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12:37 AM
A good normal map would improve your water bottle a lot.
 
Sie
1:08 AM
Is that anything like bump maps?
 
Yeah, same thing.
Bump maps work by adjusting the normal.
 
1:27 AM
some people make a distinction between bump maps (an image that stores height values) and normal maps (an image that stores direction values)
others use both terms to refer to all varieties of images that are used to modify normals
 
Interesting...
Shows how much I know.
 
1:45 AM
the effect is the same, and it's easy to tell just by looking what kind of data the image contains, so I don't think it's a useful distinction
 
1:56 AM
@sie streaming a leona game
 
Sie
watching now @Almo
 
Sie
2:38 AM
I wonder how he got textures (if you'd call them that) working in QBasic.
 
wow that sucked
 
Sie
Ya. I watched a good amount of it.
 
luc wouldn't play with us
went afk at the end
 
Sie
dick move
 
done for the night
will play some tomorrow, most likely
 
Sie
2:41 AM
Alright.
Also if anyone knows anything regarding this let me know...
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Q: Script no longer working now that it is attached to a child object. Why is this?

SieSo I decided I wanted to make this script part of a separate swap-able weapon so I made a child and put the script there. Before the script worked fine but now it won't work. The script works as follows: if the left mouse button is pressed send a ray cast out forward, if it hits something matchin...

 
 
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user92578
5:31 AM
Religion teacher drew on a smart board with regular markers :D
 
5:47 AM
Hey there people!
I am making a 2d pokemon styled game that teaches highschool math.
Any suggestions?
 
 
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user92578
6:56 AM
@Inarito This seems very broad. What are you wanting suggestions on?
 
user92578
8:58 AM
Number theory in math
 
user92578
Apparently 7 does not divide 51
 
no shit...
You now that there are only natural number based systems
 
user92578
Suresure
 
Jon
12:05 PM
Numbers are made up to define quantity
Don't be a part of the system. Down with numbers.
 
Hi jon
and tyyppi_77
 
user92578
Hi
 
Maybe you guys can help
 
DH.
Maybe, who knows?
 
I want to create a proceduraly generated dungeon (gridbased).
 
DH.
12:16 PM
And you already have a starting point? Maze generation algorithm or something like that?
 
the rooms are supposed to be connected directly, so no tunnels from one room to another. My entire grid has finite dimensions
I created some room-templates. The plan I had was to fill the grid with random Rectangles and fit the room patterns into the rectangles.
 
DH.
You want a chaotic like Tyyppi posted, or you want something like Binding of Isaac?
 
in order to fill the grid with rectangles I htought of using some packingalgorithm. So packing random rectangles into finite rectangle, do you guys know any resource?
 
user92578
How about the gif in the gamasutra article?
 
12:20 PM
that looks awesome
 
DH.
The guide tyyppi posted is really good, a bit complex and will need you to read quite a bit, but it's really good
 
I already know that, it somehow seems a little overkill to me
I just want to fit some rects into another rect ^^
but thank you though
 
It's actually a really simple algorithm though
 
DH.
It just takes a good time to adapt it to a real use
 
yeah it is also it has hallways I wanted to avoid them
I will have to implement it in C# but that should not be a problem
 
DH.
12:24 PM
it has hallways because it generated them
If you generate only rooms the algorithm should still work
the only problem is that it will create a very large structure
 
I haven't read it all but dimensions can surely be adjusted,right?
 
Yeah
Just dial back the size or number of rooms
 
ok I will implement it, thanks guys
 
And one method of avoiding halways is to (until all rooms are connected to others) try to increase one dimension of one of the rooms
That should connect all rooms eventually, but it might get stuck
 
I will have to adjust it anyways, my generator should return more vertically algned dungeons
#i
 
12:29 PM
So if nothing good happens for some thousand iterations (should take no time at all) move to a next seed and try again =p
 
@Käsebrot Fitting what into your rect.??
 
@MickLH other random rects
 
Jokes aside be careful asking about a rectangle packing algorithm if you don't really want them packed super tightly
 
DH.
Incredible how you only appear to make a joke
 
You make me confused right now
 
12:32 PM
You might get an answer like "Maximal Rectangles, but you can settle for Skyline if you need better performance"
 
is this about buttholes?
 
