Game Development

Alex M.

1:31 AM

'aight, so not many gothic fans here

I don't suppose anyone heard of or played Sacrifice?

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it's by Shiny, the guys behind earthworm jim and MDK

PythonInProgress

2:15 AM

Hey guys, on my tablet now :-P got these weird faces programmed in=-O

IMA tho to bed IFT no one is here :-P have fun guis

I mean if, stupid autocorrect. I also Mean go, not though. And stop capitalizing weird Things.... See everyone later

superjoe30

3:27 AM

hello

Shiester

heya

uploading a video of something WIP. just sort of excited that I managed to get it to work. hopefully it won't take too long (says 17 minutes at time of post) to upload.

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Shiester

3:51 AM

its up!

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

6:01 AM

@AlexM. I've played it a lot. Lovely game.

Kikaimaru

10:00 AM

does anyone know about place where i can get someone to make me a simple 3d model? :) Like maybe because he would like a game idea that i have? :)

@AlexM. great game :)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

10:38 AM

@Kikaimaru Open Game Art

They have forums and an irc channel.

But don't count on anyone doing it unless you have pretty good proof it's not going to waste.

Alex M.

2:55 PM

awesome! :D

back on my Pentium 3 I wasn't able to play all maps

for example, I'd be looking at a photo slideshow in Agothera

after discovering that if you waited long enough in the main menu pre-recorded multiplayer matches would show, I spent a long time watching those matches

Shiester

well good morning, lol.

Alex M.

mornin

Shiester

'sup with you?

Alex M.

need to buy food

brb

Shiester

aight, later.

Alex M.

4:23 PM

back

got some cheese ravioli and napoli sauce

let's get em done now

Code Assassin

4:46 PM

@IcyDefiance HEY GUI!

@AlexM. ^^ Herro. Didn't come on because I was on a train lol

On vacation. Train ride was rough :/

Loll

Alex M.

@CodeAssassin hiya :D

I love traveling by train

this summer holiday I'll visit the most important landmarks in Romania, and I'll go exclusively by train

last time I took the train though, it was not that enjoyable

there was this family, two old people and a ~8 yr old

I think they were his grandparents

god damn the kid was NOISY

and all the old people did was say to him stuff like "look at that little girl, she's behaving so nice"

GODDAMN YOU INCOMPETENT GRANDPARENTS

that's not how you make the kid shut up

that kid needed a beating

asap

he was jumping on his seat, on the table, yelling

Dan Hulme

"Now little Johnny, remember to use your train voice."
"OK, Gramma. WOO WOO! CHUFF-CHUFF-CHUFF-CHUFF!"

Alex M.

I secretly wished the train agent threw them out of the car while it was moving

on the other tracks

where another train was going to come

I had music going on near max volume in my earphones

and I was still hearing the brat

Dan Hulme

Did they do the "if you're not quiet the conductor is going to come and tell you off" act?

Alex M.

no

but I was ready to do it myself

Dan Hulme

4:55 PM

That one never fails

Alex M.

we had this awesome Romanian writer, whose specialty was theater and satirical prose

most of them made fun of such people

there are two texts by him that I really like

the first is exactly with such a spoiled brat in a train

and the other is about a dumb woman who'd get her annoying tiny dog in a train car

the dog kept on barking at the other passenger

and the woman didn't give a shit, further spoiling the dog

in the end the passenger (impersonation of the writer himself) threw the dog out the window

there are also satirical texts on politics and more, but I always felt these were closer to our daily life

for anyone curious, the writer's name is Ion Luca Caragiale (I. L. Caragiale)

Ion Luca Caragiale

Ion Luca Caragiale (; commonly referred to as I. L. Caragiale; – June 9, 1912) was a Wallachian-born Romanian playwright, short story writer, poet, theater manager, political commentator and journalist. He is considered one of the greatest Romanian playwrights and writers, a leading representative of local humor, and a main representative of Junimea, an influential literary society with which he parted during the second half of his life. Caragiale's work, spanning four decades, covers the ground between Neoclassicism, Realism, and Naturalism, building on an original synthesis of...

the english page is more detailed than the romanian page

never a good thing for a Romanian subject

his name is also one of the few generally accepted cacophonies in the Romanian language

LuCA CAragiale

Caca in Romanian means shit lol

Dan Hulme

5:28 PM

ah yes, we have a similar English satirical writer, Saki

he wrote a short story about two troublesome children in a train

Alex M.

I feel him

Dan Hulme

their mother or aunt (I forget which) tries to tell them a story to keep them quiet, but they aren't interested

so a stranger tells a story that they'll enjoy because it's immoral

Alex M.

in Caragiale's story there are three women with the kid, all of them relatives

and all of them feed the kid's need to mess stuff up

they also hide him from the conductor when the kid jumps and triggers the emergency stop

they've got the "my kid is better than all" mentality

Alex M.

5:58 PM

man I can't wait to get home to a real kitchen

the raviolis are still boiling after almost two hours :(

hey @AlexM.

hi

whats up?

6 mins ago, by Alex M.

the raviolis are still boiling after almost two hours :(

this

PythonInProgress

wow

still?

Alex M.

