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@billinkc I knew I had seen something like that
 
I'm a big fan of Tom's writing and he had just revisited the topic the other day
 
thanks
 
 
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gbn
6:36 AM
morning all
 
7:09 AM
good morning
 
 
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9:13 AM
@jcolebrand there's more to TFS, it's really good if you learn its quirks. It's a complete ALM environment (continuous integration + source control + bug tracker + project management tool). Also what @MarkStorey-Smith says: problems can be caused by gated check ins, wrong branch, shelve instead of check in..etc :). So stop blaming to tool, learn it.
 
@Marian I don't get this class of problem nearly as often with (say) subversion.
 
LEARN TO LOVE IT!
 
btw - has anything arrived yet?
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells I didn't have problems with missing check ins, I was just expanding his area of troubleshooting. I do love TFS :).
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells nope, the postman is probably drunk.
or my office's secretary is hiding the papers from me :)
 
@Marian This is me expressing my opinion about TFS and what might constitute a better alternative. As an aside, it's what got @MarkStoreySmith to invite me into the heap. The rest is history ...
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A: Why should I use Visual Studio 2010 over SSMS for my database development?

ConcernedOfTunbridgeWellsActually I was a bit underwhelmed with VS2010, to be honest. I think an old-school create table script and files for stored procedures are easier to work with. If you need schema management then you can get Redgate SQL Compare Pro for a few hundred dollars. If you really need a database modell...

 
9:20 AM
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells nice question and answers there, wonder how the hell I've missed it.
 
@Marian @MarkStorey-Smith also made a good Pro-TFS argument later in the answers.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells I voted his answer only because it's PRO-TFS..for yours..I'm still thinking :P.
 
Who on earth can know (apart from you)? You provide some vague details here but nothing concrete. The tool you use, a small part of your source file, structure of target table etc. are the very basics for this question to be answerable. Furthermore less stars and more caps would help reading this stuff. — dezso 10 secs ago
 
@dezso that's going to be a hell of an edit job, if anyone dares touch his phrase
 
@Marian Let's see first if he comes back and provide details
 
9:59 AM
What is being asked here?
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Q: Need algorithm for finding the longest prefix

Korjavin IvanI have two tables. First one is a table with prefixes code name price 343 ek1 10 3435 nt 4 4332 ek2 2 Second is call records with phone numbers number time 834353212 10 834321242 20 834312345 30 I need write a script which find longest prefix from prefixes for...

 
10:18 AM
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells TFS aside, you should give SSDT a look when you're next meddling with SQL Server
 
10:40 AM
the prefix has to be at the beginning, right? — dezso 18 mins ago
@dezso yes..otherwise it's a suffix :P
 
Wow The size of one row must be 1.6 terabytes
 
@Marian sure, but after the original version one has to be sure :D
@ypercube really? who? where?
 
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Q: Inserting large no. of record and large size of record

NayDear database admin, I would like to request some questions for my database. In our table, 13 fields are included. The size of one row must be 1.6 terabytes.One row include the below fields: bytea type = 2 columns, char type = 4 columns, int type = 1 column, timestamp = 2 column , varchar...

I wonder how many rows he expects to have with "HardDisk 292 GB"
 
@ypercube eh, he has a small drive to work with :).
 
Well, a 1.6 TB row will flow down to the floor in the server room if you have only 292 GB disk space... — dezso 10 secs ago
 
10:48 AM
ahh, fun emails in the morning
A SO user soliciting my help with MySQL
 
@bluefeet ah, nice! hopefully it's paid, right?
 
@Marian oh it doesn't sound like it. I told them of of course I will help for my normal consultation fees
we will see if I get a response
 
@Marian Even with compression, no idea if 1TB is allowed in Postgres
 
@dezso are you sure he has a server room? By the sound of it (292 GB of free space) looks more like his laptop/workstation.. :).
 
@bluefeet Is the name LIKE 'Flo%' ?
 
10:52 AM
@ypercube yes, did you get one?
 
