Game Development

Jon

12:14 AM

There is a potential for me to sell a plug in but I am not really interested in doing that

TheMuffinCoder

psst this is ur chance mick, you can do it

MickLH

Well what are friends for even?? To push you towards stuff you're not interested in!

Or ? wait so stealing the idea is the moral thing to do?

TheMuffinCoder

It's not stealing, you're just applying the idea

MickLH

That just sounds like stealing with extra steps

lol I'm saying TV influenced nonsense now, sorry

TheMuffinCoder

Dont worry here's a baby sloth

MickLH

12:22 AM

It wouldn't be the same if I did it because I don't have a refined 2D workflow like Jon does

TheMuffinCoder

Ouch I hate how school took so much of my time that I started to forget my Typescript skills

@MickLH Hey Mick

I just noticed that Diep.io was made with emscripten

MickLH

@TheMuffinCoder The real skills you learn are cognitive structures and not tied to a specific language, the language will change over time anyways

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It's knowing how to code that you build up skill in forever, the languages vary in difficulty but are finite

TheMuffinCoder

@MickLH well more like I started to forget the api

erebel55

couldn't agree more

TheMuffinCoder

But anyhow I just noticed that diep.io which has great performance was made with emscripten (meaning C++)

Do you think it's worth me trying to code my game using typescript

MickLH

12:30 AM

Well I think the asm.js guys worked pretty hard to make it so you can basically write assembly in JS and the JIT compilers can mostly convert it back safely

I'd use whatever you're comfortable with

TheMuffinCoder

I'm scared of performance

MickLH

You shouldn't worry about performance for a web game

TheMuffinCoder

okay I'll go with my plan of using typescript

But I seen how slither.io lags

MickLH

The difference is at the most one order of magnitude between the languages, and it would take real research to see which one is actually faster

The algorithms you use and how you approach the goal is what will truly determine the performance

TheMuffinCoder

Okay! :D

I'll do my best to write clean code so that I can port later to C++

Sie

1:31 AM

Oh boy. Mom and Uncle Sam are debating Isis. This should be a fun night.

Almo

lol

Chris McFarland

debating??

there's a plus?

MickLH

What you thought the virgins weren't real?

They aren't. btw if anyone believes in magical virgins as a reward for killing people who don't agree with you, don't believe in that lol.

js

Chris McFarland

I guess to some, running off and joining Isis would be like leaving home and joining a gang or something in an act of retaliation against the world

unless you're completely naive

TheMuffinCoder

1:54 AM

I still wonder why people bother joining isis, seems like so much work

Just use the trip money on soda and pizza instead and stay home

Chris McFarland

video games are life

TheMuffinCoder

Exactly

if I was feeling that uncaring for the world, I would start playing hardcore minecraft

MickLH

lol

Chris McFarland

some folk like to lash out :/

TheMuffinCoder

>:) lash out at the endless hordes of zombies in minecraft

#mostintensegame2016

Chris McFarland

1:57 AM

exactly

as much as I like nonsensical violence in games
I can't stand realistic-looking stuff, like those sniper games

TheMuffinCoder

:30551344 LOL

@ChrisMcFarland how realistic?

On a level of tf2 to call of duty to battlefield to arma to csgo

Chris McFarland

Sniper Elite I think it's called?

TheMuffinCoder

oh that game

I found it kinda boring, you dont get to move much :P

Chris McFarland

even the latest Mortal Kombat close-ups with the fatalities is kinda gruesome lol

I guess too it's the act of carrying out the violent action

TheMuffinCoder

lol I love that new mortal kombat

Chris McFarland

2:00 AM

lol mick

TheMuffinCoder

Its even at my library

Gotta go check out sometime

Sie

I don't know. I'm to the point where I'm kind of jaded by video game gore.

TheMuffinCoder

same

I think doom 4 is the gore-est thing there is right now

Chris McFarland

I like bloodsplats and corpse explosions
Doom's not too bad, even Left 4 Dead, it's a lot but it doesn't make me squirm

maybe just cuz it's zombies

and demons

MickLH

See that's a place where nazi zombies shines

Sie

2:02 AM

I find more story based games hit home for me nowadays. Like The Beginners Guide? I loved that game but partially because it made me face some hard truths.

