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Close as too localized? It beats me when they spend 20 minutes to write a question when they could have tried it out in 2.
You could of course try it out in your DBMS - and see what happens. — ypercube 1 min ago
 
 
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10:10 AM
Morning all
 
gbn
10:26 AM
Hello
 
10:52 AM
morning
 
11:18 AM
Hiya
 
 
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Qlikview - best excuse ever for not fixing issues in your ETL.
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"For that way lies madness"
 
gbn
1:01 PM
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells I'm a QV Admin here
Not quite sure how that happened...
 
@gbn You didn't run fast enough
 
 
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3:22 PM
How do you give 6 upvotes for a question that is just an error message? How does that show research effort?
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Q: The value violated the integrity constraints for the column

user2840167I am trying to import the data from Excel file into SQL Server database. I am unable to do so because I am getting following errors in the log file. Please help. The log erros are as as follows:- [OLE DB Destination [42]] Error: An OLE DB error has occurred. Error code: 0x80040E21. An OLE DB ...

 
3:36 PM
I have an interim fix for this problem:
i. Relax
ii. Drink beer, whisky, G&T or other preferred beverage
iii. Go to (i)
 
Hmmm, it's 0939 local but if you insist
 
Yeah, leaving a question at SO for a year or two has unpredictable results. Then, just relax and wait for the whiskey to grow.
 
Dark and stormy has been the beverage of preference lately
 
@billinkc Is the sun over the yardarm?
 
What's the ruling on when it's too cloudy to see?
 
3:43 PM
@billinkc Better to beg forgivness than ask permission.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Let it never be said that you are not a prince among your peers
 
@billinkc 'Twas but a mere bagatelle. Always ready to help.
 
3:56 PM
@billinkc 11 now. but yours has 1 (thanks to me)
 
And someone else. Only reason that one came back to my radar was I was downvoted.
Which reminds me, I need to post on meta about how we shouldn't allow anonymous downvoting
 
someone needs to modhammer this
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A: What is the difference between a "record" and a "row" in SQL Server?

kennethwow!this is the site where learning/reading materials are found.....thanks

 
Just as soon as I download this sp_whosisActivelySuingMe from Morlock Systems
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@swasheck flag as NAA
 
i did
@billinkc you should post one that says that we should require -1 before all comments that directly follow a downvote
 
3:59 PM
@swasheck already flagged
 
@swasheck I would like to subscribe to your humble literature
 
@swasheck It got shogged!
 
ssssshhhhhhh. he's always here. listening. waiting. watching.
 
Yes. He leaves the lurking to Tim.
 
Tim the Enchanter
 
4:03 PM
Never lend him your sword.
 
My comment on the row/record question is my highest voted comment across the SE network. I haz a proud
 
it's a good comment
@billinkc @PaulWhite help me understand the suing thing. (sp_whoisactive)
 
Tempted to flag as too chatty.
 
One propels a craft, the other is used by dirty hipsters to play music — billinkc Jan 11 '13 at 22:28
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preserved from flags ;)
 
@swasheck The fine sponsored mailing from PASS this morning. The trainers that are associated to the scripts have sued people in the past for providing training that was similar to their training. Seems in their part of Europe, they have exclusive access to all things SQL Server
You have mentioned TF 3214 in your materials. That's an undocumented TF that we cover so you can stop offering training on that or we'll sue you
At least, that was my 3rd party recollection of the skirmish
 
4:08 PM
i didnt get that email.
(not cool enough)
and ... seriously? i thought that the US owned all rights to such legal absurdities
 
You don't get mailings from PASS? You've attended 2 Summits + a few SQL Saturdays? That's impressive
 
@swasheck Some years ago Ramesh decided Adam had given a PASS Summit talk based on some post or other Ramesh had written...without Adam giving him credit for the technical knowledge (!). It was something pretty basic about sort spills. Of course, Adam had never heard of the guy, but that didn't stop R being a dick and threatening to get lawyers involved.
 
i'd be tempted to reply as such, too. "we have patented such blatant legal extortion. we order you to cease and desist such activities or we will have to settle this in court."
 