Yep
 
LOL
making the rounds
 
11:05 AM
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Q: SQL query with lots of JOIN conditions is very slow

KenDI've inherited a (MS SQL 2008R2) project that, amongst other things, does a table update from another table: Table1 (with around 150,000 rows) has 3 phone number fields (Tel1,Tel2,Tel3) Table2 (with around 20,000 rows) has 3 phone number fields (Tel1,Tel2,Tel3) .. and when any of those number...

look at that JOIN
 
11:22 AM
@ypercube I've seen a fairly old blurb on the PG web site suggesting somebody had 960GB in a production PG database.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells In one row?
 
@MarkStorey-Smith I was even more underwhelmed with the DB schema tooling in SSDT than I was with TFS TBH. Maybe they've fixed it with 2012.
@ypercube Probably not.
It does support BLOBs though, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a 2**31 or 2**32 byte limit.
1TB in 1 row is kinda silly for a database.
 
This article says 1 or 2 GB (TOAST vs OID) but it doesn't say which version is for: microolap.com/products/connectivity/postgresdac/help/…
 
@ypercube Gods the woman on their front page looks frightening.
 
Postgres says TOAST has 1GB limit.
 
11:44 AM
Here it is, I said it: fragmentation is not the root of all evil. Measure first. dba.stackexchange.com/a/43429/708 kthxbye
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12:17 PM
lol, Remus in verbose mode :).
 
12:29 PM
@RemusRusanu +1 cause i have no idea what you're talking about
 
@FreshPrinceOfSO I'm not sure you want to have that kind of conversation with him :).
 
@Marian +1 cause i understand 100% of what he's talking about
 
@FreshPrinceOfSO no coffee yet, right? :)
 
@Marian Or too much coffee.
 
@Marian @ypercube don't drink coffee
 
12:34 PM
@FreshPrinceOfSO you should start.
 
That makes Marian correct. No coffee yet.
 
@ypercube Implying that I will have coffee is not correct ;)
@Marian tried once, spit it out
 
I read no implies.
 
@FreshPrinceOfSO never had a good one, then? poor you..
 
12:57 PM
@Marian i like frappucinos
 
gbn
@FreshPrinceOfSO I read from the bottom of the page up and had completely the wrong idea for a moment then
And in other news... Malta version of dbareactions pastizz.tumblr.com
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@gbn bottom up approach is usually tastier
 
in what century is that country? :)
 
gbn
@Marian One of the previous ones
As yet undecided
And local news reports on some medals they won in this...
The Games of the Small States of Europe (GSSE) is a biennial, multi-sport event, launched by the Republic of San Marino, organized by and featuring the National Olympic Committees of eight European small states since 1985. The Games are currently held at the beginning of June, and feature competition in nine Summer Olympic sports. The 14th edition of the Games took place in June 2011 in Liechtenstein. Member countries The games are organized by the members of the European Olympic Committees (EOC). From its initial forming at the 1984 Olympics through 2009 there were eight members; the g...
 
1:17 PM
@Marian interesting
 
@FreshPrinceOfSO this is interesting.
 
@Marian i ... want .. to . think that reference is what i think it is
@gbn ever have this problem?
 
@FreshPrinceOfSO :D not actually. This is the real reference.
 
gbn
@FreshPrinceOfSO The Maltese do lots of loud fireworks. We ahve them going off most nights somewhere. The national pastime is blowing themselves up in illegal fireworks factories
 
@Marian damn
 
gbn
1:23 PM
@FreshPrinceOfSO yep. We have services like this: maltapost.com/sendon
 
@gbn well aren't you special
 
gbn
And bloke takes a van to Ikea on Sicily every now and then, gets orders from the islanders maltashopper.com
 
gbn
@FreshPrinceOfSO A really shit nightclub
Paceville is where all the sin is here
 
@gbn the only nightclub?
 
gbn
1:26 PM
nah, a whole area
 
@gbn just scrolled passed one
something about a queue
here i thought a queue was first in last out
nevermind that's a stack
 
gbn
The Gozo-Malta ferry
 
damn there's only 5 pages
i can't learn the culture in 5 pages
 
gbn
New
This is Paceville
 
@gbn do you speak maltese fluently?
 
