Game Development

1:45 AM

HEY guys? i see that the steam summer sale has taken some victims

Anyhow if anyone could answer this later, does javascript have inline thing like C++ does? I been looking but so far it doesnt.... but maybe one of you guys know of new features that support that. (I dont really care about old browsers since its a HTML5 game so if they cant do that then they probably cant do canvas either)

SpartanDonut

@androidmaster can you link to what you mean in the C++ sense? I'm not sure what your'e talking about to help answer the question

SpartanDonut

2:27 AM

Anyone use the UnityVS add on?

hasherr

2:45 AM

Man, I almost forgot how much job hunting sucked

almost

SpartanDonut

When you're experienced enough you'll have recruiters calling you

hasherr

Hopefully. Right now I'm leaning more towards retail.

I don't think any tech company would hire me.

SpartanDonut

You're probably looking at freelance if you want to get into tech right now yeah

hasherr

Even then it's hard. Freelancing online for a minor is hard. I'd have to get my parents to make an account and outsource all the work to me.

And I want to do that, I just have no idea what to specialize in. Web is probably the most popular, so maybe that.

SpartanDonut

I totally feel ya. The honest truth is freelance work you due would probably be "under the table" per say lol

hasherr

2:50 AM

Yeah, with a cash pay and no formal contracts.

I'm fine with this.

The only problem would be finding places to do it for.

I could do it for people on craigslist or some shit.

SpartanDonut

Yeah freelance is hard at your age

hasherr

So maybe not meant to be?

SpartanDonut

I honestly recommend getting a steady job and freelance on the side if you can swing it... when I was your age money > experience at that point so stead job wins out

If you feel experience > money then you can take "job time" hunting for freelance jobs

And charge accordingly

hasherr

I know a kid who did freelancing stuff, just basic web stuff for small businesses in my area

Maybe he could hook me up with something

SpartanDonut

Yeah maybe he even has an overflow of work :P

hasherr

3:00 AM

Outsource

= ca-ching

SpartanDonut

Difference between me and most people, I live in rural Wisconsin. Not many places to go try and freelance for

I can't get VS to attach to Unity D:<

hasherr

Hehe, I live in what's technically a 'city' but it's really just a collection of small suburbs

Now that I think about it... there's two restaurants near me. Both are owned by immigrants and they're both strictly family run local businesses. Maybe they'd be interested.

I think it's just that I don't want a shitty job. Even money isn't necessarily that important to me, just money for gas and insurance and saving for school.

I like to code more than I like to make snowcones.

No matter how many pretty girls I get to see.

@SpartanDonut Real quick, I know you work with ASP.

Why do the header items slip downwards when I shorten the screen instead of moving in to the left?

MLM

@hasherr overflow probably

jsfiddle if you want to know for sure

hasherr

@MLM Nope, oveflow: hidden didn't fix it.

MLM

@hasherr overflow won't fix it. At best it will hide it if you apply it to a parent of the nav items. Your elements are probably overflowing outside of the parent

hasherr

3:14 AM

Oh, okay, so I need to apply oveflow to the parent as well (with the parent being the box?)

@MLM Okay, that worked.

SpartanDonut

@hasherr did you upload your current build?

hasherr

No, I will in a sec

SpartanDonut

Also, F12 in your browser is your best friend

Odds are an element next to it is using the space to the left

hasherr

Yeah, the first element has morgin-leftg set to 53%

It needs the space to seperate from the site title

But I'd like it so that when the screen size changes it just moves in towards the left

@SpartanDonut I messed it up

/logs/W3SVC1025

Where do I put my files?

SpartanDonut

uhhhh

You probably destroyed the web.config again?

hasherr

3:22 AM

I just deleted everything.

SpartanDonut

I don't exactly have the capacity to troubleshoot that this weekend though :(

1 sec

there should be a folder at the root called wwwroot

create that folder and put your stuff in there

i created it actually

put stuff in there and see if that works

hasherr

I uploaded the items, let's check

SpartanDonut

That was the best I had for as little attention as I can focus on it right now

Sorry buddy :(

hasherr

cries

Why don't you love me!