No that's long gone
 
kk
 
But also yes, "rect. packing" is ambiguous and can lead to butthole humor
 
I see, what a rich and colorful language you have
checked "Maximal Rectangles", not the algorithm I was looking for
 
12:35 PM
I see you've used colorful instead of colourful, are you calling me a yank?
...or just spelling it correctly, because that's the correct way to spell it? (without the 'u')
 
That is how I learned it
I am not calling you anything
^^
 
not even "baby" ?
 
you have no name
 
ahhh I have thoroughly fucked up the serious, I feel better now
 
depends who you are voting for on the next election
 
12:37 PM
you are now known as ""
 
segfault
 
lol
 
in california you are voting for democrats anyway right?
 
biiiittch please, voting! hah!
 
that is the attitude that gets scumbags elected you know
 
12:39 PM
you didn't call me baby... your fault
enjoy your consequences
 
vote for her,baby
See what I am doing to save your nation the embarrassment
?
 
but I identify with trump's "I am irrationally the best regardless of evidence." attitude
 
called you baby...baby, twice
you do?
 
Also I could have told you maximal rectangles is not what you want :P
That's what I actually meant when I said "be careful"
 
I know, wanted to look it up anyway. I like algorithms
 
12:42 PM
rectangle packing is basically its own area of algorithms
 
they are much better them humans
 
you can read entire papers just comparing bin packing routines
 
I want it quick and dirty and would have picked the simplest one
I also do not care for performance in my game
 
Shelf
 
ok now you throw in another word.
what is that supposed to mean?
 
12:44 PM
That would be the quick and dirty choice with no fucks given with respect to performance in any dimension
So you don't have to read papers
But it's the wrong kind of "rectangle packing algorithm" still :P
 
ok so is there any paper + fucks given + slow and clean?
except for the gifs on gamasutra ofc
 
For procedural dungeons?
 
I have a really annoying problem. I have a gui that should come out when pressing a buttom. I attached an animation to have this gui enlarge from 0 to final size in 0.20 seconds. when I press the buttom it behaves wierdly: sometimes it is just fine; other times before the animation starts it rapidly blinks with the final size like if unity sometimes processes first the enabling of the component and the in next frame begins with the animation
 
Or for bin packing lmao?
 
yes sir
for procedural dungeons
 
Jon
12:48 PM
Procedural dungeons are easy
 
Good ones are hard =p
 
Jon
There are tons of articles on them
 
throw some at me
 
Jon
I wrote one
I can't I'm on my phone too much effort
 
Silly Mick
Everything is too much effort for @Jon.
Visual and nicely explained :)
 
12:59 PM
nvm, solved!
 
Jon
Eat my fart dust will
 
I think you should see a doctor if you fart dust.
 
DH.
Hm... So it spreads a few rooms, use a maze algorithm to fill everything, then attach the rooms to the hallways and then clear dead ends
Pretty neat
 
@KevinvanderVelden I just went through this article in ShaderX5 the other day
 
Cool, it's a shame books like that are so expensive =[
 
1:16 PM
Yeah it feels weird sometimes like the knowledge is locked up in a box when it should be out "running" free
I had to cough up the money for ShaderX though, I had found so many techniques online that traced back to it... and Engel does a nice job editing everything in addition to dropping algorithmic bombs himself lol
 
Hmm
They're actually not super expensive, usually books like that are 100+
 
@DH. Yeah, it's actually pretty neat. I'm thinking of using it myself. But instead of each tile being a tile, it'll be a small room segment, like 11x11 tiles or something with various variations. Should give a nice look I think.
 
Only problem is only some of them are available here
Might buy one or 2
 
I think the price has gone down a lot since the new "GPU Pro" series has basically superseded it
 
DH.
@WilliamMariager So instead of one tile hallways you want to fill with smaller rooms?
 
1:28 PM
@DH. Well, kinda, more like segments that make up the hall way.
Imagine pieces like that, instead of the singular tiles shown in the tutorial.
Then just have them autotile based on the openings. :)
Then I could have like 5 different straight segments, which gets picked at random and then put together using the algorithm.
 
DH.
Oh right
So, if your game isn't top-down it will look way better
 
Jon
I like my games like my women. Top down.
 
I like these things like correct problem solving should be. Also top down?
 
@Jon I'm not sure this is appropriate for here...
 
