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12:00 AM
@rumtscho Hey.... how was your Easter dinner?
 
@SAJ14SAJ Didn't prepare it after all
 
:-(
 
I ate breakfast late, it was lunch time
 
What happened? I hope you were just taking it easy.
 
then a friend called and I went to have dinner with them and then play some board game
 
12:09 AM
Hello bunnies!
What game, you don't remember?
 
Cerbler!
 
Hello.
I was in the country.
 
It was an interesting game, but at 1 AM we still weren't in the end phase and the 11 year old had to absolutely go into bed (we had been trying to send him since 12 AM). I had the idea of photographing the board, so we can continue some other time from the same game state, and then he relented.
 
I though all board games in Europe converged on Carcassons.
 
It is called Mare Nostrum.
 
12:11 AM
Board games with an 11 year old? Oh my, oh my.
 
@SAJ14SAJ why?
 
Because they are 11.
 
@SAJ14SAJ so what?
Perfect age for playing games
 
@rumtscho Ahh smart thinking! What was the game about?
 
I would have killed for such a great game back then, plus people to play it with
@Cerberus a geographical strategy. Resources, trading and war.
 
12:13 AM
Ahh that looks really fun!
 
All in a classical setting which would have delighted you.
 
Sometimes games that look fun aren't, though...
It would have indeed!
 
The father looked it up online and said the hardcore gamers don't like it much because of the mechanics
 
Are you hard core?
 
It seemed to be unbalanced if played with original rules.
 
12:14 AM
Hmm.
So they changed the rules?
 
@SAJ14SAJ Do you mean in board games, metal music taste or something else?
 
@SAJ14SAJ How do you mean?
 
Because the answer will differ.
 
Presumably board games...?
 
@Cerberus They seem to suggest other rules, but we played the original.
 
12:14 AM
@rumtscho I know you are hard core in cooking.... I mean board games.
 
@rumtscho OK.
 
@Cerberus It was just meant to be funny.
 
None of us is good enough to devise a perfect strategy the first time we see a new game.
 
@SAJ14SAJ I got that it was a joke hehe. But not the joke itself.
 
wow the people on this board game site are selling it for 150-200 dollars when it is in good shape
 
12:16 AM
I remember this board game called Civilisation...a game took 7 hours.
 
It costs 20 Euro on Amazon.de
 
Is it that difficult to find?
Huh.
 
Maybe I should start importing such games.
 
Some special edition?
 
@Cerberus I think it is still in print here.
The actual name was Advanced Civilizations.
 
12:17 AM
@Cerberus I don't think so. It seems to not be officially sold in the USA and I guess the fans there will pay a lot for one.
 
@SAJ14SAJ That game I do not know. The game Civilization is this:
@rumtscho Ah, so then why don't they just buy it on Amazon.de?
 
This is what inspired the computer game. I was wrong, its not in print.
 
@Cerberus Maybe they don't realize that it will be cheaper to pay international shipping and tax than pay the unreasonable price for used?
Or maybe it is just listed for these prices but nobody is buying.
 
@SAJ14SAJ Hmm never heard of it, but that board is huge!!
@rumtscho Hmm very strange!
 
I have never played it. I am not a board game player.
The last one I played was something called Cosmic Encounter. It was completely chaotic and insane, which matched the people I played it with. This would have been the late 1980s.
 
12:22 AM
Sounds like fun?
 
In retrospect, it would be fun for rules lawyers as it was one of those games were every move was unique and you spent all the time arguing about what the effect was.
I wouldn't want to play it today.
 
Hmm...
 
I consider the ideal games today to be hearts or bridge. Complicated enough to be interesting (or at least easy, in the case of hearts), but leaving enough processing power to have a conversation.
 
If your goal is conversation, you shouldn't be playing board games
 
@SAJ14SAJ You play Bridge!
 
12:25 AM
@rumtscho I kind of disagree on that; I think the conversation is really the whole point.
@Cerberus More accurately, I used to be able to. I have forgotten nearly everything.
But back in my 20s, I was adequate.
 
...but you probably remember more than I ever knew!
We should play sometime.
 
@SAJ14SAJ No, when you meet to play games, it isn't. At times where it is the point, the game is not needed at all.
 
