The DMZ

Flyk

3:00 PM

not because it is "my kind of game"

but because sometimes you've just gotta drive over a street full of people

with my subpac each kill is rewarded with a nice deep thud

it's like actually commiting mass slaughter

but then I got as far as unlocking Trevor

and omg what an asshole

it's like everything I hate about everything rolled up into one video game character

except he can burn down houses by covering their inhabitants with petrol and setting fire to it

Ohnana

but the prostitution was far worse in that game! never mind the cop-shooting and vehicular homicide

Flyk

cop shooting is fine

I'll never actually complete the game anyway

I just wanted to be able to drive over people and occasionally throw sticky bombs at the police

because doing that in real life causes issues

the voices are always far too loud when I'm thinking about driving somebody over in real life

if only there was the option to create a female protagonist

isn't it about time for another mass effect game

maybe I should just play through all of those again

David Freitag

3:20 PM

@Flyk I have been watching people stream that on twitch for the past week. Looks like a standard GTA game but it's pretty broken

@Ohnana Also, strip clubs are hilarious in that game.

Ohnana

i've actually never played GTA. i'm not really a AAA title person

David Freitag

They were moderately fun. GTA3 you could fly a tank over the ocean and prematurely enter the other islands.

Each iteration of the game basically just brings new mechanics, like the full-body latex suit from San Andreas, and better graphics and that's about it.

Lucas Kauffman

@RоryMcCune it's a good cert to have i think if I ever decide I don't want to stay within EY. Aside from that I also might want to become QSA and its a prerequisite

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman people choose to be QSAs?!?!

@LucasKauffman but yeah it's a useful career tool even if it doesn't teach you much about security

CodesInChaos

@Adi Yeah. Haven't seen Adnan and Kalina in chat for a while.

Rhino

3:28 PM

@RоryMcCune Excuse my ignorance, but what's a QSA?

Rоry McCune

@Rhino PCI auditor type

They attest compliance with PCI DSS

David Freitag

QSA

QSA may refer to: Qualified Security Assessor, a certification by the Payment Card Industry (PCI) Security Standards Council Queen's Scout Award Quaker Social Action Qt Script for Applications, a scripting engine Queen's South Africa Medal for service in the Boer War Queens of the Stone Age, a band Quality Society of Australasia, now the RABQSA International querySelectorAll – a JavaScript feature to select elements using CSS selector syntax...

Flyk

I entered a strip club in GTA5

everybody died

Rоry McCune

it's a tricky job 'cause the standard you are auditing to isn't owned by the same people paying you

Flyk

@CodesInChaos ...

Rоry McCune

3:29 PM

so there's a mixed incentive. audit too hard and you lose the job, audit too easy and you get kicked off the PCI QSA panel

David Freitag

@Flyk So then I take it you didn't go to a private room with one of the dancers? Haha, someone did that with twitch staff watching and started freaking out

Flyk

@DavidFreitag ...no

Rhino

@RоryMcCune Ah. Great.

David Freitag

@Flyk Well, if you're interested there's some fake boobies in your future.

Lucas Kauffman

@RоryMcCune I'm planning to do ASV work and implementation staying away from audit

Flyk

3:30 PM

technically it seems quite an achievement as well, everything seems to work well, large map, massive amount of detail all over the game world

David Freitag

@Flyk Have you tried multiplayer? I assume you haven't because that's a complete train wreck.

Flyk

car physics are a bit meh

no, I don't really have time to play multiplayer with a bunch of assholes not worth my time

which I guarentee is what any community attached a game like this will be like

David Freitag

Yeah that's pretty much what I figured.

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman yeah that'd be less painful, I'd imagine.

Flyk

for multiplayer, I can't see that any of its individual components are the "best" at anything

it's an average shooter at best

David Freitag

3:32 PM

@Flyk Well, it's quite fantastic when a bunch of great twitch people get together in a private session. I didn't mean play with some random people that would be total shit.

Flyk

it's an average driving game at best

it's an average heist simulator at best

David Freitag

@Flyk The multiplayer is about large heists you can pull off with 6-8 people.