MickLH

You don't feel even the slightest bit of guilt for murdering crowds of them, they are nazi zombies!

Chris McFarland

yeah, you know they're "bad" so it makes it okay?

I find I'm just interested in gameplay as I grow older
stories are boring, I largely just don't care about fiction

TheMuffinCoder

I cant remember the last time I played a single player game

MickLH

Campaign co-op tho.

Chris McFarland

nostalgia grips me for the games I played growing up

TheMuffinCoder

2:03 AM

not worth it anymore :(

Sie

I feel like in some respects single player games are becoming a dying art. They aren't the money printers their multiplayer counter parts are.

Chris McFarland

yeah, online functionality = $$$

TheMuffinCoder

co-op seems half-@$$ now a days for consoles

Extremely tiny resolutions and horrible fps

MickLH

Campaign co-op done right is kindof amazing

TheMuffinCoder

it was in the past :P

Sie

2:04 AM

I plan on adding co-op and a built-in level editor so hopefully that will help as far as replayability goes.

MickLH

Don't let consoles cloud the view!

TheMuffinCoder

I remember playing battlefront 2 co op nonstop with my bro

co-op on pc? LOL

wait

MickLH

The genre hasn't changed, just the level of greed and laziness surrounding it

Sie

The big problem with single player games is that unless it's a huge RPG there is largely no point in replaying them.

TheMuffinCoder

Exactly :(

Sie

2:05 AM

Honestly. Who do you know has played any COD single player campaign more than once and isn't a psychopath?

PearsonArtPhoto

Or randomly generated maps.

MickLH

@Sie Hey cod wasn't so ba... oh

TheMuffinCoder

@Sie I swear my brother replayed the ghost campaign

PearsonArtPhoto

But that only works for certain types of games.

TheMuffinCoder

he liked it (tho it did look pretty cool)

Chris McFarland

2:06 AM

lol, I couldn't be arsed finishing the MW2 campaign

"why am I doing this again"

TheMuffinCoder

or "shouldn't I be getting prestige online instead"

Chris McFarland

exactly

MickLH

^

Chris McFarland

gotta flex my epeen against other people sitting behind their computers like me

TheMuffinCoder

lol they made the multiplayer so compelling that people dont want to playing single player

MickLH

2:07 AM

trying to beat the original halo on legendary is fun at least 5 times

TheMuffinCoder

I havent even finished the campaign for halo 5 yet

I think I stopped after 2 hrs

Chris McFarland

it's human nature to wanna kick someone else's ass, even if you aren't allowed to in real life
so competitive games/sports/competitions are the next best thing

3

MickLH

I felt like halo 2 didn't even have that level of re-playability in the campaign

I never bothered finishing halo 3

PearsonArtPhoto

Single player for most FPS is just to give a slight bit of entertainment if you can't get online for some reason.

Sie

I kind of like how Dark Souls blends multiplayer/singleplayer.

Chris McFarland

2:08 AM

Single-player with points or difficulty settings = bragging rights, which can help drive you to do them

PearsonArtPhoto

It's an afterthought.

Sie

The notes and other things kind of make it feel alive.

TheMuffinCoder

What about titanfall

MickLH

@PearsonArtPhoto lol it's equivalent to druggies scraping the bottom of their stash jar when they run out

TheMuffinCoder

wasn't it combined too?

MickLH

2:09 AM

need sum headshots tho

Chris McFarland

I wanna buy Doom cuz sometimes I just wanna lash out at some AI without losing 50% of the time

Sie

Seems like Dragonframe has a monopoly on the stop motion software market lol. $150 if you're a student and around $300-$400 commercially.

MickLH

@ChrisMcFarland play against CS bots

Sie

The freeware for stop motion is buggy and fairly dated. :(

Chris McFarland

@MickLH see not really, I'd rather just play a singleplayer game at that point

MickLH

2:10 AM

they are easy to kill!

Chris McFarland

(unless I wanna practice at the game)

I play Dota 2 with bots on occasion

MickLH

You'll definitely win more than 50% of the time

Chris McFarland

:) yeah

TheMuffinCoder

But its not the same with bots

Chris McFarland

yeah :(

TheMuffinCoder

2:11 AM

Since you know its bots :(

MickLH

But it's CS so it's ok

Chris McFarland

haha

TheMuffinCoder

lol there was this rip off of diep.io on android called tank.io

Sie

I'm really surprised we don't have an animation stack exchange yet.