Perhaps Rummy would like Bridge too...
 
You need four people.
 
Oh, I didn't know that. /s
 
12:26 AM
@rumtscho I don't share your opinion on that.
 
I play bridge belot, but not actual bridge
 
To me, playing games with people is half social, half game, usually.
@rumtscho What's Bridge Belot?
 
A "light" version of bridge. Somewhere in the middle between Bridge and Sixty-six.
Belote is a 32-card trick-taking game played in France, and is one of the most popular card games in that country. It was invented around 1920, probably from Klaverjas, Klaverjassen, a game played since at least the 17th century in the Netherlands. Closely related games are played throughout the world, and its rules first published in 1921. In Bulgarian it is called Bridge-Belote (), in Greece it is called Bourlot (), in Cyprus it is called Pilotta (), in Quebec the word was shortened to the first syllable and spelled bœuf, and in Croatian a similar game with different rules exists, ca...
 
Oh...
Ah, Klaverjassen!
That's still one of the most popular card games here, didn't know it was that old.
Okay, so Bridge is a lot more fun than Klaverjassen.
 
"from klaverjassen" doesn't mean "it is the same as klaverjassen"
 
12:29 AM
Klaverjassen skips the entire bidding phase, which is an important part of the fun.
 
I don't actually know the Dutch one, so I can't appreciate the difference
 
Yeah OK, but that tells me enough.
 
I learned to play bridge from my grandfather, who was a life grandmaster.
 
> Bidding

Starting with the elder hand, the first player prepared to do so chooses a trump suit and thereby becomes obliged to win the deal. Various versions handle the special case when all players pass differently.
 
I learned to count cards from him. That is pretty much the key to all the trick games.
 
12:33 AM
This is from the article on klaverjassen, so there is bidding it seems
@SAJ14SAJ yes, and the reason I'm no good at them- I am too lazy for counting the cards.
 
@rumtscho After a while you do it without thinking. When my friends first taught me spades in college, they thought I was cheating somehow.
 
@rumtscho OK just read it, I see there is rudimentary bidding, unlike klaverjassen.
So it is slightly more advanced.
@SAJ14SAJ I only count cards that I think I can make low cards in. Otherwise just lazy intuition.
 
@Cerberus These are the Wikipedia rules for belote, not for klaverjassen
 
@rumtscho Yes...
 
@SAJ14SAJ you have an interesting family
 
12:36 AM
@rumtscho I don't understand this line.
It could be more fun than Klaverjassen.
 
@Cerberus you said "I see there is rudimentary bidding, unlike klaverjassen."
 
Yes.
 
So I guessed that you assumed that my citation about bidding describes the rules of belote.
 
No?
 
But the citation was taken from the English Wikipedia article on Klaverjassen.
 
12:37 AM
Clever Jason?
 
I had read the Wikipedia article you linked to.
@rumtscho The citation I kind of skipped because I didn't understand it hehe.
@SAJ14SAJ You can do better than that!
Jassen is unguessable for you.
 
@Cerberus Piano tree?
 
Nope!
 
From Klaver like Klavier
 
Insane doggie?
Irritating canine?
 
12:39 AM
and "Jassen" is a Dutch transliteration of the Bulgarian name of a certain tree
 
@rumtscho Nice try, but, no. It is a card game, so...
@rumtscho Oh haha. Well, as I told SAJ, jassen is probably unguessable for you guys, if it even means what I think it means.
 
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But Klaver should be easy enough to guess.
 
I went with clever.
Nothing else is obvious.
 
Oh, Ash. I have heard of the tree in English, but didn't know what the translation is.
 
12:40 AM
@SAJ14SAJ Nice try, but...think cards.
You can do this!
 
@Cerberus Klabern, doesn't it mean taking/stealing?
 
Hmm nope.
What word is similar to klaver in English and can be linked to playing cards in an indirect way?
 
No, there is no such word in German. There is Klauben, Leo tells me.
@Cerberus clover?
 
Ah, I think I use Leo too!
 
I got nuthin Cerbs.
 
12:41 AM
@rumtscho Ding!
 
But my kitty is citing with me.
 
I don't think the English suit names use clover
 
What what suit looks like clover?
 
