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8:16 AM
@PaulVargas about a hundred years ago, I used both. In my memories, Toad was much more powerful and usable. But again, it was looooong ago
and there is no Toad for PostgreSQL (well, practically, as they officially support 8.3.4, which is very old now), so I am not using it
also, Windows only
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ Just tested sys.sql_expression_dependencies on SQL Server 2005 and it is not there. Perhaps you should add that to your answer since OP mentioned 2005 in the question.
 
@MikaelEriksson I can't remember. Does 2005 have filtered indexes?
Not sure which version they were added.
 
Hang on :)
@ypercubeᵀᴹ Nope, no filtered index in 2005.
I should have known that. Was a while ago since we abandoned 2005.
 
8:32 AM
@MikaelEriksson I found the page has this, too
TOPIC APPLIES TO: (Starts with 2008)
 
8:49 AM
@ypercubeᵀᴹ I think it starts with 2008 for all pages now. You need to verify using the Other Version drop-down menu.
 
@AndriyM Yes, I verified that filtered indexes were added in 2008.
But you are saying that there is no MSDN page for 2005 and earlier versions, right?
So, even for some feature that existed in 2000-2005, the MSDN page will say "starts with 2008"?
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ It appears you can access them using a direct link with (v=sql.90) in it but they are not accessible from Other Versions (so I was wrong there).
 
@AndriyM Ah thnx. So they have kept the 2005 pages.
They are quite hard to find
 
9:54 AM
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Q: Reopen should require a reason

James AndersonThis question appeared in the reopen queue today. It's hard to know why someone has voted for this question to be reopened. It could be that something has changed with the product and the question is now relevant or maybe the people who voted to close missed something. Would it make sense to req...

 
 
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11:20 AM
time to close this as unclear:
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Q: Alter postgresql table with huge data

Nazar HussainI have a table in my database with few simple columns and one binary column. The primary key of that table is an integer type. The problem I am facing is that auto-incremented primary key column had hit its maximum limit +2147483647. Means that table have around 2 billion records in it. Due to ...

 
@dezso Yeah it could be not enough space, constraint related (even deadlock?, not sure)
Without the error message, it's guessing
 
12:12 PM
@ypercubeᵀᴹ I added one more guess to my answer, but the question should be clarified for sure
 
 
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1:14 PM
^^ when @AaronBertrand was born it says
I'm not that good at these onboxes
 
 
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2:41 PM
Would vote up, except for the last part: that's not what comment are for. — Paul White ♦ 2 mins ago
@PaulWhite - comments are only for requesting clarification?
 
@MaxVernon Partly my humour (comment abuse!), but partly serious as well. That would be a sort of meta comment, rather than genuinely "minor or transient information". I purposely omitted the comment option from my answer, because someone would have to clear it up.
 
@PaulWhite lol. I feel for you.
 
It's a tough life.
 
@PaulWhite amen!
@PaulWhite - sorry I had to:
I think people should be able to add comments pointing out why the question should be re-opened. ;-) — Max Vernon 48 secs ago
 
I guess my question kind of shows that I only hang out here where the regular reviewers are quite few and a reopen would likely be reviewed by mostly the same people who voted to close it in the first place. It seemed to make sense at the time but I can see how it could be detrimental to the site.
 
2:49 PM
@JamesAnderson hey, it's always a good idea to bring things like that up.
 
someones got to use meta I suppose
 
@JamesAnderson Yeah it could be made to work here because we're quite small, all nice, and generally good at "following the rules". I can't imagine SE would do it just for us, which raises the question of how well it would work across the network. I guess I had that in mind when writing my answer as well.
 
> all nice
did you forget about @billinkc?
 
@Lamak I've tried.
 
@PaulWhite Some people think we're intolerant
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A: Why are there so many database questions on StackOverflow and when should they be posted here instead?

PaparazziOne StackOverflow does not down vote and close as much. For sure SO is more friendly on Answers. I get down voted here a lot and hardly ever get down voted SO. I still drop by. An answer today from new user today was vote to close an hour after a request for some more information. You h...

:D
 
2:53 PM
@MaxVernon OMG you turned your answer into a comment!
 
@PaulWhite LOL
 
Blam wondering why he gets downvoted
 
@TomV phew.
 
@PaulWhite don't we all..
 
@TomV I was beginning to think I was losing my touch.
 
2:55 PM
@TomV Higher standards & smaller volume. Meh. Meta is for opinions. I only go there when I have to.
https not working there drives me batty.
@TomV What does it mean to "vote to close" an answer?
 