SpartanDonut

Collaborating with a bunch of people right now in person

hasherr

3:32 AM

It's cool, I'll just keep toying with it in vs

SpartanDonut

Sounds good

Good luck

hasherr

Oh that sounds importnat. you should focus on that.

Thanks, same to you.

SpartanDonut

It's not important... its a bunch of nerds not knowing how to come up with concrete details that I can program from

Anyway, ask stuff in chat and I'll see about answering / trying to point you in the right direction

hasherr

@SpartanDonut Thanks, but I think I'll go to bed. I have to get up relatively early.

SpartanDonut

Alright cool. Later dood.

hasherr

3:37 AM

See ya pal

SpartanDonut

Hell yes! Reboot of PC somehow magically makes UnityVS work now

hasherr

Reboot again, it doesn't work.

SpartanDonut

Oh god lets hope not

hasherr

only one way to find out

SpartanDonut

I'll find out on Sunday

When I bring my PC back home

hasherr

3:42 AM

You at a conference or something?

SpartanDonut

Just hanging out with friends who want to make a game

hasherr

Sounds like a disaster

waiting to happen

SpartanDonut

Pretty much lol

My brother was like "all right lets split up and work on stuff now!" I'm just like... uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

We've not actually designed anything to work on

hasherr

lol

SpartanDonut

So I'm letting them hash out the details

hasherr

3:44 AM

"Alright guys let's make a game!" "Hurray!" does freeze-frame group high five

5 minutes later: "So uh, what now?"

idk wanna go get pizza?

SpartanDonut

lol pretty much

this was just an excuse to put a shit tons of pcs in the same room and eat junk food

hasherr

Glorified LAN party

SpartanDonut

Haha pretty much

hasherr

I need to clean my machine...

The 3 vents on the bottom front are super dusty

SpartanDonut

My case keeps the insides pretty clean it makes me happy. Need to clean some fans / vents and whatnot but the internals are looking good

@IcyDefiance how the hell is your friday night man?

hasherr

3:46 AM

Thinking about getting a new heatsink anyways, might just replace that and clean it then

SpartanDonut

The heatsink I bought didn't fit in my new case lol

Stock cooling seems to be doing well though

hasherr

lol!

My stock cooling is fine, but I'm pretty sure it's the loudest thing ever

I just want something quieter

SpartanDonut

I think this concept is pretty cool - gizmodo.com.au/2014/07/…

GPU is an issue there though

hasherr

Why's a GPU an issue?

SpartanDonut

I don't think it has a high end gaming gpu in it

PsychO PhobiA

3:52 AM

Hi all

SpartanDonut

If there was an all in one package that did that with a nice gaming GPU I'd get one

@PsychOPhobiA hey you

PsychO PhobiA

@SpartanDonut Man I am going into a crush mode

SpartanDonut

I don't know what that means

Chris

I use a straw and blow out my computer's dust lol

PsychO PhobiA

@SpartanDonut Really?

hasherr

3:53 AM

@Chris Canned air :P

Chris

@hasherr lungged air!

hasherr

sighs

Chris

:p

PsychO PhobiA

Boy is it me or am I feeling very emotional for some reason

hasherr

It's definitely you. Teenage hormones and such.

SpartanDonut

3:55 AM

I hate hormones

hasherr

lol why does that not suprise me

Mr. Monotone over here hates hormones, WHJAT A SHOCK

Chris

lol

SpartanDonut

lol wut

Mr. Monotone?

hasherr

Yeah that's you. I always thought your voice was very monotone.

PsychO PhobiA

Monnotone?

SpartanDonut

3:57 AM

If you are referring to our gaming, Playing at night I tend to try to be quiet to not wake other people :P

hasherr

Do you live in a building or something?

SpartanDonut

I live with my mother in law

hasherr

Ah

I always forget that you're married.

SpartanDonut

lol yeaaah

Icy Defiance

4:25 AM

reappears

@SpartanDonut just playing endless games of LoL. mostly losing.

hasherr

4:53 AM

Am I wrong for wanting to snitch on my shitty coworker for all the shit he gets away with?

SpartanDonut

What kind of shit?

hasherr

reddit.com/r/amiwrong/comments/2ceg9y/…

I'm going to be honest, I've had some drinks so it's a little bit energetic.