Flyk

so is payday 2

and it's better at heists and shooting

David Freitag

True story.

Lucas Kauffman

@RоryMcCune as EY we are not allowed to sign off anyway, due to the liability

Flyk

3:33 PM

the crew is better at the driving part, except civilians jump out of the way like cats and never get hit

definitely no crunching of bones as you piledrive somebody into a wall carmageddon style

David Freitag

It's not even remotely worth it for me and fuck 67GB downloads

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman yeah I remember when PCI came out I was at EY IIRC and we looked at it and went "no chance" but not too many QSAs been sued so far

which is surprising given the number of breaches of companies who had "passed"

Flyk

@DavidFreitag it is an epically large download

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag 67GB ... for a game... that's insane!

Flyk

@RоryMcCune visually you can see why, though

David Freitag

3:35 PM

I mean, that would take an hour for me to download and I have 150mb/s service

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag yeah and on my 8Mb/s (on a good day) service.....

Flyk

I'm not sure "the amount of time it takes to download" is something I would consider when buying something

David Freitag

@Flyk No, it's that large because it's not compressed. It's a torrenting deterrent.

Rоry McCune

@Flyk pretty is nice but that bandwidth alone would cost me like £30

Lucas Kauffman

@RоryMcCune Reasonable assurance, plus an audit is a moment in time, if they changed their security between the audit and the breach there's tons of ways out

David Freitag

3:36 PM

@Flyk If I really wanted it, it wouldn't be an issue.

Flyk

@DavidFreitag downloading a file of that size isn't a deterrant

"Grand Theft Auto 5, 2.7TB" is a deterrant

David Freitag

@Flyk Well someone in some office somewhere thinks it is. They started the trend with ACU which was a huge 38GB, and GTA5 took it to a whole new level.

Flyk

I've probably uploaded more than that to YouTube

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman sure but if after the breach it's found that something would have been present at the time of audit which should have caused a fail like... all the external facing web servers being in the same windows domain as the Internal windows servers, then you'd expect some kind of follow-up

David Freitag

And ACU is WAY prettier than GTA5.

Flyk

3:37 PM

web facing Windows server? Now that's a vulnerability!

</bored>

Ohnana

i've seen games in the steam store that require NTFS filesystems.

...

David Freitag

@Ohnana Link?

Flyk

I've seen games in the Steam Store that require a mac.

Ohnana

ahhhh fuck now i gotta find it

Flyk

Now that's a joke, amirite

David Freitag

3:39 PM

There was an MMO when I was in highschool that was mac only

I wanted to play it so damn bad

Flyk

Empire: Total War

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag store.steampowered.com/app/20920

Flyk

"requires ntfs"

Rоry McCune

@Flyk actually not so much these days. A well configured Windows 2012 R2 with IIS 8.5 is quite nice out of the box

Flyk

@RоryMcCune I know, I was going for on topic stars

Rоry McCune

3:39 PM

@Flyk heh

CodesInChaos

@Ohnana Does it really require NTFS, or just a file system that supports files larger than 2GB?

Flyk

who knows, we only have what it says in the description to go by

David Freitag

@Ohnana I don't see where that says NTFS... it does say "System Requirements: Requires file system support for files up to 8 GB" though.

Ohnana

@CodesInChaos the one i linked requires up to 8 gb file support!

Rhino

@RоryMcCune Apart from the RCE in http.sys

We put a web server in the kernel because that seems like a totes good idea.

Flyk

3:40 PM

@DavidFreitag Empire: Total War actually says the words "requiers NTFS"

Rоry McCune

@Rhino well I'll believe that's an RCE when I see the PoC that does more than just DoS the service :)

Simon

@Flyk Oh, you've been playing a game that requires a download of 60 gb? Lovely!

Rhino

@RоryMcCune okay fair point :) but still

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag i'm pretty sure it used to... maybe they made it more general since it's a triple OS game

David Freitag

@Flyk Huh, so it does.

Flyk

3:41 PM

@Simon is the entire planet except me bitter about the game being 60GB?

