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@OMGtechy well I got smashed by bots when I really should've smashed them. Not sure if I just played terribly, but ping certainly had something to do with it.

Pip

12:13 AM

yeah, it did

Icy Defiance

I'd say it'll be a problem. Anything > 80 ms is noticeable and annoying to me.

Lokkij

The game relies heavily on skillshots, which are MUCH harder to hit with 170 ping.

Pip

I think I am done for today, actually :)

OMGtechy

Well, I just got a beer. So now if I do badly, I can blame other players as @IcyDefiance suggested, the server as @Lokkij suggested and the alcohol otherwise.

Pip

Going to play with my Unity platformer a bit

Lokkij

12:14 AM

@Pip but you WILL play your next game as Ezreal!

Pip

Alright :)

Lokkij

Anyway I should really get some sleep. Good night everyone!

Pip

If he's in the rotation

OMGtechy

night

Pip

night!

OMGtechy

12:14 AM

@Pip wait, so now I'm joining you're leaving? :P

Pip

sorry :(

Need to go actually eat then work on my game and some FTC stuff

OMGtechy

:O

Pip

learning RobotC

OMGtechy

cool

@IcyDefiance you still playing?

Icy Defiance

nah I wasn't playing earlier either. I'm trying to get this damn starbound server online again.

even digital ocean itself is giving me problems now

can't even fucking ssh into my server now

god

OMGtechy

12:16 AM

suppose I have to wait for it to download anyway

patch after patch I'm guessing

AttackingHobo

ARMA III King of the Hill is the best KOTH game mode I've ever played. I wish more games had something similar

7Blue_Beast7

12:31 AM

Hi All!

Guess I won't say means things again.

AttackingHobo

@7Blue_Beast7 HOW RUDE

7Blue_Beast7

@AttackingHobo :D

AttackingHobo

>>:C

7Blue_Beast7

@AttackingHobo Mean*

Guess what.

My dad bought me a 200billion isk

On EVE and man I am going to buy me a tempest

Pip

Icelandic currency?

7Blue_Beast7

12:34 AM

@Pip Hm? ^

Pip

wait... why aren't you on ignore.... huh

Ignored

ooh, they fixed it to get rid of his earlier messages as well

cool

Anyone have time to test something for me?

Icy Defiance

sure, I'm just waiting on an annoying server

Pip

Do you have Unity 4.6? Not needed, but would be helpful later

Icy Defiance

nope, just 4.5.something

could download it quickly though

Pip

kk

drive.google.com/…

Can you try the build?

If you click play game, it should bring you to a second screen

but the UI doesn't work on the second scene for some reason :/

Icy Defiance

12:40 AM

I get "back to menu" and "quit" buttons in the lower-left corner

neither of them do anything when I click on them

that's after clicking play

Pip

yeah

that's the problem I'm having atm

7Blue_Beast7

PiP is rank mean.

Pip

if you have 4.6, you can open the project in Unity

Icy Defiance

I think I'll pass on that, at least for now. annoying server is almost done being annoying, hopefully.

Pip

alright :)

OMFG I am such a fucking idiot

Ascendion

12:42 AM

still need help, @pip ??

Pip

nope....

There is no Event thing in the second scene..... such stupidity on my part

works now

Alright, no more mistakes tonight

Ascendion

dream on :)

Pip

hey @Serial

Icy Defiance

3 wheeled, 84 MPG car to go on sale in US next year for $6800. usatoday.com/media/cinematic/video/9534625/…

Pip

cool

I like the 84 mpg... the three wheeled not so much :P

Alright, nvm

I like it

Only one seat tho :)

Serial

12:47 AM

@Pip hey whatsup!

Pip

Working on a platformer to get used to Unity :)

now for some actual platformer-ness, now that all of the GUI is done for now

Serial

oh cool! how is Unity

Pip

like it so far

Serial

cool cool

SpartanDonut

Unity is the worst game I have ever played D:<

Serial

1:01 AM

Has anyone used lwjgl

SpartanDonut

lololol

I don't even know how to respond.... I guess "nope" would have been my answer

Serial

does it suck?

