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9:33 AM
@kermit: Call the psychic mod for this Q: dba.stackexchange.com/questions/64347/…
 
9:50 AM
@PaulWhite Any plans for where/when to meet? I figure we meet about 7ish at a bar somewhere?
 
10:41 AM
this was flagged to move here, do we want it?
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Q: Query Deadlock on Select Query

danielyI have 2 queries deadlocking on each other. The first query is Select Top 1 NULL From [Table1] with (HOLDLOCK, TABLOCKX) Second Query is an insert query that only reads from [Table2] to put data into [Table3] The first query somehow has an exclusive lock on Table2 and tries to grab an exclus...

 
I had 2 amazing emails from a software quality company today (outsourced in India)
Q: In what format should the files be, binary or text? Does 50 million numbers mean 50 Mbit or 50 MBytes?
R: We need the 50 million integers (decimal numbers) in binary format saved in .txt file.
 
 
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JNK
12:07 PM
@bluefeet I think it fits
 
@JNK cool, I wasn't sure if it was enough details so I wanted to double check before. :)
 
JNK
its certainly a Q that you would escalate to your DBA
well we can prompt for more info
 
it's been moved
 
JNK
it's not enough info now but I suspect there's a FK involved
 
hopefully the OP with pop over to DBA and provide some more details.
 
12:17 PM
@bluefeet: Can you also move this here?: stackoverflow.com/questions/23426433/…
has been cross posted
 
12:28 PM
@ypercube done
isn't that easier than trying to find 5 votes?
 
@bluefeet yeah. I flagged it here as well, so it can be merged.
 
JNK
done
 
JNK
12:43 PM
closed n merged
 
Thanks, boss
 
JNK
thank YOU for cleaning up the site
 
so much love in here
 
I can stick my hand in a pot of boiling water. Doesn't mean I should. — FreshPhilOfSO 17 secs ago
Probably needs nuking too. dba.stackexchange.com/questions/64360/…
 
1:01 PM
If anyone wants to waste a lot of time here is an awesome new web game -- games.usvsth3m.com/1000-seconds
 
1:22 PM
@bluefeet Can't do it haven't the attention span.
 
CFO: What happens if we pay to train out employees, and then they get a job somewhere else?
CEO: What happens if we don't train them and they stay?
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GUESS WHAT DAY IT IS
 
@Kermit I GIVE UP. WHAT DAY IS IT?
 
1:43 PM
vertica master
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A: Records getting rejected in HP Vertica While Copying

KermitI would start by verifying the integrity of the data. Then, I would send any rejected rows to a file. You can specify this in your COPY command: COPY CSI.MKT_RSRCH_AGG_ALL FROM '/opt/vertica/CSI/MKT_RSRCH_AGG_ALL.txt' DELIMITER '|' NULL '' REJECTED DATA '/path/to/rejected/data' DIRECT; Docu...

 
1:59 PM
Psh... Vertica.
 
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Q: Chat is notifying me incorrectly

Max VernonI got several notifications from The Heap that should have targeted another user. The notification link to chat is: http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/15284325?noredirect=1#15284325 It should have notified this user: http://chat.stackexchange.com/users/115579/max I imagine the ...

 
@swasheck I know I'm borderline broke and I still have a game to go to tonight.
 
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Q: Chat is notifying me incorrectly

Max VernonI got several notifications from The Heap that should have targeted another user. The notification link to chat is: http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/15284325?noredirect=1#15284325 It should have notified this user: http://chat.stackexchange.com/users/115579/max I imagine the ...

 
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A: Chat is notifying me incorrectly

Aaron BertrandThis is a known issue. There have been some attempts to fix the problem, but they're not foolproof. See these: Stack Exchange chat name mention inbox confusion Getting Marc's chat notifications What are the rules for when chat messages appear in a user's inbox?

 
@billinkc "Check line 38"? What's that supposed to mean? — schmackattack 7 hours ago
 
2:14 PM
@AaronBertrand it's too bad you're not a Samsung user. They now have a Lebron James app you can get. I know how much you'd love that.
 
@Zane Does it just sing Denis Leary's "I'm an asshole"?
 
@Zane :)
 
He he
 
Anyone know PDO at all?
 
@AaronBertrand i only know that it sucks. sorry.
 
