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Q: Dealing with problem sandbox users

sphenningsSince switching over to the new sandbox it's use has been dominated by two users. They have proposed a number of questions that have been negatively received. Many of these questions have either been pointed out as being probably a duplicate or have suggestions of how to modify the questions to a...

 
@kingledion I remember working on porting models to run on A-IX on the new Risc System 6000. Modflow in particular. Horrors— trying to emulate dynamic memory management in arrays in Fortran!
@kingledion git has only been around for a few years…that must make you like what? A toddler?
 
 
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@JDługosz Yes, it sounds weird
Morning WorldBuilding!
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Questions

SeparatrixA post-apocalyptic industrial revolution It's been a couple of thousand years since humanity bombed itself back to the stone age. Most places are now safe to travel through but there's barely any sign of the old cities, new ones have sprung up in their place. The population is recovering, the fo...

 
 
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10:14 AM
Guten Tag!
@JDługosz, @James, @JourneymanGeek, @Everyone!
 
10:36 AM
oh and @Secespitus
too
 
Guten Morgen @RedactedRedacted ;)
 
Where's the Feed?
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Q: Dealing with problem sandbox users

sphenningsSince switching over to the new sandbox its use has been dominated by two users. They have proposed a number of questions that have been negatively received. Many of these questions have either been pointed out as being probably a duplicate or have suggestions of how to modify the questions to a ...

But take a look at it
 
@RedactedRedacted There is no Feed for answers to every post. Only to the Sandbox
 
Ok
Oh, I see now, it only Feeds question
from the meta
 
Okay, so you've officially declared yourself a troll.
 
10:46 AM
Indeed.
 
Now you already have two downvotes on that post. If you go on like that we can see how many negative answers you need to get answer banned on Meta...
You shouldn't expect too much feedback from me from now on.
 
I jsut wanted to try out the omnipotence paradox: Sybill edition
If I can judge myself
 
11:32 AM
@RedactedRedacted can you state what it is for the readers of this room? Assume nobody will watchnthe video just to find out what you’re talking about.
@RedactedRedacted What? Why did you ping us with no content?
 
Why you pinged me thrice? It's almost ear rape for me!
 
@RedactedRedacted Jó nap!
@RedactedRedacted what?!
 
Also, why Secespitus said, that I'm "officially declared myself as a troll?
Also, Broken magyar is not good.
It's Jó napot.
 
@RedactedRedacted because of your comment worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/55663/… you said that your remark «Also, I'm a genetic engineer» is an “obvious troll”.
 
Everybody was that, once
But it was really just sarcasm
 
11:44 AM
@RedactedRedacted listen. I don't know how serious you are being with some of the questions/answers/comments you put up on here. But many of the people do, indeed, take this hobby seriously. They enjoy doing this stuff and enjoy helping others. So if someone drops by that just seems to roll for the giggles, people will eventually get upset. If you're trolling, then fine, there's the door (marked with a friendly x) - show yourself out and go bother someone else.
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Have you even read the answer?
 
@dot_Sp0T Perfect summary
 
Do you even realize, how long it took to gather all intel?
 
@RedactedRedacted and did not answer the query. Since your profile lacks any useful detail, I'll make something up to share my mental image. Score me +5 for on-the-nose random detail +3 for pretty good in right concept, 0 for could-be-anyone, -2 for misses, -5 for specific detail miss. OK?
 
What are you talking about?
@JDługosz
 
11:47 AM
@RedactedRedacted you mean preparing for writing an answer? YES indeed. See all the high-quality informative posts around here? People put work into them.
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Months passed when this concept was silently developed.
Along with the plasma weapons
 
@RedactedRedacted I'll say what I’m guessing about you, and you score the results. If others want to play, let them post before giving the score.
 
