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5:35 PM
Martin could you advise me as an expert, would it make sense to start a bounty for this question? I want to do this, but the problem seems to be unsolvable. — Valery Saharov 2 hours ago
There are some doubts to which extent bounties are effective, see How effective are bounties? on meta. I would not go as far as calling the problem unsolvable. (Well, if we calculate the value of $L$ for the above function, then we solved it at least for some configuration of points.) It is possible that similar problems were studied somewhere and somebody working in a related area would be able to give a good reference. — Martin Sleziak 37 mins ago
Ok, I see. Should I try on MO maybe? This question, if I don't solve it, will cost me a good research work. Btw, I see the major problem in $X$ rather than in the dimension of the Euclidean space for some reason. And the main problem, why I doubt the solution exists, is because even for two points something like the above mentioned inequality arises. Moreover, even $X$ were itself a Euclidean space, there needs to be a whole lot of conditions satisfied to build up a piecewise linear function. We would need to separate simplices or something like that ... — Valery Saharov 9 mins ago
I am hardly the correct person to say whether the question is appropriate for MO. You can try to simply post it there and you will see. (But it is common practice to indicate clearly both here and at MO, that the question was posted at the other site, too.) Or you can try to ask in their chatroom. (However, it seems to be almost always empty.) Or you can try to ask in our chatroom (which is rather active). — Martin Sleziak 2 mins ago
 
 
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6:36 PM
@ValerySaharov We started to add here many comments which seem to be unrelated to the (mathematical content) of the question. If you wish to continue the discussion, let us do so in chat. — Martin Sleziak 14 secs ago
Now I checked MO and I see you have already posted it there:
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Q: Constructing a function over a metric space through given points

Valery SaharovSuppose there is a compact metric space $(X,\rho)$ and a Euclidean space $\mathbb{R}^n$. There is a sequence of unequal points $\{x_1,...x_N\}$ in $X$ such that all metrics $\rho(x_i,x_j)$ are known and $f(x_i)=a_i$ for some $a_i$ in $\mathbb{R}^n$ whereas: $$ \forall x_i,x_j \in \{x_1,...x_N\...

In fact, there is already an answer.
So the discussion whether or not to post on MO is now irrelevant.
And I see that you have added also link to MO version here on MSE.
So everything's fine as far the "rules for cross-posting" are concerned:
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A: Moderator Supported (Official) Guidelines for "Legitimate" CrossPosting?

Willie WongTwo points, neither of which address your question directly, but need to be thought about Moderator supported is not synonymous with official. In fact, a better (albeit still not perfect) descriptor of "official" on the Stack network is "current community consensus". Irony aside, this very que...

I might be missing something, but $L=1$ seems a bit two optimistic. What about $X=\mathbb R$ and $x_0=a_0=0$, $x_1=1$, $a_1=2$. I.e., we have prescribed values $f(0)=0$ and $f(1)=2$. Then the Lipschitz constant has to be at least $2$.
Or have I misunderstood the problem?
$L=1$ was suggested in this answer:
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A: Constructing a function over a metric space through given points

Anton PetruninWithout loss of generality you can assume that $L=1$. By Kirszbraun theorem you can make $f$ to be 1-Lipschitz. If $X\subset \mathbb{R}^n$ you can make it piecewise distance preserving (in particular piecewise linear). See Brehm, U., Extensions of distance reducing mappings to piecewise congrue...

 
7:08 PM
But, we can scale the space, right?
I haven't studied the related materials yet, but it sounds quite optimistic.
I hope that there is really a WAY to CONSTRUCT the said function. I wouldn't be satisfied with a mere existence claim.
 
7:25 PM
Then I misunderstood your question @Valery.
I thought that you really wanted what I described above.
In the example with $f(0)=0$, $f(1)=2$.
 
I think it is clear that with such prescribed values we cannot hope for a very good Lipschitz constant.
 
I thought we could scale the construction itself somehow
but that said I didn't read their paper yet
see the comments to the answer
 
ok, I leave the question be
 
thanks
 
7:28 PM
But if it is the case that we can find function with $L=1$ even in the case $[0,1]\to\mathbb R$, then I completely misunderstood it.
 