2:17 PM
Yeah I knew that much already :-)
 
@AaronBertrand what, specifically ?
 
How to make a stored procedure call not get sent to SQL Server as a prepared statement.
 
@AaronBertrand you just don't prepare the statement ?
 
@Kermit the problem is figuring out where in PDO's spaghetti that happens
I changed a WordPress query from SELECT ... to EXEC ... and it's still getting cached separately as a prepared statement for each call (different parameter values to the procedure). Regardless if db is parameterization simple/forced, with or without optimize for ad hoc workloads, etc.
 
2:21 PM
I suppose I'll post a question. This is pretty exotic though - it's in the PDO translations for WordPress on Windows. Not sure there are too many folks doing what I'm doing. I just loathe LAMP that much.
 
@AaronBertrand So traditionally you would do a ->prepare, but you can skip that and just send a statement... trying to find an example for you
okay, apparent you can't
but you should be able to just pass the parameters inside the execute function and not bind params
 
@Kermit unfortunately I'd have to do a lot of unraveling to do that. I am working in pdo.php which gets $query from somewhere else. And query gets passed to $dbh->query($query). So I was trying to intercept that and change SELECT ... to EXEC ... without a ton of reverse engineering.
 
@AaronBertrand just set it on fire
 
This WordPress architecture is pretty complex. I get why that is, but it makes it really hard to optimize anything.
 
2:27 PM
@AaronBertrand yeah using sql server with wordpress is pretty rare
i deserve rep for this
No there isn't. — Kermit 10 mins ago
 
@AaronBertrand basically, this is what happens when you try and make an application database agnostic. Proper fail
 
I thought I would be able to swap out just about every ad hoc junk with procedure calls, and while I can (sort of), I don't get any benefit. The procedure's plan gets re-used but the prepared procedure call still fills up my plan cache with a version of the plan for every parameter value. Quite annoying.
@FreshPhilOfSO right. And I would re-write the thing to not give a shit about MySQL, but then as soon as there's an update, I'm screwed.
 
@AaronBertrand yes, this.
 
Schedule a job every five minutes to flush the plan cache. Easy peasy
 
It's not like there's anything really fantastic going on in here, it's pretty average CMS.
 
2:29 PM
@billinkc doesn't help when a core wordpress update comes out
 
@Kermit My comment was unhelpful enough as it is
 
@billinkc I was thinking every two minutes would be more performant.
 
I'll make the ask from the admins
 
Remind them it's needful
Ugh
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A: sql while loop with substring

user3596182CREATE PROC udploop ( @num varchar(10) ) AS BEGIN DECLARE @len int; SET @len = LEN(@num); WHILE (@len > 1) BEGIN SELECT @num = RIGHT(@num, @len - 1) ; PRINT @num; SET @len = @len; END END 4679 679 79 9 3390 390 90 0 9906 906 06 6 EXEC: EXEC udploop 34679 EXEC udploop 13390 EXEC ...

"udploop"?
So how do you propose you do this, when there are many rows in the table? Call the procedure - in a loop - for every row? So you have a loop that calls a procedure that itself runs a loop. This is definitely not an efficient way to solve this problem. — Aaron Bertrand ♦ 20 secs ago
 
Yo dawg, I heard you like loops so I put a loop in yo loop so you can whine about the database being slow
 
2:37 PM
I can't help but notice that a majority of the comments i post on the heap get removed from SO
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@Kermit That's shog's easiest way to babysit you
Why wait for flags? :-)
 
@Kermit It may have to do with those being your Snarkiest comments as well.
 
^^ this might be true
 
You usually only post the one's you're really proud of.
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those might also be the ones that get the most negative feedback from other users
 
2:42 PM
Continue? Yes or No? Which one???? and how would one know?
 
I love Windows standardization.
You can't change those buttons to skull & crossbones or "continue and perish" etc.
 
lol - continue and perish would be so good.
I'm just glad all active transactions have been rolled back. Even though I have no idea what transactions it rolled back. I assume only the ones from me clicking "Save", but who knows.... without detailed info there is no way to know. I love developers.
 
