strong name

heh is it?

presumptuous :P

uhh...I didn't mean it to be.

just me I guess

I mean, it's good to know things, right?

It is my hope that when people discuss, something is gained.

depends on your definitions

So, that's what I had in mind.

So, you said that the question of whether God exists can't be answered.

Is that true?

my definition of existence is something I perceive to exist

and I can't perceive god, I think

How'd you decide that you should define it that way?

my senses are the only tool I have for the purpose

Is that true?

yes

How do you know?

that's my conclusion after my years of living

But, based on what? I mean, why conclude that vs. something else?

those are the only endpoints of my conciousness as far as I can tell

So, you have no choice?

what do you mean

Oh, I misunderstood.

But what are you using to "tell"?

you have to start with something

you make some base assumption or assumptions, axioms if you will

Yes! Absolutely.

So, the question, then, is what should we start from?

I mean, if my assumption is that you're a jerk, so I conclude to hate you, is that ok?

That doesn't mean you are a jerk or that it's good for me to hate you, right?

it means that to you, subjectively, I am a jerk and hating me is a valid response to that conclusion

I don't think you agree with that.

why not

Is whatever people do ok with you?

absolutely

people are the sum of their attributes and experiences

their trajectory is the same of a ball or atom or planet

So, if I were to beat my beautiful, caring wife to death right now, you don't find that I did anything wrong?

of course I would

because I have my notions of right and wrong

Oh sure, to you, but you couldn't tell me any different.

What's wrong with me killing people?

Also, why do you care?

take your argument across the pond

If I'm just stuff interacting with stuff like stuff does, why do you care at all?

where they kill people for reasons that to us would be totally wrong

but to them it's right

I don't use my own sense of judgement, so I can't participate in that discussion.

@m59 I am programmed to care

by my life

How do you know that?

regrettably someone is picking me up :X but we should continue later

sure thing.

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