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Jay
2:10 AM
@Cerberus Ohhh another date
 
@Jay Nice!
Sooo how were all your other dates?
 
Jay
@Cerberus the first date i told you about. didnt like him because he was too fem
the second date was pretty fun
I made dinner and we watched movies and cuddled
kinda strange for a first date
 
@Jay Oh, yes, I remember.
@Jay Oh! So...will there be a second date with Mr Second Date?
 
Jay
and then i have another date this friday jake, the one i liked a litle
 
A little. I see.
Jake looked nice.
 
Jay
2:17 AM
but i actually really like the guy i posted a picture of farther up
no thats not jake lol
thats jason(yes its gonna get confusing)
jake is the 19 y-o who wore that horrible tie dye shirt i showed you before
but i'm gonna grab some coffee with jason sometime this week
 
No, wait.
Jake was the artist/theatre guy.
 
Jay
he goes to Wharton business school(which is an Ivy League school)
no the theatre guy was the one who was too fem
thats out of the picture now
 
Oh.
 
Jay
jake is the 19 yo who is a first year pysch major
 
And the one with the ugly shirt?
So confusing!
 
Jay
2:20 AM
yup lol
 
So who was ugly shirt?
 
Jay
jake is ugly shirt
jason is the cute guy i posted a picture above
who goes to Wharton business school
which actually overlaps with my campus
so we are like a few minutes walk apart
which is sooo convenient
 
Okay, and the guy with the ehm reddish/burgundy shirt?
Who was he again?
@Jay Great! He looks nice. I have no objections.
 
Jay
uhhhh not sure who you are refering to with the reddish shirt. is that the one you said had ugly shirt. thats jake then
 
Who was this again, and what happened to him?
 
Jay
2:23 AM
oh thats the theatre guy who was too gay
 
Ah OK.
 
Jay
and im pretty sure that picture is super old
 
That's not Ugly-Shirt.
 
Jay
because he look nowhere near that good
 
@Jay Haha OK.
THIS is ugly shirts.
I mean, not that it matters.
 
Jay
2:24 AM
yea thats jake
 
But we must call him something, musn't we?
Okay, so Friday is the second date with ugly shirts, right?
 
Jay
ugly shirt is jake
cute smile is jason
oh scratch coffee, he wants to grab dinner this weekend
so probably saturday
(with jason)
@cerberus, so what about you
any dates or guys or whatever happening lately
 
@Jay Cool!
@Jay Nope, none.
 
Jay
awww
i just wish my dates came steadily one at a time over time
that way i can devote spending time with each one
instead its like all at once or nothing at all
its a bit annoying lol
 
2:45 AM
Haha.
I know the feeling.
 
 
9 hours later…
11:47 AM
hi @derobert I need some instructions on making awesomely concentrated orange goo for pie use
I can't wait until tomorrow midday because I will need the puree ready by then :)
I tried to read your notes from the scan.
It seems to say that you baked it at 425°F for 75 min face-down, then 10 min face up
and got 208 g puree out of a 603 g pumpkin (must have been a very small pumpkin?)
Is this correct, and if not, could you please tell me the real details sometime today?
 
 
1 hour later…
1:11 PM
@rumtscho time and temp sounds right (from the pics he was posting he was using pie pumpkins which are quite small)
 
@waxeagle I would have thought that such a pumpkin will weigh more than 600 grams, they are dense.
 
@rumtscho that is pretty small. I think the ones we've gotten this year have been closer to 3-4 lbs (1.5-2kg)
 
 
1 hour later…
2:37 PM
@rumtscho those were the weights of the goo after the first baking and after the second
I didn't weigh the pumpkin for some reason
also, watch out, the two experiments recorded in those notes were pushing the process to its extremes.
the one that came out at 208g from the toaster oven was in too long (on purpose)...
if you look at the last of the cell phone pictures, that's what you want to come out with
 
@derobert so, what time and temp do you recommend, and what is the yield?
 
the batch 2 temperatures are good, and so is the part 1 time from batch 2 (though of course, it may vary with different size pumpkins)
 
if I read your notes correctly, you say something about a weird smell in batch 1
 
yeah, that was the one I did for a long time on a lower temperature. I'm thinking that the weird smell (and taste, eventually) was probably the juice that had accumulated in the pan... either it was burning, or one of the pumpkins was a little off. They all looked OK, so I'm guessing it was burning
Wasn't quite sure what to make of that, because having done this a half dozen times at least, that's the first time it happened.
But normally I cook them hotter and shorter, so it may be that.
 