Jon
Flag it
 
1:33 PM
I mean, not "women are things" seriously not that
 
I'd rather not, that's a bit extreme.
 
@Jon There's room between "You probably shouldn't post that here" and "I wanna time you out"
 
Jon
Come on. Pawk pawwwwwwk (chicken sound)
 
@Jon Imagine that the other way around. "The latest game from Edmund McMillen, the Ass Up, Face Down game Binding of Isaac: Now it's weird"
 
Jon
1:37 PM
I wish there was a flag count on my profile
 
I don't consider it offensive I consider it inappropriate. Kids are reading and stuff..
 
lol
 
I wish I could just flag your profile.
 
Jon
South Park : the fractured but whole
 
Saves us all some time.
 
1:37 PM
@WilliamMariager For moderator attention? Sure
That counts as flagging
 
lol
triplol lol
 
Jon
I like my coffee like my women. Ground up into crystals and soaked in boiling water.
 
I don't think coffee grounds into crystals.
... grinds?
 
lol I'm actually having trouble figuring out when that happens at all
 
Jon
Grinded
 
1:40 PM
Gruntet
 
Jon
Ground or Grinded
 
Grounder'd
 
@Jon You're going to far now...
 
Grinderered, now with 10% more Gruntding.
 
1:41 PM
k/j
 
Jon
Triggered
 
Twiggered*
 
Jon
Ahahaha
 
Hows your friend btw?
 
Jon
Luckily haven't heard him speak in a while
He would make a great trigonometry teacher
 
1:42 PM
WTF! I just realized that I could flag my own messages?!
 
HEY! If anyone needs a fucking ridiculously huge prime number I've got your back yo
481899 × 2⁴⁸¹⁸⁹⁹ + 1, is totally a prime number
 
@MickLH Give it back!
 
Jon
Hmmmmmm
 
@MickLH ... I'm tempted to put that into Python to see what happens.
 
Jon
I don't need a large prime but I do need to pee
 
1:43 PM
more importantly, 5 is a primitive root of that stupidly large prime
soooo if you can deal with the really long calculations, enjoy your 481,917-bit encryption
I swearsies I don't have the Logjam for that precomputed
I'm not even sure if it would be possible to compute a single discrete log on that group given human-race scale resources
It's estimated that the government is spending billions just to break the couple thousand bit groups we use for SSL
 
Jon
It has to be done. They need the dick pics
If you can't keep tabs on all your citizens how can you convert into a totalitarian state?
 
user92578
@MickLH good that it's totally prime number, the primes that are only partially primers are so annoying
 
totes mcgoats, brah
 
Who needs a totalitarian state? Aldous Huxley already described the world we live in now. Who needs force when you can make people simply not care?
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1:59 PM
That's way 3 real bro, 5 real tho
 
6 sho guy
 
7reeeeeelllll bhruvvher
 
DH.
That thing we call here the government of "bread and circus"
Keep the population with enough to eat and with enough distractions and parties and the population won't be a problem
 
2:17 PM
@WilliamMariager See, I don't think the system is "making people not care". They just naturally don't.
 
@Almo Oh yeah, definitely, we see that all the time when people don't bother helping others in need.
 
DH.
Well, by seeing how the TV works I would say that yeah, the system helps a bit for people not caring
 
Most of the drone shows on TV are only there because people don't care enough to want better.
 
DH.
But definitely, "we" are just a bunch of idiots living on our own
 
On a different topic, I got a job interview monday. :D
C# WCF backend stuff for some company.
As far as I could tell, it'd be a small project, and I'll be left to decide everything, as they don't have their own software department.
 
DH.
2:22 PM
Oh, so it isn't a software company, it's just a company wanting a home made system
 
Yeah, something like that.
It's a Scandinavian company that deals in chicken meat. They need a unified way for various departments to report products or something. Not 100% sure. :P They'll give more details in the interview.
 
DH.
Oh, you're going to work from home?
 
Good luck! those are my favorite projects usually
 
@DH. Mostly home, but some at their local branch.
 
@WilliamMariager :(
@DH. Uh no. TV gives people what they want. If they wanted to be more active, that's what would be on tv.
Whoever said (I can't remember whom) had it right when they said people will vote for bread and circuses every time.
I do agree that while both Huxley and Orwell were precient, Huxley was closer to the mark (at least outside the communist-totalitarian states).
 