gbn
1:31 PM
@FreshPrinceOfSO God know
It is bastard Arabic with a Latin Alphabet. With added Sicilian, some French, lot of English, and English spelt Maltese-phonetic
 
> The mobile penetration rate in Malta stood at 101.3% as at the end of 2009.
how does penetration exceed 100%
 
gbn
Easily in most West European countries
 
@FreshPrinceOfSO more than 1 SIM card per capita.
 
looks like they have obama care there
 
gbn
1:33 PM
 
i don't think penetration is the right word here
 
gbn
I have 4 SIM cards: 1 UK, 1 Swiss, 1 daily Maltese, 1 guest Maltese for visitors
Easily done
 
@gbn you have 400% penetration?
 
gbn
The USA is backwards compared to most other places in mobile phone usage. Because of "pay pre received call" and CDMA
@FreshPrinceOfSO 200% = spit roast, 300% = airtight, 400% = ?
 
@gbn let's make a poll
 
1:42 PM
@FreshPrinceOfSO that's what she said
 
JNK
@gbn Oh i meant to tell you I met some folks from Malta last week
They live in CT now but they have family in Malta still
 
All I know about Malta is that's where Falcons come from.
 
JNK
nice
 
@CadeRoux all i know about malta is they have a penetration greater than 100%
 
gbn
@JNK ah you did but I didn't reply sorry. There is a big diaspora of Maltese
 
1:48 PM
Do Maltesers come from Malta? I LOVE Maltesers.
@FreshPrinceOfSO Entirely too much penetration on the back side.
 
gbn
@CadeRoux As much as Merkins exist in the wild in the US of A
 
Nice hint from Tripadvisor. Not bad..
 
That does not look like professional stripper footwear to me.
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From what I hear
So is Malta mainly known as a party destination? Is that year round?
 
gbn
2:03 PM
@CadeRoux actually no
Mainly an older tourist crowd + English language students from all over Europe
Trying to be Singapore I think
 
@CadeRoux want to star this so bad
 
@FreshPrinceOfSO here, I helped you decide :).
 
2:27 PM
We have a cube and wish to implement dynamic security, much like is discussed on richardlees.blogspot.com/2010/10/ssas-dynamic-security.html
This client has achieved growth through acquiring a lot of companies so their AD is a curious beast
All the documentation says my account is bluent\username but they have blue.com blue.net and bfdw.com domain names and some resources are behind one of those portals (vpn) while email is hosted on another.
If I use a tool like adexplorer or just remote desktop into one of their assets, it sure looks like my fully qualified domain account would be yellow.com\username
But the properties show my accounts distinguished name being cn=user,dc=blue,dc=com but the schema itself is DC=blue,DC=net
 
> As an example of incorrect terms in T-SQL, people often use the terms “field” and “record” to refer to what T-SQL calls “column” and “row,” respectively. Fields and records are physical. Fields are what you have in user interfaces in client applications, and records are what you have in files and cursors. Tables are logical, and they have logical rows and columns.
from the querying sql server book
 
JNK
@FreshPrinceOfSO that's a Ben Gan quote right?
 
So confusing. Anyways, lots of text to arrive at: anyone know what is going to be presented from the security site of the equation when they access the cube? I have AD users ready to store into a table but not sure what domain to prefix them with
 
@JNK ding ding ding
 
looks like a sane idea
if you send it to power off maybe you can do a kill -9 <pid> to do it ... then when you know that postgres is down you can start it again..... — maniat1k 22 mins ago
 
2:36 PM
@FreshPrinceOfSO i quoted that in here during the last flare-up
and @AaronBertrand referenced it
in his answer
 
> Another example of an incorrect term is referring to “NULL values.” A NULL is a mark for a missing value—not a value itself. Hence, the correct usage of the term is either “NULL mark” or just “NULL.”
 
@FreshPrinceOfSO btw ... my impression of you is that you could probably pass this test without reading :)
 
@swasheck yes, my impression too. He could pass it without even reading the test.
(what test?)
 
@swasheck i just get paranoid
that i'll go in and misread or jump to an answer
 
@Marian 70-461
@FreshPrinceOfSO the practice exam really seems to focus on paying attention
 
2:47 PM
@Marian more worried about the dba test
 
select employeeid from hr.employees where lastname=@firstname and firstname=@lastname is incorrect
 
@FreshPrinceOfSO That's what I used to say, too.
 