Rоry McCune

@Rhino yeah bad speed/security trade-off in my mind, although IIRC it's a configurable option, so at least can be easily disabled

David Freitag

@Flyk It's unnecessary.

Flyk

@DavidFreitag you'd prefer to be able to still load your games off cassettes, wouldn't you?

Ohnana

if your game assets are that huge, you may want to look into optimization

just maybe

David Freitag

@Flyk I generally like to put the game I'm currently playing onto my 64gb ssd.

Flyk

3:42 PM

oh so that's the problem

Rhino

@RоryMcCune it depends. I've sympathy with the idea of one kernel, one purpose single use OSes - like mirageos. The OS ONLY serves http pages. Then userspace is redundant anyway because what else can the box do? Of course, this is the separation user/kernel space was kinda supposed to provide, but, complexity/security...

David Freitag

@Ohnana They are that large on purpose. It's a piracy deterrent.

Flyk

you're trying to cram a brand new game onto mid 2000's technology?

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag lawl

Flyk

and then complaining...

Simon

3:43 PM

@Flyk That and the fact that it came out on PC, what, a year after release?

Ohnana

some piracy deterrent... it just means you need to wait a bit longer for free stuff

Flyk

@Simon I only bought it because I like running people over

I don't care how long it takes to get released for PC

David Freitag

GTA has always been excellent for running people over.

Simon

Fair enough.

Flyk

yes

it's even more satisfying this time

David Freitag

3:44 PM

Even since GTA 1

Flyk

Although that could be the subpac

Rhino

The problem is, a hacked general purpose OS can be converted to do anything you like. So too could a hacked single purpose OS, you'd just need to re-write the entire infrastructure to do it, making the opportunity cost huge.

Flyk

having a game where I can cause mass murder helps keep the voices at bay

CodesInChaos

The low hitpoints of the tank in GTA annoyed me a bit. Blew up just from crushing cars.

Rhino

@CodesInChaos I agree. It's a tank.

CodesInChaos

3:45 PM

Luckily they fixed it in the sequel.

David Freitag

@CodesInChaos Yes, low hitpoints. But you could fly them!

DUUUUUDE I had no idea the graphics in this game were so awful.

Let's Play... Grand Theft Auto III (Flying Tank)

►

CodesInChaos

@DavidFreitag GTA 3? What's with that new fangled stuff?

Flyk

the police in GTA5 are just like in America

yesterday I saw one ram a civilian off the road and the fill him full of bullets

from the best of my knowledge, this punishment was for driving through a red light

but I'm not completely sure

David Freitag

Woah GTA 2 came out on the dreamcast?

Flyk

RIP Dreamcast

Simon

3:50 PM

rip

David Freitag

Hehehehe seriously

CodesInChaos

@Flyk No. The it was for resisting arrest.

Flyk

what, Dreamcast was my first games console

David Freitag

A bunch of twitch streamers have been playing retro games. Makes me want to buy an N64 so badly

Flyk

@CodesInChaos after being smashed off the road into a wall, that guy wasn't resisting anything

I get all of my education about the state of America from Grand Theft Auto games

CodesInChaos

3:52 PM

@Flyk He didn't stop immediately when the cop's wanted him to.

Simon

@CodesInChaos She still prefers her version of the story.

David Freitag

@Flyk I get all of my education about the state of Britain from Top Gear.

CodesInChaos

I'm also pretty sure that dead bodies can resist arrest as far as american cops are concerned.

Simon

@DavidFreitag RIP our British education.

David Freitag

@CodesInChaos Well yeah, he wouldn't put his hands behind his head and get in the cruiser.

@Simon I KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW D:

Flyk

3:54 PM

finally, Top Gear is off the air

major victory

David Freitag

I seriously hope Netflix picks them up.

Flyk

I seriously hope an asteroid takes out whereever he lives

Simon

zzz

Flyk

I would say I seriously hope an asteroid takes out whereever @Simon lives, but he already lives in a third world country

Simon

@Flyk Would you like some negativity to go with your negativity?