Didn't they go after Klaus too for something on Service Broker?
 
Yes I believe so.
 
4:11 PM
@swasheck Sounds like the perfect application for percussive stakeholder management to me.
 
(Klaus has written a book on SB so let the absurdity of that roll about in the ol' brain pan)
 
@billinkc or maybe i just delete emails from PASS without reading them
 
He also wanted credit for a blog post I wrote about sort spills, and a link to his paid training courses. I did not make him happy.
 
so ramesh sounds like an insecure bully.
i've not heard of him. he sounds "special."
 
Dunno. I do know he's a dick.
 
4:13 PM
Or maybe percussive litigation.
 
From the public twitter fray, it seemed that Carmen was the bigger dick
Either way, it's safe to say I'd never do business with them
 
carmen sandiego
 
Carmen Teppanyaki If you can find it, it's salty umami goodness
 
@billinkc His wife, yes.
SELECT *
FROM AdventureWorks2012.Person.Person
WHERE BusinessEntityID IN (268, 1463);
 
Don't have AW installed but my previous employer was responsible for some of the AW updates for 2014. My plan had been to get my name added into it
I failed on that one
 
4:16 PM
Those are Ramesh's entries. Would have been great to get them replaced with BillInKC
Though you would no doubt be hearing from his lawyers
 
4:27 PM
@AaronBertrand Thanks for the retweet, sir.
 
[Blog]: Growing Log Files Responsibly http://bit.ly/1tKCymS #sqlpass #sqlblog
 
@MikeFal /find it’s own/find its own/
 
@MikeFal Though it's fixed on modern versions, you might want to mention this bug?
 
Also, seems the character correction is not working with your formatter or something. Instead of < we see &lt;
 
@PaulWhite "modern" is ... ?
 
4:36 PM
@billinkc Fixed.
 
Good, I can stop reading now :P
 
@PaulWhite Kimberly references it in the blog post I link to, figured that was enough.
 
@MikeFal Ok.
 
@billinkc I seriously need an editor.
 
@MikeFal Can I suggest vim or Notepad++?
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4:38 PM
i believe he means proofreader?
 
@swasheck THAT'S WHY IT'S FUNNY
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Not that kind of editor. :p
 
@billinkc ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
Jerks
 
@MikeFal @gbn's missus does writing and editorial work and might be up for some freelancing.
 
4:39 PM
@swasheck 2012
 
thanks
 
I still don't grow log in multiples of 4GB increments. 4000 MB or something. Pure superstition now I guess.
 
fool me once, shame on you fool me again ... wont get fooled again
or whatever that bush quote was
too lazy to google it
 
@PaulWhite Interestingly enough, if I use the PoSH/SMO alternative, I have to grow it in KB, not MB or GB. Sort of addresses that bug, but also kind of annoying.
 
@MikeFal Yes. And you have to remember it's KB.
Oh and btw you have a &lt; in your T-SQL code.
 
4:43 PM
@PaulWhite he needs an editor
 
@PaulWhite Refresh, should be fixed.
 
No he needs a proofreader
 
that too
 
@PaulWhite Maybe an editor with spell check?
 
@MikeFal No because that will credit you an extra click.
 
4:44 PM
a proofreading editor? that's word, right? and we're back to the problem. full circle
 
@MikeFal The code looks different now, grey box sort of a thing and the page is spinning on google analytics. Normal I guess.
I'll hit refresh again and earn you another $1 from your advertisers...
All fixed.
 
please do not provoke the locks
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Q: Writing a large update/delete script that doesn't provoke locks

JacobWhile running a T-SQL script that is performing massive amounts of deletes, I had the unpleasant experience of causing some sort of lock contention that prevented inserts of data in some tables for other connections. I tried to remedy this by breaking down the request into smaller transactions wi...