We call them clubs, not clover.
 
D'oh.
But you know the symbol represents a leaf clover.
 
12:42 AM
I never really thought about it.
 
Oh...
Well, this was when you should have, hehe.
 
I don't know how I came to it, because I now realize that no Bulgarian name for the suit (there are two of them) are translations of clover.
@Cerberus and what is Jassen?
 
Throwing out?
As in schassen?
 
Yes!
Something like that.
I don't even know schassen, does it mean that?
 
12:44 AM
it is a very obscure word in German
it is used when a politician is impeached
 
Jassen is like quickly throwing stuff down, as in several items in a sequence, I think. It's slangy.
Oh!
 
The english would be "to play".
 
Haha.
 
AS in "Sarah played the three of clubs to open."
 
so I only had it available in my memory because there were a few impeachments in Germany in the last months and I happened to get some news exposure
 
12:45 AM
@SAJ14SAJ Well, it is more like chucking, tossing.
@rumtscho Well done!
 
That is the idiom in english.
 
@SAJ14SAJ I don't think the game name includes the main verb for playing
 
sigh
Look.
Playing a card is the same in all languages, play, spelen, jouer etc.
Jassen is slangy.
 
Discard is how you say removing a card from play, as in "Sarah played the three, but discarded the seven."
Toss might be slang for tha.t
 
I am familiar with English Bridge terms.
As familiar as with Dutch terms, at least.
 
12:48 AM
@SAJ14SAJ But the name doesn't use the terms you use for game in usual.
 
And most of them are literally the same, probably both translations from French.
 
The game is called "clubstossing" the way fritters are called fritters
 
I am just telling you what the terminology is... there is no way I owuld have guessed those words for Clever Jason.
 
@rumtscho Exactly.
 
it is not supposed to imply that the players are saying "let's toss some cards", just like cooks don't say "let's fritter some vegetable patties"
 
12:49 AM
10 mins ago, by Cerberus
Jassen is unguessable for you.
So Rummy's correct guess was unexpected!
 
I am sticking with Clever Jasaon.
 
I would never have guessed Klaberschassen or something...
 
My idea of "klaber" was wrong, the word doesn't exist. And the next best verb doesn't mean the same.
 
Could it be related to claw?
Klauwen in Dutch can mean to steal, I think.
 
"To clabber" is a culinary term, or at least a dairy one.
 
12:52 AM
What does it mean?
 
But the good thing about Dutch is that it is 70% a phonetical approximation of German, and 30% a phonetical approximation of English
 
To clot, as in clotted cream.
Clabbered cream.
 
Ah, I see.
 
so, when I can't get a guess from German, I try one from English. Like the clover.
 
@rumtscho Haha somewhat true...
 
12:52 AM
I guess it works best when both languages are a foreign language
 
But more like a phonetic approximation of Old English...
 
then they have a similar level of activation. For a native speaker of one of them, it is probably harder to switch.
 
We used to play this game where one person would give the first three letters of a Russian word, an English synonym, and a Dutch synonym, and the other person had to guess what the words could be.
Wikipedia was often used to get at the synonyms.
 
@Cerberus yes, the similarity to English is more orthographical than phonetical
 
Because we had noöne who knew both Dutch and Russian.
@rumtscho Indeed.
 
12:55 AM
Let me try this
so, I think of a Russian word
 
@Cerberus You must have been bored beyond tears for that game to seem enticing.
 
then give you the whole synonyms?
Or the first letters of the synonyms too?
And I need synonyms, not the best translation?
 
@SAJ14SAJ Why are you being so mean?
 
@Cerberus I didn't think I was.
 
@rumtscho First three letters of each word.
@rumtscho Best translation.
Occasionally, one of the words would be a bad translation.
Shit happens.
You can pick other languages, of course, if you like.
But it's fun for the players if they know at least two of the languages.
And it's fun if the three letters are at least somewhat different between the languages, but this is not always easy to achieve.
 
12:58 AM
@Cerberus хол, col, kou
 
Yes?
 
I just noticed the last problem
 
I presume col- is English?
Cold/koude?
 
I tried 3-4 different words, and they all had similar letters
 
Hehe.
Well, these letters were different enough, it was fun enough.
 

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