The Frying Pan

12:32 AM

@Catija IKEA is recalling a bunch of chests and dressers because they were prone to tipping over if not secured to the wall...

So that blanket warning on their website is apparently a pretty serious attempt to keep people safe and/or cover their asses. (Though obviously they didn't need to put it on non-furniture items...)

Journeyman Geek

12:54 AM

@Jefromi does it help with the saltiness?

Jefromi

@JourneymanGeek and the burning!

Journeyman Geek

what about the dogs?

Jefromi

It's okay, I'm a cat person.

Cerberus

Cats are the best.

Jolenealaska

7:13 AM

Hi @rumtscho

Journeyman Geek

woof

Jolenealaska

and hi to you too!

rumtscho

hi jolene, hi journeyman, hi room

ElendilTheTall

7:59 AM

morning all

@Arrowfar arrivonara is a portmanteau of arrivederci and sayonara. Obviously.

Jolenealaska

obviously

ElendilTheTall

@Jolenealaska who is this guy? ¬_¬

Jolenealaska

<shrug>

brb... I need to reboot for Dragon

ElendilTheTall

you always need to reboot for dragon

:P

why don't you just marry dragon?!

Journeyman Geek

naturally speaking, that seems to be the case.

Stephie

8:26 AM

Morning all!

Jolenealaska

Morning Stephie!

Stephie

Was over at Gardening and my blood pressure is through the roof. We have one user over there (is here, too) that constantly raises my hackles.

Jolenealaska

who?

Stephie

Not in the FP, though. I might have difficulties sticking to "be nice" in this case.

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I linked to the latest three masterworks.

ElendilTheTall

@Stephie o/

Stephie

8:32 AM

Need to calm down before I write my answer to my Meta question...

I keep telling myself to shut the f**k up, but then...

ElendilTheTall

'Someone on the internet is wrong'

Stephie

Yup.

Like that. ;-)

Jolenealaska

One of my favorite pet memories was a super-sweet, very vocal Guinea Pig

His name was LD

(little dude)

ElendilTheTall

he was excellent with some fava beans and a nice Chianti

fufufufufuf

Stephie

So just the idea of keeping them as lawn mowers and then sell any "surplus" as pets... Aaaaaargh!

Jolenealaska

8:36 AM

They are major food in Peru

ElendilTheTall

yeah, you get them deep fried and served in styrofoam

like fish and chips

Stephie

That's not what riles me up. It's the complete cluelessness and lack of minimal research.

Jolenealaska

I am reveling in having honest-to-goodness Internet. I can't buy the next season (5) of Game of Thrones until Friday. So I am rewatching seasons 1-4. This is just an extraordinary show!

ElendilTheTall

House of Cards, House of Cards, House of Cards!

Jolenealaska

Jon is about to kill Halfhand

ElendilTheTall

8:44 AM

woah, spoiler alert

:P

Jolenealaska

@ElendilTheTall I will, once I'm caught up on GoT.

Journeyman Geek

The mountain is Jon's Father.

Jolenealaska

@ElendilTheTall What season are they on?

@JourneymanGeek I sure hope you're messing with me!

Journeyman Geek

and he finds out when he's hanging over a cliff...

@Jolenealaska I've not really watched any of it ;)

I think the furthest I remember is the kid getting thrown off the tower.... and

Jolenealaska

It's a great show

Journeyman Geek

8:47 AM

yeah, but I wasn't sure if the story would be finished

and I tend to lean towards sci fi

Jolenealaska

Technology and magic serve the same purpose in fiction. If you like Sci-Fi, you'll love GoT.

Journeyman Geek

oh, I have most of the books, and have read em ;p

but this is one series I will wait to end, and probably bingewatch the right way

like I did b5

Jolenealaska

This is one of those weird cases where the adaptation is better than the books.

Journeyman Geek

The books, need a large board, index cards, pushpins and string to keep track of.