@swasheck i figure i may pick up some new terminology or concepts
 
Until I read the SQL manual:
> 3.1.1.12 null value
> special value that is used to indicate the absence of any data value
 
didn't know that in order for a query to be relational, it must be DISTINCT
figured it was inherently relational (if normalized)
 
JNK
2:49 PM
anybody have some time to talk about SS deadlocks?
 
@JNK secret service?
 
JNK
not everyone lives near Ronald Reagan, FP
#FreshPrinceOfBelAirReference
 
@JNK #hashtagsdontworkontheheap
 
JNK
yeah I know
so that's a no to deadlocks then
 
2:50 PM
@swasheck Looks fine to me. I like to give parameters misleading names to ensure people read the method's documentation
 
@JNK we all live near a Ronald Reagan something or another.
 
i know about goldilocks, if that helps, @JNK
 
JNK
it doesn't but thanks
 
@billinkc right ... but the "correct" answer has the parameters in a more predictable order
 
Your mom's in a predictable order
 
2:52 PM
you mean the ice queen?
 
JNK
Tilda Swinton?
 
@JNK tilda swinton is not my mom, but my mom could have played that character without even acting
 
That took an odd turn.
 
ZOMG, I do this efficient thing and when I do the opposite with SSIS, it's so much slower. M$ $UCK$
 
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A: How to set SQL Server index pages per fragment?

Remus RusanuFirst and foremost you should asses the impact of fragmentation. Much too often fragmentation is painted as the ultimate evil cause of all the server problems w/o any consideration of its actual impact. Fragmentation impacts several aspects: Slow down scans due to impact on read-ahead efficienc...

do we edit remus' asses to assess?
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3:02 PM
"Don't worry about the normalization part" is like saying don't worry about that flat tire on your car, it'll drive fine. — FreshPrinceOfSO 46 secs ago
 
@swasheck done (see edit comment)
 
@dezso lol
 
@dezso thanks. i just thought i remembered hearing about some "don't do minor edit" movement
 
and Erwin's post hit the low qual queue
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A: Need algorithm for finding the longest prefix

Erwin BrandstetterSELECT DISTINCT ON (1) n.number, p.code FROM num n JOIN prefix p ON right(n.number, -1) LIKE (p.code || '%') ORDER BY n.number, p.code DESC

 
@swasheck what about the anathema? (please don't edit it out)
 
3:08 PM
@dezso probably because it is code only
 
@swasheck don't encourage minor edits, you probably mean :)
@bluefeet sure, just unusual
 
@Lamak i got hung up on the asses, so to speak
 
@swasheck I hear ya. I like big butts and I cannot lie
 
@dezso what is that DISTINCT ON?
@billinkc you other DBAs can't deny
 
JNK
woot I think I found my issue
 
3:10 PM
@JNK with service broker?
 
JNK
broker I am good with now
with deadlocks
if you want the whole horror story I can give it to you
 
@JNK blog?
 
JNK
but basically my broker app calls this other beastly app and it was causing deadlocks because of the high concurrency
nah too proprietary
just the nightmare of interactions in this thing
My Broker app sends data from a warehouse server to another server and merges new data into an existing DB
For an insert/update there, though, theres a ton of extra shit that gets called
 
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JNK
there's a stored proc that gets called in a trigger whenever this one high volume table gets updated/inserted
and it calls a table function 3 times with different parameters
and joins two views
all of which have aggregations in them and one of which has a window function that it filters on, the ORDER BY of which is ABS(dollaramt)
that ABS gets called in the function that is called 3 times
ive learned a lot about how not to do stuff
 
3:14 PM
@JNK so, very efficient
 
JNK
most of this though just grew organically
 
@JNK Maintenance and enhancements work does that for you.
 
