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1:11 AM
@J.Musser What, you didn't see the Bat Signal? :P
 
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Q: What should a good Lifehacks answer look like?

William the PleaserI've been answering questions here on and off since the private beta started. Going by reputation, I think I've done ok - but it doesn't feel that way. Quite frankly, I still have no clear idea of how I should be answering these questions. A question I answered yesterday hammered this home for m...

 
@Shokhet :P
 
1:49 AM
I'd love commentary on my answer to the question linked just above above
 
wow, that's a ranty-ish question.
@ZachSaucier I agree withh the answer
 
@J.Musser kind of, but it's a question that could be useful to answer clearly
hence why I'd like feedback
 
What kind of feedback?
 
anything wrong/should add
I'm not sure how to address his #4 (laundry list answers)
they're fine so long as each point is valid and supported by evidence IMO
 
@ZachSaucier Those are what darthness does
They're ok
 
1:54 AM
I know, it's a straight callout xD
 
lol
 
2:48 AM
Lemme be blunt, @Origin: I think y'all know good and well what a hack is, and what a good, hack answer looks like. I think some of you are too afraid of what that means to admit it, and so we keep dancing around it with these weird-ass definitions that try to allow everything already posted that someone, somewhere liked. So I've got my little goad and I'm gonna keep prodding until you're ready to step up and own this thing. — Shog9 ♦ 7 mins ago
Honestly not sure what he's saying there
 
@Sterno would love feedback on my answer on what's a good answer
 
@ZachSaucier I'm still digesting that one
There's a lot going on in that question.
I hate the answers that cite like 5 different solutions. Which one am I voting on?
 
that doesn't make it invalid though
I rarely upvote them, just down vote when one is wrong
 
Well, very few answers are actually invalid
Even wrong ones
 
3:47 AM
This answer has been edited a few times and has left me confused. No, we shouldn't down-vote if the answer is convention, but yes we should down-vote if it's not creative? Aren't those contradictory? It seems like my basis for whether or not I think an answer is creative is often going to be the inverse of whether or not I think it is conventional. — Sterno 1 min ago
@ZachSaucier
 
again, creative or not is also depends on region and culture isn't. This will also lead to controversy again in future..
 
"creative, meaning they use materials that are on hand for uses besides their intended use."
if you have a better word for it I'll be happy to change
 
@JoachinJoseph Yeah, but we're talking about voting. I think it's fine if it's subjective about what someone deems to be creative.
 
@Sterno how was it contradictory?
 
@ZachSaucier In what case would there be a conventional, creative answer?
 
3:53 AM
@Sterno I'm not sure
 
I guess my point is, we're saying "Don't downvote conventional... but downvote non-creative". To me, conventional automatically makes something non-creative
even with the "not an intended use of the material" thing... once the answer is conventional, it now becomes an intended use of the material
Or at least a "commonly accepted use" of it
 
I suppose
I wasn't considering the first part much when editing it today
 
The first part is what most people read if they're in TLDR mode
 
ya, I know
 
And that basically says, "No, don't downvote conventional answers". The bit about "Really, though, downvote it if you don't think it's a lifehack" is at the bottom
And I kind of feel like conventional = not a lifehack
Obviously cultural differences, in some cases, will make something seem like a hack to one person and not one to another. But I have to imagine that's pretty rare
I think the main point should really be "Downvote the crap out of non-hack answers. Yeah, that's kind of subjective. Hey, it's voting, and that's subjective too. It all works out."
However, if that's not the point you intend, I can post my own answer. I brought this up because I ended up being confused about where you stand on it and what your answer is trying to communicate
 
4:01 AM
it's a tricky subject
 
That should be Lifehacks.SE's tagline
There is absolutely no reason for this answer to have all the upvotes it does:
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A: How do I fill a hot water urn that doesn't fit in the sink?

SternoStep 1: Get a smaller container which actually fits in the sink. Step 2: Fill it up. Step 3: Dump it into the larger container Step 4: Repeat Steps 1-3 as needed.

This is exactly the sort of answer that should be down-voted into oblivion.
 
@Sterno did mah best
:D
I actually didn't see that answer before today.
 
@J.Musser same
 
There's plenty like it.
 
I know.
I try to downvote them all into oblivion, but apparently get only one vote per post... jk
 
4:07 AM
I'm at 400+ rep on the site. 100 is the network bonus. I've got 3 answers, two of which are conventional and one of which is... eh... I don't know. I would hope conventional, but given the question, who knows.
I think Shog9's frustration in recent posts is the community's inability to do anything about these. I'm not sure if it's just not that enough people are bothering to read meta, or if it isn't clearly communicated there
 
some of both most likely
 
@Sterno Most of meta stuff seems to be around questions, but it's true that not enough people have been reading.
 
