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12:00 AM
Yeah... then I'm not one to speak because I've never purchased a laptop
But I didn't have anything wrong with the 3 dells that were loaned to me
 
omgoodness this new mouse pad is so smooth compared to the make shift duct tape pad I created before :D
 
hahah, what? really?
 
Mousepads are for suckers.
 
Yeah I wanted a big mouse pad for my desk and the best I found was this kitchen mat from Walmart (should have looked online) so I covered the kitchen mat in duct tape
Now I bought a legit really big mouse pad
 
Pictures or it didn't happen
 
12:09 AM
just arrived today :D
 
I feel like I'm the only one on earth who just uses his desk.
 
I used to but I got annoyed playing games on this desk. Certain grooves (it's wood) really caused problems
 
I use my desk at work, but at home I use a metal mouse pad
 
Everyone I know has like thick... foam ones.
Perhaps Canada is weird
 
12:13 AM
nope >.>
 
Seems legit.
 
hahah, I was doing the same
wow
 
Pardon the awful quality. I didn't really care :P
 
hello!
 
12:14 AM
Lots of game equipment makers make these huge mouse pads it turns out. I liked the MLG design best without having to pick something game specific that would be irrelevant in 5 years.
 
Are we sharing desk pictures, now?
 
Had I known that's what was going on I might have tried to take a quality picture :P
Like... one without a yellow haze, for example.
 
Yeah, I actually won a HUMONGOUS mouse pad at some lan party, but gave it away because I thought it was too huge
 
12:18 AM
Work
 
I loved my duct tape pad at first. And then the more I used it the worse it inevitably got
This pad should last me much longer
 
:/ yeah
How is your mouse doing after the duct tape?
 
Really not bad. It's not that the pad got sticky, the tape actually has bubbled quite a bit since the first application
I seriously love my mouse though. I'm not sure I'd like a gaming mouse
 
I use an apple magic mouse at work </3
 
12:21 AM
The way my hand wraps around this mouse is just so good
 
Oh, I've used that mouse before.
 
It's a bit of a beast but I love it
 
See
What I hate about it is
You always hit those back buttons
The way your thumb is situated
 
I always intentionally hit those buttons :P
I've never accidentally hit any of the thumb buttons without really mashing the mouse more than I should (caught in the moment gaming for example)
but that's rarely happened
I just my thumb on the rest, not the side of the mouse
 
I dunno, my microsoft one is much more subtle so
 
12:25 AM
But where do you put your thumb? o_O
 
About midway through the mouse.
It's fine on mine, I use it intentionally all the time too :p
Habbit just kills it for me on the Logitech is all, they make a lot of their mouses that extreme
 
To each his own I suppose :D
 
Notice the groove on that guy
It's MUCH more subtle.
 
I get this feeling we don't hold our mice the same way
 
Probably not.
I put my thumb almost near on top of the back button
 
12:29 AM
How that groove bows back out looks uncomfortable to me where as the logitech it continues to curve around the back of the mouse. I dunno. I'd have to try it I guess :P
 
Just use whatever works. :P I need a new mouse eventually anyway,,, my hands love to kill by the end of a week.
 
1:16 AM
@ToddersLegrande Had one of those. Loved it except it was too heavy.
The whiz wheel is great on it
using a Razer Deathadder now
 
Ah yes. I love turning it off, flicking the wheel, and turning the lock back on
 
i had it set for auto unlock if it went fast enough.
whizzzzzzzzzzz stop.
fuckin great
 
I have no clue how to set that lol
Or you mean the deathadder?
 
yeah that
i mean
I had the MX Revolution Logitech set to autounlock if it spun fast enough
i use death adder now cause the MX was too heavy and hurt my wrist
 
Ah. Not quite the same mouse. I don't think I have the same capability
 
user30042
1:37 AM
I'm sure we got some oldies in here :)
 
user30042
Anyone ever remotely debug a .NET 2002 app from vs 2010 sucessfully and loaded the symbols from a remote location?
 
user30042
or am I just dreaming
 
I've only used VS2005 and newer
 
user30042
how about that situation
 
user30042
say 2008 to 2005
 
user30042
1:41 AM
lololol .net 2002 attach to process wont let me attach to the one the remote is... and it says unknown win32 debugger man
 
user30042
microsoft cant even figure there own debuggers out ;)
 
can't help ya
sorry
 
 
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9:50 AM
http://gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/55558/how-to-prevent-the-too-awesome-to-use-syndrome

this question has lot of answers :)
i remember even worse situation, in one Star Ocean game on snes, you could learn one skill that lowers amount of skill points required to learn other skills, but to max this skill you needed to be big level. So i never used any skill points until for big part of the game. and worst part is that if your level was too big, and your skill points overflowed 99 you lost them :)
 
 
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11:10 AM
@Kikaimaru Skills that give more skills tend to be that way.
They'll force you to delay your actual skills to have the biggest gain.
It can work in some games, but it's a careful skill to implement.
 
