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3:00 PM
@Simon did someone flag you?
 
@Simon #simon
 
raz
@TerryChia Cool. My company approved me to take Mandiant's Malware Analysis Intro Course.
 
Hi @AJH
 
@RоryMcCune I dunno, the only reason why I said that is because a mod I don't recognize joined the room, which usually means I'm about to die.
Ah, nevermind, everything looks fine.
 
@Simon heh
 
raz
3:00 PM
I'm generally skeptical of these types of courses, but we'll see how it goes.
 
@Simon Isn't that @kalina?
 
@TerryChia Could be related.
 
@AJH not sure whether this is a question that would work on main, can I run it by you in here first? Basically I want to know whether 2FA is flawed in the case where the user logs into the website from the same mobile device that the soft token (eg Authy) is on - does that make sense?
^^^ also @ anyone else who cares to put me straight
 
@JackDouglas Sounds like a reasonable question.
 
@TerryChia OK, thanks I'll ask it...
 
3:07 PM
@TerryChia @JackDouglas +1 yeah seems like a sensible q. my short answer would be yes did a blog post on a related topic the other day raesene.github.io/blog/2014/11/02/…
 
@RоryMcCune You need a custom domain. :)
 
@TerryChia I actually picked one up the other day I might use. pwndland.uk
 
@RоryMcCune Heh cool.
 
@JackDouglas I think it may be a dupe, but yes, it is a fine question
 
@RоryMcCune nurd
@AJHenderson Look who's late at the party.
 
3:11 PM
@Simon yo momma?
 
ma poor mum
 
@Simon ahh come on who doesn't own at least half a dozen domain names
 
@RоryMcCune Me.
 
@AJHenderson thanks, I've posted it, so I guess I'll soon find out if it's a dupe :)
 
@RоryMcCune Me, I own 2 which I don't use.
 
3:11 PM
It gets pretty expensive on a student's budget. :P
 
And it gets expensive on my donuts budget.
 
@TerryChia tut tut, you need to get yourself a cool .io domain
 
@JackDouglas if it isn't a dupe, it is definitely a question we should have, the short answer though is "yes, it's a potential problem in that it doesn't protect you from a compromised device, but it is still better than nothing"
 
@RоryMcCune Thanks for that - interesting read and very much related I think.
 
@TerryChia BTW do you know who makes the money from .io domain name sales?
 
3:13 PM
@RоryMcCune I have a .me domain. That's pretty hip. :P
 
@TerryChia yeah not quite .io but not bad
 
I think I'm sitting at around 10 or 11 domains at this point
 
@RоryMcCune Not a clue.
 
@JackDouglas np it's a topic that's been bugging me lately
@TerryChia the british government
 
some of which are tombstones that I keep around simply because I had e-mails directed there in the past
but most have active sites
 
3:14 PM
@RоryMcCune I figured .me is nice for a personal blog.
 
selfish.me would be nice.
 
err, I take that back, I have 17
 
@TerryChia it's actually a bit of a shameful story for the UK, they kicked out the natives of the British Indian Ocean Territories, to lease them to the americans for military purposes and now as there's no inhabitants the money for the domains goes to the UK gov.
@AJHenderson nice, I'm not even close to that
 
@RоryMcCune Typical colonial dictators! ;)
 
raz
@RоryMcCune I think the US tops it by giving Native Americans diseased blankets to kill them off their territory.
 
3:16 PM
wiicafe was a costly one, that was 4 different site names at various time, then I have about 4 personal related ones, another 5 family related ones and another 4 gaming community related ones
one of those will be dropping though
 
nurd
 
3:33 PM
@Iszi allo
 
3:52 PM
It also depends on the token's protections and the type of token. Amazon, Google and some other display the OTP on open. WiKID requires a token passphrase and a PIN prior to OTP delivery. — nowen 21 mins ago
wtb comment downvote
why oh why do people assume that anything that looks like a security step must actually be better for them
 
@AJHenderson because people are stoopid.
 