@ZachSaucier Which is why I went back and read that meta, and at first glance your answer seemed to me to actually be saying "Don't downvote non-hack answers... it might seem hacky to someone else" in the first half of it (which is about as far as most people will bother reading)
To me, conventional = non-hack
 
^^
Ah, new question
 
@Sterno ya, I'll rephrase
I wonder if people answer to say "yes" more so, haha
 
4:11 AM
I guess I can do my part by deleting my non-hack answers. I posted them early in the beta mostly as an experiment to see what would happen with them.
 
@Sterno Shall we do a site cleanse like we did with questions, and work on getting rid of all non-hack answers?
That would be a challenge...
 
I think you'd need mods first.
 
More importantly, you'd need community buy-in first.
Hrm. After that deletion I'll probably lose the ability to downvote. :P
 
We need a answer post in meta then
@Sterno Post some hack answers!
@Sterno Let's get some.
 
4:15 AM
@J.Musser I've cast my votes. That is the extent of my power in the matter!
 
@Sterno same
 
@J.Musser Honestly, in 90% of cases I find the idea of lifehacks absurd.
 
@Sterno I love them
 
One of many reasons you would make a good mod here and I would not. :)
I find that usually I just want to say "USE THE THING THAT IS DESIGNED TO DO IT FOR YOU, IDIOT"
 
@Sterno but when that's unavailable...
 
4:17 AM
 
^^great idea
I hadn't even thought of it
 
Keeping those empty bottle lids around is more work than keeping rubber bands around
And my kids would totally manage to cut themselves on them
 
@Sterno But I usually have bottles around.
@Sterno huh. what's wrong with your kids?
jk
 
I have seen it before
twisties are easier :P
 
I am out of twisties.
 
4:19 AM
@ZachSaucier And you can steal them from the loaf of bread that you never bother retwisting!
 
I usually just leave the bag open x)
 
or finish the contents off
 
I usually just roll the bag up, then set it upside down so that it doesn't unroll. I think maybe once in my life has that ever had a detrimental result
There could literally be a rubber band right there and I still wouldn't bother.
 
same if I don't have a twistie
 
4:21 AM
@Sterno huh, do they still use twisties? My bread bags have those annoying plastic things holding them shut
 
lots of bread use plastic squares
 
@J.Musser Oh, yeah. Those suck to reuse. Depends on the brand. Mine seems to be about 50/50
All I know for sure is that I end up with twisties all over the place that I never bother putting back on whatever they came off of, and also am too lazy to throw away right that minute
 
I don't have any.
I have a spool of wire in the basement I could use.
 
Either way, "Use this thing designed to keep bags shut" wouldn't be a lifehack, even if it's "move it from your bread to your chip bag"
 
And a couple more spools in the truck
 
4:24 AM
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Was so tempted to post that to the water boiling one
 
that would be naa^
 
@J.Musser Yes, I resisted the urge to troll.
 
@Sterno Those are the greatest life hacks ever
 
you - had an urge to troll? weird.
 
Shocking, I know.
 
4:29 AM
@Sterno I might ask questions just so I can post those answers
 
@michaelpri Most of those would be naa
 
Is this an appropriate answer to "should we downvote conventional answers?"
> [Our definition](http://meta.lifehacks.stackexchange.com/a/1159/78) of lifehacks (implemented in [our new scope](http://meta.lifehacks.stackexchange.com/questions/1217/the-scope-of-lifehacks)) defines lifehacks to be "creative, meaning they use materials that are on hand for uses besides their intended use."
> Therefore, **if the answer is not creative** (as we define it) **then it isn't a lifehack**. With that being said, creative lifehack versions of a product made to solve the problem at hand can make for *great* answers.
 
^^lol, links no embed
 
because it's a quote
 
yah
@ZachSaucier processing ... ... ...
 
4:35 AM
I'd start with, simply, the word "Yes". We should downvote conventional answers. That is the key point.
(unless we disagree)
 
@ZachSaucier Nothing wrong with your statement
@Sterno weren't we already?
 
