Game Development - 2016-05-30 (page 1 of 3)

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12:32 AM

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dorotapankowska.com/13-animals-13-circles.html

1:24 AM

Do it procedural

1:34 AM

@NaCl cool

2:05 AM

its cool.

found a new trail today near my house

this is really fucked up, i have been living here and didn't know about this trail for 12 years

6 hours later…

8:16 AM

Where does it take you??

Kevin van der Velden

8:49 AM

Narnia

9:33 AM

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Q: Is it even possible to improve complex questions?

How to improve games programming questions that need to take many aspects into account before being answered? I asked How to program destructibles? and it has been (more or less fairly) put on hold due to "too many questions". It requires an expertise of someone experienced in the field of data ...

discussion asking-questions specific-question

user92578

9:49 AM

> I realized questions regarding complex programming problems are above the level of advancement this community is willing to analyze

user92578

Wow.

user92578

Just wow.

this dude just had a butt hurt, please understand him :)

user92578

lol yeah

11:19 AM

about that question... to me it feels like the question is actually completely valid.

except maybe the last line where he asks about terrain destruction

user92578

check the edits

user92578

he has downscoped it a lot

yeah... you are right

I guess we should vote to reopen that question

user92578

I can't do that

I voted to reopen

1 hour later…

William Mariager

12:36 PM

I figured out the XML stuff!

Turns out I was doing the equivalent of trying to instantiate an abstract base class.

haha oops :)

William Mariager

Yeah

But now that it works, it's a great workflow actually. The XSD validation tells me if I'm doing something wrong and the XSD can be used to generated all the right classes.

Good that you figured it out

That's awesome

William Mariager

It really is. It means I'm already a bit ahead of schedule.

1 hour later…

PearsonArtPhoto

1:53 PM

Dev Blog- Sea Trading game- Converting to an XML file, starting to work on procedural generation! kd7uiy.com/2016/05/sea-trading-game-internal-workings.html

That ham is going to be delicious

PearsonArtPhoto

LOL.

I really need to move my blog off to another site...

My dad is a ham too. You into DX'ing?

Ah, it says so on your blog :P

Got Finland yet?

PearsonArtPhoto

I think so.

The problem is, if I'm going to move my blog, I want to move it to it's own domain name, and for that, I need to finally decide on a name...

Which I'm not ready to do today.

If you're ever publishing anything, I bet Ham Games would be a perfect fit

PearsonArtPhoto

2:02 PM

Hmmm, that's an interesting thought...

A hunk of meat with an antenna?

PearsonArtPhoto

Domain's taken...

I wonder if that would make vegans not play your games

PearsonArtPhoto

fantasynamegenerators.com/game-studio-names.php#.V0xIdb7kWU4

Maybe I wouldn't care...

I wouldn't either

PearsonArtPhoto

2:06 PM

I could get hamproductions.com for the low price of $2165...

how about hamentertainment

or hamstudios

PearsonArtPhoto

I'm thinking SoftHamTech maybe.

It'd be nice if I could fold in my apps somehow...

hamtertainment

Soft Ham

no?

PearsonArtPhoto

I guess Soft Ham is available, I could skip adding anything. Hmmm...

That actually might sound a bit like some cheap red light district product

PearsonArtPhoto

2:09 PM

Hmmm.

Old Ham Media?

that might work

PearsonArtPhoto

@Jon: Any thoughts?

hamsoftentertainment.com

it's available

HamBone

Flesh of the Ham

PearsonArtPhoto

I kind of like Old Ham Media. Old Man (OM) is a common term used in Amateur Radio to refer to a man (YL, or Young Lady, is the woman's equivalent)

2:12 PM

Rum Ham

PearsonArtPhoto

Nah...

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PearsonArtPhoto

Well, I'll register Old Ham Media for now, for the cost, it can't hurt...

i made you a logo

and you just spit on me, well fine then.

I'll register rumham myself

PearsonArtPhoto

LOL, go for it;-)

2:18 PM

i just registered oldhammedia too

take that

2:31 PM

I have an idea for my next games company name, but I can't use it in a long time. Maybe I should just register it and put it in my desk drawer until I can use it.

could

doesn't cost much to register

like $10 a year

@MattJensJensen hey I found out why it was crashing for you

well at least I think I did anyways

huge bug in the menu

yeah but if I want to do it in finland, I should register the trademark too because the one holding that has the right for the finnish domain too

ah right

Guys, is there any easy way to duplicate a transform in Unity?