@JDługosz I'd love to, but we have a "Be nice" policy
 
@JDługosz just, in case you feel like using them, don't use any profanities :)
 
@dot_Sp0T Great minds think alike :D
 
11:51 AM
@Secespitus 10/10 would post again #D
 
@Secespitus it's mostly about keeping to a baseline
 
@kingledion I did some poking around and found that the reason that MITgcm recompile s each time is because the code allows you to inject your own code for your simulation.
I was looking at the atmospheric simulation and there's a little *.F file for forcing. Bleh.
Compiling someone else's code then executing it seems like a security nightmare waiting to happen.
 
@Green that's what you're getting everytime you use a library you haven't written yourself. You never know if there ain't a line somewhere opening a socket connection and pushing all your data to a server in Syberia
 
Ok, my mental image of User 32097 is: 14-year-old male, currently on school break. Staying, if not at home, at least somwhere in the same general longitude (eastern europe) but not in the UK. Native language is Magyar, but was exposed to American English at an early age, either via family members or lived somewhere else. …continues
Been into roll playing games for 2 1/2 years; Playstation as long as you can remember. Favored reading material is RPG stuff — don’t know what to call it — but things to incorporate into the scenareos you build, often with some story context.
 
@JDługosz I think that's about right.
 
12:05 PM
… bilingual, but goes to a school system that did not cover English Composition.
Also draws artwork.
Sometimes posts on an iPhone (as opposed to Android)
Lives in the city or suburb, heavier than what we call suburbs here though.
 
@dot_Sp0T Good point. There's probably a way to lock down what that code can do super duper hard so if there are shenanigans, they won't get far.
 
@JDługosz golly cheeseflips, you gotta pull one of these on me!
 
Oldest kid, has a younger sister. Close to a relative like an aunt or great aunt?
So… anyone else want to play before he scores it?
 
@JDługosz TL; DR: WRONG
I have A Wii
But I watch youtube videos on it.
Also, don't dare to associate me with filthy console peasants
 
Picked on at school though not a ton. Smart enough to exploit WB mechanics but not empathetic enough to consider other people's time.
 
12:11 PM
I disagree on the reading material - doesn't read much, spends that time watching Anime
 
Favorite Youtuber: Austin of Shoddy Cast
 
@Secespitus agreed.
 
@dot_Sp0T well, you need to update your profile page since you got the new domain.
 
@Green A bit close, but doesn't cross the Lolumbine Treshold.
 
@JDługosz Will you do an analysis on everyone on the chat?
 
12:13 PM
Humor: "You see, it's all a show people laughing as you go, but remember, that the last laugh is on you."
 
@JDługosz oh no, I should just put up some DNS entries whenever I get time
 
@RedactedRedacted I never would have guessed! Pegged you for Playstation but dislike Xbox. I got my parents a wii for Christmas BTW.
@Green be nice. And focus on deductions, not primary observations.
 
@JDługosz I don't have an iPhone, those are for spoiled, Apple praising kids.
But an android
I have a tendency to mess up chat edits, because some idiot thought that 0.001% color difference is more than enough for a readable text.
 
@Secespitus no, I have not really paid attention; only the helping with post feedback and the stuff dumped on chat has given impressions. For people discussing work, there's no guessing needed.
 
@JDługosz ah c'mon, please do me
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12:19 PM
@RedactedRedacted what about everything else? Total score?
 
(Yes that came out wrong, no I'm sticking to what I said)
 
@JDługosz About me?
 
@dot_Sp0T you’d be surprised how often I heard that in my younger days.
 
@JDługosz I sadly don't get to hear it that often at all :/
 
14-year-old male, (15) currently on school break. I guess, yep.
 
12:21 PM
@FutureHistorian it appears to be a blurry top view of the president. He seems to be thinking fondly of a woman in New York. — Harper 9 hours ago
laughs
 
@JDługosz
 
Now that is just hilarious.
 
Well, if @RedactedRedacted will tell me the rest of the hits/misses, I'll see if I want to do another.
And that will give me time to hack into dot_Spot…
 
So?
What just happened?
Besides that hilarious comment?
 
but things to incorporate into the scenareos you build, often with some story context. That's only either Dragonlance or Wh 40k, others are too boring/mainstream
Oldest kid (right), has a younger sister. Close to a relative like an aunt or great aunt? (NEGATIVE)
 
12:24 PM
@RedactedRedacted close enough I guess — birthday can be any month so that gives some leeway on exact number. What about family?
 