> Rows for which the predicate evaluates to false, or evaluates to an unknown state, are not returned.
this needs to be reinforced more
 
JNK
so it started fine, then the users asked for something and something else
in our environment we are pretty restricted in what we can change too
this is an internal app but it's like the core of the business to a large degree, it tracks every activity that makes us money
and nobody on the business side enforces any rules so there are people using functionality that should have been deprecated 5 years ago
 
@swasheck DISTINCT ON (a) is a Postgres shortcut for the (... ROW_NUMBER() OVER (PARTITION BY a) AS Rn ... ) WHERE Rn=1
 
3:16 PM
@FreshPrinceOfSO didn't know it's so dangerous to be a programmer in US. So take care..
 
@FreshPrinceOfSO you are a fool (not my words)
alright, i'll follow ypercube and marc_s advice, FreshPrinceOfSO your a fool — CogentP 3 mins ago
 
@Marian i think the moral of that story is that it's okay to take source code with you after you leave a company.. as long as you're not reusing it for profit
@CogentP That's what she said! — FreshPrinceOfSO 5 secs ago
@billinkc nice
 
Having nothing useful to contribute has never been a factor in restricting my behaviour ;)
 
haha
i doubt the OP will understand
i should have said something like, "i'm sorry you don't own a car" .. meh
 
@FreshPrinceOfSO looks more like revenge trial to me, more like a movie than a real story.
 
3:22 PM
@Marian i agree
 
@ypercube excelent. what are your thoughts on ouzo?
 
@Lamak flagged! my first flag on a SO comment..ever :).
 
@Marian hopefully the first of many
 
@Lamak I really don't get the fool's rage message. FP was nice..
 
@Marian you should get a badge for that
 
3:30 PM
@Marian I would say he was nicer
 
@swasheck I don't like it much. Prefer wine.
 
@ypercube completely agree
@Lamak so are we going to VtC that question? @FreshPrinceOfSO?
 
@swasheck let's does it
@ypercube ha
 
@CogentP do you really expect others to help you while yelling at them 'You are fool' - oh sorry, 'your a fool'? — dezso 3 mins ago
 
gbn
3:40 PM
This guy is annoying me now
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Q: Replace substring specifically at the end of the character string in SQL

Jay Jay JayIn T-SQL, how do I replace the occurrence of a substring only at the end of a character string (varchar)? For example: If I were to do the operation with substring violence on character string 'violence begets violence', the result would be 'violence begets ' Some other examples are 1)'the f...

Changed the samples twice, each one getting more complex
 
:(. No single line answer? I wanted to be able to use it in another query. — Jay Jay Jay 8 mins ago
 
@swasheck what an annoying username
 
@gbn DAMMIT JIM! I'm a DBA not a miracle worker
 
gbn
@swasheck There is a difference?
 
3:43 PM
@gbn touché
 
With mathematics! — Grant Thomas 1 min ago
 
yay for basic math! — nathan hayfield 1 min ago
 
@swasheck voted
 
alright, i'll follow ypercube and marc_s advice, FreshPrinceOfSO your a fool — CogentP 32 mins ago
Few things I like more than poor spelling in a insult.
 
@Zane a little late for the party :-)
29 mins ago, by Lamak
alright, i'll follow ypercube and marc_s advice, FreshPrinceOfSO your a fool — CogentP 3 mins ago
 
3:47 PM
Sorry I was out smoking.
 
gbn
ok folks, end of my day. See y'all
 
@Zane that's a bad habit, you miss things on the hep
 
how's that for an edit
@gbn please, don't go
 
Did you see the suggested answer?
 
gbn
3:49 PM
he he
 
@FreshPrinceOfSO great. now youtube is going to start making custom channels for me based on that crap
 
@swasheck not my fault you're signed in and/or have cookies enabled
 
Video by Kendra Little: Bad DBA Job Detector Test
Great question at 21:16 Do you want to be a DBA and an astronaut?
 
@FreshPrinceOfSO true
 
@swasheck you don't have access to imgur but can go to youtube?
 
3:54 PM
@Lamak exactly
 
you guys are weird
 
@Lamak lies.
 
