Game Development

SpartanDonut

8:00 PM

Yeah UI and the scenario josh describes is the only place I like types as part of the name

And in the case of UI its because the type often describes what it is very well

Not because I have a standard

joapet99

spartan, why is your name in italic font?

SpartanDonut

I bought this style with Unicoins

Jon

he's italian

Icy Defiance

both of these answers make perfect sense...

SpartanDonut

Well being italian was the motivation for the purchase, obviously.

Almo

8:04 PM

@IcyDefiance thanks for that link. interesting

Ali.S

@SpartanDonut congrats...

SpartanDonut

@Ali.S thanks

I think...

Ali.S

@SpartanDonut I was talking about becoming room owner, at least I just noticed it

androidmaster

Hey, i got the plugins and stuff

Doesnt work for local variables

Before without any of that stuff, I could do the stuff with global variables but now I just have a few added features and perspectives :(

user4704

@Ali.S Long time ago.

Almo

8:09 PM

we got a bash wizard here?

SpartanDonut

Feels like forever

Almo

pastebin.com/kyaum9v2

I'm trying to make sense of this piece of a script

and I don't get the

androidmaster

i dont know bash :(

Almo

	    removeList=($siblings)
	    unset removeList[${#removeList[@]}-1]

part

I know basic bashing, but this is just weird

the # and @ confuse me

looks like it might be removing the last element, but given the logic of the loop, I don't quite see why it would do that

Ali.S

I think it's avoiding the first element

or maybe the last, but the thing is, I think that siblings also matches the original file

so in order to keep at least one of those siblings alive, it's removing one of them from that list

Almo

8:13 PM

these are files that get incrementing version numbers in their filenames

maybe it just wants to keep the most recent

so later it can add 1

I'll look for that

erebel55

lo

Ali.S

hey guys, should we buy transistor? it's 33% off till aug4

hasherr

I'm finally going to work on my site again.

Jon

whistle while you work

Almo

Hitler is a jerk
Mussolini broke his weenie
Now it doesn't work

hasherr

8:22 PM

wtf

Almo

@Ali.S Did a test; it's removing the last element from the array, and deleting the rest.

#removeList[@] is apparently the number of elements in the array

Ali.S

@Almo so it's just as we expected, it's deleting all the versions expect the last one

Almo

yup

:)

bash is some cryptic shit

Ali.S

it sure is

Icy Defiance

In a sharp and sudden reversal, the CIA is acknowledging it improperly tapped into the computers of Senate staffers who were reviewing the intelligence agency’s Bush-era torture practices. nationaljournal.com/tech/…

(by "improperly" they mean illegally)

hasherr

8:33 PM

Hmm... might just redo my site from scratch...

I don't remember any of my ASP

And the page doesn't scale well, that can't be easy to fix.

Icy Defiance

from the reddit comments for that article, "Interesting timing. CIA drops this just as Congress is beginning its 5-week vacation. By the time they return in September, there won't be time or urgency enough to investigate."

hasherr

Vacation?

Aren't they always on their fucking vacation?

I'm so sick of congress's shit, I don't even want to hear about them anymore unless they do something worthwhile.

Icy Defiance

well, the FCC sent a stern letter to Verizon about them throttling customers with unlimited data plans. that's (kind of) good news.

joapet99

Hey @hasherr

hasherr

@IcyDefiance The netflix thing?

It shows the FCC cares, but they can't do a damn thing about it, not with the current regulations.

Icy Defiance

8:45 PM

no, this was about mobile plans

the FCC can do something about the netflix thing by classifying ISP's as common carriers

hasherr

Common carriers? What does that entail?

Noctrine

That kind of thing is actually pretty close to the FCCs actual reason for, well, existing.

Much more so than the morality based stuff that they've been concerned with recently.

Icy Defiance

being a common carrier means you're not allowed to interfere with or block any signals. you can only carry it from one place to another.

phone service providers are classified as common carriers, for example

Noctrine

The FCC won't do that though. The lobby power of the cable companies is too strong.

SpartanDonut

I hate politics

I don't pay attention and when I do it just makes me grumpy

hasherr

8:48 PM

Sometimes it's important to though.

Noctrine

The cable companies would have to essentially be so terrible and do something so terrible that the only action they can take is against them.

And even then, still risky political-career wise

hasherr

Would you say starting an ologopolistic empire is terrible enough?

I would.

Noctrine

The general public doesn't care

SpartanDonut

I really hate lobbying

And money in politics in general

Noctrine

Which is what makes them politically dangerous adversaries

Icy Defiance

8:50 PM

and even if the public did care, FCC members are appointed by the president and serve 5 year terms. Wheeler was just appointed last year, so the public still has another 4 years to forget about this whole thing.

Noctrine

They lobby for politicians in public, and they have the budget in advertising and marketing to effectively move the general populace.

So the FCC would work against the companies, but then the companies would use everyone to work against targeted people in the FCC.

Icy Defiance

what we really need to do is get google and other big companies on our side again, like with SOPA

hasherr

Aren't they still on our side?

Icy Defiance

congress changed sides really damn fast after google used a black logo and wikipedia blacked out their site

Noctrine

Appointed by the president, and confirmed by the senate.

@IcyDefiance Hard to fight against the public pressure that creates.

SpartanDonut

8:53 PM

@IcyDefiance My opinion is the fact that something like this is necessary is stupid

Noctrine

That's like why, with all the talk being generated about impeaching Obama. No one will actually go through the motions, because without real things behind it - it could be political suicide.