Jolenealaska

I read the first 3, but I don't think I will read more

ElendilTheTall

8:53 AM

@Jolenealaska just finished 6

2 more to go apparently

Jolenealaska

Arguably the best line in the first season of GoT happened to be in the same episode that Martin did commentary on. At that line, Martin said, "I wish I had thought of that."

Journeyman Geek

@Jolenealaska IMO the fact that they have a schedule to keep to and that they simplified the story where needed's probably made it better

Jolenealaska

Have you read any John Clancy?

Journeyman Geek

yeah

quite a bit of his

Jolenealaska

He is another one of those authors

I like the movies based on his books better than the books

Journeyman Geek

9:00 AM

He kinda did a shared universe tho.

ElendilTheTall

The Hound has the best lines

"Lots of people name their swords..." "Lots of cunts!"

Jolenealaska

He is (was?) a fascinating character.

The line I spoke of earlier was, "you wouldn't know him."

ElendilTheTall

Bronn is a close second, actually

Jolenealaska

I can't even type that without laughing!

ElendilTheTall

"The Lord of Light wants his enemies burnt, The Drowned God wants them drowned. Why are all the Gods such vicious cunts? Where is the God of tits and wine?"

Jolenealaska

9:10 AM

:)

ElendilTheTall

Words for life

Journeyman Geek

@ElendilTheTall off having a party?

Jolenealaska

Dany is now asking the Qarth merchant for ships. There are no small parts The actor is magnificent.

There are no weak links in this cast.

ElendilTheTall

Sansa

not good at all

Jolenealaska

9:28 AM

I would agree that she is the weakest

However, when she locks eyes with Littlefinger at his "trial", she totally sold it.

ElendilTheTall

she does improve through the seasons

also, Brienne isn't that great

Jolenealaska

@ElendilTheTall So does the character

ElendilTheTall

indeed

Jolenealaska

I'd compare Sansa to Cosette, but I know that would put you to sleep.

ElendilTheTall

<thump>

(that's my forehead hitting the desk)

Jolenealaska

9:37 AM

Spoiled, poor little rich girls are really hard to play. There is no meat to grab onto.

There is a great series on YouTube about the history and lore of ASOIAF

1 video per season, narrated by the actors

All from the POV of the characters.

ElendilTheTall

interesting

have you met Ramsay yet?

Jolenealaska

not sure

ElendilTheTall

Ramsay Bolton?

Jolenealaska

The Flayed Man sigil?

The father?

Isn't he the one that clued in Cat at the Red Wedding?

The father of Theon's torturer?

ElendilTheTall

9:55 AM

No, Theon's torturer = Ramsay

The father is Roose

Jolenealaska

Got it

Yep

At the end of season 4, he has just become legitimized.

And Theon is a loyal pet.

The torture scenes were intense.

I'm going to bed, but I'll bring my Kindle and stay for a while. brb

Jefromi

5:05 PM

@Stephie Good job on that meta post!

Jefromi

5:15 PM

@JourneymanGeek Weird, one of my friends is getting rid of stuff before moving, and just yesterday offered us a TV tray thing that I think is exactly the same as the one in the background in that video.

Huy

5:42 PM

what's the difference between braise and stew?

rumtscho

one is a method and the other is a dish

Jefromi

@rumtscho "stewed okra"?

rumtscho

@Jefromi hmm, OK, I forgot that English uses the same form for verb and noun.

Jefromi

Yeah, seems like they end up getting used pretty similarly. Braised fennel, stewed okra... both are cooked for a while with liquid, not terribly vigorously. "stew" might have a little more "cooked to death" connotation though?

rumtscho

Then braising is a type of cooking where the water comes up to half the meat, and stewing is making a stew out of the food.

Jefromi

5:57 PM

Guess they're separate in German?

rumtscho

Oh, German, let me think

Schmoren for braise, although it is not only braise

Jefromi

Oops, or not-English, anyway :)

rumtscho

Eintopf is for stew the noun, and an Eintopf gets simply gekocht

Jefromi

Interesting!

rumtscho

In Bulgarian, it is the same like in German I think

which might be a sign that my understanding of the German terms is incomplete

you use stew and braise similarly?