So, what did you do? Bake for a total of 2:40, then scooped and put into the fridge. Then put it again into the oven, baked for 60 min, rotated. Then you baked again for 1:30, or maybe only 30 min? I can't read that part.
ah wait, this 1 is the number of the batch, not an hour before the 30
 
2:47 PM
only 30 min, yeah, that's "#1 30min"
 
I was unsure if this is 130 min, 1 h 30 min, or just 30 min and a stray pen scratch :)
 
The batch in the big oven was obviously thicker, either that or the toaster oven is better at driving off water. Because it took longer to thicken.
 
Do you know if the fridge in between is necessary?
 
No, it's not
 
And you use this thicker goo for better, stronger-tasting pumpkin pie?
 
2:49 PM
You can do it all at once. Of course, you have to let it cool some after the first step (much easier to scoop it out when its not burning you)
Yeah, if you taste it after the first bake, it tastes like slightly-pumpkin water
 
I don't mind it burning the spoon which I use for scooping.
 
Well, after the first bake, I put it in the food processor, process it to a purée, then spread it on the foil-line (for easy cleanup) jellyroll pan...
I prefer to do that with it cooled off some!
 
I'm not sure what procedure exactly will be followed
We are baking this as a team of two
and he will be prepping the pumpkin before I arrive.
 
Anyway, yeah, I use it for pie, cheesecake, etc.
 
But he is not as serious about baking as I am, and may not want to spend all the electricity on dehydrating the pumpkin. (We are doing it in his kitchen).
 
2:52 PM
you can also try the Cooks Illustrated method of spreading it on some paper towels to get the moisture out.
 
Is there any reason you baked the pumpkins for so long before making the goo? Just for dehydration?
I bake my pumpkins for 40 to 60 minutes, not 160
 
yeah, its possible that the 375F ones would have been better at less time.
But I normally do that 425 for ~1hr
And I don't mind having the oven on, it was like 6°C outside
... any my oven is gas, which is quite cheap in the US
anyway, I think as long as the pumpkin is softened and breaking down (so you can scoop it out, and purée it easily) that'd be enough for the first bake. It'll taste like water. The face-up part is to get a little browning, not sure how much it actually helps.
The second bake is where it should have actual flavor.
Also, you can pull it to check on it, unlike most baking, shaking it, giving it those temperature swings, etc., don't seem to matter
 
I don't know how to explain to him what the final consistency should be. I am trying to write him the time he has to leave it in, but the problem is that it depends on layer thickness.
 
yeah, and probably also oven humidity, and also temperature. And a lot of ovens are off by a fair bit...
Has he ever had canned pumpkin?
Its a little denser than canned pumpkin, I believe. But tomato paste is too far.
 
I don't think so. Nobody here cans pumpkin.
But you are not supposed to be canning pumpkin at home anyway.
 
3:01 PM
no, here you can commercially canned pumpkin
I'd go by taste then. Just check it every 10 minutes or so, and it should be pretty clear when its stopped being watery, and now tastes good. And he'll want to stop when the flavor is at its best.
 
Pumpkin isn't very popular here. Most people have never had anything beside cream soup made from pumpkin.
I am thinking about telling him to bake the pumpkin and leave it outside spread thin to steam off
then dehydrate it together with him while we make the crust
I'm not sure how long it takes to make the crust (the time without an oven, I mean)
 
Depends on the crust you're making, I suppose.
 
@derobert is pumpkin pie normally flaky or short crust? Because Corriher puts it under the tender crusts
She uses a shortening crust, I want do butter.
 
It normally gets flaky, I believe
 
I'm trying to remember - I think that in Cookwise, she defines tender/something and short/flaky as different dimensions of a crust. The recipe I looked up was in Bakewise.
 
3:07 PM
but those can be quite quick if you're good at it. Or if you're using a food processor
 
No, I don't have a food processor, and he probably doesn't have one either
 
@derobert vodka in crust? I'm in
 
that's what CI says for the crust
 
But I use the Kenji method for flaky crusts, kneading half of the flour really well into the butter, then adding the other half of the flour and the water and mixing lightly. No need for chilling, paying attention to not mixing too low and not mixing too much, etc.
 
3:10 PM
yeah, that's the CI/other Kenji method. But I'm pretty sure that's their flaky crust
 
yes, that makes flaky. For shortbread, I just mix everything together until it is smooth.
 
google.com/… ... that's the type of crust a normal pumpkin pie uses
but there are some exceptions, like one with a gingersnap crust
 
@derobert wtf is wil wheaton the top result for me?
 