11:27 AM
@JohnMcDonald <3 that
 
12:17 PM
wow man that was annoying. I wonder why it worked in debug but not release... it was an alignment issue on the ARM processor.
@riekistyx I've debugged BASIC on a C64...
 
1:01 PM
 
I'm curious about the work at night/during morning thing
and what effect the generation part actually has
I too am more productive at night
 
1:18 PM
You're telling me
I just pulled an all-nighter to get my Senior Design project back on track.
The only problem is, I have places to be today, and things to get done... I feel exhausted...
 
no all-nighters here
max productivity for me is around ~1:30AM
after 3 AM it goes down
so it becomes pointless to tackle difficult tasks
I normally go to bed at that hour
 
argh!!!!
drop shadow on GIMP gives an error
every time I get unstuck i get stuck again
 
@Almo is there a piece of software that actually works well for you? :D
 
League of Legends.
OS X, except for the whole mouse acceleration BS
bash :)
 
though I feel your pain, I can't sharpen for more than half in GIMP w/o plugin crash
 
1:22 PM
people who say open source is the way to go haven't spent enough time using GIMP
sure it can work. but it doesn't always
 
I am thankful to OSource software because it allows me to do everything I need for free
but I also admit the quality is way behind something well financed
and commercial
it's nice to contribute to an open source software and stuff, and make it good
but it's even nicer to be paid a ton of money to do QA on a commercial software
 
@AlexM. See, that happened to me too... but since I took some of my spare Adderall, sleep continued to elude me until an hour before I had to get up for work.
 
in short, unless it's your own project you're working on, nothing motivates you to do an exceptional job more than money
 
this guy doesn't agree: youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc
Interesting presentation, just sharing.
not necessarily saying you're wrong :)
 
Well, in this case, passing my Senior Design is a fairly good motivator.
 
1:42 PM
@Almo that was an interesting watch
 
I've seen that before, and I strongly agree. Give me just enough money to keep myself alive and fairly healthy, and I'll work like you wouldn't believe.
 
I have no idea how to comment on it
 
Not because of the money; money is a necessary element of survival. I'll do it because it's what I love to do.
 
I've only seen them presenting a situation in a company
and what some students have done
considering my financial situation, I would not bother learning a bunch of rules to do a task for $60
students at MIT are generally not...
dying of hunger
in india though, the situation might change, but it did not
further, the guys behind Linux are indeed doing a hi-tech job
but it took them a lot of years, and it's still a niche product (desktop Linux), unable to reach the quality and popularity of Windows or OS X
 
Sort of depends on how you define "quality", I suspect.
 
1:49 PM
I think Linux is in the same boat as Windows Phone. It's a great system to be in but its not popular so people don't see the point in making apps for it. If people don't make apps for it people aren't going to switch and as such it won't get popular.
 
while I really enjoy using Linux, I have to admit on each installation there was at least something that did not work well
on any distribution that I've tried
a simple update via their manager on Fedora messed up my installation
one time on Ubuntu I was unable to keep a damn PDF reader open for more than ~15 minutes, it would crash automatically
same for audio players
reinstalling the OS fixed the issue
I've yet to try a newer version of Kubuntu, but the one I used to use wouldn't even allow for me to change the position of stuff on the desktop, they'd just go back to their original position
Xubuntu is amazing, but the dock used to annoy me a bit
 
Xubuntu is sexy.
 
it is, yes
best Linux distro imo
 
Give me a tty and I'm happy. ;)
 
good luck chatting here from that :D
 
1:54 PM
I'm more an irc sort of guy, personally. ;) But yeah, a GUI web browser has pretty much become mandatory these days.
The browser's the only GUI program I use regularly, any more. Pretty much everything else runs in a terminal, for me. Apart from a calendar application we use for managing meeting requests, at work.
 
fair enough, I guess Linux's better at that stuff
though that makes you part of an even more small niche, with little competition
 
OS X can do it, too. I'm running OS X these days, mostly, just because I couldn't face doing another linux laptop install. ;)
 
btw, since we're OS-ing, did anyone here ever use FreeBSD?
I'm thinking about giving it a try
 
ok the gimp mistake was this: you can't do a dropshadow in a mask layer
@AlexM. glad you liked it. :)
 
I used FreeBSD for a little while. It's interesting. Different enough from Linux to catch you from time to time. I like its ports system.
 