DH.
2:35 PM
Well I totally avoid TV because the news are bs and almost everything else sucks
 
heheh :)
I don't see much TV. Some news mainly. Though I watch a few shows on NFLX, most of my free time is gaming or making games.
Watching news with a critical eye is very important though.
BBC seems best as far as I can tell
 
DH.
I see only some documentary on History Channel and such, some funny stuff like Family Guy and Simpsons and that's all
News sucks on TV, on web it's way better
 
GUYS!!! check it out someone did one of my crazy ideas
 
DH.
Cool
Some of them get's really close to the reality
 
You know it won't be too long before Photoshop includes an AI to assist you by trying to do it for you and then asking you if that's what you intended
 
DH.
2:50 PM
How that works? Database of images and try to learn from the shape and details what color they are and multiply it by the darkness on the black and white image?
 
Basically just the first part
Just train the neural network over a million examples that the color version is the correct answer to the black and white version
 
DH.
Holy shit 3 days of training of the AI
And here I was complaining last year that my work from the university was taking 15 minutes to train
 
Jon
I like to observe long periods of training in a montage
 
Sie
3:25 PM
@Mick So what have you been working on lately?
 
I implemented Diffie-Hellman in my game networking code
working on message authentication without raping bandwidth now, since the messages are so small
 
Sie
What type of game is it? Everything I've read regarding networking says that not to trust the client for shit and let a server dictate what is and isn't legit.
 
That's the Right Way(TM) but I can't do that
 
Sie
I'd imagine that it is more expensive to do it that way too.
 
My game is an FPS type thingy, I usually don't spoil even the slightest detail but I kinda have to, to talk about it specifically at all
Basically it's a sandbox and there are surely unlimited ways to "finish" the game that I'll never think of
But also I intend for it to be played like one of those "almost linear" sandbox types
 
Sie
3:34 PM
You could do it Minecraft's way and make it so that there is no real win state. I mean sure you can beat the Ender Dragon and get to a credit screen but even then that isn't technically the ending as you can go right back to playing as normal afterwards.
 
Well the "win" state is just whether or not you had fun lol
 
Sie
True.
 
But there are some hard "game over" states, like being killed, or everyone dying including you, or the world being destroyed
 
Sie
Minecraft is one of those games that I feel like is only really fun when you have friends to play with. Sure there are mega servers out there but they are just random people. Once my friends stopped playing I stopped too.
 
Also, you spawn at the edge of death, in the middle of a trap inside a bigger trap lol
I fully expect some players to ragequit the first challenge
Also within the first few minutes of gameplay, it's possible to make a "wrong choice" that screws you over later in the game but you have no way to know what it was until the 2nd time you play through lol
 
Sie
3:39 PM
Sounds pretty brutal for a sandbox game lol.
 
That's all I can say without giving away anything major :P
 
Sie
When I think of sandbox games I think of GMod, Minecraft, Rust, and the likes and those can be hard but their not that hard to play.
 
Oh you can play forever, I'm trying to make it last indefinitely because most people will need a long time to figure out the story going on around them
The idea is that you can play it anywhere on the spectrum between "boring grindy RPG" to "mindless run & gun FPS"
 
Sie
Huh. Sounds interesting.
 
The more you discover about the story going on, the more it chases you down trying to kill you lol
Also a lot of other things chase you down trying to kill you, so it's hard to filter out the noise unless you get an idea of what the story is in the first place
Also one other detail I can share: Zombies.
 
Jon
3:49 PM
Meanwhile mick literally tries to hunt and kill you in real life
5
Creates an unprecedented level of immersion in gaming
 
Sie
@Jon 10/10 - IGN
 
Jon
Assume == u + me + ass
This day needs to wrap up
 
Sie
It's barely even noon yet.
 
it's not even 9am yet here lol
 
Jon
Programmer's wife tells him "while you are out buy some bread". He never returned
 
3:58 PM
and she got the credit card bill a month later with $20k in bread charges
 
Sie
We've been reduced to puns now? God we're turning into Reddit closer by the day now.
 
where's a pun
 
Ah, I didn't expect any clever programmer reason. I thought he just had an identity crisis and took a plane trip to costa rica right then and there, found a new woman and new life
 
puns are like "I submitted ten puns to a pun contest, hoping one would win. No pun in ten did".
 
