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3:00 PM
My parents were married for 40 years and moved 40 times, so moving is a bit of a family art form - but this is a new experience
@SmokeDispenser about to - moving to Scotland at the end of May
 
oh, meetup with the rorys? the UK mod-hogging;)
 
@SmokeDispenser I'm sure many pub visits will be had
 
@schroeder is it the Edinburgh job you've gone with?
 
@RоryMcCune yep!
 
@schroeder oh did no-one tell you, we scots are all strict teetotalers :)
 
3:02 PM
@RоryMcCune I've BEEN to Scotland .....
 
@schroeder coolio, I'm sure you'll like Edinburgh (well apart from in August anyway)
 
whisky isn't alcoholic. Much.
 
Congratulations, man. Seriously.
@schroeder heh, yup. I am envious!
 
@schroeder congrats on the new job!
 
@schroeder ya, we've moved like crazy.
 
3:03 PM
I'm not a fan of UK Immigration right now
I paid $10k CAD for visa fees
 
@schroeder you should bond with @Adi over that... I get the impression he isn't a fan either
 
and that with my visa being basically free because of the type I was awarded
 
@schroeder as a canadian, it should be not too bad, commonwealth and anything considered, I would've thought?
 
@SmokeDispenser it helps in part
but I still need to do a English language proficiency test
 
@SmokeDispenser The technical detail is that while the Queen of Canada and the Queen of England are the same person, the crowns are distinct.
 
3:05 PM
... and visas, obviously.
 
@schroeder That's because we don't like weird US spellings, and we're suspicious of you guys, being so close...
 
@ThomasPornin did CGP Grey lie or did I remember that wrong?
 
my wife used to teach ESL and is certified to administer the UK English proficiency exam, and she still needs to do it
 
@Matthew I thought that'd be because you dislike the french even more;)
 
@SmokeDispenser Maybe you remembered wrongly.
 
3:06 PM
@schroeder Yeah... Logic takes a backseat in these things
 
we have worked out a whole fun script to use during the exam :)
 
@schroeder that's absurd.
 
@SmokeDispenser Part of the immigration process, for any country, is to make sure of the motivation of the immigrant. Hence seemingly absurd procedures still have some rational justification.
 
OH! I have a question for UK folks or those who might know: buy or lease a car?
 
Same with the expensive fees.
 
3:07 PM
@schroeder New or secondhand?
 
@ThomasPornin I'm not saying they haven't.
 
and how feasible to get an electric car?
@Matthew either? I need something fast as soon as I land
 
@schroeder then probably not electric, based on the last tests Top Gear UK made with the tesla;)
 
@SmokeDispenser well and you know, bears...
 
@schroeder Either order now, or secondhand then - can hire one for a while but it would get expensive
 
3:10 PM
@ThomasPornin and I understand that (and even approve of it) but I need to pay a Heathcare surcharge based on every year I plan to be there - it's NOT a pre-payment of healthcare tax (which I can understand) but it's a fee for the privilege to pay the healthcare taxes
 
@ThomasPornin ... why?
The crown is dependant of the country that you're ruling?
 
It's like one person wearing both a developer and an admin hat.
 
DEVOPS FTW
 
@schroeder From my experience, you'd normally be looking at between a week and a month for a new car, in stock config, and twice that if you want something non-standard (like a different colour)
 
@AviD Startup FTW. Far more hats than people :)
 
3:13 PM
@Simon Conceptually, the crown matches the kingdom, and the current king (or queen) is mostly the physical support on which the crown rests.
 
@schroeder at least you can. In germany, if you earn a specific amount, you have no grounds to be in social health care at all.
@ThomasPornin I had been mistaken by canada being part of the commonwealth and as such kinda part of the UK and with that, some EU stuff kicked in.
gonna re-watch the EU explained*-video later;)
 
@SmokeDispenser Not familiar with German immigration laws. Foreigners can't enter National healthcare if they earn enough for private healthcare?
 
@CodesInChaos neither can germans
not part of the immigration, part of the health care
 
@SmokeDispenser The Commonwealth of Nations is an organization of whom some independent states (53 for now) are members. UK is one of the members, Canada is another member.
 
@SmokeDispenser In general Germans can. You just can't change back from Private to National if you earn enough.
 