1:59 PM
@TrevorPowell are there any similarities between it and OS X except for the UNIX roots? I noticed when making an OS X VM it's usually a good idea to choose BSD/FreeBSD preset.
 
Similarities between FreeBSD and OS X? Not much I've noticed. I gather that their kernels are related, but.. from userspace (in the terminal) they're like most modern *nixes; there's GNU tools, and some OS-specific admin tools..
 
hmm
might be just a preference for people who post VM articles too (never tried a non BSD preset myself)
thanks!
I wonder if that awesome phone testing service from Vodafone is still alive
yup, still there!
man I hate how long some exams take :(
the OOP practical exam will take 3 hours
I'd rather go through a more difficult but shorter exam
 
2:20 PM
@AlexM. I'm doing a project this semester instead of the OOP course. No exam :3
OOP courses are boring anyway. UML this, Java that..blergh
 
this is more like
C++ this
Qt that
 
that course I might have taken
we don't seem to have any C++ courses at all here ._.
 
there's little emphasis on OOP practices
at the OOP #2 course we'll do Java, guess it will change
 
yeah you'll get to use ALL the design patterns!
for better (unlikely) or for worse :)
 
not all, obviously
but that would be a nice change of scenery
 
2:23 PM
design patterns are overrated :/
 
I think it's a bit wrong the way it is now
 
"use the observer pattern here!"
 
students are only presented the MVC during the first year and can't think outside of it
design patterns are not overrated, they're patterns
after finding your own solutions, eventually, you will come to implement one of the already found patterns (if you somehow don't discover a unique one)
but because of ignorance, you'll still think they're overrated
making an object notify others of state change and saying "nah, observer pattern is soo overrated, look at my solution instead" is always funny
 
design patterns aren't always needed
 
true
but that doesn't make them overrated
 
2:27 PM
applying design patterns when there is no need for them at all just so that you use them does not really help anyone see when this patterns is useful
 
though you know how it goes
suppose you find a solution to a problem
350939085 programmers are using the same solution too
technically, it's a pattern
but!
1) it's possible it's not well known or even named yet
2) it's possible you never heard of it, so you don't know it's already a pattern
 
you don't have to label everything as a pattern
 
IIRC, a solution is considered to be worthy of the pattern title if it's been used in at least 3 real world situations
@melak47 I think you don't understand the meaning of the word "pattern"
 
using a message queue or loop is just that, it doesn't have to be "a message queue pattern"
program having a main(..)? Main pattern!
 
feel free to not call it a pattern then
 
2:30 PM
Love Smarties! (Rockets in Canada, because Smarties are Nestle's version of M+Ms in Canada and the UK (and probably elsewhere))
 
defining the main as int and returning 0; is still a pattern, though it's not called for the obvious reasons
do you agree that MVC is a pattern?
 
@Almo the little sweet tart like candies (but are way better than sweet tarts)?
 
there is an MVC pattern, but separating logic from data is not necessarily mvc
 
while thinking about separating responsibilities in my game one year ago, I invented three portions which I did not know then, but now I do, were actually a View, Model and Controller. I called the whole thing "Border Manager Architecture"
that's the whole thing
they're just names
names you give to solutions
 
"IIRC, a solution is considered to be worthy of the pattern title if it's been used in at least 3 real world situations" - seems like a really weird reason/statement
 
2:34 PM
don't bash, at this stage I'm just sharing wisdom from my pattern studies
 
I'm not saying patterns are useless, giving something widely used a name is certainly a good idea
 
things that were said by others more experienced than me
 
but applying a pattern just for the heck of it is silly
which seems to be what OOP classes are all about :p
 
of course it's silly mate
but that's not overrated
 
I just don't know what constitutes something as a "real world situation"
 
2:35 PM
no, OOP classes teach you patterns and provide you with exercises in which you can naturally apply those patterns
you wouldn't know though, you're not going to one
 
I'm not going to the optional one
 
can't think of a better place to teach patterns than OOP classes
most patterns are OO
where would you teach them?
computer architecture?
@ToddersLegrande Microsoft's MVC
 
What about it?
 
I guess a real world situation means a project that's critical and makes use of the solution in discussion
even though my border manager thingy was a real world situation, it probably wouldn't be taken into consideration (supposing the MVC wasn't invented)
 
Eh whatever. I don't disagree that patterns have their place and shouldn't be used for everything... which is kind of the point of the conversation
 
2:40 PM
@melak47 here, read this, and be amazed at how little classes actually teach about patterns
@ToddersLegrande yup, that's what I'm trying to say
 
But a rule on to when a pattern should finally get a name is just obnoxious
 
a good designer knows when to use and when to not use a pattern for a problem
 
I wouldn't take that as the gospel truth
@AlexM. I agree with this
 
patterns are proven solutions to problems
 
Yes. Not a proven solution to a problem in at least 3 real world situations.
 