SpartanDonut

Snitching is not really wrong

It might get you a repuatation though is the balance you have to strike

Closing up shop hours early, especially since he's likely getting paid for it, is wrong.

That's essentially stealing from the company

I don't know if I give a shit about the dog unless there are some health code issues

hasherr

Honestly the dog isn't huge, it's just a show of how he thinks.

SpartanDonut

5:10 AM

Also, you shouldn't drink ;)

hasherr

I didn't say what I was drinking.

SpartanDonut

This is true

hasherr

Let's just say it's 'caffeine'

SpartanDonut

I kind of assume they are caffeinated beverages but no one says it like that so I can't be certain

hasherr

It's not caffeine. :P

It's what you initially thought it was lol

SpartanDonut

5:11 AM

I know

You shouldn't drink

hasherr

Eh. At a friends house and his dad is cool. Might as well have some fun, just not too much.

@SpartanDonut Why not?

Chris

5:43 AM

Drinking responsibly is okay

just need to fix a couple of little bugs, almost ready

MLM

I am excited to try it out!

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Looks awesome Chris :P

Chris

:D
it is frantic fun, small decisions to be made with loot, being able to jump in front of your teammate and block attacks if they're stunned, fun co-op when someone has the stealth dagger and wants to initiate, and of course fun times with the katana

and the pressure when your mate's fallen and you have to revive them, but you're on low health yourself so every move is critical hehe

SpartanDonut

@hasherr Because you're underage

hasherr

@SpartanDonut According to what? US law?

SpartanDonut

5:50 AM

Yup

Certain laws allow minors to drink

hasherr

US law says all kinds of things. There are more pressing matters, i don't think anybody will really care if a sixteen year old has a few drinks, as long as they're responsible about it.

SpartanDonut

but there are reasons the laws are in place

hasherr

Of course, I can't speak for ALL sixteen year olds, just myself, but I try and be reasonable.

And if I'm not reasonable, then I know right away in the morning.

That hasn't happened so far.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Orr, you're like me, and don't get hangovers :P

hasherr

Being drunk doesn't sound too appealing to me. What's fun about not remembering a night?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

5:54 AM

What does being drunk have to do with not remembering?

Icy Defiance

well that's easy to fix. just drink some more so you don't remember that you don't remember that night. :D

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I have only ever had a lapse of memory once in my whole life.

And I was drunk beyond what was reasonable.

Just stick with having fun, and it's no problem.

user92578

@Chris That looks so awesome!

hasherr

@William'MindWorX'Mariager Memory loss is often a cause of being drunk isn't it?

user92578

Hey all!

hasherr

5:56 AM

Yeah Chris your game is super fun, me and my friend were playing it earlier.

We wanted to see who could get farther.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@hasherr No, that's a cause of drinking irresponsibly. You have to really push the limits to actually have memory loss. If your friends are telling you otherwise, they're likely just trying to sound cool or something. Drinking your way into memory loss is not an easy task. :P

hasherr

Ah, thanks for the info. I didn't know.

Anyways, I'm going to go watch GoT with my friend, see you guys tomorrow.

MickLH

@William'MindWorX'Mariager for the win

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@MickLH It's a pretty handy trait :P

Though I only use it like once a year. It's pretty rare for me to be drinking.

MickLH

lol its dangerous for me, I could stupidly drink ridiculous until blackout and then not even realize I blacked out the night before until I ask myself what happened the night before

I'm stuck in the bay area right now with my girlfriend

its looking like we're gonna catch a greyhound lol

be back tomorrow probably, peace

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

7:30 AM

I sometimes wonder what controls what VS allows you to create as new items in a project.

Like, in an XNA project, I can't create new WPF windows.

Only WPF controls.

user92578

7:48 AM

Made a blog post of my current project: classnonetype.blogspot.fi/2014/08/gunhero.html

user92578

(Tell me if it's stupid or makes no sense)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Looks good. It's a good thing to keep around when doing other projects. Looking back of previous mistakes will help you avoid them next time around. :)

Chris

Aye, very cool, thanks for sharing!

The needing 6 files thing sounds annoying :((

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Yeah, ECS is pretty great, but takes some space.