@waxeagle damn good question. Google must think you really like Wil Wheaton
 
@derobert I follow him in g+ that's probably it
 
3:15 PM
yeah, that'd explain it
My first result is my own flickr feed :-P
@rumtscho and since you're going to be making pumpkin today, you can even have some feedback for the blog post :-P
 
@derobert I'm making it tomorrow, starting at about the time the blog post goes live
 
LOL, unless we miss the deadline again. More writing to do :-(
Should have written it up over the weekend.
 
this means, I arrive at his kitchen about that time, and we wanted the pumpkin to be ready by then.
@derobert I know the feeling. There is always something more pressing to do.
 
I spent time cleaning instead. Which is amazing, that I didn't put that off instead.
 
I clean when I procrastinate writing something big like a paper.
Blog posts are usually not touched by that, I prefer writing them over cleaning.
The trouble is that I have to clean a lot after cooking for a blog post.
 
3:24 PM
Yeah. Normally, I pick about anything over cleaning. And the cooking complete by then, and even the cleanup from cooking...
 
@derobert isn't there an xkcd about that? or was that the interview with randall?
yep, it's the interview with the atlantic:
> If you ever come to my house and the bathroom is clean, it means that I have some project I'm supposed to be doing that I can't get started on.
2
 
LOL
 
great interview btw if you're an XKCD fan
 
@waxeagle with me, it means either that there is a project to be started, or that I am expecting guests.
 
@rumtscho same here
 
3:26 PM
But sometimes I am too lazy to clean it for guests.
 
although for certains sets of guests we don't clean much anymore
 
I'll clean it somewhat for guests. Like, get the books off the sofa so they have somewhere to sit.
But at least its always well vacuumed. The robot vacuuming slaves take care of that.
 
I remember how I once cleaned for my then-bf (it was around the start of the relationship, when I still tried to keep up some kind of non-chaotic appearance). He woke up in my bed and screamed - there was a weevil larva crawling on him. I didn't understand why the whole drama, he even had a t-shirt on.
 
@derobert do they make a hard floor version of those?
 
/me wonders how good of a Charlton Heston impersonation @rumtscho can do
@waxeagle yes, they do. The normal ones can vacuum hard floors, and they have ones that can mop too
 
3:30 PM
@derobert Zero. If I have ever seen Charlton Heston, I have forgotten it. So I would have no idea what I am imitating. Does not make for good quality imitations.
 
@derobert hmmm wonder how well they handle toddler/preschooler messes
 
@waxeagle I'm pretty sure they wouldn't vacuum up the kids :-P
 
But even if I had seen him, I would be bad. My pronunciation is bad, even in my native language. In this sense, I can't even imitate an average language speaker, much less a specific one.
 
@waxeagle not good. You have to have the floor free of stray items, else it takes a very inefficient course.
 
3:32 PM
... hmmm, that'd be a little weird to wake up and have crawling on you. Well, depending on where it was crawling, and of course how big it really is.
 
@rumtscho hmm, guess I'll have to keep doing it myself for a few years
 
well, they can handle some stray items. But yeah, toys all over the place might be an issue.
 
So I even put up my stools and paper bin and loudspeaker standers before I turn on mine. Else it can go around them, but it is very unlikely to go under them.
 
@waxeagle in theory at least, in a few years, you can make the ex-toddlers do it.
 
@drobert : is that a dildo or an animal ?
 
3:34 PM
@derobert It was crawling on his chest, which was even clothed at the moment, so not touching him. Around 1 cm long, not as thick as on that picture. So small you can barely see the brown "face".
 
@derobert very true, I could probably get my 4 yr old to sweep now, if I don't mind some inefficiencies
 
This is actually the only time I have seen one of them in my bed. They usually hatch in some box of food (they love nuts and flours) and then go to the highest and lightest part of the room, so they just crawl up to the best-lit corner of the ceiling. This one probably fell off the ceiling.
 
eggs bacon and spam
 
@rumtscho Ah, that's not so bad then. Unless you picked it up, and started planning on how to prepare it.
 
i like to eat meat
 
3:37 PM
"Sauté with some butter, dash of paprika, salt, and lemon... Mmmm, breakfast"
 
@derobert No, I even throw out infested food. Costs a lot. But somehow I can't get rid of them, even though I have pheromonal traps around and have gone on a hunt for nests several times now.
 
bon appetit guys
 
@mick lol
 
@derobert: lol at ?
 