This guy is just plugging his enterprise.
Ugh, he's linking his website in most of his answers.
 
oh, it's a spam post too
awesome, can someone nuke his comment then
or perhaps we should leave it as I tear him a new one
before I just thought he was an ill-informed user of a stupid product
now that I know he's MAKING said stupid product and spreading his stupidity
it's an entirely different situation
 
@AJHenderson How about you take a minute to thank me? Perhaps a dozen donuts should work.
 
sure, thank you @simon for pointing out his affiliation, you earned your donut for the day
I even spelled it your way
 
3:58 PM
Wohoo!
 
that's me being generous
 
Yeah, that's appreciated.
 
raz
Man, what's a guy gotta do to get an IPV6 address around here.
 
Why do you want one anyway?
 
@Simon He's getting ready for 2050.
 
4:00 PM
@TerryChia Legit.
Maybe he's just a hipster like @AviD.
 
raz
@Simon My current project is analyzing the linux kernel ipv6 stack for vulnerabilities.
 
Sounds fun.
 
raz
It would be fun if the damn serial console would work on this damn router
damn, looks at watch damn damn
 
4:19 PM
@raz sounds like you're in Back to the Future
 
 
1 hour later…
damn
 
Argh. Really trying not to feed the troll here, but he's a pretty damn good troll.
@Iszi, You're missing the fact that. There are few things in life for which there are 'objective criteria'. It's an argument people tend to pop up when they're ducking this issue. People with legitimate purposes should go to Information Security forums and be scrutinized by their peer group. Removing it from Stackoverflow.com will do far far more good than harm. We can normally over ever write policies based on net outcomes rather than absolute guarantees. This issue is in the real world. I accept that. That's no excuse for doing nothing. — Dan Allen 1 hour ago
 
@Iszi I don't think that's quite right. He's more like a crazy person on a personal crusade. Far more dangerous than any troll.
4
 
I wanna punch this guy now.
 
5:43 PM
@Simon Go do it. I think I"m done with him. At least for now. I just don't have the energy, and am pretty sure any reasonable person can see that my arguments and the arguments of those before me are perfectly valid.
 
@Iszi He's so entitled to his opinion that it's useless to argue with him.
He's never gonna admit that he finds a counter argument valid.
 
Really wondering why I'm even bothering with a user who only has 621 rep network-wide, about half of which was given to him for free (association bonus), and never even bothered to step into the IT Security site until this morning.
 
I feel like any interaction with this guy would make my neck beard grow faster.
 
@Iszi Could be a sock puppet.
 
5:59 PM
Here's an odd one: Can't download Cain & Abel on my system. Download appears to complete, but then the file disappears. Can't find it in AV logs, and even tried doing it with AV disabled. WTF?
I think it would be a better-suited issue for SU than here, but I don't need people like Dan ruining my day just because I ventured beyond my own little village. ;-)
 
@Iszi Our village is the best, right daddy?
 
@Simon As long as you're calling it "our village", I don't think that can be true.
 
Why do you always have to break my heart?
 
@Simon Because it makes this really awesome crunch sound.
 
@DavidFreitag I stepped on a snail in October, it was the must disgusting sound I've ever heard.
I proceeded to apologize to the snail loudly.
 
6:05 PM
@Simon Is that a euphemism? Cause... gross.
 
You donut.
 
Since when has F1 ever been helpful.
 
@DavidFreitag I use it everyday when I forget which one of the clicks on my mouse is the left one and which one is the right.
I'm a motherfuckin' bootstrapper with the jQuery flavor.
 
6:36 PM
I'll have all of the storyboard chain reactions.
 
6:48 PM
React Quick!
HP Laptop? yay or nay: http://store.hp.com/NetherlandsStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=J5B41EA&opt=ABH&sel=PCNB#merch-marketing
(specs)
 
12 GB of RAM? Talk about a hipster amount of RAM.
 
I need to run VM's and stuff, so i need lotsa RAM, approx is 8GB for 3 VM's, but the laptop also has to be Future Ready, and have a bit of gaming capicity too (free time)
 
Oh my god, it has veiligheidssloten?
Amazing!
 
heh
 
@Lighty I'd say for $1000 it's a bit on the expensive side.
 
6:50 PM
^
Also design-wise, it's ugly as hell.
 
A lie7 with 12GB ram and an 840M should be closer to 800
 
well, it's HP, you kinda pay for the logo too i Guess
I need a new laptop for school stuff, but the i5 models around NVIDEA cards and 8~12GB models only have 2 cores and 1.6~1.7GHz
and when I find a descend i7 quad, its either hella expensive, or has something else that isn't "good"
 
I've got a website for ya
 
It says "Een cadeau boordevol cadeaus"!
 