3:18 PM
if you're not already in the system when you reach the threshold, you're out.
@CodesInChaos ^ that
 
$1667 per month for health care hoooooo
 
@CodesInChaos, I, for example, wouldn't have gotten into national health care if I didn't have a job below the threshold as my parents are in private health care.
 
@SmokeDispenser AFAIK you get to decide when you take your first job.
 
isn't healthcare in EU now supposed to be unified in the sense that if you're paying for your healthcare in any EU country you can seek treatment in any EU country?
 
@CodesInChaos only if that is below the threshold (which it usually is)
@CodesInChaos, but you know... Germans and rules;)
 
3:22 PM
@ThomasPornin I see.
 
I was in Private Insurance as child and student (through my father) and switched to National healthcare afterwards.
 
@TildalWave this sounds wonderful. My health care in China consisted of having the village shaman chant the names of all the forgotten idols of old, and rubbing weird pastes on me. I also got a nice powering too.
 
And I'm pretty sure I earned enough to choose, at the time.
 
So as soon as someone wears the crown, he/she rules the kingdom, gotcha.
Be right back, gotta get either of the crowns.
 
I also got sicker instead of getting better
 
3:23 PM
@CodesInChaos, btw, I guess you are german? do you read "Fischer im Recht"? It's great.
 
@MarkBuffalo powering?
 
"Here, drink this powdered deer pens tea and you'll get better"
 
ah powder
 
@SmokeDispenser Never heard of it.
 
@TildalWave Sorry. Powdering
 
Adi
3:23 PM
@schroeder I've always thought you're German
@RоryMcCune I confirm. Assholes!
 
@CodesInChaos you did? the threshold is... quite high. at about 4.6k eur. that's pretty good for a freshman:)
 
Rubbed powder all over me and kept chanting Mao Zedong Thought. I may be slightly exaggerating in that there were no chanting or singing... but the rest, yup.
 
yeah Chinese medicine is riddled with superstition
 
One guy even had powdered rhino horn to make him get it up. Older guy. Lol
 
but it's a very effective marketing ploy :)
 
3:25 PM
@SmokeDispenser Earned 5k-ish at the time. Now it's a lot less.
Startups FTL.
 
It apparently really helped him
 
@CodesInChaos have a link to todays article.. Basically, it's law bundled with philosophy and rants.
 
@MarkBuffalo Apparently? Did he become a tripod and developed an innovative mode of motion? Or do you mean allegedly? :P
 
@TildalWave Some of it actually works
Not all of it.
 
@SmokeDispenser Got lucky, since I already knew somebody in the company who could vouch for my programming skills.
 
3:27 PM
@CodesInChaos then you may got lucky with the health care. they are not bound to take you on then;)
 
@SmokeDispenser AFAIK you always get to choose for your first real job.
 
@TildalWave allegedly. For personal reasons, I was unable to verify the authenticity of the rhino horn powder. Instead, I laughed and gave him a thumbs up
 
@MarkBuffalo that from Chinese medicine what is proven to work, you can also get here
 
He was very embarrassed
 
@CodesInChaos AFAIK that "first job" is considerd university. There you can choose.
 
3:28 PM
Since I was a foreigner, I was not supposed to be able to read the box... haha
 
(as it's also considered as a job with pensions)
 
@SmokeDispenser I had to sign something at the beginning of my studies that I can't switch during my studies, but I'm pretty sure I had to right to choose afterwards.
 
@CodesInChaos I see. will check that;)
I didn't have that option
(maybe because freelancing during university)
 
Bahahahaha
 
@MarkBuffalo you don't want a whole effin China to believe there's anything to rhino horns unless you want rhinos to become extinct
 
3:30 PM
This reminds me of when I install Chinese chat clients, and it blocks me from accessing Facebook, etc
 
having 1 billion people believe something can be devastating
 
@TildalWave True, I doubt it works... I just thumbsed him up for being, erm, active at like 74
 
A friend recommended using Private Insurance when your young, and then exploiting some legal loophole to get back into National Insurance later.
 