Started keeping staples and nuts in glass jars, but can't do it for all of them, don't have enough jars.
They breed in the weirdest things, including stock cubes.
 
3:39 PM
@mick Perfect timing on that "bon appetit"
 
@rumtscho have you tried bug bombs yet?
 
@waxeagle what are these?
 
(do they make a bomb for those?)
 
its french :p
 
@rumtscho How well do plastic freezer bags keep them out?
 
3:39 PM
hey guys , why do the french make their bread way to long ??? :)
 
@rumtscho its an aerosol can that you put on the floor, activate and leave, then come back after a few hours to dead bugs
 
Is it to fight the germans ?
 
@derobert no help. Any kind of soft plastic gets chewed through. It has to be at least as thick as a tupperware container to keep them out.
 
they are designed to fumigate your entire house/apartment
 
@waxeagle never heard of it, but since these things live in food, I wouldn't want to use it near where they live
 
3:41 PM
chuck norris eats rocks
 
@rumtscho good point, you'd probably have to get rid of anything not in plastic or glass after you're done. But then if you need to get rid of the population...
 
@mick bon apetit to chuck norris
 
when there is an earthquake , it means the earth is afraid of chuck norris
thats why its hard to predict
 
wow, Chuck Norris is apparently an evil bastard.
 
chuck norris once had a date with a supermodel who made him dinner
the dinner was amazing
the model was in love
 
3:43 PM
@mick This is not logical following the official Chuck Norris line. If earthquake means that the earth is afraid of cn, there should be earthquakes everywhere all the time.
 
I mean, how many people did the Indian ocean one a few years back kill? Or the one off of the coast of Japan? Not something I'd want to take credit for.
 
and she was happy
 
nuff of that.
 
@waxeagle and I was busy flagging him...
 
i got kicked i guess
 
3:44 PM
There are 3 people in this room beside you, and 2 of them are mods
 
@mick yes, you did get kicked. Please learn from it. Seriously.
 
heh, nothing like a flag to get some new faces into a room :)
 
@derobert 30 minutes should be a nice lesson
 
faq <-- read this, now.
 
hello @jcolebrand and @JeffFerland
 
3:46 PM
@rumtscho Greetings
 
> What can we chat about? This site is an extension of The Stack Exchange Network, so discussion should more or less revolve around the same topics you'd find at The Stack Exchange Network — but in an interactive, less strictly Q&A focused way. Do have fun, but please keep it professional and always be respectful of your fellow community members.
 
@rumtscho I wonder if big glass jars would work? I can pick up fairly cheap large ones (say, even 2 gallon size) for <$10 at the local wallyworld
 
@rumtscho Pretty much... "Hmm, what is that room?"
 
they don't have screw tops, just a top that sits in place. But its heavy enough that I bet it'd keep the bugs from crossing
Of course, I don't think you have wallyworlds there
 
@derobert I don't want to pay that much per jar. And they are big, I don't have that much space to keep them.
No, "sits in place" is not good enough, they can get through really tiny cracks when they are just-hatched.
You never see the entry hole with them, only the exit hole
 
3:49 PM
Ah, that's annoying. So you need the well-sealed glass jars.
 
Screw-top is good, and so is rubber-lined clamped-on top
 
@derobert I bought a few at Target. Didn't cost much...
 
Yeah, they're fairly cheap over here.
Or the polycarbonate ones are even cheaper. And fairly thick, doubt they can chew threw it.
 
@JeffFerland at 3-4€ per jar, I would need at least 20 to repack all my food stuffs interesting for weevils, it gets to be a tidy sum.
 
@rumtscho How much would replacing all your foodstuffs because they have Weavils in them cost?
 
3:51 PM
Also, as long as I keep the food in the original paper or celophane package, it gets smaller after part of it is used up. So it takes up less space.
 
Besides, they look cool :P
 
Glass jars take up the same amount of space no matter how full or empty they are.
@JeffFerland you are right, I may already have thrown out 50€ worth of Lindt chocolate.
 
wow, yeah, you should definitely get jars for the expensive stuff
 
@rumtscho Ouch. That hurts.
 
@derobert but I can't keep chocolate bars in jars
 
3:53 PM
why?
 
@derobert I would need very big glass jars.
 
@rumtscho would tupperware type plastic containers work?
 
I've never tried, not sure if there is a moisture issue, only reason I can think of
 
@waxeagle if they seal well, yes. But I don't have them.
 
@rumtscho wait, the type I'm thinking of would easily fit full-size chocolate bars...
it sounds like you're using 1L mason jars, or something that size. Or even smaller?
 