TheMuffinCoder

I thought the whole time I was online fighting people until my wifi died and I kept playing

It there that i realized they were all bots and uninstalled :(

Chris McFarland

2:12 AM

lawl

TheMuffinCoder

it was so fun too, I thought i was just pro

Chris McFarland

I used to play Perfect Dark with sim bots all the time

Sie

There is a Biblical Hermeneutics SE and we can't get an animation one?! Seriously lol.

Chris McFarland

@Sie start one up then

TheMuffinCoder

@Sie wouldn't animation fall into graphic design?

graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/animation

PearsonArtPhoto

2:13 AM

No.

Sie

@TheMuffinCoder Nah. That is more for static imagery.

TheMuffinCoder

I spy with my little eye @AidanMueller ! :D

PearsonArtPhoto

Static 2D imagery.

Sie

There is this but it looks to be dead in the water.

51

Comics, Cartoons & Animation

Proposed Q&A site for everyone interested in the art of comics, either as consumer or producer, from graphic novels to newspaper and Internet cartoons, from Simpsons to Disney classics.

Currently in definition.

TheMuffinCoder

LOL for graphicdesign "dont ask about application troubleshooting" and a bunch of the questions are just figuring out how to use photoshop/illustrator xD

Chris McFarland

2:15 AM

sounds like gdse's "how do i get started?" type of questions

PearsonArtPhoto

It had a poor moderator for most of the time...

Sie

I could make my own Stop Motion animation software... ugh. I don't know.

The freeware out there for Stop Motion is fairly shite at the moment.

TheMuffinCoder

But it helped tho

Sie

Well more like for the past almost 7 years.

TheMuffinCoder

Those how to use photoshop/illustrator questions get a lot of views

Coding during the summer is bothersome

You can feel the heat everywhere o.O

From the screens, pc, the chair retaining all the warmth

Sie

2:19 AM

That is basically Florida except for 2 days a year.

TheMuffinCoder

But isn't Florida temperature more consistent and not as extreme?

New Jersey goes from Freezing cold to crazy hot

Sie

The temp is always around 85 to 95 typically which isn't that bad. It's the humidity that is what makes it terrible.

It feels like the air is soup. I shit you not.

Chris McFarland

humidity sucks

Sie

Right now it's about ~70% humidity.

TheMuffinCoder

o I'm lucky it's not humid yet

Once the rain hits it'll get really humid

Chris McFarland

2:29 AM

got this interact system down just about
gotta position the info box correctly next, and then feed it info

TheMuffinCoder

@ChrisMcFarland wait is this tw2?

Chris McFarland

ya

TheMuffinCoder

Do you draw all the sprites?

Chris McFarland

yeah

TheMuffinCoder

oh snap I gotta amp up my 2D skills

Chris McFarland

2:31 AM

haha

Almo

2:51 AM

looks good chris

Sie

What do you guys think about Adobe Creative Cloud? I was thinking about getting it mainly for Photoshop and Flash.

Chris McFarland

thanks
I think I'll go for text-only on the info box for most things where possible, since you can see what the item is. plus centered text is kinda nice for this

@Sie I use it for Photoshop

Almo

Flash... argh. but photoshop and illustrator alone make it worth

@Sie my friend Dave has.

he's not a psychopath

Sie

I'm not going to try GameDev in flash :P. I mainly want it for animation. Plus really that is the best you can get in terms of animation unless you use Toon Boom.

@Almo Are you sure?

Aidan Mueller

3:44 AM

@TheMuffinCoder Must be an illusion.

Chris McFarland

I wonder if I could create guilds
and you could create your own dungeons
and place your own mobs and traps
and get rewarded for clearing other guild's dungeons

feck, so much I wanna add to my game lol

user92578

4:42 AM

@ChrisMcFarland I gotta say that this sounds pretty awesome, all though you could make a separate game (or DLC) wit that!

