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12:10 AM
On the subject of flavoring items from the pharmacist, it wasn't that long ago (OK, maybe it was 30 years, but who's counting?) I got cinnamon oil to make flavored toothpicks. They didn't have it on the grocery shelves, but they had it behind the counter of the pharmacy. That was a big grocery in Des Moines, Iowa. I think that was where I got peppermint oil too.
 
 
6 hours later…
6:19 AM
Hello.
 
6:38 AM
@Cerberus Insomniacs of the world unite!
 
Yay!
But I actually went to bed early, I slept for 9.5 hours.
 
I wish I was asleep.
 
And I feel a lot better than yesterday when I got up.
Yeah it sucks.
Isn't there a kind of sleeping pill that is harmless?
 
` I don't play those games.
 
?
 
6:43 AM
No pills.
 
 
1 hour later…
8:04 AM
Why not?
I don't either, but I might like to...
 
Hi
 
Yo.
My flu is a lot better than yesterday. I'm questioning whether it was flu or something else. I had a terrible fever, but not any more.
 
a real flu lasts quite a while I thought?
But good that you're better :)
I'm "sick" at home too :(
I hurt my foot/ankle yesterday while playing soccer
 
8:41 AM
@Mien Yes, it should. So I now wonder what it is. It really felt exactly like the flu, with fever, muscle pains, headache, nausea, bitter taste, etc. Lifting a tea cup even took some effort.
@Mien Oh, dear. Is it serious?
By the way, you can call it football, this is Europe!
 
They took X-rays, nothing broken luckily
 
Oh, good.
How about your enkelbanden?
 
They didn't took echo
But probably something wrong with them, yes :P
I have a steunverband now
I have to see the doctor again on monday
if it hurts too much on friday
 
Oh, dear.
Does it hurt now?
 
while I sit down and nothing is pushing against it, not really
it just feels a bit off :)
but standing on it hurts like a b*tch :P
how are you feeling today?
 
9:00 AM
@Mien Oh, that sucks!
Does Ibuprofen work at all?
And did the doctor say whether you should walk on it?
Sometimes they say keeping it flexible helps.
 
He said I have to rest as much as possible
I'm not allowed to walk on it, so I try not to
 
By that he meant don't walk on it?
OK.
 
Yep
I can take dafalgan if I want to
it's a different pain killer :)
 
Oh.
A paardenmiddel?
Dutch has so many words that are better than English!
 
No no :)
I think Ubiprofen is stronger than Dafalgan actually
I think dafalgan is paracetamol?
 
9:09 AM
No idea, never heard of it.
 
 
3 hours later…
12:33 PM
Happy Thursday everyone... the weekend countdown approaches less than 2!
 
Hi
 
@Mien How you are!
 
How I am!
 
Yes!
Have you cooked anything good lately?
 
12:56 PM
Not really :)
But I do cook more with intuition lately than with recipes :P
Last time I made pizza dough I only measured the flour so I'd know I have enough. Rest was feeling and witchery.
 
:-)
I have had some bug that is going around, so I haven't cooked much at all the last week.
 
:)
I wish you well
 
1:20 PM
I wish both of you well! And myself!
 
...there is not enough tea in the world.
stares at list of emails. I think I'm in shock from the sheer amount of things that got fucked up after I left yesterday
 
Oh, dear.
How many?
 
@Yamikuronue Any amount of tea, even 0.00001 grams, would be a surfeit.
@Yamikuronue YAMI!
 
1:55 PM
@Yamikuronue Wow, what did they do?
@SAJ14SAJ s/tea/coffee/
 
The tentative promotion for the weekend got partially put up last week instead of the fiel that was meant to go last night
Two others that were meant to go last night got pulled for some reason
The thing that was meant to go last night might be totally borked because someone else is emailing that even with that not going, they're seeing new problems I hadn't heard of
 
Wow...
That's a lot of f— ups, indeed.
 
also at 09:30 last night I was asked to make some paperwork. I was at home. With no email access. Which is fine because I can't remote into the network to get the paperwork to fill out anyway. Which is fine becuase it has to be signed by people who were also at home. No idea what they were thinking there
the two guys in charge of releases are mia. My boss is mia. The BA in charge of the project is mia
his boss is mia
I have no idea where one of the paperworks went, I handed it off days ago. I have no idea why the other needs paperwork at all given it was to correct a mistake operations made when doing a promotion last week, shouldn't it be the same paperwork?
 
@Yamikuronue Wait, they just vanished? Wow...
I'm thankfully at a small enough place that there is basically no paperwork...
 