PsychO PhobiA

10:04 AM

I am writing an ebook for the first time

Although I am having one heck of a time trying to figure out where to start

user92578

Hey @PsychOPhobiA

PsychO PhobiA

@Tyyppi_77 Hi

@Tyyppi_77 How are u?

user92578

Doing great, wrote a blog post today and now I'm about to head for a picnic

PsychO PhobiA

10:20 AM

YOu have a GF now?

user92578

2:11 PM

@PsychOPhobiA What? Where did you get that?

user92578

3:25 PM

I'm testing Lua Scripting in C++

user92578

It's quite cool

user92578

Actually I haven't got to the C++ part yet... it's all C so far

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

3:42 PM

I don't like Lua.

I can't put my finger on exactly what I don't like, but I don't like it.

Lasse

back when I tried lua with c++, I had huge problems getting classes to work

I wonder if it's nowdays easier

ClassicThunder

4:14 PM

Anyone here use IntelliJ?

joapet99

I do

I have at least

ClassicThunder

I'm trying to figure the project management out. I want to break my current project into multiple projects and be able to control the build order. Same along how VS lets you have a solution with multiple projects.

joapet99

Hm I haven't used it that much to know advanced things liek that

ClassicThunder

Oh well. I like IntelliJ as a code editor a lot. Find the project management pretty intuitive so far though.

user92578

4:46 PM

So what is scripted in games?

user92578

(sorry for a broad question)

ClassicThunder

Its chat, no problem with that. Most of the times I've seen it used are for data and AI.

lol Sorry for the equally broad answer.

Lasse

scripting can be used in almost anything, from game mechanics to world event scripting and configurations

user92578

@ClassicThunder Its chat, no problem with that.

Almo

5:44 PM

any C# guys around?

ClassicThunder

Yup

Kevin van der Velden

For another 5 minutes or so =p

Almo

ok

we're having memory fragmentation problems

it's a golf game

so one potential solution would be to make a second heap for allocations during a level

then clean out that heap entirely before starting the next level

can you make a second heap and tell it to use that?

Kevin van der Velden

Eh I doubt it, don't know

Almo

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/…

would that be it?

Kevin van der Velden

5:48 PM

You can put some stuff on the stack by making them structs

heyo

oh that's win api

Jeah exactly

many things we work with can't be structs because our iOS serializer won't work with structs.

Kevin van der Velden

Anyway, I'm off

ClassicThunder

5:49 PM

I'm not sure how you are having memory fragmentation issues? The GC moves things around in memory when it gets run to remove gaps.

Almo

bye

not on iOS in Unity

it uses the Mono 2.6 Boehm GC, which doesn't move things

so we're having serious issues

discontinuously.com/2012/02/…

No sign of Unity updating this until sometime in the 5.x cycle

ClassicThunder

So you want something like this blogs.msdn.com/b/calvin_hsia/archive/2010/05/30/10017430.aspx?

I would think that InteropServices would make it platform specific to windows though.

In fact I think you can get to customizing how the memory management works without binding your app to OS level code.

Also of interest blogs.msdn.com/b/calvin_hsia/archive/2010/06/25/…

Icy Defiance

6:07 PM

I don't think InteropServices is restricted to Windows, because Unity uses Mono. the specific way you use the services might be different, though, like in this (unrelated) example: mono-project.com/Interop_with_Native_Libraries

no idea how to solve Almo's problem though

ClassicThunder

No it isn't but if what you are interoping with is restricted to windows then now you are too.

Ex xnagui.codeplex.com/SourceControl/changeset/…

Hey @Grey

Hey hows it going?

fine

I'm tieing into user32 and Imm32 which are windows services.

joapet99

6:12 PM

except almost drowning in a new big project

Icy Defiance

odd, I tried tying into user32 once to bypass xna's shitty polling input, and it was pretty slow. like just moving the mouse was jerky and annoying. I wonder what I did wrong...

doesn't really matter. MLM showed me nuclex and I started using that instead.