Uri Popov

6:12 AM

good morning folks

Chris McFarland

@Tyyppi_77 DLC would be for a big bunch of stuff later on. I'd rather try to jam as much as possible into the initial developement instead

Good morning

user92578

Hi guys

Sie

Neat.

Usually the chat room is dead around 2:30AM for me.

I know a few of you aren't in the states though.

user92578

I'm not usually up this early, it's 9:20 AM

user92578

But I had a driving lesson (drove a little bit in traffic today, it was really exiting) at 8

Sie

6:29 AM

Really need to start working on a/v feedback sooner or later.

Anyway I'm off to bed.

Chris McFarland

6:40 AM

@Tyyppi_77 did you hit anything

user92578

no

Chris McFarland

@Sie looks interesting!

@Tyyppi_77 yay

user92578

and the car only shut down (? is that the term) at the very end while I was reversing to the parking spot

Chris McFarland

stalled

user92578

I was driving quite slowly, but luckily there wasn't really a lot of other cars around

Chris McFarland

6:41 AM

all about that clutch

user92578

oh yeah

user92578

I still had a few trouble situations with it but the teacher very calmly reminded me

user92578

I tend to try to break without it

user92578

next time onwards is going to be only traffic stuff

user92578

handling practice on a parking lot is over :)

Chris McFarland

6:43 AM

Fun

user92578

So I'm not really what I should be working on the game right now

user92578

I wanted to launch a Greenlight campaign really soon

user92578

But I keep banging my head to a wall with finding a video editor

Chris McFarland

what operating system are you using?

user92578

windows

Chris McFarland

6:47 AM

apparently Blender has a video editing thing?

user92578

aight I'll take a look but that can't be anything other than a huge mess

user92578

Doesn't look too bad

user92578

I was actually yesterday thinking "Where's the Blender of video editors?" :DDD

user92578

Apparently in Blender

Chris McFarland

hope it works for you

I am struggling to find any good recommendations for free video editors for Windows

user92578

6:52 AM

Yeah that was kinda my issue

Chris McFarland

List of video editing software

The following is a list of video editing software. The criterion for inclusion in this list is the ability to perform non-linear video editing. Most modern transcoding software supports transcoding a portion of a video clip, which would count as cropping and trimming. However, items in this article have one of the following conditions: Can perform other non-linear video editing functions such as montage or compositing Can do the trimming or cropping without transcoding == Free and open-sourceEdit == == ProprietaryEdit == Freeware or Freemium products == CommercialEdit == == See also...

user92578

Joe suggested Camtasia on Discord, said it has a trial period with no limitations

user92578

That was after I complained that Sony Vegas' trial adds a watermark

user92578

Then it turns out that Camtasia adds one too

Leggy7

lwks.com

@tyyppi_77 take a look

user92578

6:57 AM

That looks kinda nice too, I'll take a look at that later, thanks a lot!

Chris McFarland

shotcut.org

user92578

Apparently I can't google anything anymore, thanks <3

Leggy7

@tyyppi_77 I think I can advice you with something more, wait..

fixounet.free.fr/avidemux

Uri Popov

gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/124358/… middleschoolers making games. WTF

user92578

@Leggy7 that looks a little basic

Leggy7

7:02 AM

yes, I guess it has a raw ui with basic features but it says that you can add also some effects. what are you looking for?

user92578

Well mainly I need a clear timeline, with transitions and video clipping, along with some text effects and picture placement

user92578

@UriPopov What age is middle school?

user92578

(Plus that question is off-topic)

Leggy7

virtualdub.sourceforge.net

user92578

Kid seems pretty confident though, and capable too

user92578

7:04 AM

@Leggy7 Seems like I already tried this actually, but I think it always hung on my video files (that weren't even big)

MickLH

Confidence is statistically one of the worst indicators of skill level.