I assume they're fixing other mistakes or in meetings
There appears to be exactly one form that I ever have to fill out, but I have to do it once per promotion
(to prod, not to demo)
 
2:10 PM
Ah, so they're not really MIA, they're just occupied...
Would be odd if they both just had decided not to show at work.
 
maybe they saw their inbox and fled
 
Hah, check the local pub!
 
My coworkers have decided i should be drinking T with a side of equila
 
I suggest that may not be strong enough.
 
They're talking about reverting to the old version until this 'stabalizes'
which is a hoot because they keep finding new edge cases I was never told about and that they never thought to test before it was in production and blaming it on me >.>
 
2:14 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the new edge cases were discovered by the actual users...
That's what actual users do :-(
 
Becuase it's a CMS, there's my users and then their users
My users seem ot have this weird aversion to entering real articles in a test environment.
 
Its sooo much woooork
 
"When I enter the maximum number of characters in French it wraps to a new line." "Why did you never try that before?! We had a whole month of testing!"
"We had a whole week where you were trapped in a room unable to get work done with nothing to do BUT test!"
 
Sounds like you need a new QA department :-(
 
We need a QA department period
we're talking here about user acceptance testing
 
2:20 PM
Morning. :)
 
@Yamikuronue Sounds like you're in for a fun few days :-(
I just need to figure out something supposedly simple—what is causing "Authenticate/Decrypt packet error: packet HMAC authentication failed" on one of our VPNs.
 
Few days, how optimistic. I need to get most of this sorted by 5pm today
I bet you the release coordinators are together someplace
parked in a conference room hiding from angry programmers
 
Either that or they're out at the bar along with the sysadmins
@Yamikuronue with a site that messed up, you don't work on healthcare.gov, do you? :-P
 
No, thank god
Ultimately this seems like a small matter: the end result is that our clients will see weird formatting in the "articles" section of the home page
but apparently since our clients are huge corporations, they're really really picky
so messed up formatting is super bad
 
2:36 PM
@Yamikuronue at least you don't have a button labeled "VIEW ELIGIBILITY RESULTS" that, when clicked, does nothing!
Or two different pages on the same site that give conflicting information on the status of something.
Or blank fill-ins that fail to fill.
I shall use live chat, and see if they can tell me the actual status!
@SAJ14SAJ when you suggested wait a week, and then it'd work, you were apparently quite optimistic.
Nope, live chat can't help with that. Have to call.
 
3:03 PM
aha, I was right
they're hiding in a conference room
 
Hello.
@Yamikuronue Huge corporations, they're just like people.
Wait, they are people, of course.
 
3:53 PM
I need to invent ink with nanobots that broadcast their GPS position
so I can track where the fuck the paperwork goes when it leaves my hand
 
Hehe.
They messed up your designs?
 
also, I never thoguht I'd say this, but I feel like we need MORE formalization of process
no, just, I generate paperwork, hand it off on Monday, and on Thursday I get angry operations wondering where the hell the paperwork is
I dunno, I handed it off on Monday
next guy doesn't know, he handed it off 2 hours later
until finally it turns out to be in operations' office, filed incorrectly
 
4:15 PM
Lunchtime.
ok, NOW luinchtime.
I had to play some he-said she-said first.
 
@Yamikuronue Arg! At least you figured it out, and won.
 
@Yamikuronue How big is this organization you work for? What do they do, anyway?
 
We sell tires to dealerships. And web-based services apparently. We're pretty big I guess?
I know very little about the tire business, I'm in the web team
 
Who would have thought tires were big enough to have a web team :-)
 
Tires and web-based services, got it.
 
4:28 PM
@Cerberus Arf
 
Mew!
Did you get to sleep eventually?
 
I probably had a nap in my office which isn't good....
 
But last night?
 
I guess like, when you go to the dealership and they pull up a computer showing you your options, we built that software
 
Naps are fine, don't feel guilty.
 
4:29 PM
and when they do it on an iPad, we did that one too
but that's still kind of new
 
Ah, that's cool. Normally companies hire another company else to make a website.
 
And we built them a web portal where they can see news and promotions and rebates and order more stock from
Which is where most of these articles for the CMS I've been working on are displayed
that and our new consumer-facing site
Basically I have no idea what the big picture is, I just know what the stuff I worked on does :)
 
Good.
 
At my last job I was in QA, so I had to learn a lot more about our users
But at my last job we made ATMs
so the business plan was a lot more straightforward
 
@Cerberus Oh, maybe around 3:00 or 4:00 for a couple hours. I am pretty zombie like today.
 
4:36 PM
Ugh.
At least you got a nap.
Does turning in early work for you?
 
@Cerberus Sometimes.... it just depends.
 
Hmm.
(It never works for me, except perhaps an hour earlier than the day before, tops.)
 
I can only sleep if I am sleepy....
 