Grey

@joapet99 heh

Almo

@ClassicThunder yeah that's my worry too

ClassicThunder

I now use bitbucket.org/ClassicThunder/ruminate-gui/src/… for handling input

Its monogame safe in so far as monogame actually fkn works

so Mac + Windows but the mousewheel is bugged out on Linux

Grey

6:44 PM

that moment when you're using NetConn's as your key and are testing locally. -> Cannot has same key pls

If I want to send an Obj across the "wire", I would have to break it down into bits, and then use a BinaryReader on the other end I'd imagine?

Aidan Mueller

Grey

oh dear

exactly how I feel when using lidgren

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I made a small item transport thingy to try out my WPF/XNA hybrid. dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/992656/YeOldeFactory.1.zip

It outperforms any solution I've tried so far. It's a bit of a hack, but it's the best option there is.

Even the last attempt I made, which I thought was effective, is nothing compared to this.

ClassicThunder

BTW I asked a question over on SO if anyone can help

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Q: How to use Kotlin anonymous classes as arguments for native JavaScript Functions?

I am setting up the interop layer for this ThreeJS class and the constructor of the class takes in a object which is used to set the properties. //PointCloudMaterial.js THREE.PointCloudMaterial = function ( parameters ) { THREE.Material.call( this ); this.color = new THREE.Color( 0...

joapet99

7:17 PM

@Grey do you have knowledge about making images of creatures that don't exist

Aidan Mueller

@ClassicThunder You're using THREE.js?

What do you think of it?

I personally thought it was ok.

ClassicThunder

I like it a lot. Its a clean and simple abstraction over pretty much everything WebGL/Canvas can do.

Don't like JS but that's why I'm using Kotlin compiled to JS

Aidan Mueller

@ClassicThunder Why don't you like JS?

ClassicThunder

I like prefer statically typed languages. I like a proper class/inheritance system over prototyping. JS has no proper module/package system. Kotlin/C# ect.. are much more expressive. The scoping of "this" is confusing at times.

Icy Defiance

7:34 PM

I just dislike JS because it's totally crazy. Like C++ is known for forcing people to learn about hundreds of niche cases and random things where the code behaves completely differently from what you would expect. Take that, make it 10x as bad, and replace all of C++'s totally descriptive error messages with NaN, and you have JS.

ClassicThunder

One day I hope browsers will use a sandboxed VM instead of any particular language.

At this rate no is going to use JS anyways they are giong to use Scala, Kotlin, CoffieScript, etc... and simply treat JS as a platform.

Grey

@joapet99 ?

joapet99

7:59 PM

@Grey You know, for troe I need a race image for each of the 3 races. I am not good at making game art, I can just make really simple drawings. I thought maybe you had a teqnique for drawing creatures or if you want to you can make the race images. I have made they based on the 7 deadly sins. You can see the stats for each race here: docs.google.com/document/d/…

Grey

I don't know if I'm good with creatures :v

Creatures = Anatomy study

(the really good drawings at least)

joapet99

I don't think they need to be very complicated though

@Grey and you can make creatures. Remember that giralion you made?

Grey

haha okay. I'll give it a try

When do you need them?

joapet99

No deadline :P take the time you need

Grey

(doing omniaudio prog right now btw)

@joapet99 Okay give me a few days and you should have them by 8/4

joapet99

8:21 PM

@Grey what is a omniaudio prog

Asad Hasan

Does anyone have any thoughts on using apache mahout for machine learning with game development, are there any alternatives.

Icy Defiance

not many of the regulars here have touched machine learning. don't think anyone online right now has.

I'd love to try it sometime, but I haven't yet

Asad Hasan

ok, just fishing...yeah its a spooky fit for a game imo

Grey

8:59 PM

realizes the importance of seralizable classes

The NetConnection class in Lidgren isn't seralizable so, I ended up changing the structure of ClientDialog(rightfully so, because it makes no sense to use two connections between two computers as a key.) to use an IPEndPoint as a key, for removing/adding and checking for duplicate. o/

Aidan Mueller

How do they plan on landing this thing?

I mean, I would just strap two rockets on the side, but that only works in KSP.

Big parachute?

That wouldn't work on the moon though.

Grey

but some "thrusters" on each side of the vehicle.

and leave the balancing to the pilots

works in lunar lander

which means it works irl

Aidan Mueller

Well yeah, I suppose skycrane would be your best bet.

