:54 AM

Oh no I forgot the grass stuff that comes out of the ground

user92578

And there seems to be a couple of bugs

user92578

I use 6 different tiles and 4bit masking, so I've probably messed an ID up in the translation array

Kevin van der Velden

8:44 AM

I have a plan for the js13k

:o

I'm thinking I'll make the reverse of invisible inc. i.e., you build the base and then AI agents will try to steal stuff

user92578

9:06 AM

Sounds really cool

Kevin van der Velden

The question of if I can pull it off remains open

I think I've got the agent AI mostly figured out in my head

user92578

I got the grass working properly:

user92578

And I've still got an hour before I have to leave to school again

Jon

9:52 AM

SSD Shipped.... now just missing my cpu cooler

user92578

nice

user92578

I gotta say that I would rather stay home and code than go walk in the rain back to school again

Jon

says in stock on their website..

user92578

But I guess I'll get trough just one english class

Jon

i asked them and they said that they expect to get restocked next week -- not happy about that

ncix.com/detail/…

IN STOCK!

user92578

9:55 AM

really annoying

Jon

In fact .. 3 of the items that said In Stock, were not in stock

First time I had this issue with them.

I think their stock management system is fucked up

user92578

:(

user92578

I might have to re-order my tileset once again

user92578

To make it more cleaner

Jon

Would suck to have everything except the CPU cooler.

Yeah why? looks fine

stop re-starting everything :P

user92578

9:57 AM

:D

Jon

you are a serial restarter

user92578

But consistence!

user92578

I know...

user92578

But see how the tiles are duplicated:

user92578

9:58 AM

Fuck Gimp and the black color

user92578

but you get the idea

Jon

hmmm

user92578

Not all duplication is required

Jon

just to get that different shade?

user92578

Well currently It's just a small shade difference

user92578

9:59 AM

But I'd like to add some different border stuff etc

user92578

But yeah, the new format I use requires a 8x6 grid of the base tiles

user92578

So the stuff at the top left is rendered useless

user92578

oh man I think I'll try to implement a ladder brush when I get home after I've first left home

user92578

Anyways I gotta start prepare for leaving

user92578

see you in a couple of hours

Ali.S

10:09 AM

@Tyyppi_77 how are you packing stuff?

user92578

10:21 AM

@Ali.S Packing?

Jon

sprite packing.. your sprites are all soooo tidy

Ali.S

as in putting different kinds of tiles together to form that big reference texture?

Jon

wow

user92578

That's where I draw the stuff, directly to that single big texture

Jon

amazing video stabilization tech vimeo.com/136663915

Ali.S

10:23 AM

well you can try these projects:
https://spritesheetpacker.codeplex.com/
https://www.codeandweb.com/texturepacker

Jon

second one isn't free

turns random sprites red

Ali.S

personally I prefer the former (cuz it's open source)

user92578

Well I don't see why that would help me?

Ali.S

@Tyyppi_77 it'll be easier to edit each sprite better

@Jon never had those kinda problems

Jon

you used it? It turns random sprites red until you buy it

might be a sprite limit on it

I thought it was shit anyways.

Better one is ShoeBox

Ali.S

10:25 AM

@Jon and there is a free version

Jon

renderhjs.net/shoebox

user92578

Why? I like working on the big sheet, allows me to see how a tile will blend with the others easily

Kevin van der Velden

stb has a library for rectangle packaging: github.com/nothings/stb/blob/master/stb_rect_pack.h

user92578

Keep the theme consistent that is

user92578

But yeah, I think I'll just reorder the tiles slightly

user92578

10:27 AM

Dump some duplicated stuff etc

Jon

The thing with sprite packers, is you can generate the atlas + the sheet

the ordering is not important

And you can add padding, and extrusions and shit

really fast

user92578

Oh true

user92578

I just don't see the huge benefit

Jon

it benefits when you have sprites all over the place

user92578

"Oh that looks ugly"

user92578

10:30 AM

"Wait where is the file"

11:15 AM

gamedev.net/page/resources/_/technical/artificial-intelligence/…

@Tyyppi_77 You should really check that out

user92578

12:00 PM

Oookay

user92578

Yeah current AI can't do pathfinding, just walk on a single surface and not fall off

user92578

I think I've read that article when I was thinking about AI

user92578

But the whole AI is going to get a re-make I think someday

Jon

concept is simple. you tie the platforms together in a nodal like fashion

if platform2 can be reached by platform1, you link them

gives you a path -- Then it is a matter of determining what node a position is closest to

user92578

Yeah awesome pathfinding sure is something that could make the game pop out

Jon

12:03 PM

Yep... quite frankly it could make or break your game

you could add dogs

super fast and come at you

user92578

Yup

user92578

I actually think I'll just keep the tileset for now

user92578

But now, a ladder brush

user92578

2-bit masking in coming

Jon

hehe

user92578

12:06 PM

Oh no, wait, 1-bit I think

user92578

My bottom ladder is not different at all

user92578

so it's just a matter of "Am I the top-most ladder?"