That would be pretty much the opposite of what your original, first draft answer was, though
 
@Sterno that means we have to decide on a "target culture" meta.lifehacks.stackexchange.com/questions/1118/…
 
Conventional answers aren't really 'answers' here
 
@ZachSaucier Does it? It's not like we can actually enforce voting in the first place. It's just a guideline we hope people will follow. If 80% of the world thinks an answer is conventional and 20% doesn't, the voting will reflect that, but it's not like the answer will actually be deleted. Someone in the 20% reading it could still say "Woah... I never knew that existed!"
 
4:39 AM
I suppose
 
I don't see a problem with letting it be a little subjective. I certainly am not going to go reference some "target culture" meta post and then try to figure out what the convention is there before voting.
I'm not even sure how I'd figure out what the target culture thinks is conventional unless I'm part of that target culture
 
I suppose people with access to this site are generally of a high enough status to have these things lying around
if they're not then this site won't be useful anyway
 
Really, my voting will be "Is it a hack?" and "Is it useful?"
 
And woe be to those who try to justify their "not a hack" downvotes to someone who disagrees. Comment drama guaranteed!
I hate all the "Why the downvote?" comments. The answer is obviously always some variation of "I think your answer was bad." Most of the time it goes beyond something fixable with a quick edit.
Just leads to people arguing
 
4:49 AM
@Sterno I'm going to start using that in meta
 
5:02 AM
@Sterno I edited the answer to match our current thought
 
5:27 AM
@Sterno May I ask that your comment be removed? I'm afraid it'll cause confusion
 
 
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Q: How to clean crevices of electronics without compressed air?

MoosemanFor cleaning keyboards and other computer components not reachable with a cloth, I generally use a can of compressed air. However, the can is empty. What else can I use that would be a general household item?

 
 
4 hours later…
3:31 PM
I thought we'd get some resistance to the new "no conventional solution" requirement
 
meh
expect resistance no matter what you do; it's impossible for everyone to look at everything (even one thing) the same way
 
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Q: How to get out of the public restroom with clean hands?

SompuperooSome public restrooms are just nasty to say the least, but even the ones that look clean may have many nasty germs inhabiting them. I'm not interested in the full process of keeping everything of myself clean while in a public restroom. I'm only interested in how to keep my hands as clean as poss...

Which one of these answers is a hack?
 
none
 
uh... ...
downvote them into oblivion!!!
 
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A: Should we be downvoting conventional answers?

GillesAre we looking for artistic or practical answers? The “new scope” defines a lifehack as a technique that can be implemented quickly and is used to make one's physical life more efficient when a more standard approach This implies that we are looking for practical answers. Therefore, what m...

 
3:38 PM
I see your answer wasn't general consensus, @Zach. I wonder what would be.
 
I'm sure the downvoters just think conventional solutions should be valid
 
That's weird.
Because that disqualifies them from being hacks.
So how could they be answers on a hack site like this?
:D
 
@J.Musser because they say they're useful
 
Because they get points
 
I suppose that I should make it more clear that conventional solutions are not answering the question
because questions implicitly seek lifehack answers
 
3:44 PM
^^
 
yep
 
There's actually a lot less than I expected, but I wonder how many people are secretly plagiarizing.
 
probably a few
To be expected on a site like this.
Just google bits of folks posts and see what comes up.
 
4:37 PM
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A: Waking up in the morning when standard alarms fail

h34This is not meant to be a sarcastic answer, but some people swear by banging their head on the pillow when they go to bed, e.g. seven times if they want to wake up at 7am. I wouldn't rely on this if it was really important to wake up at a certain time, but when it isn't it's worth a try for the f...

wut
That's... naa
 
4:53 PM
@Shokhet what are your thoughts on the (sort of) new restriction?
 
@ZachSaucier Which one?
 
@ZachSaucier Looking at old comments, abby hairboat has been DVing answers for a long time for being "conventional;" I don't think that this is all that new.
 
as I said sort of
 
.....all the same, I think Jaydles' answer said it best -- the solutions have to be not obvious to the layperson
even if they teach plumbing with a toothbrush in the first semester of plumber school :P
I sincerely doubt this works. I've never tried it, but I know enough about the science of sleep to know that this makes no sense at all. (I've published in JCSM) — Shokhet 10 secs ago
.....I wouldn't delete that one as NAA; but it certainly deserves the DVs
@J.Musser See above comment.
 
4:58 PM
did
 
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A: How can I figure out which side of the car the gas hatch is on (without getting out)?

JaydlesPretty much every car made in the last couple of decades has a gas hatch indicator arrow right on the dashboard: Just look for the arrow next to the pump icon. I'd seen that little triangle thousands of times and never noticed it until a friend told me it indicates the side the gas cap is on.

 
omg that got some votes.
 