2:42 PM
and most of the time you need to adapt them to yours, if it's a good idea to use one
but saying that they're overrated is just plain ignorance
 
@AlexM. exactly, the classes teach you "there's this pattern, and that one, and maybe this one. You must use exactly this one for this assignment, that one for the other..." and then those 3 patterns are the only ones they know think they have to use for everything
 
the 3 real world situation does seem far fetched
though it stuck to my mind
@melak47 again, the point is to teach you PATTERNS
how can they teach you patterns without making you apply them?
they can't teach you all patterns
 
if design patterns are pegs, and applications are holes:
 
they teach you the most used ones
 
OOP classes have one hole and one peg :p
 
2:44 PM
now you're just cheap trolling me
 
@ToddersLegrande yeah they come in rolls.
 
YEAH. So good when you eat like the whole roll at once
 
1) Learn three patterns and learn them well.
2) Yeah, you were supposed to learn some patterns in this class but whatevs, you can do what you want because
they're not useful in all cases.
3) Here's a list of 2509098250982098 identified patterns. Learn all of them, I don't have the time to teach more
than three.
which scenario looks best to you?
you're currently bashing #1
they're from a teacher's perspective
 
1.a) Learn three patterns and use them for EVERYTHING - What usually happens
1.b) Learn three patterns and understand when and when not to use them - What should happen
 
I don't think you learn patterns well that way. When the solution is always given, all you learn is how to adapt a particular pattern to a particular problem. Give the students a problem and let them try to see which pattern works for that
 
2:49 PM
@ToddersLegrande well, there are also graduates here in Romania who have no idea how to implement a linked list in C, but I wouldn't blame the colleges for it :P
 
Well thats 1.c
 
@melak47 they don't know which patterns works for what unless they learn them first
 
@AlexM. ...or they try them
 
1.c) Teach three patterns and students are just awful and fail the course (or pass them out of pity)
 
how the hell do you try a pattern you're not knowing anything about?!
I don't get you bud, not sure what you're actually trying to say here
if someone came to me and said "dude solve this problem. you can choose between these patterns <list>"
I'd probably go "wait, I don't even know how half of those work!"
 
2:52 PM
"here's a problem. the solution is using pattern XY. figure out how to do that"
vs
"here's a problem. figure out how to solve the problem. here's a list of patterns that may or may not be helpful"
 
you need to implement a pattern to fully learn it
after looking from afar at the decorator pattern, it seemed simple
but it only made sense after I implemented it
 
yes, and by doing so you experience and learn about the patterns and applying them for yourself, instead of being told about them or memorizing
 
alright, I'll stop here
otherwise I'll get blocked again
have fun with your project, I guess
 
I'm not having a lot of fun in my project, because people think they are doing MVC :p
 
3:11 PM
"No pressure but this will be needed ASAP."
hehe
@Kikaimaru 's link is golden
 
I like ASAP. If I say its only possible to complete this by this time next year... then that's good enough right? :P
 
yup :P
whenever I read ASAP I think of the military
 
Why is that?
 
guess it was the only place (movies) I heard the expression as a kid, no idea
 
weird, it's used everywhere
 
3:13 PM
or it might have been call of duty
memory is all fuzzy
@JohnMcDonald not in Romania :D
 
The only one I can think of is STAT from medical movies/shows
 
I learned my English from a Disney book, games, and movies
@ToddersLegrande I know that one from Starcraft: Brood War (the medic) :D
 
you know there's a hidden voice for the griffin riders in W3. I heard it, then they removed it in a patch though the sound file was still present in the .mpq
"This warhammer cost me 40k! Heh heh."
 
well, Blizzard doesn't even bother hiding it lol
or actually they do, as you said
 
gee, 28 answers and counting for the "Too awesome to use" question
 
3:27 PM
Link?
 
(it's the first one in the active questions, but)
76
Q: How to prevent the "Too awesome to use" syndrome

PhilippWhen you give the player a rare but powerful item which can only be used once but is never really required to proceed, most players will not use it at all, because they are waiting for the perfect moment. But even when this moment comes, they will still be reluctant to use it, because there might...

You sort by active, right?
 
Holiday time bitches!
 
Holiday?
 
that's a great question John
I'm like that; I won't use anything I don't have to.
Since I'm skilled, this often means that a lot of my items sit useless in my inventory.
 
