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Mosho
8:13 PM
strong name
m59
heh is it?
Mosho
presumptuous :P
m59
uhh...I didn't mean it to be.
Mosho
just me I guess
m59
I mean, it's good to know things, right?
It is my hope that when people discuss, something is gained.
Mosho
8:14 PM
depends on your definitions
m59
So, that's what I had in mind.
So, you said that the question of whether God exists can't be answered.
Is that true?
Mosho
my definition of existence is something I perceive to exist
and I can't perceive god, I think
m59
How'd you decide that you should define it that way?
Mosho
my senses are the only tool I have for the purpose
m59
Is that true?
Mosho
8:20 PM
yes
m59
How do you know?
Mosho
that's my conclusion after my years of living
m59
But, based on what? I mean, why conclude that vs. something else?
Mosho
those are the only endpoints of my conciousness as far as I can tell
m59
So, you have no choice?
Mosho
8:25 PM
what do you mean
m59
Oh, I misunderstood.
But what are you using to "tell"?
Mosho
you have to start with something
you make some base assumption or assumptions, axioms if you will
m59
Yes! Absolutely.
So, the question, then, is what should we start from?
I mean, if my assumption is that you're a jerk, so I conclude to hate you, is that ok?
That doesn't mean you are a jerk or that it's good for me to hate you, right?
Mosho
it means that to you, subjectively, I am a jerk and hating me is a valid response to that conclusion
m59
I don't think you agree with that.
Mosho
8:30 PM
why not
m59
Is whatever people do ok with you?
Mosho
absolutely
people are the sum of their attributes and experiences
their trajectory is the same of a ball or atom or planet
m59
So, if I were to beat my beautiful, caring wife to death right now, you don't find that I did anything wrong?
Mosho
of course I would
because I have my notions of right and wrong
m59
Oh sure, to you, but you couldn't tell me any different.
What's wrong with me killing people?
Also, why do you care?
Mosho
8:34 PM
take your argument across the pond
m59
If I'm just stuff interacting with stuff like stuff does, why do you care at all?
Mosho
where they kill people for reasons that to us would be totally wrong
but to them it's right
m59
I don't use my own sense of judgement, so I can't participate in that discussion.
Mosho
@m59 I am programmed to care
by my life
m59
How do you know that?
Mosho
8:36 PM
regrettably someone is picking me up :X but we should continue later
m59
sure thing.
Mosho
o/
m59
\o
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