2:40 PM

duplicate? you can't have a transform without a gameobject

I'm creating a dummy empty GameObject to remember from where the actual object is departing

I just want to make this GameObject have the same values of the transform

As of now I'm setting every single value by hand, which feels clumsy

docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Object.Instantiate.html

I think that's what you want

Yeah I know this function, the problem is that it copies all the other components too

If you only need to know the position, why just not use Vector3?

and if you need to know the rotation and scale too, just store them too

you don't need a dummy gameobject with transform for that, which wastes memory

and if you do need all that data, why not create a class like ATransformSettingsINeedToRemember { Vector3 position; Quaternion rotation; Vector3 scale; }

which then could take a transform or a gameobject as constructor parameter

Yeah sounds a better idea to not have a full empty gameobject on the scene

2:51 PM

Just set the properties of the transform

transform2.position = transform1.position
transform2.scale = transform1.scale
transform2.rotation= transform1.rotation

BLAM, got yourself a replica

Won't it get the same reference of the object?

yeah, but if it's just a dummy gameobject then it's unnecessary

position, scale, rotation are structs

no

they get copied, not referred.

2:52 PM

Ohh OK

yeah man

Didn't know that

why you gotta make this so complicated, just pick up the phone

subtle shit

I've never liked it when computer languages hide whether its by ref or copied

Know the difference of C# value-types and reference-types

2:53 PM

I like the C# out keyword, but there is more to do

in C it was totally fucking hidden what you were passing unless you checked the function declaration

Kevin van der Velden

@Lasse but that's not something you can tell from the assignment

No, but any good IDE nowdays can tell you if it's a value-type or a reference-type

Kevin van der Velden

But you would still need to check other files

I should know just by reading the code

I shouldn't need a tool to do it

Kevin van der Velden

There's nothing in the vicinity of the assignment that can tell

2:55 PM

@Almo That's true

Kevin van der Velden

And you can change the semantics of every assignment to a type with one word

but you're right, most IDEs make this easier

3:07 PM

Anyone know of a game on top of SDL that I can look at the source of?

@Pip libregamewiki.org/SDL_games

Thanks

user92578

3:29 PM

@Pip No. Who the fuck would use SDL for a game???

Idk Tyyppi

user92578

That sounds like the most retard thing to do

I know GunHero uses a real sane framework behind it. Probably.... idk. Unreal or something.

user92578

Yeah, definitely not SDL laughs manically

@Tyyppi_77 hahah no fuckin idea

3:29 PM

lol

user92578

No but more seriously do you want to take a look?

Yeah sure

pip gonna steal your game!

;)

Yep definitely

user92578

What's your BB?

3:31 PM

WardBenjamin I believe

Seriously though, I'm using the opposite side of SDL than Tyyppi (I'm using basically for input and windowing, and that's it. OpenGL/GLEW ftw)

user92578

Yeah

user92578

Well you can take a look at GameWindow.h/cpp and Input* stuff

SDL seems pretty capable either way though

Awesome

whats BB?

@Tyyppi_77 do you not use source control other than for source tracking? Not as a backup system or so you can work on multiple machines?

BitBucket

3:33 PM

ah

user92578

@Pip It's mainly a safe backup for me and for keeping track of what I've done during the week

Fair enough

user92578

I don't have any other computers to dev on, my laptop sucks

user92578

Yeah so if my HDD decides to blow up, I have resources and source saved

I tend to commit and push every little thing because I have my desktop at home and a few laptops that I can work on, plus I dev on Cloud9 sometimes

user92578

3:35 PM

Ah yeah, I've been trying to get into the habbit of small commits

Cloud9 is nice because I don't have to start up my linux VM or reboot to make sure things compile

user92578

But then sometimes I forgot and then there's 3 days of stuff to commit

lol

user92578

anyways, sorry for the stupid question but whatcha working on?

