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12:29 AM

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Sec.SE exclusive: Did Shakespeare understand quantum mechanics?

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2:30 AM

@LucasKauffman Have you heard of the cyber cloud? It's amazing they say.

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4:26 AM

I'm so bad at carrying a tune, those 'find a song by humming its melody' websites throw an HTTP 406 error as soon as I start to hum.

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7:18 AM

w000t!! It's BUILDIN' time!!!

@AviD Woo nice. Fingers crossed all the parts are working perfectly.

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9:15 AM

@TerryChia that's what she said!

@lynks I just woke up, clicked my Holy Bookmark and in Security.SE I saw that SSH question. I thought "Nice! Some easy rep", and suddenly BOOM BOOM two answers. I couldn't have said it any better, so +1

@JeffFerland :-) Looking at his past behaviour on SO, I would guess yes.

@RoryAlsop he does seem very angry/annoyed a lot, no real surprise that he's banned on SO...

@RoryMcCune I very nearly reversed the close myself once I saw him launch, and @Jeff had made me query whether I had been a bit quick. But patience drops fast. I thought @Tildal held it together very well - providing an answer and constructive guidance - but the response he got back wasn't great either

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11:28 AM

@RoryAlsop - I think we all conducted pretty fairly in this case, I'm actually surprised at how well some held it together, including myself. OP has issues that are not for us to resolve. I felt an enormous relief when @JeffFerland hit the red button, I think I came a little :)))

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@AviD Wow hey beautiful! I was wondering where you are lately, I must have missed that memo. No excuse man, no excuse!

@lynks Congrats on close vote privileges. :)

12:07 PM

@TerryChia thanks :)

12:26 PM

Smit - you have had explanation both here and on your meta post. Listening and altering your behaviour would help you a lot. I know this has been discussed with you on OS as well. — Rory Alsop 3 hours ago

I'm pretty sure it was discussed with him on that level too, but you probably meant SO, not OS :)

@ThomasPornin or anyone else. Any idea if any of the popular password crackers out there support the scrypt algorithm?

@TerryChia Scrypt is a slow algorithm so I don't see how that would work to much effect unless it's set up all wrong and uses low iteration count?

12:47 PM

Morrow of the goodness!

@Polynomial Hey, long time!

@TildalWave Just working on a project.

yeah, been busy with work

new job rocks

@TerryChia hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/scrypt/0.3.2/doc/html/src/…

@TildalWave Eww haskell. :P

I will be using python and C mostly. Just trying to figure out where to get started.

My first interesting programming project for school.

@Polynomial i happen to be looking for employment, anything in the pen-testing/reverse engineering areas available that you know of?

12:57 PM

@TerryChia There's a link in the code with scrypt encryption utility in C

@lynks potentially. I think we're generally always hiring as long as candidates show a high level of fundamental aptitude. What's your experience level / specialist knowledge areas?

@Polynomial i would say a very specific 'medium' in both software exploitation/memory corruption/shellcody type stuff and malware reverse engineering. also web, but thats easy.

@lynks any previous pentesting experience?

@Polynomial nothing outside CTFs

or other relevant experience for that matter. development, sysadmin, etc.

1:03 PM

@Polynomial 10 years of development in various languages including C, Java, PHP. 5 years Debian sysadmin

that's always good to have

@Polynomial currently teaching myself IDA and Python

most of what we tend to do is build reviews (so reviewing security on *nix/windows boxes), infrastructure assessments (breaking into a network), and things on that sort of scale

malware reverse engineering is less of a target area. but if you're up to scratch on network protocol internals, OS internals, various crypto principles, etc. you should be in with a good chance

I'll have a chat with my boss when I next see him

I'm back in work on Tues, think he might be off until Wednesday

@Polynomial still working my way through Bill Blundens book :)

@Polynomial sounds good, could you ping me an email at lynks@adranos.com with the company details?

no need for email. I work at Portcullis - their site has plenty of info.

1:07 PM

rgr

I assume you're ok to relocate to north west London?