Yeah.
Sleeping sucks.
I used to have trouble falling asleep; now I have trouble staying asleep when I go to bed early.
 
Then there is the whole being walked on by cats issue. That can make it hard to sleep if they are feeling active.
 
4:38 PM
Hmm.
Close the door?
I mean, I like cats, but I don't need them to walk all over me at night.
Cute though they be.
 
If you close the door, they punish you.
There is the meowing. The scratching. The beating on the door. The reaching under with their paws.
It is very sad.
 
I used to occasionally let our cat sleep on my bed. It meant I didn't sleep well, mainly because my bed was small and he took up space, so I had to be super careful all night, and that doesn't help when you're not a great sleeper. But he was just so sweet.
I did that once every so many months.
@SAJ14SAJ But that will stop eventually, right?
It is just like babies: if you always let them sleep with you when they start crying, they know that crying => reward.
 
@Cerberus Possibly, but I have never outlasted it yet. They are remarkably stubborn.
 
That's what all weak mothers say.
Try it a few days...
Can you close off the room/corridor behind to your bedroom door?
 
i have a modern townhouse. Tehre aren/'t that many doors, other than on the bathrooms and bedrooms.
@Cerberus I would not survive.
 
4:49 PM
Suffering for a few hours over a few days seems better than suffering cat paws for the rest of your life...
 
I like my cats. And they sleep on their own parts of the bed. We are fine. Unless they are riled up.
 
Okay.
 
Okay. I have had food and chocolate, and I have my soothing music...
time to see if I can't resolve some of the new bugs that were found during this morning's turmoil before I get interrupted by new information related to last night's fuckup
 
@Yamikuronue One does not get the sense that you have been soothed.
 
This is soothed.
 
4:57 PM
Also, remember, there is no dying in tire sales.
 
True! But there is job-losing
 
@Yamikuronue You are young, you can overcome that.
 
I swear casually all the time. I do so less in here because I want you all to like me :)
 
We already like you, Mlle. Potty Mouth :-)
 
But today I am low on fucks to give >.>
 
4:59 PM
Does your husband know you talk like that?
you might get in trouble... he might give you a .... OOPS. WRONG CHATROOM ALERT.
 
Yup. He loves when I'm pissed enough to get really inventive :)
(So long as it's not at him)
 
I think your creativity will be most demonstrated if you can avoid the Big 7 :-)
 
Nah, I mostly combine them in new ways with various random nouns
and plenty of hyphens
 
#^##%# faucette ^$^#$@# sand!
I don't know, that just seems... silly :-)
 
The first time I used "douche-canoe" he about died laughing
 
5:03 PM
Haha.
 
I had to tell him I got that one off the interwebs
 
Did you?
 
Yes
 
OK.
 
You could just call someone a Dutchman! That would be TERRIBLE!
@Yamikuronue That one does kind of invite an extended metaphor, though.
 
5:07 PM
Nobody would dare doing that.
 
@Cerberus You are right. Too nasty.
 
Yeah.
 
Netherlander!!!
 
That isn't a word in any language.
 
@Cerberus Might be!
What is the English word for a person from the Netherlands?
I think it is Netherlander. That is certainly better than Netherlandian.
 
@Yamikuronue That doesn't seem to qualify as soothing.
 
@SAJ14SAJ "Dutch"
I've gone through some of the slower, soothing tracks, into the more upbeat ones
 
@Yamikuronue You don't say, Jerge, he is a Dutch, the way you would say Michele, he is a Frenchman.
I think Jerge is a Dutchman or a Netherlander.
 
@SAJ14SAJ You know, Dutchman/-woman.
 
Dutchman, as in "The Flying"
 
5:14 PM
Who is this "Jerge"?
It's not a Dutch name.
Nor is Michele a name for a Frenchman.
 
We used to tease my brother by calling him 'Michele'
because apparently "that's your name in French", nevermind that you don't usually translate names once they've been attached to a person
His given name is Mitchell, but he doesn't use it anymore
 
@Cerberus Okay, give me a good Dutch name. It sounds like it should be Dutch.
There is no French equivalent to my first name, so for 7 years I was Christophe because my 7th grade french teacher liked that name.
@Cerberus Netherworlder!
 
@Yamikuronue Well, Michèle is a woman's name. Michel is male.
@SAJ14SAJ Jan?
@SAJ14SAJ That's pathetic. Nobody uses that!
Just as people don't say "Britainer".
 
what do you know, you netherlander!?
 
That.
You Amerikaner.
And that is actually a word, just in German.
 
5:33 PM
Netherlander IS a real word, and in English, too!
 
5:48 PM
Beh.
I do not recognise it.
 