Oh for sure, everyone is, as Nicol points out
 
3:29 PM
this is the olympic stadium in Berlin
pretty impressive
 
Yes John, I am now on holiday time.
 
doesn't look real in that picture!
 
@JohnMcDonald I do most of my question reading from the news feed in chat. I suppose I could have visited the site and looked xD
 
@Almo true, it gives that impression
it's been renovated, but I closed the wikipedia page where an old pic exists
 
3:59 PM
Oh this one is good...
While discussing how to fit an entire production team in an 8.5”x11” photo.

Client: Can’t everyone stand in the front for a while?

Me: Excuse me?

Client: Yeah, I saw that photo effect in a Harry Potter movie once. Isn’t that photoshop?

Me: No. That’s magic.
 
4:20 PM
why the clientsfromhell website does the autorefresh I have no idea
but it pisses me off
 
Damn, one downside to studying Japanese is when I google a new word I learn in my textbook there is an 80% chance it is somehow related to porn.
 
Japanese people have a name for everything
including for a clothing style that's represented by a fixed distance between the mini skirt and thighs
 
yes I realize that, but somehow the 3D translates to porn
same with 2D
but not 1D suprisingly
I just got a picture of a crab dinosaur for that one
2
 
The client was about to launch a new product, so they needed their website very quick. After a few revisions of the design, they were happy. Then I got a phone call.

CLIENT: Look, we really like this new design, but also think it needs to be more spicy.

ME: Spicy? What do you mean?

CLIENT: You know, have some animation and such. It would look less boring.

ME: The deadline you’ve set is really strict. I don’t think I’ll find the time to work on animations.

CLIENT: Don’t worry, I’ve planned this up. My little one [13 years old son] knows some Flash and Blender. He has already drawn the c
CLIENT: ”I was thinking that I could pay you in Groceries.”

ME: (Laughter) “You’re joking right?”

CLIENT: ”I don’t see what is so hilarious here sir.”

ME: ”I apologize, honestly sir, that is one of the most ridiculous methods of payment I have ever heard.”

CLIENT: ”Really? I think it is quite sane.”

ME: ”Well, are you talking about like a grocery store gift card?”

CLIENT: ”No, I just came into the wealth of $300 of carrots and $450 of potatoes.”
potatoes!
they're MINE!
ALL MINE!
 
4:44 PM
are here anyone who could give me an advice on java code architecture?
 
it depends what you are trying to do
 
always a good idea to ask the actual question
code architecture is broad enough for someone willing to answer to not know the actual answer and not say a thing
After a particularly aggravating project was completed…

CLIENT: Do you guys accept chocolate, flowers, coffee, or happy hour coupons?

ME: Uh, we prefer the price quoted on our invoice…

CLIENT: Oh, I know! I just think I need to give you an extra treat for dealing with all this crap.

Editor’s Note: Didn’t see that coming.
 
where should i keep the data which i needs to be accessed in many different classes
 
I was thinking about rewarding local customers later on with a freshly baked cupcake, and make it a sort of trademark thingy
I think it would be a nice touch for more companies to do this kind of stuff
 
i'm developing my engine
and i have a Project class
it has all the Projects data
 
4:51 PM
where's the problem?
give us an example of another class that has to access that data
 
that data must be updated from different classes many times
the problem is that i don't know where to define that Project class variable
should i define it in the main class
 
If you only need one, just make it a singleton
 
the Project could listen to the sub-components that can change the data, and change it accordingly
 
if it is declared static you could just do somesthing like "Project.Project"
 
alternatively, you may pass a reference to the data to every component that can edit it
you sure the Singleton is a good approach?
an engine is likely to go multithreaded at some point in the future
might cause trouble
 
4:53 PM
personally I prefer static singletons if you are going to create it once and edit it everywhere
 
the thing is that i read many times that i should avoid static declarations
 
well it would require locking in the the threaded methods
 
@BenjaminDangerJohnson locking?
 
exactly
 
?
:D
 
4:55 PM
you have something like Project.data, right?
can you give me an example of another class that can edit the data?
 
what do you mean by "Project.data"? A package?
 
is the data not a property or field in the Project class?
 
@AlexM. well there's a MainFrame class. It's for UI
there are events like
 
is the data not a property or field in the Project class?
 
Well I guess most people don't use locks in Java since they are relatively new, you could just do synchronization instead: javamex.com/tutorials/threads/thread_safety.shtml
 
4:57 PM
when you press on the "new project" button it shpuld create a new project class
 
class Project { Data projectData; }
do you have something like this?
 
or lets say i add a model to the scene, and the model class variable should be added to Project class
 
you know, I think @BenjaminDangerJohnson has a better solution than mine
go with his
 
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