Jon

easy peasy

user92578

Yup

user92578

After that I think I want to do a bridge brush

user92578

12:08 PM

And then I think I need to do some core work

user92578

Saving/Loading

user92578

Or entity/trigger/collision stuff

Jon

fun stuff man

is the level editor in game?

user92578

Yeah

user92578

I need to spend some extra time fighting the GUI system, but then on the other hand it is really awesome :D

user92578

12:10 PM

And allows quick testing etc

user92578

Oh I don't actually know how I'm going to do the multiple-different-brushes stuff in the editor yet

user92578

Might have to do an ugly if-chain

Jon

layers

user92578

Yeah I have layers

Jon

the background tiles is a layer... the collidable tiles is a layer... Then you have another layer for objects

or multiple layers for objects, if they overlap

user92578

12:13 PM

Yeah, something like that

Jon

you are going to have to have some IF statements to handle the types somewhere

user92578

This is just an idea, but I might actually create the collision rects from the foreground tiles

user92578

Yeah that is true

Jon

or if you do inheritance

you could just call the base function

but whatevs

user92578

Yeah true, but I need different constructors

Jon

12:14 PM

you would still need to cast

user92578

Funny thing is that I'm still using Tiled for just one purpose: it's the easiest way to get a tile ID for a sprite

Jon

I wrote my own sprite class

Then I have a spritesheet class

user92578

me too

Jon

I assign an ID to every sprite that is loaded

Then my animation system is derived off of the loaded sprite IDs

user92578

Yeah sounds kinda like mine

user92578

12:21 PM

But getting a tile ID to use in the editor, just clicking a tile in Tiled is so much faster than trying to calculate it from a GIMP coordinate

Jon

cool, sounds like you are doing everything right, haha

user92578

:D

Jon

yeah, that is where spritesheet atlases come in handy

best to code that.. but it is difficult when your pixels are touching

Unless all sprites are the same size, then you can just grid it

user92578

Mine are

Jon

you could easily code the sprite splitting

assign IDs

user92578

12:30 PM

Here we go:

user92578

Now I just need to add the if (selectedBrush == LADDER_BRUSH) stuff

user92578

Jon

12:51 PM

friggen cats

user92578

lol

Joe

that is a GIANT mouse

user92578

Elektroniikkabändi - Ameno

►

Joe

1:10 PM

MIND BLOWN - p01.org/releases/140bytes_music_softSynth

Almo

shame it's not fun though

Pip

Eyo!

user92578

Eyo!

Pip

@Jon nice to see you working on that again!

Jon

I get random snags in my physics engine, at the corner of a polygon

watch...

user92578

1:23 PM

Ouch

Pip

huh

try moving it down a tiny bit

Jon

lol, yah I tried man

it randomly gets snagged on that polygon edge

tried multiple variations in positioning

Pip

Any way to smooth that corner?

Jon

i could add more vertices there, but I think that is the problem

Almo

@Jon oh nuts

Jon

1:25 PM

wow, @Pip that might of fixed it

just added another vert

Pip

heh, nice

Almo

sweet

Jon

yeah, no more snagging up to now.. looks good

user92578

Okay I think I really need to separate the tile types from the layer types

Jon

and @Pip wasn't working on it, just checked it out for a sec :)

user92578

1:30 PM

Because I really want my "structure" tiles to connect to the ground tiles

Pip

Heh

So, I found someone's list of the bugs in Unity Linux currently

splash screen stays active in behind during project selection screen
close button is missing on project select screen
save scene has "Open" button instead of "Save" button
color chooser dialog can't be resized, moved and it's height is wrong so you can't set RGBA color correctly
animation controller doesn't show correct context menu when you right click selected item
tabs in editor are way to sensitive for poping out
mouse position can sometime be wrongly calculated and offseted by menubar(happens when dragging objects)