@Cerberus Bah on you, I provided three references. So whatever.
Ever since you were outed as a person, you have been all sulky.
 
Pah.
Look who's talking, kitty-boo.
 
@Cerberus It is time you give up your unreasonable fixation, this obsession of yours.
 
@SAJ14SAJ Concerning the pictures, I actually started with small pictures and I agree it looks better that way, but I became concerned that not everyone would be able to read the readout on the scale, so I switched to medium saize.
 
@SAJ14SAJ Look who started it!
 
6:03 PM
@Jolenealaska Perhaps one or two medium ones would suffice, then.
I don't think you need 54.
@Cerberus That would be you, Cerby.
 
If it's kosher to do so, I'd like to change it back to my original, original - with 2 (m's), the rest small.
 
6:27 PM
38 mins ago, by SAJ14SAJ
Ever since you were outed as a person, you have been all sulky.
 
6:41 PM
@Cerberus Oh, it started many many months ago when I asserted I was a cat. I accepted your own statement you were a three headed dog, which is a different thing.
 
Why don't we both just accept ourselves as the beasts that we are.
 
@Cerberus False implied premise in that.
 
Nah.
 
7:40 PM
Good evening ladies, gentlemen and antropomorphic personifications
 
Hi yourself
 
This was my last workday for the week (I don't work Fridays), and I really need the weekend.
 
Any plans? Enjoy :)
 
hi @Mien, how are you?
 
I'm fine except for my foot.
I twisted my ankle yesterday while playing soccer
 
7:41 PM
@Mien Sorry to hear about that. Does it hurt a lot?
Do you mind if I complain a bit of my own? It is not as tragic as an injury, but I feel like telling.
 
There was a lot of sharp pain at first. After an hour it evolved (and is now) more of a nagging pain.
Go ahead :)
 
@Mien Ugh. I hope that you get better soon.
My complaint happened at work.
I am afraid it is somewhat developer-specific, but there are people in here who might appreciate it, if they happen to read the chat transcript.
 
I know something about IT.
 
It is about my dear co-worker.
 
Sounds not so dear :P
 
7:46 PM
He has been generally programming very quickly, but producing poor quality code. He just doesn't know better, he just finished his bachelor's. He writes code for the best possible case, and if it runs once on his machine, he considers it completed, production-quality code.
So this time, I saw that he had put a [HandleError(EmptyObjectPassedException)] attribute on one of my classes
 
Sounds like a dev :P
 
Hello lovely ladies
 
hi @ElendilTheTall!
 
and I was happy about it.
Hello @ElendilTheTall
 
How goes it?
 
7:48 PM
Read up :)
 
This means that he thought ahead, noticed that an exception can be thrown, and handled it. And because this exception doesn't exist in the .NET framework, it means that he wrote his own specialized exception class.
 
Poor @mien's ankle
that's what happens when Belgians try and play football
 
So I talked to him about it, to tell him "great job"
but the name sounded a bit funny, so I asked him why he didn't use System.NullArgumentException, which is a built-in exception type.
I expected to hear either that he didn't know that the system class exists, or that his exception is thrown in slightly different circumstances. In both cases, we could have made a small change, but this didn't matter; it mattered that he had done the right thing.
And then his answer was "But the built-in class doesn't send mail".
I opened the custom exception class he had written
 
@ElendilTheTall We are going to Brasil, in case you didn't know
 
ooooo
 
7:53 PM
and inside the class, there was a method which opens the database to read the email addresses of everybody with the "admin" role, opens the configuration file to read a few parameters, constructs an email message containing the stack trace of the exception, and opens an smtp connection to send the mail to all admins
 
You are not from Wales, right?
 
Hope you're well armed
@Mien 1/8th Welsh, as it happens
 
and the method is called in the constructor of the exception, which means that every time the exception happens, these mails are sent automatically.
For the non-developers here: Normally, an exception is caught, and handled accordingly to the situation in which it occured
This might include sending a mail to the admin, but only in the direst cases.
But the larger problem is, this exception "handles" itself
this is a totally unexpected side behavior which goes against a thousand principles of writing good object oriented code
 
I hope you smote him mightily
 
@ElendilTheTall We beat 1/8th of your ass then ;)
 
7:57 PM
@Mien You make the false assumption that I give two fucks about football...
 
It was like working in a bakery, seeing that the new hire has baked a cake when you thought that he isn't beyond muffins yet, and he proudly proclaiming that he also put dishwasher powder in the layer so we don't have to wash the plate afterwards
5
 
:D
 
well, I lost my phone this week
damned PITA
 
not fun
 
7:59 PM
mad scramble changing google passwords etc
 
@ElendilTheTall aw bummer.
 
I assumed I'd left it at work, but when I got in the next day, gone
 
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