3:54 PM
@derobert yes, but leaving most of the jar empty.
Of course I am using 1 l or less, I have no place where I can fit bigger ones.
 
hmmm, you can't use a larger jar, then put several items in it? E.g., in their original packaging?
 
Hi
I have a question about food
 
My whole storage room for non-perishable food is one 60x60x40 cm cabinet. Sitting in the living room because there is no space in the kitchen.
 
@Noah hello!
 
hi @noah
One of its three levels is just 11 cm high
 
3:57 PM
should we fry everything, including cereal?
 
@rumtscho what about sealing the cabinet?
@Noah what do you mean?
 
@waxeagle it has no door, no way to seal it
 
@waxeagle It was just a joke.
 
also, if somehow a single egg goes in - and it can be contained in a pack of flour I buy - it will be no help that it is sealed
 
@rumtscho good point, once they are in they are in...
 
3:58 PM
@rumtscho plastic wrap, lots and lots of plastic wrap
 
@derobert there is only one possible picture for my head to refer to when I hear a quote like that...
 
@derobert lol, I want to take stuff out of that thing. Besides, they will probably chew through it.
 
kathy bates, fried green tomatoes
 
@waxeagle did I miss a reference again?
 
@rumtscho see above
 
3:59 PM
@waxeagle whatever that is, I never heard of it.
 
@rumtscho fine, switch to duct tape. That'll stop 'em.
 
@derobert I wonder. I should seal some tasty nuts in a duct tape pack to see if they will get inside. but I think they will.
 
@rumtscho one moment muzak
it's a great movie that you should see, but for now the image will do
 
@waxeagle she missed the Charlton Heston reference, too...
 
@waxeagle judging from the image, I probably don't want to see it.
 
4:02 PM
But we'd better watch out. Or she'll start throwing references to Bulgarian movies, and we'll be screwed.
 
@derobert my taste in movies is unusual.
@derobert I haven't watched that many of those. Only the classics.
 
@rumtscho tbh this is a rather unusual movie :)
 
@waxeagle why did you like it?
 
@rumtscho The classics are, of course, far more Bulgarian movies than any of us have watched.
 
@rumtscho interesting plot mostly. Some good quotable lines, and a bit of a wtfy ending
 
4:04 PM
@waxeagle Oh. Doesn't sound like my style. I don't care much for plot.
 
(also where else can you get the V monologues and inadvertant cannibalism into a movie about the american south?)
 
What are V monologues?
 
@Noah To answer the question, cereal doesn't need to be fried. Mars bars, OTOH, do.
:-P
At least, if you're at the State Fair.
 
@rumtscho not going to onebox this but en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagina_monologues
 
I don't know about movies about the American south, but if we are talking Southern gothic in books, inadvertent cannibalism would blend in perfectly.
@waxeagle OK. Heard of it, never watched it. Forgot how touchy you Americans you are - it seems weird to me that you don't want to onebox it.
 
4:09 PM
Here's what I do to cook pasta. But it still doesn't taste good. Am I missing something? I put some water with a few tablespoons of salt in a pot. Once the water gets boiled, I add the pasta and stir it for 3-4 minutes before I leave it for the required amount of time(usually written on the back of the box). Once it's done, I strain the pasta and mix it with the sauce.
@derobert I fry it all the time :)
 
@noah what is the problem with your pasta?
 
@Noah Well, that's the basic procedure. How is it not coming out right? If its too mushy, then cook it slightly shorter. Otherwise, I'd guess your sauce isn't up to par.
And of course, its also possible you just don't like the dish. Have you had pasta that you do like?
 
@Noah what don't you like about it? (that seems like a lot of salt to me, but that depends on how much your cooking)
 
@rumtscho Oh! One thing that occurs to me about the times in my notes (as I'm writing the post) is that of course my step 2 pumpkin started at 35°F, so yours will take less time...
I am noting that in the blog post.
 
@derobert Yeah. Once I was at a friend's house and stayed there for lunch, her mom cooked pasta, oh, man it was so yummy.
 
4:16 PM
@derobert Good to know. I will suggest that we do the second step together, so I can supervise it, and he doesn't have to start too early or leave the oven on while we are grocery shopping. I hope we will do it alright, even though I have never actually seen what the final result is supposed to look like.
 
@waxeagle No, I read some articles. I think I add the right amount of salt.
 
@Noah Hi. So what does your pasta taste like?
 
@Noah and how is your pasta worse? Is it too soft? Too watery? Does it stay too raw in the middle?
 