6:54 PM
@DavidFreitag am I looking at a scam? or something I read over?
 
@Lighty It's legit. It's just absurd is all.
 
Also, if you stay too long on the page, Dustin tries to get you to speak with him.
 
Yeah but Dustin is a nice guy.
 
I feel bad for ignoring him now.
 
Last time I dropped by we talked about the weather for a half hour.
 
6:56 PM
Good guy Dustin.
 
@Lighty 17.3" display ? That's not a laptop, unless you are an elephant.
3
 
@Lighty Two things about that laptop, 1 the whole "Extra fast Hybrid Disc: 1 TB with 8 GB Flash Memory" is bullshit it has a 5400rpm seagate drive. That will need replacing immediately. 2, it doesn't have an AC-capable wireless card or gigabit ethernet.
 
@ThomasPornin I chuckled.
Honestly, I love 13" displays.
 
@ThomasPornin I enjoy 17" laptops much more than the 13" or 15" variants.
 
@DavidFreitag You're a big dude, I'm a small one.
I wanna say that might be the cause.
No, I don't mean fat by "big", stop being a woman now.
 
7:01 PM
@Simon I think it has more to do with the fact that if I'm using a laptop it's at a desk and not actually on my lap.
 
@DavidFreitag Could be.
 
@Simon Did you see that they rolled out music videos for google music on youtube?
 
@DavidFreitag I saw the ads but I haven't looked into it. Worth it?
Actually, I don't even care about music videos, why am I asking if it's worth it.
 
It's nothing special. You just get a button that lets you switch to youtube to play the video
 
thx for the heads up David, didnt notice that one
 
7:09 PM
@Lighty He enjoys giving a hand to young boiz.
 
@Simon ohmai
 
@Lighty Also the ram configuration is very weird. One 4GB stick and one 8GB...
You can find it much cheaper here, @Lighty icecat.kr/p/hp/j5b41ea-abh/17-f050nd-22537179.html
 
raz
Lighty's back...
 
Back again
 
raz
7:29 PM
Lighty's back
 
Tell a donut
@DavidFreitag Do you like deep house?
 
@Simon I have no idea.
 
7:46 PM
@Simon It's a little too chill for me right now. But otherwise I like it
 
@DavidFreitag Yeah it has to match your mood.
 
It's a lot like MGMT though
Like a Glitch Mob MGMT baby.
 
They were actually opening for The Glitch Mob when I went to their show.
 
So jelly.
 
They played some Electro Houseish (which they produced too). It was great.
Great discovery.
 
7:50 PM
I know we keep saying this, but I need to drive to Canada and go to a show with you.
 
Yeah you do.
There will be Hardwell in December. I'm not going though.
I don't care much about his music + it will be loaded with a bunch uncivilized cool kids.
 
Yeah I was going to say it will have to wait until spring.
 
The venue I used to go is kind of ruined by cool kids now.
The Glitch Mob was somewhere else, we had plenty of room to move around so it was awesome.
My next show is Dillon Francis on November 30th, that's gonna be great too.
 
@Simon Let me know if you plan to go to any shows past march or so.
 
@DavidFreitag Sure.
 
8:25 PM
OMG. I feel a "Part 4" coming on.
 
@Iszi What, eh?
 
ehwat
 
@RoryAlsop I'm starting to wonder if I should probably bring that little essay over to an MSec.SE question or something. Seems it might be good as a "canonical answer" if the community (or at least moderators) concurs.
 
@Iszi I suspected that was it, but I couldn't be sure it wasn't a HIMYM reference.
 
@DavidFreitag I haven't seen enough of the show to really make those.
 
8:28 PM
Why don't we just resolve to personal attacks instead?
 
@Iszi Oh. Me either.
 
@Lighty not sure about that one but I've got a HP elitebook 840 G1, best laptop I've owned by a long way
and I'm comparing that to Macbook airs and thinkpads
 
@Lighty I'm very happy with my HP ENVY, and have generally enjoyed products from their EliteBook and ProBook lines before. Haven't had a Pavillion though.
 
9:09 PM
I talked it over with my dad because he funds 50% of it (because its used for study too), and he wants me to get the laptop at the local hardware store, theyre good friends of us, and because we bought alot of stuff there, including 12 PC's, I get lifetime warranty :P
 
9:26 PM
@Iszi I would not only concur - I'd be enthusiastically supportive. It would make for a good canonical answer, but also has scope for a useful and interesting blog post!
 