(or drive / otherwise commute)

@Polynomial right now im free to move anywhere in the world, provided they speak english or mandarin :P

@lynks multilingual eh? even better!

are you currently living in the UK?

@Polynomial yeah

@lynks You are chinese?

1:11 PM

citizen or visa? we don't mind either way I don't think, but it'd be nice to let my boss know. or we can discuss this kinda thing via email if you'd prefer to talk privately.

@Polynomial citizen :P

cool

figured I'd ask. loads of people at work are here on work visas, so it makes things fun when people need sponsorship and other paperwork sorted, especially when it all happens at once.

but it's never been a problem afaik

imagine how sucky that'd be though... moving country, moving jobs, then a year down the line your visa expires and you can't get a renewal

oh, and I hope you don't mind a relaxed work environment with juke boxes and frequent nerf-gun fights.

(my job is fucking awesome)

@Polynomial haha it sounds ideal :P

1:43 PM

What's going on with UK comedy on telly? It's just repeats after repeats and if there's anything new it's a compilation show. Is this normal for this time of the year?

2:27 PM

@TildalWave Wait... what'd I miss?

@Iszi That Smit guy.

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Q: Why are questions just closed?

What's wrong with this one? This is a concrete question, which has a concrete answer - a number. Or several numbers. But some person can simply close it with no answer. And this is not the first case. I have a feeling I'm here not to get answers but to entertain some persons with reputation. If ...

Argh. This really could use some cleanup to "be nice", but I don't have the patience to figure out how to do so while keeping the message intact.

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A: Changing locks on server cabinet

Since you didn't like my brief "super glue the locks" answer, and just decided you would brute force delete it without giving it a chance to have the effect it might have, I will give a more meaningful answer. As a bit of background, so that it may avoid my post from being summarily deleted in t...

Actually, that question is bordering on closed already. @RoryAlsop @AviD @JeffFerland - what do you guys think? Want to push it over?

@Iszi cleaned it up a bit ;)

@TildalWave Taking the shortest possible route, but effective I suppose. Interestingly, I can't autonomously approve edits on my own. Does that strike anyone else as odd - a user who can independently make edits can't be the sole approver for another's edits?

2:44 PM

@Iszi Yeah, approved it as well.

@TildalWave It's still hella rude though.

@TerryChia sorry, didnt see this, nope not chinese I just studied mandarin

@TerryChia Neah I've seen worse. I guess if poster wants to be seen as such, we should allow that as long as it's not directly offensive. Rude does not require action IMO

@lynks Ahh that's cool. I am chinese and I barely speak the language. :P

@TerryChia haha yeah i find that happens a lot :P

gotta run, have a good easter everyone :)

@ThomasPornin - I was hoping you could wrap that ZK answer into a nice story even children can understand... you know, something along the lines of Ali Baba and the 40 thieves "open Sesame"... oh well :( :P

3:08 PM

Was this how it was like for you, @RoryAlsop? hyperorg.com/blogger/2013/03/29/…

3:21 PM

@TerryChia You've hardly got to be more than 40 to have been programming "back [in] 1982, when [a child of today's] Mommy and Daddy weren’t even gleams in each other’s eyes" - surely @RoryAlsop is much more ancient.

What exactly is this guys problem?

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A: SSH password vs. key authentication

Its kind of like this... I am divorced and have a vitriolic ex wife. I also have three great boys, who like most boys can be forgetful, loose things, as well as love their mom. When my boys got old enough to need a key to my house, I had a decision to make, did I put a key'ed lock or one of those...

@TerryChia I don't know when comp.lang.basic was started, but Usenet as a whole did exist in '82. It was very young, admittedly, but it was there none-the-less, so I imagine it has some group(s) that would have been appropriate for his questions. And you could write into to the hobbiest magazines that were popular back then, as they often has columns dedicated to responding to readers' questions about programming.

@TerryChia No problem there. Just an analogy. Not one presented in the friendliest of tones, sure. But that's all it really is.

Google really has changed the world though.

@terry and @iszi - yes, that is exactly what it was like, only we had more CP/M and less BASIC...