@bluefeet i might have to start requesting evidence of this
 
Yeah I think "active" implies "your" but it could do so more explicitly.
(And I don't think it really implies that - I am just making that assumption based on what I know generally.)
 
yeah, that's what I assumed too. I'm sure either option "yes" or "no" will likely result in nothing happening beyond the piece of code exiting. I'd just like to know the implication before pressing either one. To find that out, I'd need to locate the person who wrote the app in question, and you know where that leads. Rabbit-hole anyone?
 
2:50 PM
If the procedure is named correctly, and all it's really doing is looking up some fields, shouldn't really matter what you do.
 
Pressing "Yes" gets you an Invalid use of null error. Oh joy.
and another "Continue - yes or no"
lol
 
Egads
 
Don't press Continue. You wouldn't like me when I continue
 
clicking "No" to the Continue? question immediately exits the program.
 
Well obviously you didn't want to continue running the program. Duh. :-)
 
2:52 PM
lololol. Clearly!
 
At my old job we had a bug status closure called "Works as coded."
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Note this was separate from "Works as designed."
 
woah. Subtle.
 
This was so that we could "reject" bugs without having to revisit the design.
 
@AaronBertrand NONE SHALL PASS!!!!!!!!!!!
 
(There was a high emphasis on metrics like open bug %, closure rate, etc.)
 
2:54 PM
Well @AaronBertrand what do you think of this Wild vs Blackhawks series?
 
@Zane I think the Wild have their work cut out for them. And I really hope Cooke is a healthy scratch when his suspension ends.
He's not the same Matt Cooke he used to be, but he's still not good.
 
@AaronBertrand I'm not sure he's got a spot with how their current lineup is playing anyway.
 
Yeah I wouldn't suspect he would get regular minutes. But having him on the bench to be available for when they need to "not take crap" is just dangerous.
The team should be just as angry/embarrassed, if not more so, than the league.
I have great respect for teams that suspend their own players for conduct issues, whether in lieu of or addition to any league sanctions. And that goes for all sports.
 
the 'hawks are a more physical, more experienced version of the avs. they are also more consistent with their speed/skill game. i think that the wild have their work cut out for them, but i dont think that the wild will be overmatched
@Zane if nino keeps playing at the same level then he looks like he could be a real difference maker for you. he's been "righthere" all series and really broke through in a big way in gm 7
 
@AaronBertrand PHP often has that effect on folks - even ones who don't have to code in it.
 
3:10 PM
I think it's going to be a good series which is all I can really ask for.
They need to keep up the aggression. When they are on the move they look good. They are definitely getting a lot of production out of the young guys which is exactly what we need.
 
@AaronBertrand I like this. I must see if I can set it up in TFS.
 
@Zane i have to admit that i was a pretty big blackhawks fan as a kid (i lived in florida and my grandparents lived in chicago) so i'm not rooting for the wild. if they make it past the 'hawks then i think i'm free to hope that they make it all the way and beat boston (in the finals)
 
Nino, Grahnland, and Coyle all looked great. Not to mention Zach was obviously clutch through the last series.
 
@Zane NBC spelled it "Zack." I laughed. Nicole didn't get it.
 
very interesting proposal. And surprisingly the shog is not against it (for now)
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Q: Increase close vote weight for gold tag badge holders

Travis JIn order to increase the efficiency with which poor quality questions are closed, it could make sense to have weighted close votes for a small subset of qualified users. A very good way to measure the qualified users would be to leverage the tag badges. However, it needs to be rationally limite...

 
3:13 PM
@AaronBertrand Zack is the name of the Lego Maniac.
 
^^^
 
Never thought I'd be pulling that reference out.
 
@Zane yeah. hopefully kuemper is healthy because breezy looked awful in gs 1 & 2.
i've not heard his status
 
@swasheck I agree.
Kuemper is looking good. It helps that he's huge.
His glove position spot on.
 
@Zane i wonder how he'd be as a goalie if he was an average-sized human being. but yeah, he's quick for being that size and he's rarely out of position.
 
3:19 PM
nhl.com seems to think Bryz will start.
 
huge. controlled. and positioned. hard to beat him
@AaronBertrand from what i heard from wild fans, dude's a nutter. we'll see which goalies shows up tonight.
 
Knowing nothing of hockey, are those basically shorts over tights?
 
@billinkc pretty much
 
the bruins are the only team to wear actual tights :) (kidding, of course)
 
How dare you say ... oh never mind
 
3:25 PM
@AaronBertrand Bummer.
 