SpartanDonut

My comment was in response to Ali's deleted message

That said, I've not used lwjgl

Ali.S

but seriously how else can one interpret that shape? I mean "D" is obviously the head and "<" can be the legs

SpartanDonut

But everytime I see it my brain assumes it means "light weight jiggle"

Serial

1:04 AM

oh haha

SpartanDonut

@Ali.S :D is a really big smile yes?

so D: is a really big frown

D:< is a really big frown with angry eye brows

Ali.S

ok...

this one seems more like a frown ):

Icy Defiance

no he's sad

Ali.S

and this one is an angry one >:

Icy Defiance

>:( is a frown

SpartanDonut

1:05 AM

@Ali.S I'm pretty sure that's a muppet

OMGtechy

:^| this one is called fred

Icy Defiance

fred doesn't look very intelligent

OMGtechy

@SpartanDonut mee mee meep

SpartanDonut

Let's not forget Elvis. @:D

Icy Defiance

but then, is anyone named fred intelligent?

OMGtechy

1:05 AM

That's marge

@@@@@:D

SpartanDonut

I was going to counter with something similar ;)

OMGtechy

#_#

Calvin Harris

|||||||||
|# _ # |
\_____/

SpartanDonut

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡slɐɯɹou

OMGtechy

In other news, who's playing LoL? I've finally given in

SpartanDonut

You on NA?

OMGtechy

1:08 AM

I am wherever

Don't really mind

SpartanDonut

I'm ToddersLegrande on NA

Pip

ಠ_ಠ

OMGtechy

Alright I'll make an account shortly

just watching a video on some python stuff

Pip

1:22 AM

can someone explain the tertiary operator or whatever to me?

the x : y ? z one

Almo

neato: ln-dev.maniac-games.com/ln-game/cronjob.php

that php script only works if it's run by the cron job on the server.

Pip

cool

Almo

ternary operator

a = (b == true) ? 5 : 6;

if b is true, a = 5

if b is false, a = 6

OMGtechy

the == true isn't needed really, but yeah

Almo

just making it clear what's going on

OMGtechy

1:23 AM

fair enough

Almo

shows that it's evaluating a boolean value to pick from val1 : val2

Pip

so a = condition ? ifconditiontrue : ifconditionfalse

right?

Almo

yeah

be careful, it can lead to ugly code

a = b ? c : d ? e : f;

a = c if b is true. if c is false, then a = e if d is true or f is d is false

sure

    if(b)
    {
        a = c;
    }
    else if(d)
    {
        a = e;
    }
    else
    {
        a = f;
    }

is longer

but you can tell what it does at a glance

Pip

Alright, cool

Almo

hahaha sorry took a bit to get that right

Pip

1:29 AM

:)

Serial

they have something like that in python

Almo

ternary operators are the root of ~~all~~ some evil.

Pip

three ---

lol

Almo

:)

pretty happy i got my cronjob working

Serial

foo = (1 if a == b else -1)

Pip

1:30 AM

Now I can't get the background to render behind the sprites.... that is a bit annoying

Almo

next step is to have it create constests and close them based on time

then make the rules to pick winners

then I will have you guys come alpha test (if you are so inclined)

Pip

cool

I guess my background is going to be a sprite then... huh\

Almo

@IcyDefiance hey

SpartanDonut

1:47 AM

@Pip wat?

Icy Defiance

@Almo sorry about that, was taking a shower. back now.

Almo

haha nothin to be sorry about

SpartanDonut

In the sprite renderer there should be a layer or sort property of sorts

Almo

got my cronjob running

Icy Defiance

whoo

no idea what that is

Almo

1:47 AM

ln-dev.maniac-games.com/ln-game/cronjob.php

it's a php the runs every hour, on the hour

and if someone hits it from the outside, there's a missing argument and it fails to run

Serial

Bohemian Rhapsody

Icy Defiance

wtf you can't taunt me like that and then not give me a cookie. asshole.

Serial

<3

Almo

this will create the new contests and pick the winners

database is set up

hope to get that running tomorrow

Icy Defiance

ahh okay I get it

Almo

1:48 AM

after that, just an interface for people to enter their numbers, and the proto will be up and running

Icy Defiance

cool

Almo

after that is the ugly bit. the user-facing iPhone app

my friend who is helping is a x-platform kind of guy, so after iphone android will probably follow

so you up for a game?

need 2 LP for another series

SpartanDonut

I just started my series

haven't played any yet

Icy Defiance

I guess so. this stupid compile job has been running for an hour now and still shows no signs of completing.

only took 10 minutes on x64

no idea wtf it's doing here

MickLH

I'm gonna deploy my language, Magic, into a production environment lol

Almo

1:54 AM

@SpartanDonut cool; hope you win it!