@CodesInChaos, Fischer is a good read, even with his complex grammar. fun thing to read, once a week :)
@CodesInChaos the loophole closes at 35, I think. I am in public HC now, everything is fine. Is the better concept generally, IMHO :)
 
@Adi lol - nope - when I first started contacting UK immigration lawyers, they kept saying, "you don't need a special visa, you're German and an EU citizen" just because of my name
 
3:33 PM
@schroeder :D
 
@schroeder did you get job offers to work as a document shredder because of the pronunciation too?
 
@schroeder You're obviously our former chancellor.
 
@TildalWave pls
 
@CodesInChaos right. gimme a bottle of beer!
 
@Simon I aim to pls
 
3:37 PM
pls no
 
@schroeder Did you actively search for jobs abroad, or were you approached?
 
Alright. off work I am, into the pub. see you tomorrow, guys:)
 
@MarkBuffalo I've been looking for jobs in the UK - it's been a longer term plan
 
@schroeder Ah, cool. I'd love to live and work in Switzerland
I love that place
 
@schroeder dont do it man our weather is awful and chavs are breeding faster
 
3:47 PM
@silverpenguin It's a lovely sunny day today!
 
@Matthew The first in 3 years?
 
@Matthew you can tell you are sat at your desk all day! go out side about 3 hours ago your nipples will cut glass
 
wat
 
@Simon watz
 
@Simon This is Mancunian summer! Am sitting here in a t-shirt!
I got a thank you! A THANK YOU!
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Adi
4:09 PM
@schroeder Do you get the "shortage list golden arse" type visa?
 
@Matthew Impossibruuuuu.
 
@Adi yep
 
Adi
@schroeder They made my life so painful, man.
 
@Adi I'm now an "internationally recognized, world-leading Exceptional Talent"
@Adi how so?
 
Adi
At one point, we got stuck on the interpretation of "5 years of experience and team leading experience"
 
4:14 PM
LOL
 
Adi
Does it mean the team leading experience should also be 5 years?
Or just even 1 day + 4.999 years
 
they modified the rules in November, if you applied before then
 
looks like hell is getting a bit chillier today... "To make Windows a more comfortable home for Web devs, the bash shell is coming to Windows." (from the MS Build keynote)
 
Adi
@RоryMcCune Hahahahahaha
 
@RоryMcCune eeep
 
4:17 PM
MS are getting super-serious about capturing modern dev. mindshare
 
Adi
Looking at MS' trackrecord, we'll probably have CSS->SYSTEM exploit the day of the release
 
@RоryMcCune wait, why are they putting bash on windows?
windows has powershell, which is imho pretty neat
and at least on par with, if not better than bash
 
@Ohnana apparently they're allowing native ubuntu binaries to run on Windows...
 
Adi
@Ohnana It's lot more structured than Bash
by miles
 
@RоryMcCune reverse WINE?
wow
 
4:18 PM
@Ohnana something like that, by the sounds of it
 
Adi
The issue is that it's too dependent on .net knowledge
 
@Ohnana More like making Cygwin a native feature, I think.
 
@Adi yeah and the module thingys are really neat
 
they'll want to get all the "Mac only" crowd back to windows
 
@Iszi cool!
 
4:19 PM
given that apple aren't exactly focusing on their Macbook line
there's an opportunity for MS to steal some people
with shiney hardware + familiar software
 
haha do linux people care about shiney hardware? i've always seen them nerd out about shiney driver support
@QPaysTaxes there is nothing there that implies it is "good"
it hasn't been flagged yet
no one's looked at it enough to care... the upvote split is 29-2
@QPaysTaxes Q: was it your first answer on the site?
 
@QPaysTaxes because I was sleeping?
like, literally?
 
@QPaysTaxes so, first answers are put into a special queue for review. they're typically quickly looked at and actively reviews
that appears to be someone's second or third answer, so no one cares :D
 
@QPaysTaxes And now you're expecting me to read THREE paragraphs?
You are a confirmed mad man.
o am soz
 
so it's helpful for catching utter crap, but it can also dogpile on ambivalently-meh answers
 
4:23 PM
@Ohnana mac people do, and have you been to a dev. conference... macs... macs everywhere
 
@RоryMcCune "mac people" are the babbys of CS
 
@Ohnana HEY
 
do not speak of these "mac people" in my presence
 
TAKE THAT BACK
 
@Simon i'm sorry, baby is too harsh
 
4:24 PM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
@Ohnana they are also a lot of the percentage of devs at many large companies
well hipster companies
 
you're little toddlers constantly chasing after shineys
better?
 
hey @AviD you'll finally be able to start using windows again
 
pls
I have the 2012 Macbook pro model.
 