@AaronBertrand do the needful
 
That doesn't mean they're right
 
@Zane who knows. maybe the all-star stand-on-his-head breezy from a few years ago will show up
 
@swasheck He comes and goes.
 
@Zane well his save percentage in gm 7 was 100% sooooo .... :)
 
3:26 PM
The only reason we were in it the first few last year was the outstanding play by Harding.
He keeps his glove to low.
 
@Zane i learned that kuemper was actually your #3 goalie
 
Yeah.
 
@Zane backstrom better watch his ... uhhh .... back
 
Harding was number one before MS took him out. He has the best save% and GAA in the league this year.
Then Backstrom is old and getting injured.
Keumper is a baby but his size and positioning make him very clutch.
We've used 7 goaltenders this year.
 
@Zane stastny almost beat him because of that. he got a lucky left shoulder up and the shot missed by 1/4 of an inch
@Zane baby meaning age or attitude?
 
3:31 PM
I parsed it as age
 
@Zane ah. i knew he was young but didnt know much about his personality so i didnt know if that's what you were saying.
 
4:27 PM
@Zane i'm in the mood for some swamp rock. any recommendations?
 
It just so interesting how folks phrase things in recruiter emails for a position.
DBA in Atlanta:
•Experience with Clustering, Mirroring or 2012
•Experience with Microsoft SQL Server 2000, SQL Server 2005, and SQL Server 2008 R2
 
@ShawnMelton Experience with 2012?, as in the year?
 
@Lamak I dunno, guess so.
 
@AaronBertrand I know you have the new Mac Pro - do you have a Mac laptop as well?
 
@ShawnMelton EXPERIENCE ALL THE THINGS!!!!!
 
4:39 PM
@swasheck other bullet points in the email that is pretty much what they are looking for
 
@ShawnMelton you should forward that to larock. i think he likes publicly making fun of recruiters
 
I would love to see a map where it plots out the number of DBAs in the area based on RDBMS.
 
Is @billinkc in the house?
 
@bluefeet I've had 5 or 6 Apple laptops over the years
 
@bluefeet He does.
 
4:43 PM
@Phil do you currently have one?
 
ja
 
@bluefeet sold my MacBook Air a while ago. Found myself using the iPad more when on the go, so I've just got a Hackintosh PC for now
 
@bluefeet Have a 2008 non-unibody MBP, 2010 unibody MBP and a 2012 MB Air
 
I don't eat fruit, like the candy stuff more...
 
@swasheck hmmm let me see
 
4:49 PM
@billinkc well I think I need a new machine and I'm looking at just getting a laptop because I cant swing the new mac pro
 
Nvm Bill I've got an idea.
 
Also got an unfixable unibody MBP (water damage :/ )
 
@bluefeet For lightweight general purpose machine, that MB Air is awesome. If I could only get it with the matte screen and I'd be over the moon
 
@billinkc I don't think the MB air will be on the list of choices.
 
5:00 PM
@bluefeet I could sell you my old Mac Pro
2008 32GB with gobs of storage (including boot SSD)
 
@AaronBertrand I've got that mac pro as well that old 2008 desktop
 
Oh that's right, ok, never mind :-)
 
Right now I've got 2 displays and the mac pro - I think it's time for a new machine so I'm thinking of a laptop this time
 
@bluefeet yes, MBP 15" retina, mid 2012.
 
would love the new mac pro but I don't think I want to spend that much
trying to decide between 13 or 15"
 
5:03 PM
I couldn't work on a 13".
Wife has a 13" MBP. The drop in screen size is not much on paper, but in reality it is
 
well I'll use an external monitor at home
 
Got to go 15
 
I use my laptop away from my desk more than at it - bedroom, kitchen, living room, etc. You can't rely on attaching it to a monitor always, else why not just get a mini?
 
@AaronBertrand I can't take that with me if I want to travel with it
well I could but that would be a pain
 
Right, which is again why I'm saying don't settle for the 13"
 
5:06 PM
@AaronBertrand got it
 
I wasn't really suggesting you get a mini :-)
 
they are cheap
 
@AaronBertrand Does the solder trick still work on those?
 