That's a lot

user92578

yup

user92578

hmmm, I wonder how do I do this effeciently

Jon

that are the bugs for his personal project.

oh wait, lol

well, they did say it was beta

user92578

I kinda like the feeling when you break something intentionally, hit F7, and wait for the shit to hit the fan :D

Jon

1:45 PM

everyone is reporting stable @ 4.5Ghz OC for the 6600K

~110W

the wattage jumps pretty dramatically after 4.5 though

Pip

nice

Jon

Yah, that is a 1Ghz gain

Hjorthenify

@Pip doesn't seem too serious though

Jon

They apparently had massive issues getting to 14nm process

next family will be 14nm then they switch to 10nm

I have a feeling that 10nm switch is going to be pushed back

They need to focus on core efficiency more, instead of size, to reduce power draw

user92578

Getting closer:

user92578

1:53 PM

user92578

Okay, so that works

user92578

Now everything on a same layer connects

Pip

@Almo forward it to me?

Almo

gimme an address

Pip

ward (dot) programm3r at the g mails dot com

just so it doesn't stand out in the log :P

user92578

2:10 PM

It's something:

user92578

All tough I'm not a huge fan of the current "bunker" sprites

user92578

And it's a bit buggy still

user92578

Really buggy...

user92578

But hey, atleast I didn't break any existing stuff

Hjorthenify

2:19 PM

Finally home!

user92578

Nice!

user92578

2:34 PM

The fact that my tiles are actually a bit smaller than 16x16 (because of the borders) makes smooth transitions quite difficult

user92578

I need to have a thing behind a tile for connecting stuff

user92578

So basically if a bridge starts at (10, 5), the first tile needs to be at (9, 5)

user92578

But I guess that's a reason why I'm making a custom editor; the brush will automatically place the tiles where needed

Pip

3:11 PM

Anyone else noticing Google's servers being slow?

Not just youtube, which is what I was using. Like.... google.com as well

huh, whatever. Seems to work now.

user92578

Youtube's been real slow for me

Jon

holy fuck the fan I bought is fucken huge

Joe

HAHA!! jsfiddle.net/xdbn7Lon (please note the volume is set to 2.5% and this is still kind of loud)

user92578

cool

Almo

@Jon pics or it didn't happen

Jon

3:20 PM

Noctua NH-U14S CPU Cooler Unboxing & Review

►

I measured my case just to be sure

It clears it

Almo

neat

Jon

I didn't realize how friggen big it was.

Almo

is it quiet because it's so big?

i like quiet fans

Jon

yeah 140mm fan

its suppose to be very quiet for a fan based cooling

Almo

Kevin van der Velden

3:23 PM

Bigger fan allows lower RPM for the same airflow, making it quieter indeed :)

Jon

I should of checked compatibility first with my mobo

Luckily it is on the compatibility list

Quite frankly, I thought it was 1/3 the size

lol.

Almo

:D

Jon

that might be a microatx board though

Well anyways, not gonna be scared to OC my chip now

4.5ghz here I come

Pip

3:40 PM

HAHAHA THAT IS AWESOME

nice fan pickup

Jon

I may have to remove 2 fans from my case to make it fit, but not sure yet.

Pip

worth

Jon

my case has 7 fans

user92578

wow that's a lot

Jon

user4704

3:47 PM

O_o

user4704

That uh.

user4704

Looks gross.

Jon

bought it a long time ago, lol

it is massive

user4704

I hope you hide it under your desk

Jon

yeah of course

user4704

3:48 PM

otherwise i might worry about what long-term exposure will do to your eyes

user4704

:D

user92578

Bridges!

user92578

4

Jon

its too big to be on a desk

user4704

I have such a hard time buying PC cases because I think they're basically all ugly.

Jon

3:49 PM

I bought that case back in.... shit 2001

2003

Pip

@JoshPetrie yes

@Tyyppi_77 You've been working hard, man. Nice job.

user92578

Thanks!

user92578

I might have to do something about erasing stuff tough...

user92578

If you click on the railing or on the supports, weird stuff happens

Jon

@Pip

Pip

3:56 PM

Hm?

user92578

Okay, well, that was an easy fix

Pip

I'm going with a 960, that's been decided

nice OC though

Jon

whats your PS?

user92578

Just checking whether there is a bridge below or above us, and adjusting the erasing position based on that

Pip

450?