6:05 PM

only 8 minutes passed since

PythonInProgress

sheesh

that is tough

Hola @Kikaimaru

Kikaimaru

@William'MindWorX'Mariager well someone did it without any proof, after all it was just 3 boxed :)

@PythonInProgress hi

PythonInProgress

@Kikaimaru Como estas?

u speak spanish?

Kikaimaru

@PythonInProgress Ujde to, a jak se máš ty?

do you speak czech?

... :)

PythonInProgress

nope :P

Kikaimaru

6:07 PM

then lets not divert from common language :)

PythonInProgress

Hablo Inglés, aunque

lol

@Kikaimaru sure

soo. any projects?

Kikaimaru

yeah, like 3 or 4 games, none of which i intend to finish :)

Alex M.

sounds like PythonInProgress there alright

PythonInProgress

what are they about? and what languages are they in?

lols i do this to everyone

Alex M.

you two should become best friends

PythonInProgress

6:10 PM

:P @AlexM. shut up

jk

Alex M.

good

because I don't intend to

PythonInProgress

LOLS

Kikaimaru

@PythonInProgress mmorpg in typescript, casual multiplaye game in typescript, programming RTS in C#

PythonInProgress

C# FTW

Kikaimaru

stupid blender crashes when i try to export something to collada, how awesome

PythonInProgress

6:11 PM

lols. i hate blender but have to use it for unity meshes

never used collada though

Alex M.

@Kikaimaru have you tried another plugin?

PythonInProgress

afk brb

Kikaimaru

@AlexM. i was hoping that the one that is in blender would work

Alex M.

you can also write your own Python code to do the collada export, and make the whole community happy :P

@Kikaimaru ah, then just try another plugin from the web

there are lots of conversion plugins out there

PythonInProgress

that is soo happening.... jk

really though, it has a SLIM chance of happening

Alex M.

6:13 PM

I wasn't talking to you

Kikaimaru

if i'll write plugin for blender it will export to my format :)

Alex M.

even more awesome :D

PythonInProgress

lols does he do python too?

i didnt hear him say

Kikaimaru

if i didnt spent whole day writing collada importer to my game i would use md5...

PythonInProgress

:P

Alex M.

6:17 PM

one more assignment to go and then it'll be just exams, finally

I have to plan, document and implement a multimap on a hashtable

good thing is, I can choose any language, so I'll go with C# to boost things up

now I also noticed the grading system

with that 10/10 in the first exam, it's hard for me to fail

but it would be a shame to get less than 8.5 in the end :(

pasta's done

bon appetit!

PythonInProgress

see u Alex!

I have ENGLISH to do still, an oral report..... sucks for me!

Kikaimaru

thats what she said

PythonInProgress

and its Sunday already, due tuesday..... Urrrr

@Kikaimaru wow. just wow

Alex M.

@PythonInProgress nah, partied to soon

I'll leave them for 10 mins more

PythonInProgress

@AlexM. lol.

Alex M.

6:35 PM

welcome to...

toolbar hell!

population: too many

PythonInProgress

holy..... thats why i hate IE, at least one of the reasons

Alex M.

all browsers accept toolbars

Dan Hulme

6:53 PM

all desktop browsers, you mean

Alex M.

give them time

I guess pasta's one more thing I can't do here

I pre-boiled the water in a coffee water boiler but my kitchen range just can't reach 100 degrees c

even on max

the pasta was half-made only :(

a ruined meal :(

SpicyWeenie

7:10 PM

anyone worked with Irrlicht?

Alex M.

I gave it a try but hardly worked with it

the licensing on it and the editors turned me off

I switched to Ogre

and then finally to Unity

SpicyWeenie

It's all free now for personal and commercial use. They got rid of the price tag

Alex M.

even for the editor?

SpicyWeenie

I dont think that is yet, but Im not sure

Alex M.

without the editor, irrlicht requires you to code everything

which makes it fail in comparison to Ogre and other similar engines

which are more feature-rich

I might still give it a try later

might be fun, and it's another learned thing :)

SpicyWeenie

7:17 PM

Its a bit more simple to get a basic world going, but there arent enough documentation/examples on creating a 3rd person camera

Raven Dreamer

Whee, coroutines!

Gajoo

@AlexM. Ogre is ugly, just like an Ogre

Alex M.

I found it nice back then

irrlicht.sourceforge.net/docu/example006.html

there is a certain niceness to irrlicht though, I'm going to give it that

probably that's the reason it got me to try it in the first place

Kikaimaru

oh i think i found game with even worse code then miner wars, the colobot gold!

SpicyWeenie

@AlexM. My problem is keeping the camera pointing on a target when the camera moves

Alex M.

7:32 PM

are you doing the rotation by hand?

i.e. matrix multiplication by hand

Kikaimaru

isnt there something like matrix.createlookat(position, target)? :)

Alex M.

if you are doing it by hand you need to:

1) Establish a point which will be used for rotation (you rotate the camera with respect to that point)

2) Get that point to the origin O(0,0,0) by translating it there

3) Apply the rotation by N degrees

4) Get the point back where it first was

you multiply the matrices in the order 4) * 3) * 2)

you multiply the resulting transformation matrix with whatever structure you're using with the camera

but as Kikaimaru said, I am sure there's something easier already in the engine

SpicyWeenie

@AlexM. trying to figure out how to do either or, but there arent in tutorials in this area for it

Alex M.

this might help

irrlicht.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22114

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@JohnMcDonald, You around?