The language was easy — you posted a video link that you said was your native language.
 
Excuse me, but......what is the conversation about?
 
@FutureHistorian We are doing a personality profile on Redacted.
 
@FutureHistorian just scroll up, it's a sort-of intervention
 
12:25 PM
@FutureHistorian It started around here
 
same general longitude (eastern europe ) but not in the UK. Native language is Magyar, but was exposed to American English at an early age (wrong: always), either via family members (wrong: The INTERNET) or lived somewhere else. (WRONG)…continues
@JDługosz
 
Spelling is American English, but formal education would have used British; you don’t have telltale syntax mistakes; so you learned English organically at a young age.
 
Well, I am curious now. About the earlier question, I need one more vote to reopen.
You think that screenshot is enough? Or I need another one?
 
bilingual, but goes to a school system that did not cover English Composition. (yet)
Also draws artwork. (couldn't be further from the truth)
Sometimes posts on an iPhone (as opposed to Android)(wrong, it's a horrible platform to post from)
Lives in the city or suburb, heavier than what we call suburbs here though.
 
12:29 PM
By always you mean you have always been exposed to English on the Internet? I didn’t mean only at a young age, just that you first learned it very young.
 
Smart enough to exploit WB mechanics (No, I'm not) but not empathetic enough to consider other people's time. (Considering, that this place is worldwide... I can't)
@JDługosz Progressively.
Still learning though.
 
Current location: what time do you start chatting/posting? Consistent with GMT through UTC+3. But if in the UK would have influenced language more.
 
@JDługosz? I added two more screenshots to my earlier question. :P
 
@Green tried to do a SherlockHolmes thing.
 
Lives in the city or suburb, heavier than what we call suburbs here though.
(wrong: village, population is 538)
 
12:33 PM
@FutureHistorian which question?
 
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Q: Would the US as a nation cease to exist if a nuclear terrorist attack struck it in 2018?

Future HistorianAlright, so since the earlier question turned out to be too broad, I am going to ask a different one now. Here is the scenario from the earlier question: "So, a little thing that propped into my head was an interesting idea I had. So, let us say it is the year 2018, and a bunch of Iranian terro...

This one.
:P
 
@dot_Sp0T, I've been testing your bitshift idea of chopping off the bottom smallest five bits of information to get rid of the variation in the image data. Some of my values lie right on the boundary between bits. (ie 32 and 31 --> 4 and 3) Helpful but doesn't solve the problem.
 
@Green did you chop from the correct side?
 
@dot_Sp0T Yeah, I chopped the three least significant bits.
>>> 30 >> 3
 
@RedactedRedacted very interesting… maybe (whole village) comes to me as the feeling of an apartment building where you are close to a lot of neighbors. I'm not experienced with different ways of life in the world. But I was thinking of the building where my mother in law lives, everyone facing a common courtyard and leaving their doors open.
 
12:36 PM
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@Green so you still get reds and other colours that are too close to each other? hmmm :/
 
@dot_Sp0T I'll keep at it and let you know what I come up with.
 
@Green have fun, I'm positively enthusiastic for the results
 
@JDługosz You have a pretty detailed mental image
 
@dot_Sp0T me too!
 
12:37 PM
@Green you need noise elimination algorithms. Use hysteresis around the cutoff value rather than just truncating.
 
So, @Secespitus?
Think they have a point?
Even with all the screenshots I posted?
 
@JDługosz I'll have a look. Numpy surely has something for hysteresis.
 
That is my only concern right now.
And besides, I am curious.
 
@FutureHistorian dot_sp0t reopened your post
 
Oh. How convenient.
:P
 
12:39 PM
@FutureHistorian mightbe useful if you could paraphrase the information in the screenshots in case someone can't see them or needs to use an auto-translator to understand the question
@Secespitus how did you know?
 