3:35 PM

@Xander Google didn't change the world (at least, not in that respect). They just changed search - and not really by much other than streamlining it. The web tools necessary to accomplish the same task far pre-date Google or its heyday.

Anyone else remember WebCrawler? Altavista? Heck, Yahoo's even still around today!

Then there were "meta-search" engines like Dogpile.

I used to love Dogpile.

Lycos, Altavista, Geocities, BBS,... analog modems... oh the suffering! But yeah, those were the days!! :P

@iszi - added my close vote

@RoryAlsop Nice to pretend to be a "normal user" now and then, eh?

@Iszi Certainly many of the technologies existed, but it was Google who changed how we find information, and their influence has been pervasive. And Yahoo! doesn't exist as a search provider any more...They server Bing search results. And we know who Bing's inspiration is. ;-)

BTW does anyone remember how it was before cellphones? "be home at 6pm I'll call you" ... "sure, leave a message to my mom, if I'm not home I'll call back" :)

3:42 PM

@Xander I still disagree. Google really changed nothing. They just happened to put out a better and simpler product that everyone flocked to.

What I do to search in Google, I would have just as well continued to do with any of its predecessors had Google not come around.

@Iszi Yeah, guess I'm easily annoyed today.

It's not about the search. It's about what they did with the trend data.

@Iszi One can argue that putting out a simpler to use product is changing a lot.

See Apple and the original iPhone.

Google's real worth isn't in the vast quantity of stuff they index, it's in the vast quantity of statistics they maintain about what people are looking for, and how they use it.

@TerryChia True. But my point is, in respects to changing how people find information between 1982 and today, Google really didn't do all that much that hadn't already been done.

3:45 PM

@Iszi Exactly! And no, you couldn't have necessarily done the same thing with the predecessors, because Yahoo and AltaVista indexed content in a fundamentally different way. They were never focused on indexing all the world's data as Google has been, which is what makes it more generally useful.

Not to mention the fact that they've solved problems we never even knew existed, in pretty much every field.

@Polynomial Agreed. It's been a while since I saw mention of how valuable Google's search algorithms are in tech blogs. It's more about the data they possess.

@TerryChia Their algorithms are something to behold in and of themselves, but it's the data that makes them useful.

1982: I need to find information to solve a problem. I go to the local library, call up some professors, write to a hobbyist magazine, crack open an encyclopedia, etc.

Today: I need to find information to solve a problem. I go to [insert preferred search engine here], punch in some search terms, and learn what I need from the results. This much was accomplished long before Google came along. Certainly, Google made this a lot better, but they were definitely not the ones that started it all.

@Polynomial Still amuses me how they create entire new technologies to deal with the unique problems they face. Such as Google File Systems and BigTable just to mention a few.

3:49 PM

I saw a talk a few years back by one of their senior "search theorists", it was mindblowing. I got lost after about 5 minutes, and my head just melted with the amount of complex stuff they go into for even the most minute areas of analysis and categorisation. By the end of it I had no idea what he was really talking about, but the take-away for me was that they are hella smart, and there's way more to it than we see on the surface.

@Iszi You're downplaying Google a lot. Yes, they're just a company and "Google" is just a search engine, but it's all of the other stuff they do that makes them so valuable..

not to mention the fact that a lot of their research ends up being published and used by others to improve all kinds of other things.

@Polynomial Today, yes. But if we're trying to make the statement that "[Company X] changed the way we search for information, compared to how we did it in 1982." Google is not the company that belongs there.

they really are a research powerhouse. and that research is funded by search.

@Polynomial ahem advertising ahem :P

@Iszi Arguably Microsoft is the company that did that.

@TerryChia how they monetise isn't important. the fact is that search is a ridiculously popular service because it's really frickin' good.

@Polynomial I'm not sure how you're pinning this on them.

3:53 PM

@Iszi MS put easy-to-use computers in the hands of everyone. So one might argue that they're the ones who changed how we found information, by giving us all computers.

and then we're going down the rabbit hole

I remember the thing drawing me to Google search initially is the clean look of their webpage. Unlike the cluttered mess of Yahoo's and that Microsoft search engine that came before Bing.