David Freitag

3:55 PM

If there's anyone who should hate Jezza it's an overweight American with facial hair.

Flyk

@Simon please

negativity is tasty

Rоry McCune

@Flyk you spelt that wrong

CodesInChaos

@Flyk Just one more startup you hear from only when it goes offline.

Ohnana

@Flyk who are you talking about?

Simon

@RоryMcCune Well spotted!

Rоry McCune

3:57 PM

@Flyk there's no e's or a's in that word

David Freitag

@Ohnana JC

Flyk

@RоryMcCune PLZ

@DavidFreitag Jesus Christ?

David Freitag

@Flyk Pretty much.

Flyk

I promise you that it's a fake

Rоry McCune

@Flyk well that is the british spelling, yes

Flyk

3:58 PM

there is no such thing as religion

CodesInChaos

@DavidFreitag just cidding

David Freitag

@Flyk Jeremy Clarkson

Simon

AKA Jezza

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag the tv host?

Flyk

I can't believe you just swore at me like that

David Freitag

3:58 PM

@Ohnana ....yes

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag why does everyone in his general vicinity deserve asteroids

Flyk

four dot ellipsis?

David Freitag

Apparently @Flyk hates the poor guy.

Flyk

he's not poor

he deserves all of the hate I can generate

Simon

pls

Flyk

3:59 PM

svp

David Freitag

@Ohnana shrug, ask @Flyk

CodesInChaos

Punching people = bad. Putting people on fire = good.

Flyk

EUGH YOU ANNOY ME SO MUCH I AM GOING TO KILL MORE PEOPLE

Ohnana

@CodesInChaos o i c

Flyk

@CodesInChaos punching somebody in the face because the chef at some third party has gone home?

please

David Freitag

4:01 PM

@CodesInChaos You forgot about the several hundred incidents of vehicular manslaughter.

Flyk

that's a level of asshole that's barely comprehendible

David Freitag

@Flyk Nobody's perfect.

Simon

@Flyk I'm super hungry right now and I feel like if someone told me I couldn't eat, I'd be mad.jpg

Possibly .png too.

David Freitag

@Simon Speaking of which... IT'S LUNCH TIME

Arperum

Dammit all. Now I'm super hungry. And I don't want to move from my chair.

David Freitag

4:15 PM

@Arperum First world problems.

Simon

FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

Arperum

@DavidFreitag Shush.

David Freitag

@Simon Chicken salad, mini oreos, and red bull. Yum!

Ohnana

i have triscuits

David Freitag

@Ohnana I prefer octakiscuits.

Arperum

4:29 PM

fuckitall. I'm getting chinese food.

David Freitag

@Arperum I had that for breakfast at 2am

Arperum

@DavidFreitag I'm trying to decide if I order two meals or one, and eat the second one later tonight.

David Freitag

@Arperum One. Reheated chinese food is always meh.

Hahaha, someone starred my war comment :D

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag seriously? what are you doing to reheat it, setting it on fire?

flyk is not a microwave

David Freitag

@Ohnana No, a microwave. Generally the rice is slightly crunchy and it just isn't as good as a freshly made meal. Order one now, and one later.

Ohnana

4:36 PM

@DavidFreitag add water to the rice

rice dries at it cools

David Freitag

@Ohnana Add water to your face

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag after you stop fucking up your rice

David Freitag

Usually the rice is in the same container as the rest of the meal, adding water to the rice means adding water to my General Tso's as well which won't fly.

Arperum

@DavidFreitag but they close at 10PM

Ohnana

it's absorbed by the rice, so it doesn't matter

David Freitag

4:38 PM

@Ohnana I read that wrong.

Ohnana

i'm talking like a tablespoon or so of water, not a cup

David Freitag

@Ohnana I was this close to saying "your face doesn't matter", but I stopped myself.

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag WE ARE TALKING ABOUT YOUR RICE ABUSE.

Arperum

@DavidFreitag What. No. The only time the rice is mixed with the rest of the food is when you order nasi.