Though I think they would most likely assemble it on the moon.

Asad Hasan

9:15 PM

I prefer using ORM for persistence to avoid serialization issues. Tho that comes at a cost of an object orientation impedance mismatch.

Aidan Mueller

@Grey All you would really need is two thrusters. You'd just need to put them at the center of mass.

What exactly is serialization?

Icy Defiance

serialization is just the process of converting data from one format to another. you can serialize a C# object to json for example.

Grey

"In computer science, in the context of data storage, serialization is the process of translating data structures or object state into a format that can be stored (for example, in a file or memory buffer, or transmitted across a network connection link) and reconstructed later in the same or another computer environment."

Wikipedia yo

Aidan Mueller

@Grey Sometimes I run my mouth before I run my search :P

Icy Defiance

"that can be stored" - didn't think of it that way, but yeah, that must be right. and deserialization is when you load it back into the program.

Aidan Mueller

9:18 PM

Bad habbit, NSFW.

Icy Defiance

okay MVC with ASP.NET is fucking crazy

Grey

\o/

Icy Defiance

like I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing. nothing makes sense anymore. :'(

Grey

@SpartanDonut send help

Icy Defiance

ALL MY C# KNOWLEDGE IS A LIE

Grey

9:19 PM

@IcyDefiance I'm in the same boat

Aidan Mueller

Is this pre-serialized?

Grey

This is an object in it's natural state

Seralization occurs when enzymes in your saliva break down the compound.

lol

@AidanMueller Who eats fruit loops :v

blegrh

Aidan Mueller

@Grey They actually taste kind of good. But I don't ever buy them.

Icy Defiance

there's a dynamic variable called ViewBag, and it doesn't have properties until you say 'ViewBag.Message = "Message text";' and then instead of throwing an exception IT ADDS A PROPERTY CALLED MESSAGE!

C# doesn't do that! it's black magic I tell you!

Grey

@IcyDefiance Huheuhehu. Have you looked at Razor yet?

<b>@ViewBag.Exclamation</b>

Aidan Mueller

9:24 PM

@IcyDefiance That sounds kind of retarded.

Grey

@{
    ViewBag.Title = "Server Listings";
    //var db = Database.Open("Servers");
    //var selectedData = db.Query("SELECT * FROM Servers");
    var grid = new WebGrid(source: Model,rowsPerPage: 20);

}

Aidan Mueller

Wait, this is for what now?

Grey

Within the CSHTML

CS+HTML and ViewBag with Razor Syntax is very cool. You don't even need to JS

Icy Defiance

is that what it's called? Razor? that works.

Grey

I will go so far as to say.. YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO JQUERY

Icy Defiance

9:26 PM

I'm just trying to figure out the best way to pull a list of links from the database and display them on the page

Aidan Mueller

If I ever write a language, it will support stuff like this:

make(a_game that: has better graphics than crysis, has the world's best gameplay, is pretty much just the most awesome thing on earth, yeah that's pretty much it)

Grey

Icy Defiance

tutorials have me creating classes inheriting from DbContext and then they somehow populate with data with magic or some crazy shit like that. I don't understand any of it.

Aidan Mueller

@MartinSojka Why does it seem like you never post anything here?

It feels as though you are just always watching, silently, not saying anything.

Grey

@IcyDefiance Thats the way to do it

@IcyDefiance "DefaultConnection" check your Web.config

Asad Hasan

9:30 PM

A NoSQL solution is very responsive, look in to redis: redis.io ... and no object-relational impedance mismatch like the regular dbs.

@grey

Grey

woah. this looks cool @AsadHasan

Aidan Mueller

Whining Room

This room is for whining in. All manner of QQ will be tolerated.

Grey

XD

Aidan Mueller

@Grey You should join me there.

LEL

in In Praise of Moderators on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, Apr 20 at 1:20, by Pëkka

A moderator had to be forcibly removed from a Virginia middle school's schoolyard after shutting down a group of third-graders' game of 20 questions - because "it's unclear what you're asking".

Grey

@AsadHasan You look like you know a lot about Network Programming. Any links a beginner like me should read(or books)?

Whining Room

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