@Zane not familiar
Only mini in my family is at my mom's house in Canada, and I've never really touched it apart from initial setup
 
@AaronBertrand The original version shipped with different processor speeds. However they all came with the same processor the clock speed was just determined by which connection was soldered. You could open one up break the low speed connection and create the high speed connection and save yourself some money.
 
5:10 PM
@Zane no idea, sorry
For a little clock speed that hardly seems worth it. Not much you're doing these days is really going to change your day if it is running at 2.4GHz or 2.9GHz.
I don't recall ever paying extra for a clock speed upgrade. None of my workloads are CPU bound.
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JNK
@AaronBertrand do more regex and xml
 
@JNK no
and especially not on a Mac mini
 
JNK
ideally you can use regex to parse xml documents
then tonythepony will come
but the center won't hold
 
@AaronBertrand now I just need to confirm if I can use my old cinema displays with the new mb pro
 
@AaronBertrand It was a long time ago and it was the 1.25 to the 1.5 and the price difference was fairly large at the time if I recall.
 
5:15 PM
@bluefeet I have two old 30" cinema displays. They work great with the new Mac Pro and my 2012 MacBook Pro
 
I just recall seeing it on an Episode of the Screen savers ages ago.
 
@Zane yeah but what are you doing where you're really going to notice a .25GHz jump?
 
@AaronBertrand sweet If I buy a new machine I don't feel like shelling out $1k for the new mac displays
 
(My guess is, for most people, nothing that outweighs killing warranty.)
@bluefeet I'm waiting for more 4K displays to enter the market. I'm happy with my displays now but look forward to retina quality everywhere.
 
@JNK I never thought I would see "Ideally", "regex" and "xml" in the same sentence
 
JNK
5:17 PM
@AaronBertrand is there any web portal for SS besides the cloud (which I will play with shortly)?
 
@AaronBertrand I'm not suggesting it's worth doing I just remember that it could be done. At least for the G4 mac mini but that was ages ago.
 
@JNK no
 
JNK
@Lamak but you just did it again
 
I know....I curse myself
 
@JNK the thinking, really, has been - if there is a web portal, and there is something going wrong, how are you going to fix it? You're going to have to RDP or whatever to the environment...
 
JNK
5:19 PM
@AaronBertrand yeah this is true
It didn't really occur to me until someone in IT asked me about it
then I looked at Idera and they have a mobile app or something
 
COGNOS C'MON BACK IF YOU EVER WANT TO TRY AGAIN ... I DONE TOLD YOU ONCE YOU SONOFA______
 
Our stance has lightened a bit, but read this
The cloud offering is partly designed for sharing information, not for being a dashboard.
 
JNK
it does seem like a big investment in building a new version of something that will have limited utility
 
(i.e. you shouldn't be using it for real time monitoring)
 
JNK
esp. when you have to keep it in sync as you push out new versions
@AaronBertrand yeah I was thinking for reporting
I haven't looked at it yet
FWIW the IT guy who asked me basically didn't see a point once I told him the client only needs creds to SQL Server to run
It took a while for him to get that part
 
5:23 PM
@JNK Well you can deploy and automate reports to any SSRS server, so in essence, yes, you can have a "web portal" that just shows the various reports you want to share
@JNK and only creds to the SQL Sentry database, not any of the monitored databases
 
JNK
@AaronBertrand ah didn't know that
 
You could draw him a picture with crayons
 
JNK
I did with a dry erase board and he got it
he's not slow but it's fairly complicated until you visualize it
 
@JNK you need to learn to be a bit more condescending
 
JNK
@swasheck I'll start practicing soon
 
5:24 PM
@JNK you need more apples and oranges
 
Yes, that's what I was going for
 
@AaronBertrand condescension or apples?
 
ouch
sweet comment
> He foudn a way to be condescending to people. The guys aks what is it. But it sounds as if he wonders what Con. means. He said It's when you tlak down to someone. Then the guy has beent alked down upon
 
@jnk @AaronBertrand do you ever get over being the binding vote on closing? I alway feel bad
 
5:30 PM
@bluefeet you're just too soft
 
@bluefeet If that meta proposal gets approved, then soon we could also be the binding vote :-)
 
@swasheck I know
it's hard when its a pivot question
 
@bluefeet no, still think they should make that an option
@bluefeet you should abstain from those
 