@PaulWhite Wasn't that going to be fixed in x days :)
 
@TomV Four to six weeks I think.
@JamesAnderson FWIW there was no overlap between the 5 people that voted to close and the 3 that voted to leave closed.
 
One question: what is recommended level of normal form for Database normalization?
 
@PaulVargas the level that suits your database best
sorry, standard DBA answer. It Depends™
 
@PaulVargas I suspect most people would start with 3NF.
But it depends as Max says.
 
3:05 PM
@PaulWhite Nice, that's good to hear
 
@MaxVernon What is that level? How does it work, what does it depend on?
 
Most experienced people would probably struggle to write DDL at less than 3NF fairly intuitively.
 
@PaulVargas I agree with Paul - 3NF is typical for a bog standard OLTP system.
 
@JamesAnderson And no overlap with the single reopen vote either!
 
@PaulVargas lol
 
3:06 PM
Do you know any good book or article about Database normalization in practice?
 
@PaulWhite I underestimated our team
 
@MaxVernon OK. Thank you!
 
@PaulVargas @MDCCL or @ypercubeᵀᴹ likely would.
@JamesAnderson I mentioned it because I expected you to be right about the same people being involved.
 
@JamesAnderson that's part of being a DBA
 
Mind you, it only needs 3k rep.
 
3:12 PM
@PaulWhite present company excluded, of course.
 
@MaxVernon ?
 
@PaulWhite I was just trying to be funny, but apparently it's not working. Present company excluded is an idiom which means "the criticism you have just made does not describe the people who are listening to you now". I was one of the original VtC people ;-)
 
@MaxVernon Yes I'm familiar with it, just not how it applies. I was pointing out that different people voted to close, leave closed, and reopen - i.e. that the original close was in fact reviewed by different people.
@JamesAnderson Votes are private. If I had to guess, I'd say a vote to reopen without an edit means they wanted a review of the validity of the close. After all, it only takes 5 people to close, not the whole community. Different eyes and all that. — Paul White ♦ 30 mins ago
^ context
 
ahhh. I took it like you were estimating that the same crap VtC people would have voted-to-reopen etc. No worries.
although I just looked, and no-one has voted to reopen it.
 
nothing better than a joke explained at length, how I missed this
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3:18 PM
@MaxVernon No it wasn't them this time ;-)
@Lamak I'm just getting started.
 
@Lamak I was just looking at DuckDuckGo looking for The Heap history about that.
 
@PaulWhite I was hoping so
 
I'm not surprised the question was closed actually. It is rather basic, unless there's some super-interesting detail none of us are aware of. I suspect not, given the answers and comments.
 
@MaxVernon how does DuckDuckGo works for you?
 
It DuckDuckWent for me.
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3:20 PM
@Lamak normally great. But for that query it didn't help.
Perhaps my DuckDuckGoFu™ sucks.
 
That looks worryingly like an abbreviation.
 
howdy heapers
 
@bluefeet Morning
 
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Q: how to inner join?

JasmeenI have 4 tables: CITY ( city_id PRIMARY KEY, city_name, state, total_staff, travel_code, is_capital_city ); DEPOT ( dep_id PRIMARY KEY, capacity, capacity_used, mgr_name, depot_type, audit_year, city_id, Foreign Key (city_id) References CITY ); MANUFACTURER ( manu_id PRIMARY KEY, manu_name, ...

I'm tempted to answer "Very carefully"
@bluefeet howdy oh great blue one!
 
@bluefeet hi there
 
3:23 PM
@PaulWhite that's exactly what happened ;)
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ gasp how on earth would you know?
:-D
 
is the main site running really slow lately , or is just me?
 
@MaxVernon You're asking us if you're running really slow?
 
@PaulWhite made me lol
 
Seems ok for me recently. The odd 10s wait to connect, but only very occasionally, and not that unusual. The transient errors bug me more than anything.
 
3:29 PM
it's been taking 10 to 15 seconds to complete loading for me. Maybe I'm allowing some crap javascript to run or something else I normally have turned off.
 
@PaulVargas Are you interested in the Codd's normal forms and their application in real world examples and/or in data modeling with real examples?
 
@MDCCL Thank you.
 
@PaulWhite You are in a place far, far away, so that might be expected :)
 
hmmm, QuantServe, Google Analytics, and ScoreCardResearch are disabled, so that's not it.
 