@J.Musser it must have been put on other SE networks on the side
 
except that there's apparently some things that aren't obvious to the layperson.
 
@J.Musser Yah. Jaydles is almost a 1K user from that one Q/A set
 
4:59 PM
well I already knew that one, but I tell it to folks all the time; apparently most people don't know that. Which is why I'm okay with that one.
@ZachSaucier hot network questions?
 
@J.Musser I didn't know that, but I haven't been driving for all that long
 
Does not knowing the solution that's built in make it a lifehack?
 
@J.Musser ya
@MattS. no
 
@MattS. Yes. "not known to the average layperson" qualifies
@ZachSaucier I think I'm with Jaydles on this one.
 
to the average person yes
 
5:01 PM
I can make a Q&A explaining how to mix pizza dough with a mixer?
 
@ZachSaucier So we agree; just we both understood @MattS. differently :P
 
My truck make it obvious. It says something like, "gas tank opens on the right", with a big arrow. XD
 
@J.Musser :P
 
@Shokhet which one
 
@ZachSaucier That comment was a response to
2 mins ago, by Matt S.
Does not knowing the solution that's built in make it a lifehack?
Answer: yes
....you said "no," but I think we took Matt's comment differently
 
5:03 PM
I meant which JayDies answer
 
regarding "to the average person yes"
@ZachSaucier ?
 
@Shokhet It's a '99 dodge ram 1500 laramie slt
 
pay attention to what I reply to xD
 
@ZachSaucier Not the gas tank one; the Meta one
 
so not only new cars are that way
 
5:04 PM
"the meta one"
lol
 
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A: What is a lifehack?

JaydlesI've given this a some thought lately, because while this topic presents a lot of challenges for our model, I think this could be a very useful site, if we can limit the scope enough to make it appealing to a core community and as helpful as it can be. My thinking below doesn't deviate much fro...

 
it would have been quite helpful if you stated that
as none of us were referring to the question at all xD
I disagree with "Easier or more effective than the most obvious approach"
that's what voting is for
 
@ZachSaucier You're right. I assumed I would be understood, because that was the last thing we were talking about when I was last in here
 
he's not answering the question in that meta post
 
@ZachSaucier Probably would have been better off starting a new question; in case there haven't been enough "saving LH" and "new scope" posts recently :P
 
5:08 PM
This is helpful content, but I feel like it should be placed on a meta issue discussing it specifically — Zach Saucier 23 hours ago
even though I disagree with many of his points, his mentality is more or less correct
 
I think our site is more or less headed in the right direction; it's just a matter of keeping it that way, for now.
this answer definitely qualifies as "creative," IMO
deserving of many upvotes
(no, it's not my own answer :P)
 
5:28 PM
Wasn't sure how to tag this one.
 
@J.Musser definitely fits.
I don't know what else. Do we have ?
 
I disagree with one being made
at least right now
@J.Musser the tags are fine
 
They don't describe the question well, but whatever.
I created just for that
lol
It didn't seem like that many dv's til I saw them in a row
 
I'm at 22 this morning.
Probably not a good sign.
 
You have 75 up, 75 down.
nice and even'
I'm at 464 up, 74 down
 
5:48 PM
Wow. I barely have any rep...
 
@JamesLynch Correct
 
I'll get there eventually. Soon...
 
That's where the goal of the site is still being confused.
Is it to help people, or come up with creative solutions?
 
help people with creative solutions
not to come up with them most of the time
 
He's confused why he can't help people with the non-creative solution, if that's what they need.
 
agreed, that's why we commented in reply
 
I don't think it helps.
If you look at all the questions and answers, they're pretty conventional.
He's going by what he sees on the site. Not by what people are saying.
Because they're still two different things.
 
6:43 PM
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A: How can I not hurt my fingers when using a hammer

apaul34208There's clothespin trick, but that one is almost a meme at this point. So, how about the traditional approach: Set the nail. Place the tip of the nail where you want to drive your nail and just push it in with your fingers. If the surface is too hard to push it in by hand, grip the hammer hi...

 
@ZachSaucier I get what you're saying. I strongly disagree with a site where we pretend to help people but refuse solutions because they're not creative enough.
@MattS. No, you're committing a fallacy here (I don't remember what it's called). I'm not saying we can't help people with non-creative solutions. I'm saying that when people need a non-creative solutions, that is what we should provide.
 
@Gilles That's what I said?
 