@Green well, if you’re using a convolution kernal it needs to support statefulness.
 
@dot_Sp0T I looked at the edit history
 
@Secespitus just found out^^ Yeah
 
@Green anyway, you see what I’m getting at?
 
12:41 PM
@JDługosz Yes. Statefulness make sure it so the code knows what values to head towards.
 
@Secespitus maybe I'm obsessed.
 
Intuitively I get it but I can't explain it in words yet.
 
So, @Secespitus? Looking at the blast radius, you think those federal offices can be affected by the air blast and thermal blast?
 
@JDługosz There are worse obsessions
@FutureHistorian I have no idea.
 
@FutureHistorian Have you ever used NukeMap?
 
12:42 PM
How do you think I got the screenshots?
 
I love that website. It should be able to answer your questions about blast effects.
 
@FutureHistorian You don't need to write the "EDIT 1/2/3/..." whenever you edit something. Everyone can access the edit history if they want to.
 
@dot_Sp0T OK I don’t need to guess. medium.com/universe-factory/… oh, and Trucks.
 
I can tell.
Too late now, though.
:(
 
@JDługosz dang, you found me
 
12:43 PM
Basically, 3.55 km from ground zero, it means broken windows.
If you are near one, then you either get second or first degree burns or you die.
That is assuming the aftermath does not kill you afterwards.
 
With a webcam, too.
 
@JDługosz actually did that with a phone, in Sweden
 
2.81 km is 3rd degree burns. 1.57 km radius is an air blast of 5 psi.
1.58 km is the range for 500 rem.
So, what happens to those federal offices outside the city? Dead?
The Pentagon is within the 1st Degree burns area as far as I am concerned.
But what about everything else?
 
@JDługosz Too easy
 
Here’s me
Having a drink in 10-forward, flirting with all the green girls.
 
12:47 PM
So, I am checking and so far......DC itself is destroyed.
 
Well, one green girl is my neice, so watch it!
 
However, the federal offices outside the city are mostly fine.
:P
 
@JDługosz your Discogs discography could be more up-to-date I guess
 
@dot_Sp0T?
 
12:49 PM
@dot_Sp0T I don’t understand
 
Since that failed, any other ideas on how to shatter America into tiny pieces?
At least for this work?
 
NSA, if you are watching, no I am not planning to do anything against you.
 
@FutureHistorian well, there was a very good answer a while back that came up with a few pieces.
 
I am all ears.
 
12:51 PM
@FutureHistorian you can start with that, and break up further as time goes on.
 
Well, what I meant is just make sure the US balkanises.
So then I can figure out the geopolitical implications I was trying to worry about earlier.
 
@dot_Sp0T That's not me. It’s a common name so it's more difficult.
 
So, what are some useful ideas on how to make a Second US Civil War/American Balkanisation plausible/semi-plausible?
Because the nuclear attack obviously failed horribly.
And if anything, actually emboldened the States.
So, any ideas?
 
@FutureHistorian I would push for greater political divide between Democrat/Republican or City/Country. If the tensions get large enough, something is gonna happen.
Make it a political/cultural war.
 
@JDługosz that's what makes it funny
 
12:55 PM
Agreed.
 
Hey, @Secespitus, are you still there?
 
Disenfranchise someone long enough and oppress them long enough....someone is going to start shooting.
 
Oh, and question: could the nuclear detonation be a trigger or not?
Just curious if the political divide is bigger, I am curious if DC's destruction is the trigger.
 
@FutureHistorian Sounds quite plausible
 
@FutureHistorian For a political divide? Probably not. As mentioned else where, events like that seem to increase unity, rather than destroy unity.
 
12:56 PM
@Green As long as you have a common enemy
 
Just look how ape-sh** patriotic everyone got after 9/11. I've never seen so many American flags.
 
Still, you do realise that 9/11 did not cut off the giant's head, correct?
 
@FutureHistorian Absolutely, I know that.
 
And if the political divide gets wide enough and no one is in power for a while, extremists could take advantage of it to trigger the actual conflict.
 