Not stupid at all :P

Right now I'm working on the engin-y part of my current project, which a friend of mine called a cross between Terraria, FTL, and Stardew Valley :P

The backstory is that you were an engineer working on a dimensional-transport device for a mega-corperation

And that you end up using it because of (some motivation that I haven't settled on)

So basically you transport yourself to another dimension (which looks like a world in Terraria, basically)

And you keep going through these dimensions gearing up and running from the mega-corp's security forces

Some of these dimensions will end up having places to trade and stuff, but you can only carry what's in your backpack

Realistic market simulation is going to be a thing that I want to do because why not :P

user92578

3:43 PM

Sounds cool

Thanks

Holy crap man that is a lot of files in one folder :P

How do you handle finding the resource path and copying resources to the output dir?

user92578

windows explorer :D

pffft lol

user92578

lol yeah

That works I guess

And the path is just relative to the exe?

user92578

3:48 PM

yup

user92578

most of the times I run from VS so I don't need to worry about that much

27 secs ago, by Pip

That works I guess

:D

Yeah I've been running from VS as well

At least on windows

What file is content loading done in?

user92578

surprise surprise, ContentLoader.h/cpp

:P

user92578

my approach is a little intensive on the memory

user92578

3:50 PM

everything is loaded at startup

user92578

well, all images

Is there a reason you define the SDL structs everywhere instead of #including <SDL.h>?

user92578

Something about compilation speed

Huh

Okay I guess :P

user92578

Not sure if it actually has an impact on SDL

3:52 PM

There's an even better way if you'd like to hear

user92578

But in general you want to include as little as possible in headers

You can make an SDL_include.h file (named whatever, it doesn't matter) that only has the #pragma once and the #includes, and just #include that everywhere

user92578

and sure

user92578

oh yeah

user92578

but my way is cleaner :D

3:53 PM

but wait, there's more!

I mean, meh

@MickLH yeah there probably is

sup dude

ayeeee

Btw, precompiled headers

user92578

oh yeah

Oh yeah that too

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@MickLH opinions?

Mostly my opinions are about funny details with words

Like how "SpriteBatch" is like chris crocker saying "SpriteBitch"

Also I'm not sure if "Primative" means a tendency to go first, or a tendency towards some undefined relationship with the concept of a primate

lol @Pip seriously what did you want me to evaluate? :P

3:59 PM

@jon you there?

primative as in squares, etc

ya

Idk, just wanted to know if anything was glaringly wrong

that's "primitive"

hahaha I know @Pip, I'm being difficult

4:00 PM

:P

@jon might be able to play hoops if you cna

God I was being so dumb last night. I spent all that time coding a way to disable particular game objects, destroy reinstantiate, and this and that. When in reality all I'd have to do is reset the scene and teleport the player to the last check point.

@Pip I usually like to have "data barrels" and "function blocks" in drawings like this, so that I can clearly keep track of the line between datastructures and algorithms

It feels like as I get more tired the more convoluted my code becomes.

that's not a bad idea, actually

4:01 PM

yeah man

You'll want to carefully consider your use cases, to best decide when to process, and when to just store data and process it later

now?

yeah

k

@Jon What if we don't know one? Where can we find one?

4:02 PM

wut?

Where can I find a violent psychopath to maintain my code to keep me in line?

user92578

well do you know a velociraptor?

user92578

do you use gotos?

user92578

no you dont.

@Sie Generally if you "don't know one", then one is closer than you expect. Probably a friend of yours or something, do any of your friends seem particularly nice and charming?

4:04 PM

@MickLH I have a cat. He only knows java script though.

Oh yes, cats, definitely.

Most cats are.

I'm joking now, I wasn't actually joking with the last message though :P

4:22 PM

its hilarious

What's a name of an array, that gets copied behind the scenes from the array user provides?

Shadow copy?

yeah I'm gonna call it shadow copy

That works

arrayCop

4:44 PM

frickin C++

I can't even #include a header twice or else things break

Why can't I have an in-class initializer

ffs

Fuck it, this is becoming a function

@Pip C++11 allows in-class initialization of non-static and non-const members

It's static and const :P

But yeah, it's annoying that even things like strings can't be defined in a header file

I know you can with a char/short/int/long/whatever

but not with strings, which I have a problem with

whatever, it works now as a function :P

#pragma once

but I guess that only works on some compilers

@jon best game 2015 easy

yeah

its like chinese food

4:59 PM

haha :)

1 hour after you play it you are hungry to play it again

hahah :)

@Lasse yep, that's what I'm using

I don't actually know what the deal was there

pip if you have include problems, look up "header guards"

kind of a hack, but they help

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