3:59 PM
lol!
 
things that sound alike and have very different meanings
 
@Almo That's a play on words, not a pun
 
oh really
give us a pun then
 
Jon
I wrote ten puns for the local newspaper. Not a single pun made the paper. No pun in ten did.
 
@Almo I can't commit such a crime against literature
Don't look for the pun in there lol, it's just deadpan
 
4:01 PM
hahaha
I never thought Bob Newhart was funny... until a Nick at Night segment explained "deadpan humor" to me.
Now I get it, and he's pretty good.
 
Jon
Norm
 
My ongoing joke is that "Play on words" and "Pun" mean exactly the same thing, but that a "Pun" is a horrible, criminal atrocity of language
While a "Play on words" is good fun
 
Jon
Pun was also file name for warcraft2 maps
No wait it was pud
 
@MickLH ooooh
good one
 
Jon
Don't encourage him
 
4:04 PM
For academic reasons, please excuse the horror, but here is a pun for reference
> How to defeat your enemies: Chop off their feet.
2
 
Sie
This entire room right now...
 
This is an extremely fucked up .gif
 
Jon
Most fucked up image ever posted here
Super racist too
 
I'm actually not sure if that existing is ok
 
Sie
It's just a really bad loop from some old Nick show.
 
Jon
4:07 PM
Is that a black panther reference
 
Sie
This is where it's from iirc: imdb.com/title/tt0405576
 
lol I love that late 90s habit of rolling the extremely nerdy guy archetype in with the token black guy archetype as if they cancel each other's offensive properties when in reality they just exponentiate them :P
 
Sie
> 2004
Close enough I suppose.
 
You don't honestly think that's the first show to do that, do you?
So, by induction, you don't honestly think 2004 detracts from my statement in any ways, right?
So, by extension, you don't think you're "giving back" some of my rightness that actually I always had? RIGHT?
 
Sie
Of course not. Urkel has been doing that shit since the late 80's.
 
4:12 PM
RIGHT!!?!!?
 
Jon
Dididodat
 
Jon
4:22 PM
How many programmers do you need to screw in a light bulb
 
Clearly that's the hardware technician's problem.
 
Jon
Also dependant on the size of the bulb
 
I guess also need is a relative term, I mean we all need to get our rocks off but watching programmers screw, inside a lightbulb, really? I'm judging at that point.
 
Jon
And is it cfl or led or incandescent
 
You guys are hilarious ...
 
4:29 PM
Get it, @Almo, HILL airyous. because it rhymes with hairyness and this pun is fucking hairy, get it?
I'm afraid he's gonna be mad at me for pinging him over that now
 
Jon
Hilarious comes from the term Hillary, coined by the Clintons
 
DH.
5:13 PM
Hey Mick, wasn't a implementation of Diffie Hellman found to be flawed? Or was it the fix? I can't remember it
 
5:35 PM
Seriously Lync, WTF
 
DH.
Blerg Lync
we use that shit here at work too
 
its like skype ... just more messed up
because they put a layer on top of the already fucked up skype code
 
I have heard rumors that the Lync team does not use Lync for communications
 
no suprises there
 
They decided Skype was better than Lync in Office 2013.
So Lync is gone.
 
DH.
5:41 PM
Lync is no more actually
they named it "Skype for Business"
 
Right.
 
DH.
But it's Lync anyway, same shit just the name is different
 
When we upgraded to Office 2013 at work, Lync went away, to become Skype.
Pretty much.
 
Sie
Finally done with all my finals garbage.
 
Jon
Lync is awesome
 
DH.
5:55 PM
You need to use Lync too Jon?
 
Jon
Yeah
 
Sie
Apparently Mr. Krabs is getting married to a wad of cash now.
 
Jon
You ever really think about the message in alladin?
 
Sie
Not really. What about it?
 
Jon
Peasant dude gets no respect from princess until he uses some magical lamp to give him tons of money
 
5:58 PM
@Jon: It seems like TriPeaks isn't updating the score or streak if you win the game.
 
Jon
It should. What u mean?
 
I win, and I don't see the score or streak update. I start the next game, and I see that it had updated.
 
Jon
Ah ok I'll check that out thanks man
 
No problem.
 
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