Reading through the Wiki article, it looks like WebCrawler would really be the ones to fill in that statement.

Web search engine

A web search engine is software code that is designed to search for information on the World Wide Web. The search results are generally presented in a line of results often referred to as search engine results pages (SERPs). The information may be a specialist in web pages, images, information and other types of files. Some search engines also mine data available in databases or open directories. Unlike web directories, which are maintained only by human editors, search engines also maintain real-time information by running an algorithm on a web crawler. History {|class="bordered info...

I was young, so I didn't give a rat's ass about which service was technically better.

because you can then say "but MS wouldn't exist without Apple!" or "but MS wouldn't exist without IBM!"

@Iszi I disagree. Again yes, a number of search technologies predate them, but they are the company that changed how we find information. They are the company that executed on those technologies so that we no longer go to libraries, buy encyclopedias or books of maps, or restaurant guides. (Generally speaking, of course.)

3:54 PM

@Xander agreed.

@Polynomial No, they changed how we work with information. There was nothing inherent to Microsoft's accomplishments at the time which facilitated world-wide data searching in the way that WebCrawler did when they showed up.

@Iszi But without commodity computers, nobody has access to that stuff.

I don't think Microsoft is the answer. I'm making a point.

There is no single company that solely satisfies that statement.

Google is a high candidate. Microsoft, Apple and IBM could equally fit the bill depending on how you want to view the question. Even AOL fits, with their stupid captive portal stuff.

But there's no single company that changed our way of finding and managing information. It's an ecosystem.

@Polynomial Nothing that contributed to the betterment of mankind or the Internet should ever be attributed to AOL, ever. It'd be like reminding us that Nazis brought about Volkswagen.

@Iszi haha

@Iszi Lots of companies have contributed technology. Google put it together. And again, web search is only one small piece of how they've integrated external information into our lives. The other early web search engines have had no part in most of the rest of the facets involved.

3:59 PM

my point is that it's like saying "Sony is the one company that revolutionised television". sure, they did a lot for the field of AV, but they wouldn't have if they didn't have competition and other parties involved in research, and networks to broadcast the kind of media that people were interested in.

@Iszi Hate on them as much as you like, but they provided low-cost access to the masses. Even if they were fucking awful.

@Xander Again, my contention isn't that Google did not make a lot of changes in the way we get information. For the company that has made the biggest difference in that field, I'd definitely give them their due. But I'd say WebCrawler (or one of its other contemporaries of that time) much better fits the bill as the one that started it all.

@Polynomial Absolutely...Many millions of people were introduced to the Internet for the first time by AOL because of their infuriatingly ubiquitous CDs.

@Xander AOL CDs were a common joke in my childhood. We used to use them as a reference point for uselessness and evil.

@Iszi started it all != made the biggest change, though.

@Xander Ubiquitous because, supposedly, they took over the world's entire CD production capacity for awhile.

@Polynomial My point, precisely.

erm, so it's the end of March and I'm listening to metal versions of xmas carols.

this cover of Carol of the Bells is fucking awesome, too

4:05 PM

What I'm saying is essentially: "Webcrawler changed the way we look for information compared to 1982. Google made it a helluvalot better."

I'm sorely tempted to start shouting "WOULD YOU LIKE AN APPLE PIE WITH THAT!?" in a metal growl.

@Iszi Splitting the credit is fine by me. I think Google wins the "biggest change" award and WebCrawler wins the "kickstarter" award.

@Iszi :8735657 Certainly, I think we're on the same page there...I agree that they weren't the ones that invented web search. To me, however, starting it all isn't the same as creating change. It's the fact that Google was actually the engine that executed the technology to the point that hundreds of millions of people associate searching for information with "Googling" is what constitutes change.

@Xander That, I believe, is not so much a matter of change as it is just having the best (or, for some arbitrary reasons, most ubiquitous) product out there. Similar to how we rarely say "tissue" instead of "Kleenex".

Or how a lot of people just call any "soda" a "Coke".