Most questions that don't require a creative solution should be off-topic. But if a question happens to be on-topic and happens to call for a conventional solution, we should provide the conventional solution.
 
@Gilles Then the site should be closed for being a catch-all site.
 
@MattS. No, I'm going by whether the site can be useful
A site that excludes the best solution isn't useful to people who are trying to solve problems.
 
6:48 PM
@MattS. +1
 
Does it have to be useful?
 
@MattS. A catch-all site that excludes the best solution is worse than a catch-all site that seeks to provide the best solution. Filtering answers for creativity doesn't help with the catch-all aspect.
 
We could still make it a challenge site.
 
@MattS. we've discussed this already
@Gilles sure it does
it restricts it to the subject - lifehacks
 
I don't think it's working.
 
6:49 PM
@ZachSaucier No, restricting the subject would be restricting the questions, not the answers.
 
the question implicitly are seeking lifehack answers
therefore if the answer is not a lifehack then they're not answering the question
 
@ZachSaucier No, that doesn't follow
If the answer solves the problem, it's a good answer
 
but it's not a lifehack
 
If it isn't a hack, then maybe the question is off-topic.
 
that's can't be true
either the question is on topic or it isn't, regardless of the answers
 
6:52 PM
A question isn't on/off-topic based on the answers it gets, but it can be on/off-topic based on the answers it seeks
if the question doesn't call for lifehack answers, it's off-topic
 
it's implicit
they're posting on lifehacks for a reason
every question doesn't need to state, "I want a lifehack"
 
@ZachSaucier you know, people post on websites because hey, a textbox!
 
frankly, I don't care as well
because it doesn't matter what they think
 
So what should we do about, say, this?
 
posting on lifehacks should generate lifehack answers
 
6:54 PM
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A: Is there any way to kill a fly without a flyswatter?

Zach SaucierThe trick of how to kill flies is the approach rather than the item used. Flies have nearly 360 degree vision, so sneaking won't help. First, wait for them to land somewhere that you can strike against. Waving them towards an area can help, but isn't fully effective. Once it is landed on an acce...

 
what about it?
 
that's a good description of the utterly conventional way to strike a fly
 
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A: How can I figure out which side of the car the gas hatch is on (without getting out)?

JaydlesPretty much every car made in the last couple of decades has a gas hatch indicator arrow right on the dashboard: Just look for the arrow next to the pump icon. I'd seen that little triangle thousands of times and never noticed it until a friend told me it indicates the side the gas cap is on.

same reason as this answer being valid
 
which is?
 
it has to be analyzed in each case
and frankly both are not very lifehacky
 
6:56 PM
so, why are these two answers valid in spite of being completely conventional?
 
why? Earlier you were saying that conventional answers are not valid
 
2 hours ago, by J. Musser
well I already knew that one, but I tell it to folks all the time; apparently most people don't know that. Which is why I'm okay with that one.
Same reasoning
 
@ZachSaucier but if you follow this line of reasoning then no answer passes the “conventional” test. There's always someone somewhere who missed that.
 
we're basing convention on what most people know. A grey area for sure, requiring each answer to be analyzed individually, but the only way we'll be able to make this site succeed
 
7:04 PM
So it's not about creativity, but about obscurity?
Hey, test question: I want to cause an explosion but all I have in my pockets is a can of diet coke and a packet of mentos. How can I do it?
Is “pour the mentos into the coke” a good answer?
 
I'd say no
 
Yes if you suggest diet coke instead.
 
@MattS. oh, does it have to be diet coke? whatever
 
the mentos just have less of a reaction with regular coke
 
I thought diet coke worked better.
 
7:09 PM
it does
 
I read that wrong, my bad.
 
7:24 PM
We now have . Discuss.
:P
....I don't think that it's necessary, but it might help determine what the OP has on hand. What are your thoughts on this?
 
7:35 PM
I couldn't think of what tag to use.
We have so I figured it would work.
 
Makes sense. I guess it's a good tag, then.
@MattS. I didn't realize that you created it :) ....I just saw it around, and started wondering.
 
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Q: Can someone point out why the answers to these questions are lifehacks?

Matt S.I'm having trouble seeing what people think are lifehacks on many of the questions. To me, a lot of these answers are just the conventional answers, but they're getting upvoted so that must mean they're acceptable on the site right? For example, these questions all have answers which don't seem ...

 
8:27 PM
@MattS. @ZachSaucier @J.Musser it appears we have our questions about answer quality, and they weren't planned:
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Q: What should a good Lifehacks answer look like?