Jon

3:56 PM

you might want to get a bigger one

Pip

Possbily

I might go for a 750 one

Jon

200W under load + 91W for the cpu

Pip

Again, the cost :/

Joe

ok i have background music! but now i need to reduce 500 bytes

Lasse

lower bitrate

Joe

3:59 PM

soo the "music" is code... i literally have no otherfiles outside of a js and html index

Pip

@Jon yeah, I'm at 296 with no OC

Lasse

oh

Joe

i think i need to remove code logic? idk

Lasse

is it minified?

Jon

user92578

4:09 PM

lol

Kevin van der Velden

4:53 PM

People that are doing the 13k js thingamajing

What libraries are you using?

Almo

@JoshPetrie cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/06/2013_mac_pro.jpg :D

user92578

I just can't draw a good fucking bunker wall tile

user92578

The coloring is so hard to get right

Joe

@Lasse yea im 500 bytes too big minified

@KevinvanderVelden i wrote everything from scratch with the exception of my sound code

user92578

start renaming your variables to a, b

Joe

5:05 PM

^ the miniifcation already does this

user92578

aaaaah

Joe

@KevinvanderVelden js13kgames.github.io/resources i use JSFXR that @TheMuffinCoder reccomended and i also use the soft synth code for bg music right now gist.github.com/p01/1285255

Kevin van der Velden

@Joe JSFXR is indeed the plan

I'm also probably going to be using twgl to help with webgl

Joe

i wasted a few days trying to do actual wave files until muffin showed me that

user92578

Looks like I'm stuck, so I'll just call it a day

user92578

5:09 PM

cya guys tomorrow

Pip

5:21 PM

later Tyyppi

Joe

@KevinvanderVelden think you can fit webgl in 13k?

Kevin van der Velden

@Joe easy

Given that webgl is in the browser =p

Joe

but 3d models and stuff? or your going to go proc gen route?

Kevin van der Velden

Proc gen

Well

I'm going to go with tile based stuff and sprites

Just webgl for rendering it quickly

Joe

ahhhh

Hjorthenify

5:41 PM

@Joe codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/2682/…

Joe

cool ty

Kevin van der Velden

6:04 PM

Aah

Protip: When working with random numbers in GLSL, don't store the seed in a float

On the bright side, I've got my background working!

Hjorthenify

What happens?

Kevin van der Velden

6:18 PM

Well, I did a ripple effect, with the last few ripples showing as well

However, sometimes rarely all the ripples would move to a different position

Well, all, several at once

Which should never happen, except for floating point imprecision

Yeah first bit of art

Now to make it a shitton smaller because it's nearly 4kilobyte

Hjorthenify

@KevinvanderVelden stream!

Kevin van der Velden

Haha ok

Streaming CC @Hjorthenify

Almo

6:50 PM

18

Q: Who are these DC superheroes?

Besides Batman, Superman , Wonder Woman and Green Lantern, who are these superheroes?

dc-comics

hahaha

check out the comments on the most-upvoted answer

Hjorthenify

I'm really considering going back to windows 7 and dual boot windows 10 instead..

Lokkij

An overview of the entire dungeon in DCSS:

You need three runes to enter the realm of Zot, where you can take the orb and win, so it's definitely not necessary to visit everything to win.

Almo

8:08 PM

ok got my dog working and animating and following the player in UE4

now I have to move to our client's version of UE4, and figure out what they've changed

Ali.S

8:22 PM

@Almo for a second I read "my dog's working ... "

Almo

ahhaha

Joe

i did the same thing... "hes got a dog that makes games... I am a horrible developer"

2

Ali.S

and I was like what? his dog is smart enough to tackle with UE4?

Almo

hahahah

Ali.S

@almo please don't break our spirit like that!

Almo

8:24 PM

:)

Joe

lol

Hjorthenify

9:17 PM

My mother has this issue with her windows 8 PC where each button press is triggered twice (once when pressed and once when released) any suggestions on how to fix it? I did check easy of use functions and did a system restore. It also seems as if the alt key is held at all times.

Lokkij

Ooh, they've been busy making a documentary about Magic: the Gathering and its pro tour for two years! :D

Ali.S

9:35 PM

@Hjorthenify try another keyboard

Hjorthenify

@Ali.S Laptop :/

Ali.S

try another keyboard!

like open it up...

disconnect internal keyboard connector

Hjorthenify