 
@PaulWhite I don't have advertisers. :)
 
@MikeFal No but imagine if you did!
 
I could probably buy a coffee once a month.
 
4:53 PM
@MikeFal Ha. By the way, we haven't found the right day to try the hot sauce yet, but that doesn't mean I've forgotten or that I'm not looking forward to it.
 
@PaulWhite Same here. It sits on my shelf and I keep thinking "maybe today"...
 
That's ok I wasn't fishing. You could always keep it as a rare and interesting ornament!
 
@PaulWhite I tried a chilli sauce called Megadeath a year or two ago.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Is that the one you mentioned before with the impossibly high heat index thingy?
 
4:56 PM
The current sauces of discussion are not in that league (well I know the one I gave wasn't...)
 
I tried it diluted at a teaspoon mixed into baked beans on toast.
That was fairly aggressive. I politely declined their challenge to try it at 2tsp per meal.
 
probably a fairly cleansing experience
 
@swasheck Now that you mention it.
 
The baked beans for a Full English just ... messes with me.
 
It was the chilli sauce that did it for me.
 
4:58 PM
i had a full english breakfast ... i thought i'd hate the baked beans (because i dont like baked beans) but i tried it in order to engage the culture. i actually liked it
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells you always know when the chili sauce is what did it to you
 
The best English breakfast I ever had came from a chain of Italian restaurant.
@swasheck I think Johnny Cash wrote a song about that particular experience. Something about a ring of fire.
 
I sometimes have Oak Smoked Baked Beans on toast as a main evening meal.
 
@PaulWhite Surely you can afford Wattie's
 
@PaulWhite oak smoked: is that a brand or a method?
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells I'm ashamed to say I prefer Oak. I know it's wrong.
 
5:00 PM
@swasheck It's a brand
@PaulWhite Say 10 Hail Marys
Your penance is to do Oracle certification.
 
Harsh!!!
 
Could be worse. Could be MySQL.
 
mongo
 
At least it's web scale.
@PaulWhite If you do come for drinkies on May 18, I now know what to feed you for breakfast.
Along with toast and vegemite (which you can get in the supermarkets here)
 
That's a pretty cool site. NZ-Mite! LOL
 
5:11 PM
And Anathoth and Barker's jam
 
@MikeFal I still see -lt in lines 20 and 21 in the 2nd script
 
But no Barker's plum sauce. Bummer.
 
Prices are pretty good generally, but wow £7.50 for Whittaker's Creamy Milk?!
 
@PaulWhite £1.75 for a can of baked beans.
 
@ypercube You need it in the Powershell script. It's a syntactical thing, PoSH treats < and > like shell scripting, so you need -lt to denote less than
 
5:13 PM
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells I get through chocolate a lot faster :)
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells If I do get over in May, I can bring you a small care package if you let me know what you would like.
 
@PaulWhite Pineapple lumps
 
Naturally.
 
@PaulWhite Tsk, had I known this, I'd have made sure you sampled the Christopher Elbow chocolates
 
@billinkc It has to be the right chocolate. Can't stand Cadbury's, for example.
But yes I would have been totally willing to try. With a monorail coffee.
 
5:19 PM
Time for tubby bye-bye. Apparently the trains are all fubar so getting home might take a while.
 
@billinkc Looks fancy. I'm not that sophisticated. More of the om-nom-nom approach.
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Aren't the trains always that way in England?
 
5:34 PM
@PaulWhite peasant chocolate.
 
I'm not a fan of truffles
 
I've only had one in my life. It was pretty good.
In actuality the Chocolate I get is in beer.
 
6:08 PM
@PaulWhite @MikeFal Can't really explain why but the last paragraph immediately caused me to want to upvote the post.
 
6:48 PM
@AndriyM @PaulWhite heh, I'm giving it to a few of my team as an example ...
 