SpartanDonut

:D

u 2

Almo

i can come along for a game if you want, but I'd recommend you take Icy instead

OMGtechy

@Almo I've just finished my first match ha

Almo

:)

Ketan Ahir

2:31 AM

Hi... Anyone working with unity ?

MickLH

Not me

Ketan Ahir

I am new to game development. I just started to create a card game like "Hearts" in windows 7. I have basic knowledge of unity. But anyone can suggest me how to start or some prototype ?

user4704

@KetanAhir What have you already made with Unity?

user4704

Anything?

Ketan Ahir

@JoshPetrie I just followed some tutorials and learned how to create scene, gameobject, scripting, texture etc.

now I just want HOW TO START and WHERE TO START ?

MickLH

2:49 AM

lol

user4704

Perhaps you should follow a tutorial for an actual, simple, game?

user4704

It's a very broad topic, if are lost you may need to develop more of a foundation in the process of building things with Unity.

Ketan Ahir

@JoshPetrie yeah..you are right..but can you tell some initial things for this game..I will learn with different topic once I start this.

user4704

What have you tried?

Ketan Ahir

@JoshPetrie I just want to distribute 52 cards in among 4 side of desk.. for this should I use 4 arrays(1 for 13 cards) or only one array for all cards ?

user4704

2:57 AM

Why would you use four arrays?

Almo

have you ever programmed anything before?

Ketan Ahir

@Almo actually I am an android developer and I also worked with libgdx.

Almo

ok, so unity is what's new, not programming

if that's true, then I find it odd you've asked this question about 4 arrays.

we're just trying to gauge what level you're at so we can figure out the best advice to give

Ketan Ahir

@Almo ok..so I will use 1 array for 52 textures and also prefabs for a blank card. then draw 52 card using loop...am I right ?

user4704

Are you?

user4704

3:02 AM

Why would you be wrong?

user4704

Can you think of anything obviously wrong with that approach?

OMGtechy

ello folks

Ketan Ahir

@JoshPetrie ok...now I will create this scene in sceneview by drag-n-drop. then how can I randomize all cards ?

MLM

@JohnMcDonald you here?

Almo

wow previously I was doing like 20 lines of PHP to pick the winner. now it's just

SELECT entry, COUNT(*) FROM ln_entries WHERE contestid = 1 GROUP BY entry ORDER BY COUNT(*), entry;

SQL gives you this weird feeling of power when it works

Almo

3:35 AM

aw yeah, my script picks the winner, or reports there wasn't one.

OMGtechy

it's always nice when you get something down to one line

even if it's no faster

when I say down to one line, I mean down to one like that you can actually read

Almo

hahaha

OMGtechy

not just chaining everything together like a nazi

Almo

ok it's 11:40

going to quit now

don't want to burn out on this shit

OMGtechy

it's 04:41 here

Almo

3:41 AM

got plenty of hard stuff to do at work monday

wow

OMGtechy

you'd think that Unity would be smart enough NOT to get stuck in an infinite loop in your code

but you'd think wrong

Almo

hahaha

ln-dev.maniac-games.com/ln-game/cronjob.php

that's my code picking the winning number from some data

next up, allow people to put in numbers

after that, let people see who won the last few contests, and a list of their wins

next, package data so people can download all the entries.

then to make the mobile client

and boom, game :)

should be a couple months, I would guess

but the web-only proto will be free to play while in alpha so you guys can play if you want

Ascendion

@omgtechy -- lol -- expecting an API like unity to be able to detect your infinite loop your code caused ?? its a 3D engine, not a friggin AI or expert system analyzing your code :)

Almo

just found out the guy who directed Nebraska and Election (great movies) also directed Inside Out III (a playboy video).

so if you're laughing at your cousin who's directing soft porn, he might be the next oscar winner.