Jefromi

6:00 PM

I dunno, hard to tell if it's me or the whole world, but feel like braise has gotten more common over the last 5-10 years.

And there's the braising for meat and stewing for vegetables and actual stews part, but I think I've seen more and more braising for vegetables.

Might be some truth to it:

books.google.com/ngrams/…

rumtscho

so what words do you use to differentiate the method where it is not submerged vs the method where it is submerged?

Jefromi

Oops: books.google.com/ngrams/…

I think that's supposed to be the difference but people have gotten a little sloppy?

Or maybe I'm clueless and that really is the difference :)

rumtscho

I am not qualified to comment on current trends in English usage, at least not as well as you are, so no idea how they are using it

Jefromi

marthastewart.com/339240/skillet-braised-fennel

I guess that's probably not totally submerged.

I think you are right :)

rumtscho

For me, that is the difference, but this can be just an artefact of mapping the most common meaning to a term from the one language to the most common meaning in the other

Jefromi

6:03 PM

Helpfully, the google onebox definition of "braise" is:

> fry (food) lightly and then stew it slowly in a closed container

rumtscho

for example, I am still horrified that American English (don't know for other kinds) would call a gyvetch a stew

Jefromi

I dunno if image search is misleading me but it looks like that doesn't have liquid left in it?

rumtscho

what, gyvetch? It can have liquid out of the oven, but ideally it will be absorbed after some hours

oh, the google image search is extremely misleading

Jefromi

Also looks like the more common transliteration is gyuvetch.

rumtscho

ok, that one shows the right pictures

a ratatouille is a form of gyuvetch

Jefromi

6:07 PM

rumtscho

lol

Jefromi

He looks really unhappy! But it's from a video where he seems to like it!

"This is a real treat... A delicious Bulgarian beef stew which was originally created by monks from the Rila monastery... Enjoy!!!"

rumtscho

see, they are calling it a stew

Jefromi

Yup.

I tend to not call things stews if they don't have a lot of liquid left and can be easily served on a plate, but that might not be universal.

rumtscho

liquid doesn't matter that much, I call some stuff servable on a plate a stew

what matters is that it was baked and not cooked on stovetop

Jefromi

6:10 PM

ooh

@Huy tl;dr braise is not totally submerged, stew is, but also language is hard

rumtscho

now, you can argue that some terms have a wider and a narrower meaning

such that a pancake (or an English muffin, or something other of this class) is a "cake" in the wider meaning

and that a stew is also a very wide thing and it would include the baked stuff, the braised stuff, etc.

for me, it just feels wrong.

Jefromi

Yeah, I dunno, it's always been a very vague term in my mind.

I think there might be a lot of variation in how people use it, and I've picked up on that, so rather than thinking everyone's wrong, I just don't know what it means.

For what it's worth, ngrams for stewed * (stewed tomatoes, stewed fruit, stewed prunes...) vs ngrams for braised * (braised lamb, braised beef, braised pork).

Not sure if there's a way to do that with google trends though, which would probably say more about how people actually use it.

rumtscho

6:32 PM

lol, catching up on some thedailywtf articles

> The resulting code logs in a mixture of Serbian and Finnish

Jefromi

oh dear

Stephie

7:09 PM

@rumtscho great, now I'm hungry....

@Jefromi thanks!

rumtscho

@Stephie hungry? Haven't you have a sensible 6 PM dinner like all Germans?

Stephie

Nope.

Jolenealaska

8:53 PM

I'm curious about something. This video is cued up to what I found to be an interesting optical illusion:

Game of Thrones: Complete History Compilation 1

►

In the video, the view moves down the card. The stag in the picture seems to tilt his head forward.

Catija

I don't think it's an illusion... I think the image is animated.

Jolenealaska

Even after watching it several times and concluding that the stag doesn't change position, he still seems to. Do others think so too, or is it just me?

Oh! You're right!

The first points on his antlers definitely move relative to the fleur-de-lesish pattern behind him.

Catija

Yeah, that's what I noticed, too. If you look at the antlers it's more obvious.

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