Leggy7

hmm

MickLH

See also: Dunning Kruger effect

Leggy7

last thing I can see is this, if you didn't already take a look

windows.microsoft.com/it-it/windows/essentials

sorry I gave you italian link

user92578

no problem

MickLH

7:05 AM

(usually confidence comes from people being so bad at the topic, that they can't even tell how bad they are, hence they are confident)

user92578

Movie Maker sucks though

Uri Popov

@Tyyppi_77 depends on the country but it usually is 5th - 8th grade

so like age<14

user92578

I think I was 14 (maybe?) when I started with PyGame

user92578

And some of here have started even earlier I'm sure

MickLH

I think I was 11 when I started with OpenGL in C

Uri Popov

7:08 AM

why would you do that at 11

MickLH

I'd already fallen in love with programming in elementary school

I knew games were made of programming, even the games I liked

Uri Popov

at 11-12 i was coding programs to solve my geometry homework not doing graphics in god damn C. My tiny little child brain would not have had handled that.

and going to math competitions

MickLH

Lol I had no idea what I was doing, I think it took me weeks to derive rotation matrices, maybe months before I figured out how all the different matrices fit together

My elementary school basically stopped teaching math after trigonometry

Uri Popov

what county are from that teaches trigonometry in elementary school ? China ?

MickLH

lol from the usa! it was the furthest they let me go

Uri Popov

7:12 AM

at what age do you leave elementary school ?

MickLH

I think around 12?

Leggy7

rofl uri, kinda a mozart of coding

Uri Popov

@MickLH ah ok makes sence then to have started with some basic trig

MickLH

I felt a bit ripped off because they basically had me sit out the last year without any math class at all

and then the next 2 years went backwards, the next school I was at just plainly wasn't as intelligent

and then by the time I got to high school I was already sick of it, I didn't bother with classes at all, I just threw away my homework as soon as I got it and studied actually useful information instead

Uri Popov

well by the end of high-school we were doing Calc 1. Then my first 2 semesters of uni I had to repeat that

MickLH

7:22 AM

I ended up getting a few certificates and actually even using one of them on a job, once lol

Definitely not worth the time spent! I could probably be a lot further along in my projects if I had those years of time jailed in a desk cell to just work without frivolous stupid interruptions

Uri Popov

i wonder if I can hit 1k rep today. I only need 50

Shaun Wild

8:05 AM

No one asks any qustions I can answer so my rep is shite lol

And the questions I can answer, the OP decides to go on holiday after they post it so they never actually see my beautiful answer

Or even worse, the question has 7 answers before I even see it lol

user92578

Reputation shouldn't be your motivation for answering

Shaun Wild

It's not, of course.

It's still motivation however.

My main motivation is the feeling of helping someone.

Darth_Wardy

help !

lol ... I've lost the will to do my game coding :(

Got fed up of hitting bugs in the underlying engine, tried a few others, now my only alternatives are to solve this complex problem in a language i currently don't know :(

That just put a downer on my whole willpower

user92578

Maybe we could try to help you with the problem? Or with the language?

Darth_Wardy

@Tyyppi_77 you ever hit a lack of will power ?

user92578

8:17 AM

Yeah I do

Darth_Wardy

It's unity mostly

I know my problem (voxels) is inherently a 3d issue that needs threading to perform well

user92578

Remind yourself how productive you actually are, that usually helps me

Darth_Wardy

I get all the logic sorted, but rendering it in unity is always a bitch

I really want to (at some point) migrate my code on to HLSL ... either way ... I think I am going to have to learn that

I have put in a feature request to the roslyn team to GPU executable C# functions to the compiler in some way

maybe by using an attribute

I think i'm too attached to C# as a language to be a productive game dev lol

user92578

Would migrating your code to HLSL mean something like OpenCL?

user92578

Executing the code on the GPU?

Darth_Wardy

8:22 AM

Yeh the idea is to compute and manage the entire dynamic volume on the gpu

the gpu is dam good at 3D parralell

I have some basic testing stuff up and running and managed to get about 10 mins of cpu work down to just a few seconds

my thinking being that I might be able to manage the whole dataset on the gpu

I would probably lose a lot of unity integration though

Shaun Wild

@Darth_Wardy Derp

user92578

Still figuring out the basics but this looks pretty badass

Darth_Wardy

@ShaunWild lol i know i always spell that wrong

@Tyyppi_77 what engine is that ?

user92578

Blender, I'm using it for video editing

Darth_Wardy

8:29 AM

ah I thought I recognised it

you use raw C++ and SDL right?

user92578

Yeah

Shaun Wild

Didn't know blender could be used as a video editor that's cool

How good is it?