OMGtechy

@Ascendion I just expect it to give me a way out of it without crashing, like Visual Studio does

while(true){} == losing all your unsaved work

you cannot hit "stop" anywhere

@Almo such text :D

Almo

3:56 AM

:)

OMGtechy

What is this UserCake

Almo

if you have VS, and you're using UnityVS, you can probably connect the debugger and stop it

it's a download-and-go user management system

OMGtechy

@Almo I managed to hook up Monodevelop, but I couldn't stop it, only pause it and change variables value

Almo

supports a lot of cool stuff

OMGtechy

I couldn't get out of the loop

Almo

3:57 AM

:(

OMGtechy

had to let it die

</3

I should really sleep now anyway

gnight

Almo

bye :)

user92578

6:11 AM

Morning

SpicyWeenie

Hello

user92578

6:28 AM

Aight, back to this bug that I have been trying to fix for only three whole days.

user92578

It's really annoying that it's a must-fix bug, so not just a small annoying one...

user92578

This just happened:

user92578

SpicyWeenie

what happened?

user92578

6:40 AM

Possibility #1: My rendering code / positions are bit broken

user92578

Possibility #2: SDL is messing something up

SpicyWeenie

not quite understanding what we are suppose to be looking at

user92578

The lines

user92578

They're not supposed to be there

SpicyWeenie

6:57 AM

if the blue are tiles, then it could be that the image has a pixel-width border around them

user92578

7:16 AM

I just realized that the "lines" come from the tiles next to the actual tile in the tilesheet

Benjamin Danger Johnson

bummer. I had similar issue with Unity's automatic Mip Mapping

user92578

The thing is that I just can't like offset the "texture coordinates" by one pixel, since those line's do not appear always, but those change depending on the level offset

Benjamin Danger Johnson

so your tiles use different widths on different levels?

user92578

Nope, level offset -> rendering "scrolling"

Benjamin Danger Johnson

ah so these only appear when you move to far to the side

user92578

7:22 AM

Player moves left -> level is rendered offset to right, to implement scrolling

user92578

These appear randomly when the playre moves. some positions don't have any lines, some have many, some have little

Benjamin Danger Johnson

sounds like a rounding issue

Are all your tiles parented to the same object (I guess a world or map object that moves for scrolling)

user92578

Yeah, the tiles are contained by the level class

Benjamin Danger Johnson

ah good. That should at least isolate the problem area

I'm guessing the issue happens where something is being rounded in the wrong direction.

user92578

Could be the fact that SDL wants the "texture coordinates" in pixel, but then they translate those to OpenGL supported float format?

Benjamin Danger Johnson

7:25 AM

assuming your positions are done with floating point values

user92578

My positions are ALWAYS on integers

Benjamin Danger Johnson

ah, well going from int to float shouldn't be an issue

usually it's when you convert from float to int

user92578

Are you familiar with SDLs rendering API, or should I explain what might be the problem there?

Benjamin Danger Johnson

Not at all. I usually use either pure OpenGL with Glew or Unity

user92578

So you know OpenGL then. That's good

Benjamin Danger Johnson

7:27 AM

know is a strong word

but I've played with it

user92578

So, basicaly SDL2 has now textures, so SDL2 uses OpenGL in the background for it's rendering

user92578

It's enough that you know the concepts in OpenGL

Benjamin Danger Johnson

now textures?

user92578

This is basic rendering call in SDL2: SDL_RenderCopy(m_Renderer, renderDescription->GetSourceTexture(), sourceRect, &destinationRectangle);

user92578

Basicaly it renders one bix texture that contains all the tiles, to the position defined by destionatioRectangle

user92578

7:30 AM

sourceRect is the area of the texture to render. If I want to render the first tile in the tileset texture, sourceRect would be {0, 0, 16, 16}. Second tile would be {16, 0, 16, 16}, and so on

Benjamin Danger Johnson

ah I see

so you supply a tile sheet to the renderer

user92578

So the rendering area is defined in PIXELS

Benjamin Danger Johnson

fair enough

user92578

However, as you know, OpenGL use floats from 0.0 to 1.0

Benjamin Danger Johnson

yep

user92578

7:30 AM

So SDL has to translate those pixel values to OpenGL floats

Benjamin Danger Johnson

ah I see

well I would probably rule out it being an SDL bug then

user92578

What I'm guessing is that this operation is failing, causing the texture coordinates round to wrong nuber, and so "bleeding" a bit from the wrong tile to the actual rendering process

Benjamin Danger Johnson

It is possible, but I kind of doubt they would have trouble translating pixel int coords to a float range

it's possible, but again, int -> float is pretty hard to mess up

user92578

That is very true, and me tileset texture size is even a power of two

user92578

yeah

Benjamin Danger Johnson

7:32 AM

is it possible you are moving before everything is rendered to the screen?

user92578

No, all updating/moving is performed before rendering

Benjamin Danger Johnson

hmm. Well when all else fails you can just add some break points and see if something doesn't match up in the render code

if the lines are persistent you should be able to just add the break point in after you get them on screen to see where things stand

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