John McDonald

7:38 PM

Yeah, sup MindWorX?

Gajoo

how come no one is ever looking for me :(

Alex M.

@Gajoo I've been looking for you once

Gajoo

once is never enough...

Alex M.

I'll look for you now if you want

Gajoo

quoted, skeleton king, dota2

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

7:40 PM

@JohnMcDonald Got a link to your web version of your interface? You know the test thing? I'm trying to sell Awesomium to someone. :P

Kikaimaru

anyone has spare robot model with robotic arm? :)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Kikaimaru I do.

Alex M.

was the skeleton king also in the first dota?

John McDonald

@William'MindWorX'Mariager jcpmcdonald.com/AOScreens/HUD.html

Alex M.

I don't play dota

but if it was a copy of King Leoric, then I've lost even the 1% respect I had for the game

Gajoo

7:41 PM

@AlexM. he was called skeleton king back then too!

Kikaimaru

@William'MindWorX'Mariager can you send it to me, pretty please? :) preferably in some reasonable format :)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@JohnMcDonald Thanks. <3

@Kikaimaru It's very very slow. :P

Ohhh... Model... I missed that. :P

Kikaimaru

@William'MindWorX'Mariager :)

Gajoo

@AlexM. he also had that name, don't know if they really shared same model though.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I have an actual robotic arm that can manipulate things, controllable with an Arduino or simliar. :P

Kikaimaru

7:42 PM

@William'MindWorX'Mariager and do you have 3d scanner? :)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I do not. :P

Alex M.

king leoric is awesome

I remember the first time I played diablo I did not get to have the entrance to his tomb on lvl 3

but on my second playthrough I had it

for a hack and slash Diablo 1 had a very grim and exciting story

I loved to hear how people got corrupted, from Leoric to his son and Archbishop Lazarus

Raven Dreamer

Blizzard is good at world building.

Blizzard is utter crap at story telling.

Alex M.

they got it right with Diablo 1, Warcraft and Diablo 2 to some extent

Raven Dreamer

I do not disagree with you.

Though, perhaps, you should clarify Warcraft?

the RTS, or MMORPG?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

7:48 PM

Warcraft would have to be the RTS.

The MMORPG is called World of Warcraft. :P

Alex M.

RTS, although when I played TBC I really liked to follow what happens and stuff

I'm not sure if I'd like WoTLK for any reason other than Arthas

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I think the MMO has plenty of great story. Especially the last two expansions.

So much happening. Not even the low-levels are left alone.

Alex M.

actually I lie, when I played TBC I liked to follow my blood elf's ass

Dan Hulme

@AlexM. Agreed. I think the story-telling is one of the most important parts of a game.

Raven Dreamer

Can't speak for it, since I haven't played since Wrath.

There are, however, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many retcons.

Alex M.

7:49 PM

though let's not forget

Raven Dreamer

And for a while.

Alex M.

Blizzard's Warcraft universe is exciting just because of Warhammer

Warcraft 1 was supposed to be a Warhammer RTS

PythonInProgress

lots on right now!

Raven Dreamer

Blizzard was on a, "Let's kill all named enemies from our previous games... because then we don't have to think up any new names!"

Alex M.

Starcraft smells of Warhammer 40k too

PythonInProgress

7:50 PM

@William'MindWorX'Mariager hows the game goin?

Alex M.

Blizzard's got the marketing though

so Warhammer will always be < Warcraft

user11177

what's the right board on stackexchange to ask about building a computer?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@PythonInProgress Forward. :P

@user11177 SuperUser perhaps?

Raven Dreamer

@user11177 Super user is closest. I might also suggest reddit.com/r/buildapc

Alex M.

I always thought SuperUser was for UNIX enthusiasts

user11177

7:52 PM

superuser seems mostly software oriented

PythonInProgress

@William'MindWorX'Mariager definantly good. whats new on it?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@PythonInProgress Just working on an outline to create a todo list.

Keeps me focused.

user11177

I want to ask about the hardware stuffs

Raven Dreamer

@user11177 What specifically?

PythonInProgress

@William'MindWorX'Mariager good. can i add something?

Raven Dreamer

7:53 PM

Heck, we might be able to help you in chat alone!

user11177

I want to make a small linux box to use as a server

Alex M.

you've got my attention

listens

user11177

with a max euro limit of 300

Shiester

hey guys, i got mah frend here and he's talkin bout makin models and stuff. he thinks computers can be more smarter than people like you and me can be. what say you to him tell him he's not as smart as the machine knows it is

Alex M.

that would be too localized and closed automatically

so the chat is your best bet

PythonInProgress

7:54 PM

@PythonInProgress listens too

user11177

thats what I thought

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@PythonInProgress Take a look here. That's what I have so far. Feel free to give me some input. :)

The list of units and items is far from finished.

PythonInProgress