@Zane I'm no liar!
well, actually, I lied
 
lol
 
3:59 PM
Every "explanation" is more confusing than before.
Thanks both @ypercube,@Jon Seigel: I want to know Is it necessary/mandatory that always distributed Database will be spatial database(a database handles 3D objects. ie. more complex )? — Diganta 1 min ago
 
please vtc
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Q: Database Server Parameters that can be tuned in MS SQL 2012

srjAny url or whitepapers on the database server parameters that can be tuned in MS SQL 2012 ?

 
This conversation is causing my brain to bleed.
I've been coding this way since 85 and I don't want to learn all of this can I just do it my way.
I want to jump over this wall and yell. No! No you can't!
 
4:32 PM
@Zane where?
 
4:52 PM
In the cube next to mine.
 
JNK
woot I solved my deadlock issue
happy dance
 
what did you do?
 
JNK
changed locking granularity in some indexes
 
this one reminds me of @AaronBertrand
 
JNK
biggest one was the table that gets updated in every single transaction from a trigger had row and page locks disabled on the clustered index
so every single write was locking the table
 
convert an Oracle DB to MS Access to then convert to MySQL.
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Q: From Oracle to MS-Access to Mysql

user2432708I have a client with close to 120,000,000 records in an Oracle database. Their engineer claims they can only give us a ms access dump of their database. The data will actually be going into an MySQL relational database instance. What potential issues and problems can we expect moving from O...

Good Luck with that
 
Hahaha!
 
access has a size restriction that could kill this
 
@JNK ouch!
@JNK why would you do such thing?
 
JNK
yeah access DBs just corrupt and die at 2gb
@Marian no idea, this is some legacy code the CIO wrote without code review and just put into production over a weekend 5 years back
they have been getting deadlocks all the time and couldn't figure out why
 
5:09 PM
@JNK yeah I have tons of experience with that. We had a db that we split into 3 separate DBs to get around the 2gb issue and we still corrupted all the time
 
JNK
but nobody really looked at it too deeply
@bluefeet our core app is access
 
@JNK sorry
I developed solely in access up until a few years ago.
 
JNK
its a necessary evil for us
 
if you can call working in access, development
 
JNK
it allows the business analysts to develop without needing a build cycle
 
5:13 PM
@bluefeet He's not going to move it to Access. Chances are whoever told him that has no clue. It's probably just going to be a flat file of some sort or Several Flat files.
 
JNK
I had to deal with a clueless oracle dba before
From Kaiser Permanente actually
I think someone in here used to work for them
 
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Q: deploy java code and website on server

user1314404I wrote some java code using jsoup, basically it help me to get a final link http://example.com/ to the new webpage. So now I know I can use : <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; url=http://example.com/"> in my index.html to redirect my website when people go in my page. But what I need to do ...

Eww.
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Q: Export from SQL Server to Excel

Vladi TropI'm trying to do export from SQL Server 2008 to Excel with order by (through a query) inside and I get a syntax error. Please tell what am I missing (I know for sure it's related to ORDER BY and it's something small): CREATE TABLE `Z_STOCK_PARTNERS_2` ( `Date` DateTime, `Partner` LongText, `Wei...

Time to find a new job.
 
You're trolling us right? — Zane 2 mins ago
 
5:39 PM
@FreshPrinceOfSO I refuse to beleive he's just that incompitent.
 
@Zane Is there any other explanation for not having solved this, in 14 days? stackoverflow.com/questions/16610381/…
 
Really?, weird:
@Lamak I was not trying to give a perfect solution to this problem. The intent of my post was to show that you can use functions in the join condition. — G Mastros 1 min ago
 
5:56 PM
@FreshPrinceOfSO Apparently, he enjoyed your comment.
i don't expect it. in fact i knew it was going to happen, so i added a little disclaimer on my question. but after @FreshPrinceOfSO "thats what she said" made me laugh, i'm going to withdraw my previous comment! — CogentP 2 hours ago
 
@ypercube well there you have it. There exists a person of this level of incompetence.
 
6:24 PM
@Zane my comment was flagged and removed. i am teh pi$$ored
 
@swasheck which comment?
 
@Zane i said something along the lines of ensuring that when you insult someone that you do it in a grammatically correct fashion. also, FPSO was proposing the same thing that ypercube and marc_s were and so cogent's comment made no sense.
 
6:44 PM
Gotcha.
 
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