@Iszi or "hoover" instead of "vacuum cleaner"

(though I notice that's largely a UK thing)

@Polynomial Can't say I've encountered that one myself. Must be a UK-ism.

Essentially, Google is becoming one of these (if it isn't already)...

Generic trademark

A generic trademark, also known as a genericized trademark or proprietary eponym, is a trademark or brand name that has become the generic name for, or synonymous with, a general class of product or service, against the usual intentions of the trademark's holder. Using a genericized trademark to refer to the general form of what that trademark represents is a form of metonymy. A trademark is said to become genericized when it began as a distinctive product identifier but has changed in meaning to become generic. A trademark typically becomes "genericized" when the products or services ...

4:11 PM

"pram" is also a brand name. perambulator is the proper name for a pram, but "Pram" was an early-1900s product.

also nobody wanted to call it a perambulator.

@Polynomial Nice, but I still prefer TSO's version. I think it's called "A Mad Russian's Christmas".

@AJHenderson: I have read this exact story in the late 1980s (offline of course ;)), except it was in GBP and not CZK. Urban legend alert! — Piskvor 18 mins ago

oops

that wasn't what I meant to link

but we have a real charmer with that question don't we?

What about Kevin Mitnick? Have you heard about his case? There are a lot of hackers who are monitored by various people from different agencies. And I want to know which agencies in EU or Czech republic do such things. "So no, there is no supranational body devoted to surveillance of online activities of people." Sorry, but I think you either are naive or know very little about internet security or perhaps both. — Derfder 1 hour ago

He calls The Bear naive? He must pay!

It was honestly what earned his question a downvote from me

I was willing to let it just sit with a close offtopic until I saw him get rude

particularly with what appears to be a bullshit story to begin with

I really can't believe someone would have actually tried the office space scam

but didn't want to get so offensive to call him on it as harshly as I'd like to

it might feel good, but doesn't help to start a fight in public

:(

@AJHenderson Heh. I'm pretty sure the scam (or at least the legend) pre-dates Office Space by a long shot. Kinda cool to see it's caught that name though.

4:22 PM

it's the most popular version of it I think

either way, it's actually a horrible scam

I've never seen Office Space.

lets rip off a lot of people (lots of chances to get caught) for next to nothing

hmm, high risk, low reward...

@Polynomial You must rectify this immediately.

yeah, that's a good scam

@Iszi What kinda movie is it? Comedy?

4:23 PM

@Polynomial Yes.

@Polynomial In fairness, I had not seen office space until about 2004

actually, no, I think it was 2007

I think I was working my first job before I saw it

Ah, I probably won't bother then. I have a thing about comedy movies - I hate any of that cringe-worthy embarrassing comedy stuff.

absolutely hated the American Pie movies and stuff like that.

it's not so much cringe worthy embarrasing as it is more like live action dilber

I'm not sure I'd say any of it is "cringe-worthy" or "embarrasing".

dilbert even

4:25 PM

@Polynomial Also, though entirely unrelated, you must add "Super Troopers" to your list if you haven't seen it yet either.

I didn't think it was as good as some people make it out to be, but it was enjoyable

Super Troopers I have to say I thought was a waste

@Iszi Isn't that a parody of Starship Troopers?

@Polynomial Not at all.

err wait

I was thinking of Starship Troopers

my bad

I'm really in the mood to watch Fight Club actually.

4:26 PM

I've never seen Fight Club

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WATCH IT IMMEDIATELY.

so I can't even talk about it

seriously, I hadn't even watched it until a few months back, and it's probably one of the greatest movies I've ever seen.

beyond brilliant.

@AJHenderson The first rule of Fight Club is... you're not allowed to use that joke if you haven't seen Fight Club.

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yeah, at this point it is mostly that I'm worried that it won't live up to all I've heard about it

I know that's how I was with Monty Python's Holy Grail

4:27 PM

I thought it was some random bullshit action film, and it's totally not.

@AJHenderson HG is an acquired taste.

at a certain point, when you've had a movie hyped and retold so much by people pasionate about it, seeing it just doesn't live up

seriously though, watch fight club.