Nothing like overwhelming the organizers:
How many sessions could Steve Simon really present authoritatively?
 
@AaronBertrand in one day? They offer 8 session slots? So ... 12 obviously
Parallelism
 
He submitted 17. I find it hard to believe there are many at any level in our community who could pick a straw from 17 decks and nail it.
I'm glad I don't run a SQL Saturday because I would reject all 17 on principle.
 
> has presented papers at 8 PASS Summits and one at PASS Europe 2009 and 2010.
 
Steve's a super nice guy but that's excessive
 
6:52 PM
Does that mean he's presented the same one at both Euro events?
 
I suspect he's just trying to ensure he presents, so by having as many submissions as possible he has the breadth that if they pick any one, he has time to brush up on it... I mean, that's evident, right?
 
JNK
Not sure I know him
 
Also, my joke was funny :p
I'm now mad that not one of you laughed. I'm monitoring every one of your offices right now. :p
 
@jcolebrand Sorry about the gas
 
@jcolebrand But why give them SEVENTEEN to choose from?
 
6:53 PM
@billinkc I didn't install the smellovision yet .. seemed like an expensive option on the silkthreaded chat client
 
@AaronBertrand because he has an agenda to present ...
 
^ they really need caps
 
Some people think it's a mandate to do presentations to gain access to X level
Oh, I agree on your position
 
It's inconsiderate and unreasonable.
 
6:54 PM
I firmly believe that giving two amazing talks for them to have to decide between is a much better alternative than "pick something off my laundry list please"
Because when you submit two with amazing briefs that fit the market and the expected skill level, it's just like applying for a job. You've done the research.
I only ever throw out two or three resumes at a time when I decide to switch jobs.
I could probably drop to 1 at this point in my career
I don't do the broad shot approach, it doesn't benefit anyone
that's the same thing you're saying here
 
While 17 is excessive, I do like having options (oh, I can use X to fill the BI track or Oh lookie, MDM. That's always popular)
 
@billinkc that indicates that you don't know the audience and the need
You should have TWO at most
 
@billinkc do you think you need more than, say, 5 from any single speaker? Especially given that many of their topics align in one track?
 
5 is a reasonable cap
Thing with SQL Saturdays is the, potentially, wide interest of the audience
 
@billinkc bah
While I agree that you may have one or two outliers that really want to know the top-level highly indepth information, generally you need to target the intermediate audience
 
6:58 PM
Sure, there's DBA things and that's a core tenant but get into the fuzzy stuff, maybe there's interest in Excel Cube Functions. It's a valid thing but is Excel a SQL Server topic.
 
IF there is that much demand for several deep technology talks at the senior audience, then you should organize a second SQL Saturday in the region and MARKET THE TWO FOR THE DIFFERENCES
So, short story: I agree with Aaron. Homeboy is throwing down way too hard.
 
@billinkc more than Access oh no he didn't
 
It's the only enterprise application
 
@AaronBertrand the last thing anyone should install on their computer is Access :p
 
@Phil, @MarkStorey-Smith, @martinsmith, @JackDouglas, @James, @ypercube I might be mobile-less when I land tomorrow but will see you there 7-7.30
 
JNK
7:07 PM
The perils of not properly choosing data types
 
Never underestimate the draw of kpop
 
@JNK 2nd place is another reason I weep for our society
 
7:22 PM
That is a weird construct to me
SELECT *
FROM Financial.AccrualsFact af
INNER JOIN Financial.IncomeExpenseReportDateWork w
    ON af.ReportToDateKey IN (w.CurrentReportToDateKey, w.PriorReportToDateKey)
 
JNK
yeah that is weird
 
-- More concise than

    ON af.col = w.col1
    OR af.col = w.col2
 
JNK
Why not just use an OR
 
Because people are lazy
 
JNK
Hey guys, @AaronBertrand is suddenly in favor of conciseness over clarity!
 
7:25 PM
That is not what I said.
 