@MDCCL Thanks (I'm not sure why I'm thanking, just following @PaulWhite example)
 
3:31 PM
@MDCCL I prefer the normal form of tuna, myself.
 
23 mins ago, by Paul White
@PaulVargas @MDCCL or @ypercubeᵀᴹ likely would.
 
aha
@PaulWhite thanks
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ Goodness knows what it is. General latency is no worse than the distance would suggest, but just now and then I get "Connecting..." in the Chrome status bar for an extended period. I changed to Google DNS a while back, but.
@Lamak Thank you!
 
is it Canadian day or something?
 
@MaxVernon Blame (a lack of) caching.
@Lamak That would be lovely eh.
 
3:34 PM
lol
 
@PaulWhite do you get this in other sites, too, or just SO?
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ Just dba.se. I don't use other SE sites enough to notice. Non-SE sites are always fine.
In other news, an offer appeared in my letterbox (physical) for 1Gbps Fibre today. I am trying very hard to avoid taking that up just to post annoying speedtest results.
1Gbps Internet! I remember when that was impressive for a wired LAN.
 
@PaulWhite no kidding!
is this answer no good for some reason I've overlooked?
 
@MaxVernon rep whore
:)
no I just never noticed the question, I've been busy lately
 
@TomV you know it.
 
3:41 PM
@PaulWhite have you reported it on MSE?
 
@bluefeet No, I reported the much more annoying problem instead. This one doesn't really bother me, and I wouldn't expect SE to spend time debugging my setup/ISP.
@MaxVernon Seems a creative use. No idea if it is valid. Hope so!
 
I can see why this was not upvoted since I'm recommending a deprecated feature. ;-)
 
@PaulWhite There was a test project in my city with my ISP to get fiber to your house for no extra cost
 
@PaulWhite Ok, figured I'd check in the event it was related to some of our changes that have been made
 
Imagine the feelings when I learned the tests scope ends literally 80 meters from my door
 
3:44 PM
@bluefeet I'm happy generically blaming "you".
 
And I'm totally ok with that
 
@TomV Run an extension?
I take it 1Gbps on fibre is commonplace.
 
@PaulWhite Individuals can't have it around here (except the lucky bastards that made the test project). You have to have a company and pay a lot of money because they need to open the road/pavement and add a cable especially for your connection
 
@PaulWhite It's my pleasure.
@Lamak Gratitude is always welcome ;)
@MaxVernon I'd rather take a “denormalized” shrimp.
 
4:12 PM
@MDCCL mmmmm!
@PaulWhite Blame Canada
 
 
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5:35 PM
@PaulVargas I know a few mediocre books but I can't say I've ever seen a good one.
 
5:53 PM
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Thank you. Very helpful. ;)
 
thank you very much..it's Ok , but i do not need to have lid for every owner...you put it in the output..can you remove it? — Sedighe Rahimi 2 mins ago
 
What do you need to know about normalisation?
 
@MaxVernon "normal form of tuna"?
 
@PaulVargas as opposed to Codd
 
@MDCCL I think yes. Do you have any?
@MaxVernon Humm... ... OK.
 
6:03 PM
@PaulVargas sorry, Codd is the guy who is responsible for much of the normalization theory. Codd is a homophone of Cod (the fish). Tuna is another type of fish. So, to complete the explanation of the joke, "normal form of tuna" is just a play on words.
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@MaxVernon Ahhhh! LOL!
 
@MaxVernon I disagree wholeheartedly
 
6:43 PM
@Lamak could you explain that for me?
 
of course
once upon a time, there was a joke made by a very intelligent user in a chat room. Sadly, the the other users didn't realized that it was a joke (could be that the user was unfunny, or the crowd not sophisticated enough, or both), so they replied as it was a serious comment. Then, the user explained his joke in length, making it clear that it was indeed funny. Many of us realized then that jokes are funnier when explained at length
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@Lamak OOOOOHHHHHHH. Thanks!
 
no problem
@PaulWhite could've explained it to you too
in a funnier way
 
@Lamak as long as someone explains it at length. You did a pretty good job of that. I just wish you could have put in some @AaronBertrand style allusions.
 
I'm not witty enough
 
6:57 PM
surely you jest, lamak.
 
maybe in spanish I could be do some allusions like that, but certainly not in english
 
@Lamak doing it in spanish might be a good way to really have to explain things. ;-)
 
hadn't think about that
 
 
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8:55 PM
god ole log shipping
 

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