@Polynomial I think that goes for Monty Python as a whole.

@Iszi Yeah, it's one of those things that even a lot of Brits find a bit much.

thing is I like british humor

4:28 PM

I know it's cliché, and it sounds ridiculous, but watching Fight Club actually changed my life.

It made me think more about what's really important in life.

@Polynomial Like Google did? ;-)

and that reflection was one of the catalysts for me quitting my last job, and moving 150 miles to a new job that I actually really enjoy.

@Iszi Not quite the same thing ;)

@Polynomial So... more like WebCrawler, then?

it's one of those real mind-fuck movies that you find yourself either entertained by or consumed by.

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Q: Which organisation in the USA monitors suspisious activity and known hackers?

Which part of FBI and CIA and other bureaus do that in the USA? Don't tell be this is not happening ;) I will move to US and A any minute ;)

You have GOT to be kidding me....

4:30 PM

if it's the former, you'll enjoy the movie

@TerryChia did he tag CRIME?

if it's the latter, you'll find yourself re-examining the way you approach work and commercialism

so yeah, worth a watch

it's like the LSD of movies. you'll either get a buzz and be over it, or it'll make a permanent change to your outlook.

@TerryChia LOL I think he took your comment all wrong :)

@TerryChia O. M. F. G.

@poly you're aliveeeee

@LucasKauffman P.O.D agrees.

(that's a reference to this track)

it's worth noting that this question is actually more legit than his last one

it asks about who tracks hackers

not convicts

that's an answerable question

though probably not an IT Security one

4:42 PM

but then ruins it by turning it into a question about conspiracy theories

I also think he thinks I'm American.

+1 to @Polynomial. And I don't want to bother editing it into something potentially useful, lest this particular user actually somehow gain some rep from it.

and that, because of that, I'm obviously a Christian, and will be annoyed by his quip about god.

Altavista rocked @iszi - but I was never a huge fan of modems until they got up past 2400 baud. Would cope quite happily without mobile phones though. Always astonished that some seem to treat them as a basic human right. Without them you just say when you'll meet, and if you are late then you hope they waited for you.

@Polynomial Seriously, most ridiculous? Have you forgotten your dear friend Andrew?

I altered the question to reflect the core of what I think is the legitimate questions

4:46 PM

@TerryChia Sssssssshhhhh!!!! We do not say his name!!!

@Polynomial can I ask if he's coming from the eastern block?

@TildalWave I have no idea, but it crossed my mind too.

@terry and @poly - closed. That did amuse me though. Just such an odd view of what happens- can we award tinfoil hats?

@AJHenderson That fundamentally changes the question and invalidates an existing answer = bad edit.

@TerryChia Andrew was a troll, but he was never directly confrontational in a "straw man" kind of way.

4:47 PM

he pretty much has to be Eastern block

@Iszi - oh, I didn't see another answer when I edited it

my bad

@RoryAlsop hehe, yeah, I think he's living in the world of FSB agents and faries.

@AJHenderson I'd suggest posting the "legitimate question" separately, if you really think it has value. Don't let the nutjob have whatever rep may come from it.

@Polynomial I'm here at the border of what used to be that, and I recognize the pattern. It's sad though that there's still peeps that don't really get what a democracy is... making it a can of worms where it's needed most.

@RoryAlsop Aren't we out of the season for hats? Definitely should suggest that for next season, though.

@TildalWave It's not as much about democracy as it is about fundamental rights, but yeah, I see your point.

it's just that most dictatorships tend to end with a lack of rights ;)

4:49 PM

@Iszi @Iszi That's a fair point. Actually looking at the question, I stand by the edit. If you read the question without knowledge of the previous question, it looks like the meaning is 100% consistent with what he asked

he said that he want's to know who tracks hackers that are allowed to stay in place to try to identify other hackers

that would be the people that investigate hacking groups

Mandiant?

I think we just all read it as being the US version of his previous question

@AJHenderson I'll go with that. Still, definitely prefer we leave it as it was so the close reason stands and the legitimate question can belong to someone whose personality is actually welcome in the community.

yeah, I agree

I was just hoping that maybe editing the question might help him understand the community better (what can I say, I'm an optimist)

You guys did include that the hackers must have WMDs?