William the PleaserI've been answering questions here on and off since the private beta started. Going by reputation, I think I've done ok - but it doesn't feel that way. Quite frankly, I still have no clear idea of how I should be answering these questions. A question I answered yesterday hammered this home for m...

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Q: Can someone point out why the answers to these questions are lifehacks?

Matt S.I'm having trouble seeing what people think are lifehacks on many of the questions. To me, a lot of these answers are just the conventional answers, but they're getting upvoted so that must mean they're acceptable on the site right? For example, these questions all have answers which don't seem ...

 
@Shokhet Looks like they were planned.
 
@J.Musser The second one may have been, on second thought; but I meant to contrast that with our "new scope" post, that was planned and debated endlessly in here and on pastebin
Bat-signal; gotta go!
:P
 
@Shokhet cya
 
9:06 PM
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Q: Prevent Smelly Sponges

DenVogOur daily dish washing sponge starts smelling awful within a few days of use. How do you prevent that? I would hope they'd last at least a couple weeks. We use Scotch-Brite Greener Clean for non-stick. have tried: Adhere to Patrick Stewart's advice, by wringing our sponges after each use Throwi...

Look, lots of answers, and mine's the best!
>:-]
 
ay, Robert Harvey joined
never heard of a goose down pillow
 
figgurs
@ZachSaucier Yes, I saw.
apaul34208 has only 9 profile views. Weird, for someone close to the top in rep
 
Not enough haters
 
@MattS. what?
 
People stalking him. That sort of thing.
Paparazzi.
 
9:21 PM
@MattS. Heh, I have 15 times as many profile views.
Maybe I'm being stalked
@MattS. but yeah, it only counts one view per ip address I think
@MattS. How is this not a hack?
I hadn't heard of it.
 
Because I've spent more time with a hammer and nails than people on this site I guess.
I don't understand how it's a hack, just because some people haven't heard of it.
 
I don't need a hack, cause I know how to aim.
But for someone who can't aim and still needs to hold the nail still, it seems valid
 
So because it answers the question it's a hack?
 
@MattS. Because I think it's creative, and it's definitely not the standard method for hammering in a nail
 
But that's extremely subjective.
We're back where the site started, where it's just a collection of questions that people want to answer.
 
9:31 PM
@MattS. No; it's not the standard method.
and it gets the job done
 
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A: How can I keep the roll of plastic wrap from falling out of the box?

Matt S.Most boxes of rolled kitchen items, like plastic wrap and aluminum foil, come with tabs on the box that you can press inwards. If you press both tabs inward, they'll be inside the cardboard tube, holding it inside the box and working like an axle to allow it to roll, so that you can pull on the ...

This is the standard method, yet it's okay for the site.
Because it was decided that if not many people know about it, it's okay.
I'm trying to say that just because people find it interesting doesn't mean it's a lifehack.
 
@MattS. because no one (except me of course) knew about it, it isn't the standard method. It is supposed to be the standard method, but it isn't
 
How many people need to know about it in order for it to be the standard method?
 
Good question.
The majority?
 
Or for this site, how many people need to not know about it for it to be accepted as a hack.
because it seems like all it takes is suggesting that there's probably people that don't know about it for it to be accepted.
 
9:49 PM
it can't be based on how many people know about it because it's impossible to determine
 
So as long as one person doesn't know about it it's a hack?
 
But that's the reasoning for why the gas cap and saran wrap box Q&As are on-topic.
 
mmhm
the answers, anyway
I didn't like the lack-of-hacks offered anyway
 
I'm not trying to cause a fuss. I'm genuinely lost as to what this site is supposed to be about at this point.
 
9:59 PM
I know you're not, neither am I
the only way to stay consistent that I can see is to disallow them or at least discourage
 
Yes, that brought it down to 64 lol
 
10:17 PM
this is utterly confusing....
 
10:54 PM
@michaelpri I don't know if you know this, but in the custom close reason, you can put in a markdown link with the []() setup, which will make the link show in the comment. This helps the OP figure out why certain things are off-topic faster.
I usually write something like This question appears to be off-topic because it [does not include solutions already tried and why those weren't satisfactory](http://meta.lifehacks.stackexchange.com/q/1217).
@all -- found a question in TOTM, ended up writing this:
@J.PabloFernández If you're looking for an alternative, try asking on Lifehacks; but be warned that you'll have to explain why a knife doesn't cut it for your question to be on-topic there. ( pun intended ) — Shokhet 1 min ago
 

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