Icy Defiance

aye

hasherr

> In May 2014 over 100 internet companies including Google, Microsoft, eBay, and Facebook signed a letter to Wheeler voicing their disagreement with his plans, saying they represented a "grave threat to the Internet".

I still think they're on our side.

Icy Defiance

oh so google and facebook did join that petition. I'm slightly more hopeful now.

hasherr

And Google is hilarious in the ways that they handle shit like this.

Icy Defiance

8:54 PM

I thought reddit and Mozilla were the biggest ones.

user4704

Nobody is ever going to compete against the lobby groups with stupid reactionary bullshit like the SOPA blackout.

hasherr

The reason they made Fiber is to get the ISPs off their ass and to deliver more quality internet.

user4704

It will work a handful of times, and then it stop working.

hasherr

I still don't understand SOPA. Things are fine, why is it necessary? Do the people who wrote that bill realize what it entails?

user4704

It is unfortunately a "fight fire with fire" kind of situation (where "fire" is "money" in this case). The anti-neutrality advocacy groups have been funneling money into their causes for years and years.

Icy Defiance

8:55 PM

it won't stop working entirely. you can still get 100k signatures in a day just by saying "cispa is back!"

I think another blackout will be just as effective as the first

Noctrine

Signatures and petitions are effectively useless, in nearly all cases they are used.

Icy Defiance

right, I just said that because it shows plenty of people are still interested

user4704

Yeah but signatures on petitions aren't necessarily that important. If those signatures don't come from a significant source of actual income, who cares?

SpartanDonut

There was a link to some site... (so vague I know) that I think I saw on facebook

user4704

People are certainly interested -- but are they interested enough to actually commit money to the cause?

user4704

8:57 PM

(My impression is "no.")

Noctrine

Or significantly region locked, and by people who are actually of voting age, and by a large enough portion of that regional population.

SpartanDonut

Some political campaign you could donate money towards where they would selectively pick proper candidates to get better legislation in place against the lobbying power I think it was

Icy Defiance

@JoshPetrie yes. EFF gets a lot of donations. the problem is, no one has the kind of money these giant corporations do.

user4704

Wikipedia and such can blackout their website all they want. If they want to be effective players, they will eventually need to spend money. As would Google. And Google may be able to swing it but Wikipedia can barely keep itself afloat, so I doubt they'll be funding into lobby groups any time soon :(

Noctrine

Google does a ton of lobbying don't they?

user4704

8:58 PM

Yes, but not necessarily in favor of things you'd agree with.

Icy Defiance

spending money is effective, but not as effective as moving public opinion, which wikipedia can easily do.

user4704

And not for the same amount of time, simply by necessity (they aren't as old).

user4704

And individuals with the money and clout to pull it off are often off dealing with broader humanitarian issues (c.f. Bill Gates).

Noctrine

@IcyDefiance Only so much.

user4704

(Because who cares about net neutrality when we're all dead)

Icy Defiance

9:00 PM

all they have to do is put a bar on the top of their site saying "if pages load slowly, it's the FCC's fault"

Noctrine

Dangerous

Icy Defiance

like netflix is doing with verizon

Noctrine

Netflix has the capital to fight Verizon in court

Wikipedia decidedly does not

Almo

ISPs are common carriers. Dorkweeds.

very tired, not typing well

Icy Defiance

has verizon taken it to court? I thought they just sent a bunch of hilariously angry letters.

they certainly don't have any kind of case to make.

Noctrine

9:01 PM

Doesn't matter if you have a case or not.

Icy Defiance

right, that was a side point

Noctrine

Those angry letters are just the first step. Netflix can go "Oh yeah." to them, cause they've got some cash to fight it - and public backing and stuff.

Icy Defiance

even if these companies do have to pay for court cases, though, they'll end up paying a whole lot more to just stay online if net neutrality ends

netflix already is

well, net neutrality already ended, but it's still up for debate so ISP's can do much with it yet

Noctrine

It's good that these companies are so altruistic (ish, a lot of it is to protect what margins they've already carved out) in other situations you'd see incumbents happily voting for the end of it - because it'd make it ridiculously expensive for people to challenge them in the space.

Dread Pirate Peter

9:17 PM

sometimes, trying to write a turn based roguelike in an event-driven UI (like WPF) makes my head hurt

erebel55

anyone use photon here?

For some reason when I build my game with "fantastic" graphics quality my player has this horrible sliding effect over the network

which doesn't make sense to me

Dread Pirate Peter

I was doing a pretty good job of only accepting use input during their turn and I am totally derailed by trying to animate missile attacks.

erebel55

After the user lifts his finger, his character keeps sliding for a few seconds

user4704

@DreadPiratePeter Accept input all the time, just discard it if the game isn't in the right state.

user4704

(and if you are, for some reason, using standard controls and buttons, databind their enabled property to a Boolean in your viewmodel that indicates whether they can accept input or not)

erebel55

9:31 PM

I'm very confused as to why the graphics quality setting would affect this at all

SpartanDonut

@Grey had some input related problems with one of his games in Unity based on the quality setting chosen. I don't remember what came of that but I remember having problems picking the quality I chose and he never encountered it. Switching quality fixed it for me anyway. No network coding included =/

Maybe he'll show up sometime, see the ping, and give some ideas