@FutureHistorian Sure, that's plausible.
 
12:58 PM
All while foreign powers such as the EU, China, Russia and probably Canada, Cuba and Mexico try to secure their interests in the States (now the former US).
 
@Secespitus Oh, you're still there, I made some modifications to this question in the sandbox. What do you think?
 
Oh and there is a chance a UN contingent is sent to Washington to help in recovery efforts.
Well, the ruins of Washington DC.
I wonder how Americans would react to UN troops in their own soil.
 
@RedactedRedacted what about this?
 
@Green? How do you think UN involvement could affect the initial shots of the Second US Civil War?
And also Mexican, Canadian, Russian, Chinese, and EU involvement later on as the conflict progresses.
Oh and for fun, never forget Cuba.
 
@JDługosz Congratulations for being able to track back my public Google account, here's a snail:
 
1:02 PM
@dot_Sp0T I see.
 
@FutureHistorian Too broad a question. What was the UN response? What was the disposition of the nation when it happened?
 
...For all your hard work
 
Here’s mine (only 28 subscribers :( )
 
Alright, the UN response is to send in peacekeepers to search for survivors and secure stability in the US.
 
@FutureHistorian If you're looking for a way to end the US as a country, the 'best' scenario that I've heard so far is in the book "One Second After"
 
1:04 PM
Well, @AndyD273. It can be revived later on, it just will not last for a chunk of the 21st Century and the resurrected America will likely be a different one from the original.
:P
 
@JDługosz Well, that explains, what concert you were talking about in a very early transcript.
 
Also, you might want to see this answer.
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A: Would the US as a nation cease to exist if a nuclear terrorist attack struck it in 2018?

Michał JastrzębskiActually, you dont need THAT much to politically and economically collapse a nation with a single nuclear device. Take, for example, Manhattan during peak hours. How many people are there during that time, in a lethal range of a 40kt warhead? 1.5 million inhabitants alone (2010 census), and proba...

Er.....oops.
 
@FutureHistorian Why would you need the UN? Why not the Virginia and Maryland National Guards? Pennsylvania and Delaware a day or so later.
 
Oh, because they are strained to the limit.
 
If Andrews AFB is still in operation then that's your landing pad. Dulles and BWI are also huge airports that can handle tons of air traffic.
 
1:06 PM
They do the initial attempts, but the fact you need to evacuate the survivors for medical care is simply a strain on the economy.
 
I gotta admit I like that answer about bombing Manhattan
 
The UN decides to deploy peacekeepers to help the nearby state National Guards, whose resources are already strained.
 
@FutureHistorian Then pull in from New York, Ohio, the Carolinas.
 
That could work.
 
@RedactedRedacted anyway, I thought you might draw too because this page also has links to deviantart as well as you worldbuilding posts.
 
1:07 PM
But how many hospitals can the US have to sustain the survivors?
And their resources might be a bit strained.
 
Short version, an EMP is set off 25 miles up, and all our infrastructure is just gone. No way to move food from where it's grown half way across the country to where you live, no way to get medicine where it needs to be, or to make more. It's basically the world of the walking dead, without the zombies.
 
That is another factor that NukeMap forgot to take into account.
The EMP blast.
And a 40 km EMP blast?!
Wait, how far would that EMP blast go?
 
@FutureHistorian The US is pretty big, and very spread out. We have lots of hospitals.
EMP is line of sight
So it depends on how high it is
 
Well, the explosion was a surface blast.
 
@JDługosz If you continue at this rate you might even find my arch-nemesis Opps.
 
1:10 PM
So, it is a bit obvious, due to a terrorist group actually doing this rather than a foreign government.
And then there is a 2 to 3 day delay because #radiation.
@AndyD273? How much damage can I see out of a 40 km EMP blast on a surface detonation?
 
km or kt?
 
@RedactedRedacted do you read Japanese, too?
 
In km.
40 kt is the detonation itself.
 
@JDługosz Nope, just Hungarian and English.
 
I am talking about the 40 km EMP blast you mentioned earlier.
 