So far, I understand not more than you. Rather less
I just hope that scaling works out
 
I thought that $x_0=0$, $x_1=1$ and $a_0=0$, $a_1=2$ is one simple example of the conditions you want to prescribe.
 
That's right. But as far as I understood the idea of Anton, we can scale the space
and then scale it back
sorry, I don't understand the details yet
 
But for such choice we cannot have $L=1$.
Since distance between $f(0)$ and $f(1)$ is $2$ and the distance between $0$ and $1$ is $1$.
The best chance for $\inf\limits_{x\ne y} \frac{f(x)-f(y)}{x-y}$ is $2$ for such setting.
I mean either I have misunderstood what your question is, or $L=1$ cannot be attained in all situations.
 
Well, I didn't have in mind anything regarding L=1.
 
7:34 PM
I think that distances between the points and the values of $a_i$'s have to influence possible choices of $L$.
 
I just believe that if you scale your space, construct the function and than scale it back somehow, the setting should work
There must be a reason why Anton said so
 
Do I understand at least correctly that this is special case of your general problem: a) Find a Lipschitz function $f\colon[0,1]\to\mathbb R$ such that $f(0)=0$, $f(1)=2$. b) For what $L$ is it possible to get such function?
 
@ValerySaharov Rescale X or Rn:) – Anton Petrunin 1 hour ago
 
Yes, I saw that comment.
And I am not asking about what Anton Petrunin said.
 
Yes, you're right
 
7:37 PM
I am asking what your original question asks.
 
in your example, L is 2 obviously
I mean, you are given the set of points in X, their counterparts in R^n AND the L
you need to construct a function on the whole space
 
Do you mind if I post a comment to Anton Petrunin's answer pointing out this problem, or do you prefer if I let it be?
 
Sure post it!
 
7:38 PM
Maybe it will help to clarify things.
 
I hope so. I think this problem is really quite general, interesting and useful
 
Of course, even if it turns out that my objection is valid, it does not change the fact that Anton Petrunin's answer could be useful for you.
He told you about Kirszbraun theorem. It seems that this result might be useful in your setting.
If I understood the OPs question correctly, one special case is $X=[0,1]$ with prescribed values $f(0)=0$ and $f(1)=2$. In such case we cannot hope to get $L=1$. I guess that choice of $x_i$'s and $a_i$'s will influence possibilities for $L$ somehow. (Of course, I might have misunderstood something there.) — Martin Sleziak 3 mins ago
 
Yeah, and Kirszbraun's theorem admits a constructive proof in certain cases
 
@ValerySaharov I have deleted my comment. Now I finally understand your question.
 
Oh. ok
 
7:45 PM
The choice of $f(0)=0$ and $f(1)=2$ is valid only for $L=2$.
 
Yeah, I am not that good at formulatins sometimes
 
Anton Petrunin's answer is saying basically this: Define function $f$ just on the subset $\{x_1,...,x_n\}$. This function is Lipschitz with constant L.
Kirszbraun theorem then says that it can be extended to a function on $X$.
 
and extend it to the whole space
right. And the theorem admits a constructive proof. Because in general it requires an AC and we can't construct a function with it
 
I am not sure why he chose $L=1$, but he probably sees that it does not make much difference for some reason.
 
I mean. Let's take your example with two points
 
7:49 PM
And I also do not understand the remaining two paragraphs, but probably some knowledge of other results is needed there.
 
just scale the domain space of f
and get L=1
 
@ValerySaharov In this case it wasn't cause by your formulation. It was just that I did not read your question carefully enough.
And it seems that scaling works.
So it seems that it was good decision to ask on MO.
 
or I didn't formulate it perfectly. Whatever, I'm glad that there is a bit of hope
 
And I have learned about Kirszbraun theorem. (Which sounds almost too good to be true. I have never heard about that result before.)
 
I'll post updates, should further questions arise
me too
But the full version of it requires Axiom of Choice
two Russian guys proved in constructively for subsets of Euclidean spae
I didn't read the paper so there may be further pitfalls
 

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