4:51 PM

I don't know that the question is on topic even still

since it still isn't really IT Security related

and more legal related

it's fringe at best

@Polynomial Yar that's what I meant ;)

@LucasKauffman Sure, they can easily hack into NORAD with a laptop.

@AJHenderson That would be on-topic for Science Fiction and Fantasy. ;-)

@LucasKauffman Heh. Reminds me of a Twitter discussion I had not long ago, where someone tried to make fun of ham radio by referring to it with the name of a fictitious WMD.

anyway, back to work for me

@AJHenderson Aw, crap. That reminds me...

4:57 PM

Any recommended link for trusted AV vendors that I could attach to some answer about getting rid of an adware trojan? I used the list from MS but it's full of link rot holes.

5:45 PM

hmm, stackexchange.com/users/1344851/derfder?tab=accounts

apparently he isn't very popular on quite a few stack exchange sites

including being at -99 on jewdaism apparently

err, never mind, he's just suspended there

ah, and a few of them are bounties

guess it isn't so bad then

@AJHenderson I thought "suspended" just meant "locked at 1 rep" - how the frack do you get -99?

@TildalWave I always recommend kaspersky

I never go with McAffee

I've had tons of issues with it

@LucasKauffman Sure but I need a link with a list of them, not one specific vendor. I don't wanna come out as pushy and say take this and you'll be fine ... let them have choice LOL ;)

@TildalWave Well there is Kaspersky AV and Kaspersky Internet Security and Kaspersky PURE

6:08 PM

theoatmeal.com/comics/gay_marriage

so much truthiness.

@TildalWave You left out "call me in the morning"

@LucasKauffman oh, choices :)

@LucasKauffman Did they hire a marketing team that usually works with tampon manufacturers?

Kaspersky Discreet Maxi Plus

Kaspersky Ultra Malware Absorption

that'd be awesome

Kaspersky Vagina De-bloodifier

oh, wait, we were going for innuendo.

6:15 PM

you forgot the wings...

oh, the hell, it's really dark.

@TildalWave wings? on tampons?

on pads

yeah, was gonna say

it's funny, you can always tell if a guy is a virgin by talking to him about tampons/pads.

if he's clueless about them, he's never been laid

lady parts are complicated.

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(sorry, I've just finished a massive QC marathon, and it's made me a bit weird!)

starred :P

as long as we don't start making jokes about big-O notation of complexity, we'll be fine

and now I'm gonna go order takeaway like a boss.

6:20 PM

...brings Mitchel & Webb gag on pizza delivery to memory

you've ruined pizza for me now. I'll forever associate the tomato sauce with periods.

oh, sorry... tea? :)

@Polynomial However the reverse is not necessarily true, e.g. for guys who've lived with their mother (and helped her with the shopping) a little too much.

@Iszi If you're looking to date a dude, it should be a red-flag either way (pun intended)

Sorry, strike that Mitchell & Webb ... surely this is more of a a Jimmy Carr moment.

6:34 PM

rofl, this amuses me: community.webroot.com/t5/Ask-the-Experts/…

dude is complaining that webroot aren't doing malware analysis on 5700+ executables that aren't known by the AV, across his ENTIRE corp network

most of which only have one or two seen instances.

and I almost guarantee he's only paying a few grand annually for his site license

Whoa, two vendors following the rules in as many days.....

and both of them new users

@Iszi I saw they had the association bonus and were at 1. This would effectively be -99, but it was actually just a suspension.

@AJHenderson Ummm... no, I'm pretty sure that'd effectively be -100. After association, you should have 101.

Just sanity checked on Chemistry. All new users get 1 rep. Association bonus is +100. Total "new, associated user" rep is 101, so a "new, associated user" who's at 1 would have had a -100.

yup

6:49 PM

user image

what the hell is wrong with twitter's galleries, it's a bit too suggestive imho lol

i swear i only put that image up once

@TildalWave D'hell's that supposed to be? CobainWave?

lol

haha

you should see the pic I display when denying crawlers access

user image

user image

2

HRRRRRRK

6:58 PM

@Polynomial Well, maybe if Internet Explorer is the only browser that goes through your corporate proxy or some crap like that... but that's your fault - not any browser's problem.