Well, if you were adding too much salt, you'd be complaining the dish is #*&)@!# salty, so its probably not that
 
Also, is it possible that you buy standard south-italian eggless pasta, and she served egg-containing pasta (more common in Germany and some parts of Northern Italy), or the other way round?
And are you sure the difference is the pasta itself and not the sauce? Homemade sauces are much better than the ones you can buy in a jar.
 
4:19 PM
That is indeed possible.
We need details, buddy!
 
@Cerberus It tastes like boiled flour.
 
Ah OK.
Then it's probably a different kind of pasta.
Try egg pasta, as Rummy said.
 
@Cerberus Okay. Will do that and report back to you guys.
 
@noah this is strange, I have never had floury/mealy taste in store-bought pasta. Are you sure you are cooking it through?
 
@Noah I switched from regular pasta to certain brand of Chinese egg noodles, and all my pasta dishes taste a lot better this way!
And they're cheap too!
@rumtscho I think he means the floury taste he means is what all normal pastas have.
They do taste a bit floury.
 
4:24 PM
@rumtscho I'd wonder if he isn't cooking it too long, most of the pasta I buy the box want's you to cook it too long
 
@Noah Where do you live again? Can you give me a link to a supermarket in your country?
 
@Cerberus They don't taste that way to me, but maybe I use the same word to describe something different from what he means.
 
@waxeagle Could be, but then it doesn't exactly taste floury, just mushy.
@rumtscho Probably.
 
@Cerberus good point
@Noah what kind of pasta are you eating?
 
I do feel that several tablespoons of salt is a bit much.
Could that have some unknown effect?
I would just use one tablespoon. Or half a spoon.
 
4:25 PM
@Cerberus depends on how much water he is using too
 
Yeah absolutely.
 
@Cerberus it is traditional to use immense amounts of salt for boiling pasta. Doesn't make much physical difference, just changes the taste of the pasta surface.
 
Well, immense...
It does need to be a decent amount, yes. Sometimes I see people add only a pinch of salt.
 
@cerberus yes, lots of water and lots of salt is traditional. Not necessary, but there are lots of cookbooks which recommend it just because this is the way Italian grandmothers have always done it.
 
Right. But how much?
Not that I find it likely that the salt is to blame here.
 
4:29 PM
@rumtscho yeah, I boil my pasta in a 4qt sauce pan with barely any salt and it comes out just fine :)
 
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but I watch it like a hawk and strain it as soon as it's al dente
 
I'd like to hear a bit more about the chemical process that makes tea taste bad.
 
@Cerberus I have a feelin tannin chemistry would be the topic of the day, but I don't know the processes
 
@waxeagle From what I read, the "best" way to get evenly cooked pasta is by letting it boil for half the prescribed time, then turn off the fire, and let it sit in the closed pot for the prescribed time.
@waxeagle Yeah neither do I.
But it's not just tannin.
Right?
I mean, good tea is also bitter, but the right kind of bitter.
 
4:32 PM
@Cerberus no, because they are mostly just in black tea, there is a lot more chemistry there than just that
 
No what?
 
@Cerberus tannin is not especially bitter, it is much more astringent than bitter
 
@Cerberus confirming that it's not just tannin
 
I mean the bitterness of freshly made black tea is not the same as the bad bitterness in black tea that sets in after an hour or two.
 
I think it is more alcaloids than tannin which make tea bitter
 
4:33 PM
@waxeagle Ah OK.
@rumtscho I suppose. It is a combination, I would say?
 
but not too sure. Could look up in McGee, but don't feel like it right now.
 
A cup of tea is so deep. So many different kinds of flavours and bitternesses!
 
@Cerberus yes, it is both bitter and astringent, I just find the astringency to be stronger.
 
there are gobs of chemicals in there and they will dissolve at different temps and some of them may start reacting at certain temps
 
nods
 
4:34 PM
so the time can be about concentration, but also about reaction stage
 
Because if you make tea that is very strong, it also gets very bitter, but in a completely different way from old tea.
 
(my basic knowledge of chemistry talking here, not anything specific to tea)
 
(my less-than-basic knowledge just nodding)
 
5:02 PM
@rumtscho just uploaded a very rough first draft of the whole post
... to the google drive
 
5:22 PM
Writer's Chat is gong on now in The Overlook. Today we're talking about how to figure out your writing pace as a means of preparing for Nanowrimo. Come and visit! All are welcome.
 
02:00 - 18:0020:00 - 00:00

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