1:12 PM
Smaller than the blast radius I think
 
That is 25 miles in Imperial speak.
 
Aj
ah
 
Metric > Imperial.
 
That's not a surface explosion
 
Oh.......................................
 
1:13 PM
That's low orbit
 
Now I get it.
 
40 km UP
 
Well, we are still looking at 2 to 3 days worth of radiation in the surrounding area before any aid can reach unmolested.
 
@RedactedRedacted you have an arch nemesis in Indonesia?
I missed that completely!
 
@JDługosz No, my arch-nemesis is Pseudo science
 
1:14 PM
So? Think this is enough to collapse America into chaos?
Or still need a bigger political divide first?
 
Then I don’t understand the link.
 
@JDługosz would you mind to give me a hand with your google-fu?
 
@MonicaCellio Hey, that's good news. At least it sounds like ours isn't the kind that you can't escape from. Thanks for the update!
 
@dot_Sp0T sure. What do you need?
 
@JDługosz I need to find a XSL or DTD or something along the lines for the components.xml file used in Apache Maven
 
1:16 PM
So? @AndyD273? Still need the divide or will the effects of the explosion alone in the long-term be enough?
And possibly the short-term?
Hello, @HDE226868.
 
@JDługosz Hmm, I think I'll have to start using that
 
@FutureHistorian Hi there.
 
So, apparently, turns out that either the US gets a new capital and government in charge or the US dies within months or so following the attack.
 
@dot_Sp0T I don’t understand. You want to know how to include config|ration into your own project?
 
@JDługosz no I want a proper element reference to know what the heck I can configure with it^^
 
1:19 PM
You want good docs of what Maven's config file may contain?
 
Just need to ensure that the US fails to decide on a new government, have the political divide worsen and by 2019, the US is practically killing itself for the 2nd time.
 
@FutureHistorian Sorry, I haven't been following most of this, so I'm a little behind. It is my opinion that as things stand right now, no one nuke, no matter where on the surface it is set off*, will be able to break the US up, and if anything will only make us stronger, especially if you hit one of the super important places like NY or DC.
 
Even if the political divide Green mentioned happens?
 
* I can think of one possible exception, but it wouldn't just be a bad day for the US if that happened
 
Or in this case, worsens?
Alright, @AndyD273. I am all ears.
 
Like I said, as things stand right now. If you had a huge political divide then all bets are off
So the one place I can think of, is Yellowstone National Park.
 
Oh.
You do not mean...........
gulps
 
Because it could set off the super volcano
 
Well, so long world.
 
@JDługosz I kinda was hoping you'd find something I did not :/
 
1:22 PM
;(
Well, I am going to go with the political divide.
How do I build up to that part, though?
 
But I guess the infobox at the top of the page in the linked book put the final link in place. There's no good docs to find for maven because it's a Plexus thing. Thanks :)
 
Or I can work on it myself.
Oh well.
:P
 
@FutureHistorian That I don't know right off... Honestly, I'm not sure how bad it could get in a year, and if it wasn't bad enough then it would just draw the nation together
The Problem with a big bomb is that it isn't picky. It kills young and old, conservative and liberal... and there are few things so unifying as a common enemy
"I might not like you, or agree with what you believe, but we can both agree to hate that guy!"
 
@dot_Sp0T I'm guessing there isn’t one, or it would be in the source code. Each bit of code just grabs things from the doctree, and it's the same issue as Windows Registry — no central knowledge of what’s there or what it mea s exactly.
 
1:28 PM
So any list that does exist is not necessarily right, so even finding one doeen’t really help.
 
It's rather hidden from the maven side, but it's clear once you've skimmed the sonar reference book
 
If you want to knock the country apart, you have to separate people, isolate them, make them afraid of their neighbors
A plague would be a lot more effective than a nuke
 
@dot_Sp0T so is that what you were looking for?
 
@AndyD273 what about a nuclear plague ?
 
The radiation is a minor thing, the millions of dead are a battle cry.
 