user92578

Not sure yet, but seems pretty powerful

user92578

It has it's quircks, as it's built to be really dynamic

user92578

And I haven't investigated how zooming and panning and transitions work

Darth_Wardy

8:32 AM

is SDL any better than raw GL or DX?

user92578

Depends on the perspective (pun semi-intended)

Darth_Wardy

I'm guessing it's a thin abstraction to standardise the API's a bit

user92578

You can't 3D with raw SDL

user92578

And you can't use shaders

Darth_Wardy

oh

that's a shame

user92578

8:33 AM

It's very high level 2D rendering

user92578

But it works pretty well for me, making a cross-platform 2D game

user92578

Sure, shaders would be cool but I can do without

user92578

So probably if I were to start now, I would implement an OpenGL renderer

user92578

But that might take a while, with text rendering and all

user92578

But everything else is really awesome, like controllers

user92578

8:38 AM

Ooh, the possibility to preview play a video frame by frame is really helpful

Uri Popov

giphy.com/gifs/xT0GqfTtGJlPry24x2

how the tutorial is shaping

I cant upload the gif here directly

user92578

looks cool

user92578

are you making this game on your own? or is someone paying you to do it?

Uri Popov

animations are smooth its the gif that makes it choppy. Well I'm a co-creator at a startup company and so far the only programmer. I have 1 2d artist working with me on this one. So I'm paying myself...partly :D

Jon

9:15 AM

That arrow moves strange and slow

Uri Popov

thats from the gif

its smooth as a baby bottom on my end.

Jon

Looks like you are doing a position = lerp(position, movepos, 0.1f)

It is also going behind the main sprites

MickLH

guys I got popcorn, keep this going it was like one of those chef shows

it's like cut to commercials and someone's changing the channel back to gdse :'(

Shaun Wild

If this is a chef show

Then I'm Gordon Ramsey

"Use Java you ****!"

MickLH

9:34 AM

0

Q: How to make Level Editor in C# for a DirectX engine in C++

I have been trying for months to make a Level Editor for my C++ DirectX Engine. I have tried using a C++/CLI wrapper or P/Invoke to do this. Neither seems to work. Can someone let me see a sample of their level editor or wrapper? Basically what I'm trying to do is set the HWND as the Windows Form...

can I tell him I had good results decompiling an existing VB.NET level editor for a C++ engine, and recompiling it to C# ?

I mean, I think I changed like 2 pieces of code and everything worked

Was able to go in and fix abandoned bugs that were fucking me up

I feel like they wouldn't appreciate that answer though

Jon

If younare expecting appreciation for helping you are gonna be disappointed

MickLH

I expect worship.

Endless luxury

Jon

I expect to be treated like a piece of shit for attempting to help

MickLH

Oh, you know I could do that just as a personal favor if you need

I mean all I'd even ask for in exchange up front is that you organize intricate synchronous displays of affection on unimaginable astronomical scales.

Seriously. please :)

Jon

Then I would get to glide between your ass cheeks? Count me in.

MickLH

9:45 AM

I don't think that option's really on the table :/

Blue Bug

~~first thing came up to my mind after reading the conversation : gay bdsm porn~~ I think you two will make a lovely couple.

Jon

well... if you will excuse me.. i need to pack everything up, my computer, my lunch, a sweater, then I gotta drive and park 6 blocks away from this building, that I am going to walk to, in order to unpack all my things in a cubicle in this office, so that I can accomplish the same thing I could, just sitting here.

While working for people 1200 kilometers away

Why? Fuck if I know, the only reason I got was "do you want to get paid" -- no logic in this at all.

Stupid people are so stupid, they can't even tell how stupid they are.

Blue Bug

I think being able to explain one's own intellectual absent is a definition of smart; I know I do not know about something_I_do_not_know

stupid people think/act as if they know about something_they_dont_know_here

MickLH

@BlueBug you seem to have a strange_accent, people mostly speak PascalCase around here with some camelCase twang

Blue Bug

I used to speak PascalCase with camelCase. But I now I just speak me_accent. I think me_accent makes it easier to read than meAccent or MeAccent.

Martin Sojka

9:59 AM

It could be worse. You could Write_Like_Ada.

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