@Iszi Regardless, that sign makes me want to stab people.

@Polynomial I don't think any jury of your peers would convict you.

@Iszi I always seed, so I should be fine.

@Iszi Maybe not your peers.

@ScottPack Your peers would probably convict you in retaliation for your constant crushing sarcasm.

7:04 PM

@Polynomial Probably.

Either that or you'd sass the judge until he jailed you for contempt of court.

I'm actually quite polite to judges thank you very much.

I was raised to say things like, "Yes ma'am." and "No sir."

@Poly - please change that sign and post a pic for us once complete. :-)
Right, gotta go and hand this device to my youngest to play a game :-/ later all.

I actually stole the pic from explanoit

Microsoft has resorted to some pretty lame ads for Internet Explorer http://i.imgur.com/C5AnajI.jpg

Tweeted by pacohope on March 29, 2013 at 7:15 PM

haha

7:29 PM

wt* does Jack of all trades, Jill of none mean? :O

I'm so damn nice when I ban people.

@JeffFerland what again? who what where?

I just love a good ban!

Yes, you really are :)

7:48 PM

@TildalWave Might be this? security.stackexchange.com/questions/33202/…

@Iszi oh but that's from yesterday, I thought it's someone new... maybe that special forces locksmith

-1

A: Changing locks on server cabinet

I spent 13 years in special forces breaking into physical locations (in the real world, where you get killed if you screw up) that you would not imagine. My brief "super glue the locks" was meant to imply - you can't really fix the problem of physical access. Period. Best you can do is find the ...

my 2TB TV drive just died :(

not the best end of my day

and no I did not have backups :/

oouch condolences

8:04 PM

and this fucking takeaway is 30 minutes late :|

it's been 1h 15m

8:25 PM

@Polynomial Warranty?

2 hours later…

10:09 PM

Holy crap. I wrote this big-ass answer, and then went to edit the question into something better, before I realized just who I might be handing a rep-train over to:

-1

Q: Free phone without GPS to enhance security and disable tracking

Richard Stallman told once that there was a phone without GPS. Could anybody suggest a model so I can be sure nobody is tracking me? I don't believe turning off such thing only in the menu and I am not too clever to do it myself via some tools

I mean, there's potential for a really good rep-train of a question there but... I... just... can't!

@Iszi Do it! We're all behind you, we all love you.

@Iszi Also, JESUS! That's a nice answer!

@Adnan @D-W saved me the headache.

@Iszi But but but :( we wanted to be behind you and love you.

@Adnan Heh. You can still show support for my answer. :-)

It's been awhile since I've gotten to write one like that. Felt good.

@Iszi I sense some bad-question-good-answer badge here

10:22 PM

@Adnan No, it was a good question. Just wrapped in a product recommendation and tainted by bad user history.

What's really frustrating is that it's not the question that drove me to answer. It was the glaring omissions of fact in the existing answers that had me frustrated. I mean, the answers weren't bad. They were just missing important points. When I got tired of beating those up in comments, I gave in and wrote the answer. And then started trying to make the question better - and only then realized who it was from.

@Polynomial "a little better" is all you'll give him? C'mon, I think he did a good job with that edit. We just hate knowing who the OP is.

@Iszi That's largely why I said "a little better"

@Polynomial That's no reason to under-credit good work by someone else though. :-P

true

I'm just cranky

fucking hard drives

today has not been my day.

@Polynomial That sounds painful. I'm not gonna Rule 34 that.

@Iszi If I were to fuck a hard drive, it'd be with a hammer. Damn things are a pain in the ass.

inb4 anal hard disk jokes

10:44 PM

Aww, crap. a dupe?!

Wait... I call mod shenanigans! No good, closing a question as dupe where you've got an answer in the proposed dupe @JeffFerland! ;-P

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