JNK
faints
 
Jerk-face
 
Yeah, same plan as the OR but I had to tilt my head at the query to figure out what they were asking for
 
JNK
:)
I know what you mean
That's the reason but it's not a good one
 
Same "reason" for SELECT *
More of an excuse, really
 
7:26 PM
They don't have * in the real query, that's the abbreviated version of it
 
I meant in general
And I think you meant abbrev.
 
I really should stop trying to fathom query plans
 
So I'm thinking about going independent... s-corp the way to go?
 
From a taxation or a legal liability purpose?
 
Legal Liability Purpose.
LLP brah
 
7:39 PM
Boom, LLP
They haven't posted the slides from Summit but I sat through a presentation and have jumbled which was which.
The way my friend has his company structured, I believe is LLC. He takes a reasonable salary and the rest is passed through to the corporation of which, he's the only person at and he gets the rest of the earnings as ... dividends or whatever. Which is a lower tax rate than "straight" earnings. Plus, allows him to deduct everything (gas, internet, phone, etc)
YMMV, consult a lawyer and an accountant, etc. The other bit of advice I've been given is to have a sizeable reserve on hand (6 months preferable)
Client terms might be such that you don't get paid for up to 60 days from when you start billing.
shrug
 
That's strange, because from what I read, you get taxed less with an s-corp, i.e., you make 200k salary, and only take 100k for yourself, you only get taxed on that.
then whatever is left after expenses is distributed
 
At which point I tap out and defer to the guy who's actually running his thing versus my flaky memory
 
Which guy
@Lamak?
 
Oh, no, he's not a Heaper. A flesh and blood real life friend
 
@Kermit distributed how? If it's to a person, it has to be claimed as income (and taxed) at some point.
Whether you call it your salary or not is a different issue.
 
7:52 PM
@AaronBertrand Sorry, you're right it would be taxed, but not on ss/medicare taxes
 
Even at 100K / year you'd hit SS cap before the end of the year anyway.
Medicare, don't know, haven't tracked that one.
 
Would you agree to form an LLC over s-corp?
 
You can have both, one for legal stuff, one for taxation. They talked about it, just don't remember
 
@billinkc :'(
 
@Lamak If it's any consolation, you're my favorite Argentinian
:D
 
7:55 PM
@Kermit Not sure, I don't know if any of these differences are important to you. If it's just a one-man shop, it's probably a coin flip.
 
@AaronBertrand I appreciate it.
@Lamak you're not real. sorry
 
FWIW I have been actively consulting since 1998 and I have never formed any type of corp, just go for 1099s. Not that that's what you should do, just a frame of reference. It's actually a good compromise - I can still claim all the usual business expenses (portion of home office, portion of vehicle, meals etc.) and the only extra paperwork is an extra form in April.
 
@AaronBertrand Yeah, I asked for 1099. This particular client is asking for corp-to-corp
@AaronBertrand I suppose this is what I was eluding to with the taxes (from those differences)
> Self-employment taxes. S corporations may have preferable self-employment taxes compared to the LLC because the owner can be treated as an employee and paid a reasonable salary. FICA taxes are withheld and paid on that amount. Corporate earnings after payment of the salary may be able to be treated as unearned income that is not subject to self-employment taxes. For more information and whether this might apply to your particular situation, please contact your accountant or tax adviser.
 
@Kermit hope it's a very lucrative deal. I don't know if I would do all that for one client.
 
@AaronBertrand It would be for me. We'll see what happens.
@Lamak what did I ever do to you
 
7:59 PM
@Kermit don't know, sounds like the difference would still be taxed if you take the remainder out in any way; I don't know how much more expensive self-employment taxes are compared to standard income tax. You should contact a tax advisor.
 
@Kermit nothing, it was for @billinkc
 
@AaronBertrand Agreed
 
And insurance.
 