1:30 PM
@JDługosz it's closer than anything I could dig up yesterday, so yes I guess so :D
@JDługosz you using maven?
 
@dot_Sp0T O_o
 
@JDługosz @dot_Sp0T I may have a solution to my problem. A little time in Gimp with Indexed color mode appears to be very helpful.
 
@Green sure, you can solve the issue by modifying the input.. but that's not the goal :/
@AndyD273 imagine it
 
@dot_Sp0T no. I don’t touch Java. But I suspect this has similar troubles.
 
@JDługosz ah you can use maven to build nearly anything. But yeah it's primarily been made for java. Never worked with msbuild, only classy old make-files
 
1:35 PM
@Green It did smoothing/noise reduction while converting to indexed? Or some functions it has you can manipulate once it’s indexed?
 
@dot_Sp0T Um, my goal is to get valid data. I know from Pedro that there are only 9 colors in this image (or should be only 9 colors).
@JDługosz That I'm not sure about. Still evaluating whether it will give me the output I want.
 
@Green well so they messed up their input :D
 
@FutureHistorian In a plague situation you have the overloaded hospitals, the millions of dead, and then people shut themselves up. Lock the doors, stay in, away from everyone. You have the survivors trying to cope with infectious bodies, and there is no way to safely bury them all, so there can't be funerals. You have infrastructure break down, starvation, disease (other than the plague), all kinds of bad things.
I'm not trying to change your story, I just think than a nuke is impractical to do what you want in the time frame you want.
 
@dot_Sp0T I blame Imgr for converting from whatever was uploaded to a lossy jpeg that I got.
 
@AndyD273 Ahhh, what a way to kick off Tuesday morning.
 
1:38 PM
@Green why not do a direct transfer between you and them?
 
@RedactedRedacted you’ve given up on the recoil question?
 
@NexTerren Mass destruction and extinction of the species; just another day on WB.
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@Green ow!
 
@dot_Sp0T Because I forgot about crappy lossy image algorithms.
 
@Green Imgur will attempt to adjust obscenely large images, but should leave other images untouched. The largest I know it won't touch are 4k wallpapers.
Not sure how big your image is.
 
1:41 PM
It's already tuesday?
 
JPEG is great for looking at but not for scientific computing (not my type of scientific computing)
 
@JDługosz Yes, but let's hop back to this.
 
@NexTerren 90x62 pixels.
 
Unless you uploaded it through SE chat. Maybe SE's man-in-the-middle might compress it first if it's connected to some sort of SE account.
 
@Green that's why I always use FLAC
 
1:41 PM
@Green so you’re trying to recover the crisp 9 colors and ignore the near-miss roundoffs and high-frequency ringing? I see that converting to indexed using standard partitioning algorithms would help with the first part.
 
@dot_Sp0T I'm inclined to agree.
 
@Green but then you realize that I was mentioning an audio format and start banging your head onto your keyboard
 
@JDługosz Excellent. I'll go dig in that some more.
 
I mean if it's 9 very distinct colours you can probably drop down to 3-4 significant bits and still be able to distinguish them
 
@Green does gimp let you specify 9 colors exactly? Converting like this is old school problem … ultimate version is in Graphics Gems.
 
1:45 PM
@JDługosz It does have a custom color pallet dialog box that I'm looking into this second.
 
I used that for app sharing screens. Amazing how what was a heavy problem in early 90’s is nothing now — the instance of my class allocates about 640K of table data, which is the total capacity of the old machines.
And, I had to update the code because having megapixels caused values to overflow!
@Green I need to see if Photoshop (still) has that. I need to make images for my Alien Message.
 
@JDługosz AHHAHAHAHH!
 
@JDługosz alien message?
 
@Green using double caused it to use twice the memory.
Back in the day, producing a high-quality GIF was an art in itself.
 
You really put it on codegolf?
 
1:55 PM
Back.
So, basically, you want me to go with a rereleased Smallpox situation?
@AndyD273
 
@FutureHistorian Please don't use empty pings. You can edit your chat posts by clicking on the button of a post on the left side.
 

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