@RoryAlsop Ah, thanks. Hadn't thought of that. Oh and "Part 4", for those interested, is going to be about why objective criteria are essential for moderation in our communities. Also covering why "hacking questions" is a category just as subjective and nearly as undefinable as "black hat questions".
@ThomasPornin I think that's the size of my laptop's display. And I do have a rather large "trunk"...
 
@Iszi I agree, your nose is much too large for your face.
 
@DavidFreitag Touche
 
@Iszi Yeah - If you look at the 4 answers there, that is some good material. Your's covers some excellent space from the technical side; Kate's has a nice bit on liability, Travis has a contract element, and Gilles has the specific around SE's terms of service. Good material all round :-)
 
I think it's funny that Google thinks I have a life. Google music wants to start a radio, "It's friday night are you... Hosting a party? Hanging with friends?..."
 
9:35 PM
@RoryAlsop I appreciate the support in that thread, but I think by now we need to stop assuming he's trying to selectively target malicious hackers and just accept that he wants to kill the hacking topic altogether.
 
@Iszi I think you are right.
 
Quote from a draft I have in progress (putting it down for now, will come back later): "Nearly every programming question in existence could potentially be about hacking."
 
:-) well, it is true
 
(To be fair, that's not to say that every programming question in existence could just as easily not be about hacking - but there's an insurmountably massive gray area.)
 
@Iszi Indeed it is true, if you aren't hacking you aren't programming.
 
9:38 PM
@DavidFreitag Ah, using the classical definition of hacking. Nice.
 
@Iszi MIT meaning :-)
 
here's a company you'd really hope are getting their security right finextra.com/news/…
brand new digital-only bank
Can you say "massive target"
 
@RоryM After reading that, I've made good progress. Now I'm getting more predictable crashes
 
@RоryMcCune Nah, it's digital. That means if there are any breaches they can just change all the numbers back.
 
@Adnan vuln. research is one of the few places that "more predictable crashes" is considered a good thing...
@DavidFreitag heh and it's backed by an advert agency, so they'll be totally focused on security, so I'm sure it's all good
 
9:53 PM
@RоryM The issue is that I can't get code execution even with ASLR and DEP disabled
 
@Adnan bummer :(
@Adnan hey you could put a question on Sec.SE :)
 
@RоryMcCune Thank goodness that Dan guy only has 100 rep over here.
 
@Iszi indeed!
 
10:24 PM
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Q: How secure is a password with English words?

glooI typed the following password in howsecureismypassword.net yummy candy yummy It said it would take 100 billion years for a pc to crack. Is this accurate? Even though it has English words (that are related moreover) it is more secure than a random string of length 14? If this is true everyone s...

I'm sure we have a duplicate for that, can someone find it?
It is NOT a duplicate of the xkcd question, because here the words are not chosen randomly
Actually, maybe we don't have a duplicate. Because there are really two questions: explain how entropy relates to character set and length, and explain that password checkers are crap
 
10:39 PM
@Lighty Wow, is it just me or is HP's site really a bit too self-contradictory? "Cases ranging from 10 in. to 17.3 in." Umm... nope. Not seeing any 17.3" cases in that section. "Choose USB hubs from Targus, Belkin, and Sabrent: (View 1 Product)". "HP & Logitech keyboard/mouse combos" - no sign of Logitech there. "Ergonomic keyboards available" - nope.
 
11:28 PM
@Iszi So i'm not the only one who noticed that
 
@Lighty Oh, I came across a few more too. Gave one of their chat reps a screenful of gripe, since I'm really wanting a 17.3" bag and love Logitech.
 
yeah, I'm in the market for a cool bag, going to get my laptop get customized by the local hardware store
i have a 100,- giftcard for a huge electronics store over here (Mediamarkt.nl), so i can get a nice bag there and maybe something else, or just save whats left on the card
 
@Lighty Let me know if you come across anything good for 17.3".
I've found it generally a hard size to fit.
Strangely, a random backpack my wife has just barely fits it. So, I've been using that on the rare occasion I've actually taken this thing out. But it's a bit too feminine for me to keep as a long-term solution.
 
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