Yes, please get insurance
 
@Lamak </3
 
8:00 PM
@Lamak ah okay good. ♥
 
@billinkc I'll send you the divorce papers
 
@billinkc liability or health insurance
 
@Kermit business liability
 
@Lamak No (that's in Spanish by the way)
 
@AaronBertrand Got it.
 
8:02 PM
Health should be an obvious one, especially since you are not single and have dependents - if your wife works you may be able to piggy-back off hers (that's what I do, only because wife's company is bigger and a couple of better benefits). If not, it can be quite expensive.
You should really scope that out because the difference may be astounding (depends on your state and what offerings there are for self-employed).
So one hand you look at this bigger check but you have to take into account the extra that's going to come out at some point.
When I was earning less and doing more consulting to compensate, irregularity of pay sucked. For example I'd do a website for $20K and get this fat check for a month's work, then no pay for a few months while I sourced and started on a new project. Maybe not the case for you if you are going to have a single client, but to keep in mind
 
Holy shit they shut down the freeway.
 
They did that in Providence the night of the Ferguson decision too
 
@AaronBertrand yeah, she stays home with the little one.
 
8:17 PM
(Wouldn't make national news, though, because RI is pathetic)
 
@AaronBertrand Yeah I'm aware of that and know what you mean.
 
Referential Integrity is pathetic. That's what app code is for
 
@Kermit do your research, man. Health coverage will be your 2nd largest expense (or maybe tops).
 
@AaronBertrand Yeah, spent some time on healtcare.gov.
This looks like the scene from the Walking Dead
 
I was very disappointed there were no walkers when I passed through Hartzfeld Jackson airporty
screw you keyboard
 
8:20 PM
Seems like an ineffective way to protest the police seeing as how without them you would get pancaked by people coming around that corner. Problem two is that pissing off the general populous is never a good way to get your message acrossed.
 
Oh how I love Kendra
 
@billinkc Little or Big?
 
<h6>Kendra</h6>
 
@billinkc I just tweeted about that (kind of)
 
8:23 PM
@AaronBertrand you're such a tweeter
 
I order you to, uh huh huh uh, saw off his tweeter
 
@billinkc What are you, the Ferguson Police?
 
thettle down, billith
 
@AaronBertrand And this is why I love you
 
The offensive language in this chat room makes my heart melt
 
8:27 PM
Fair use under the DMCA
 
@Kermit this is the default view for that site. Ugh.
 
@AaronBertrand stupid web designer
 
There doesn't seem to be a way to hide their horribly untested nav menu
 
Get a mac
Wait
 
@billinkc you're welcome
 
8:29 PM
@billinkc Y?
 
Standard response to computer things is Get a mac
 
@swasheck she made a very funny analogy in a private mailing list
 
ah
 
Basically raid 0 is like buying a house with only one toilet
Maybe ok for the single guy but once you are married and have 4 kids...
 
@Kermit website doesn't load.
 
8:32 PM
@Zane sorry. @AaronBertrand crashed it
 
nice
 
@AaronBertrand Then what?! You need a bidet, urinal, Jack & Jill sinks....
 
@Kermit bidet ... that's that nice water fountain that they put in the restroom, right?
 
I find they have the most refreshing water
 
@swasheck It's for washing your feet after going to the beach
 
8:38 PM
And those handy towels alongside? Brilliant. Just wipe your face up if you splash any water while drinking
 
all fresh for the big dance!
 
8:49 PM
It's sad that you guys are the smartest people I know...
:)
 
so you must know, like, 10 people
 
JNK
@Kermit You REALLY want to have 2 toilets when you have kids potty training
We have a man bathroom and one for the wife
 
@JNK sooo ... "splash zone" and a legitimate bathroom?
 
JNK
yeah basically
 
@Zane Your mom is sad.
 
8:54 PM
We potty trained both of our boys to sit
And then the daycares taught them to do it standing and ... yeah, the house had carpet in a bathroom. That was ummm an unfortunate choice
 
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