David Freitag

@Ohnana Regardless, even if the rice is better with your tablespoon of water, the rest of the meal will be meh anyway.

@Arperum Ah, it's different here. Most places you get a large plastic container with rice filling about 60%, and the rest like General Tso or beef and broccoli occupying the remaining 40%

Arperum

4:40 PM

@DavidFreitag HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW HOW TO REHEAT FOOD? Have you never been a student?

David Freitag

@Arperum I'm currently a college student

Arperum

@DavidFreitag Well then, it's time to get creative with food.

David Freitag

I pretty much always plan to either order or make just enough food for one sitting.

Arperum

I generally make food for 2-3 people, and then eat it all in one sitting anyway.

David Freitag

Even if that food happens to be cubed spam sauteed with broccoli and rice or ramen

Rоry McCune

4:42 PM

@Ohnana that.. is a weird americanism... what's with "cup" as a unit of measurement

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune what do you measure dry ingredients and solids with while cooking?

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana scales

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune liquids by weight?

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana liquids with a measuring jug

with proper markings like ml or Fl Oz

Simon

That's the equivalent of a cup.

Ohnana

4:44 PM

8 us fl oz = 1 cup

Simon

At least here we usually have both the cup + mL measuring

David Freitag

@Ohnana Measure? Hahaha "YOLO!"

Ohnana

@Simon yep! 1 tbsp = 15 ml, 1 tsp = 5 mL

Rоry McCune

apart from when cups aren't the same measurement

Cup (unit)

The cup is a unit of measurement for volume, used in cooking to measure liquids (fluid measurement) and bulk foods such as granulated sugar (dry measurement). It is principally used in the United States and Liberia where it is a legally defined unit of measurement. Actual cups used in a household in any country may differ from the cup size used for recipes; standard measuring cups, often calibrated in fluid measure and weights of usual dry ingredients as well as in cups, are available. == Metric cup == Some countries in the Commonwealth of Nations, notably Australia and New Zealand, define a metric...

Adi

The Finnish police's 404 is pretty funny poliisi.fi/doesntexist

:D

Rоry McCune

4:45 PM

@Ohnana when you use an arbitrary word like "cup" people interpret differently.. when you use a real measurement, that happens less

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune didn't realize it wasn't standard

Rоry McCune

x mL is the same all round the world

cup is not

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune This is just another case where the rest of the world is wrong.

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag ....

Simon

lololol

Adi

4:46 PM

@raz If you have the chance, go for it.

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune I had to :P

raz

@Adi I suppose it looks good on a resume.

Rоry McCune

also per en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measuring_cup one cup of flour can weigh different amounts depending on the type of flour

this is probably not good for precise cooking

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune densities, yeah

but does it react by mass or by weight?

Adi

@raz and it will save you from any missed opportunities (positions, promotions, or raises)

David Freitag

4:49 PM

@Ohnana I don't know, let's go cook something on mars :D

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag or rory and i could do a bake off

David Freitag

@Ohnana Well unless one of you is secretly on a different planet, I don't see how you could achieve a test that would determine whether a specific ingredient reacts with a different weight.

raz

@Adi Why?

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag he measures by weight, i measure by volume, we see how things turn out

David Freitag

@Ohnana Yeah, but you said, "but does it react by mass or by weight?", not by volume.

Ohnana

4:53 PM

@DavidFreitag i got confused

derp

David Freitag

@Ohnana So did I. Then I decided to poke fun at you :D

Adi

@raz I mean, if promotions are your thing

raz

@Adi I mean why would not having it prevent me from promotion?

David Freitag

In Flames - Ropes

►

Maaaaan I REALLY like that song.

Adi

@raz Not this cert in particular and not any promotion, but usually when experience and achievements are similar, the guy with the most blingbling on the CV gets the promotion.

I'm sure @RоryM can tell you more about that

Rоry McCune

5:09 PM

@raz so some companies/roles get pre-req's put on them like degrees, and sometimes that's having a CISSP (or CISM etc)

Simon

5:46 PM

allo @Iszi

allo @ColinCassidy