@AaronBertrand I know and I've tried to stop answering them
 
@bluefeet you need a more full metal jacket approach. just dont think of them as people.
(kidding)
 
JNK
5:31 PM
@bluefeet nope doesn't bother me
 
@bluefeet they're all dupes of any one of your previous answers anyway
 
this is a duplicate of course and a solution is here
 
JNK
I often leave a comment though about how to improve to soften the blow a little
 
@bluefeet the whole idea of the proposal is give gold tag users the ability to bind close vote those questions
 
and this is a dup of the one in my comment
 
5:32 PM
but VtC is not an inhumane operation. it's a matter of cleanliness. it's like making people feel bad for asking them to flush the toilet.
 
@AaronBertrand I'm aware
 
(or flushing the toilet for them because they didnt)
 
@swasheck or to clean the seat/floor when they miss
Which is actually more accurate
Ironically
 
mind = blown
 
I'm pretty clever once in a while
 
5:34 PM
@AaronBertrand dont sell yourself short. i'll give you thrice in a while
 
aw shucks
 
@Zane Blues Saraceno fits the bill.
 
@swasheck Sorry man I didn't get a huge amount of work to do. Because these damn offsite team things stole at least 12 hours of productivity from me this week.
 
@Zane hah. no worries. were they fun?
 
@swasheck The party was fun. The offsite was okay I suppose.
 
5:42 PM
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Q: Is a SQL query still called a "query" when doing a deletion, update or insertion?

DrewdavidI'm not sure what to call a query that... isn't really a query; is "statement" a better word to use in place? Or how about "script"? Or would something else be more appropriate? Note: I've seen someone call it a "DELETE query" once

 
hmph. a pain reliever
 
@AaronBertrand neat
 
He edited and corrected the "auto-resize" to "auto-growth", as had JonSeigel suggested.
 
6:00 PM
@ypercube re-opened
 
6:21 PM
super close votes
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Q: Give high-rep users super-close votes

Robert HarveyAs a person's commitment to the community increases, I think we should make it possible for high-reputation users to fast-track the closure of certain questions. My reasons are many; for brevity, I won't repeat them all in detail here. But you can find them in all of the recent discussions here...

 
I'm alll about that.
 
@bluefeet i'd feel better if 20k votes counted double versus being binding
 
@Kermit A comment you should post on the question perhaps?
 
6:38 PM
I would feel more comfortable if my vote only weighed 2.5 votes rather than was completely binding. Then if another 20+ user agreed with me, their 2.5 vote would satisfy enough votes to close. — Kermit 24 secs ago
 
There's 9.5K in the queue anything to help would be appreciated at this point.
 
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A: Give high-rep users super-close votes

KermitThough this question specifically discusses high-rep users, I would propose a tiered close vote system since close votes can be cast beginning with 3,000 reputation. As someone with 20k+ rep, I would not feel comfortable having my vote be binding. Reputation Close vote weight 3,000 0.5 ...

 
@Kermit i've gotta say that i'm impressed
 
@bluefeet I like more the gold badge one
 
@swasheck I would also want to have a spade next to my username, but I refrained
 
6:50 PM
@Kermit i prefer clubs
 
@Lamak well he does say tag badge but doesn't specify what tag badge
 
@bluefeet yup. But I forgot how difficult it is to get a bronze badge tag
 
I think the badge-related criteria are too wishy-washy (1) on most sites that means the change is minimal (2) what does it really mean when a question gets re-tagged (3) just because I don't have a gold badge in MySQL doesn't mean I can't recognize an absolute shit MySQL question.
 
@AaronBertrand the (2) point was kinda of addressed saying that it should only take into account the first revision tags
 
@AaronBertrand Still a mysql question will probably have a SQL tag, for which you have some gold I suppose.
 
6:55 PM
how the eff do i find who closed posts?
 
and I guess that the third one can mean that our vote only counts as one
 
@Kermit not sure if who closed is available
@TimStone would know immediately
 
@bluefeet can you find out for me in the god chat room
 
@Kermit Maybe using this table:
SELECT TOP 10 *
FROM Votes
WHERE VoteTypeId = 6
 
I pinged him above so if he is around he should get it.
 
6:59 PM
@bluefeet ty
 
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