1 2 3 4 LET'S START A HOLY WAR!
WOOOO
 
4:25 PM
If I were chasing dem shineys, I'd have a brand new one.
 
@Simon surface book is waay nicer than that
 
@RоryMcCune See here's the issue with the Surface: it runs Windows.
I'm happy with Ubuntu at work and OS X at home.
 
@Simon yeah but if you can run ubuntu binaries on windows on a surface book
that's even better
!
 
@RоryMcCune you know what would be even better?
using ubuntu in the first place
:D
@QPaysTaxes 2 upvotes + 1 downvote -- so someone agrees with you
 
@RоryMcCune Yeah but OS X is shineyyyyyyy and super stable.
 
4:27 PM
@Ohnana well xubuntu maybe , but not native ubuntu
 
Haven't had any issues with OS X so far in more than 2 years.
 
@QPaysTaxes oh i'm rollin up my sleeves now son
@RоryMcCune yeah, i'm on debian stable rn. it's so nice.
@RоryMcCune yeah, i'm on debian stable rn. it's so nice.
oh lawd network plz
 
@QPaysTaxes you can also see that your comment is very upvoted, and the OP critiqued the new answerer as not answering the question
 
@Ohnana yeah I try debian sometimes, and I like it in principle but hardware support (last time I tried) was still a touch dubious...
 
@QPaysTaxes i'm sorry, i'll try not to play along next time :(
 
4:29 PM
@RоryMcCune Hence why OS X is a better choice most of the time.
 
@Simon until Windows 10 got ubuntu binary support of course, then OSX is just yesterday's tech
 
@RоryMcCune i connected my cheap bluetooth headset designed for phones yesterday
i can't get it to work on windows :O
 
Thomas said he's using it because of the hardware support: if it doesn't work on OS X then it'll never work, unlike Linux where it could theoretically work if you spend your life on making it work.
 
@RоryMcCune That's the good thing about Ubuntu: the release cycle goes at about the right pace. Not too slow with regards to newer hardware or software (like Debian stable), not too fast to be reliable (like Debian testing)
 
@RоryMcCune You're yesterday's tech.
 
4:31 PM
@ThomasPornin yeah I'm going to try my laptop on Xubuntu 16.04 when it comes out, should be a good match it's a little bit old hardware-wise but pretty mainstream
 
@QPaysTaxes well, it's accumulating flags now presumeably -- usually you can post a question/answer in here that needs attention and it accelerates the review process
 
@Simon p.l.s.s.s.s.s.s.s.s.s
 
because it's human powered, things can get lost, and it's also subject to wetware downtime
re: schroder and I being asleep over the 9 hr period
 
#wetware
 
@RоryMcCune Personally I tend to use Lubuntu (different choice of packages), which is more "old-style" in its interface, and also lighter in RAM.
 
4:32 PM
@QPaysTaxes well, anyone can flag
and tbh, no one's got the time for all that lol
 
@QPaysTaxes Looking at answers? The only answers I read are my own answers.
 
@QPaysTaxes iirc, if something lands in the low-quality queue a consensus can vote to delete
aaahhhh my network is making pandora skip
 
@ThomasPornin Given you've voted on 548 answers, this sounds like a scandal in the making.
 
....@RоryMcCune Ubuntu binaries on Windows...?
 
@Xander :OOOOOOOO
 
4:35 PM
@QPaysTaxes it's like 5 or so edits away
 
@Xander The SE rep system rewards voting, not reading. It's their fault.
 
@ThomasPornin yeah I used lubuntu for a while, but I (and this is a bit of a wishy washy thing) just liked xubuntu's GUI more, plus it seemed to have a better default package list (build essentials by default for example)
@MarkBuffalo correct
 
@ThomasPornin Ha ha, I can't argue with that.
 
also Xbox Dev-Mode
 
@QPaysTaxes don't you have an association bonus?
 
4:36 PM
@RоryMcCune ....why?
 
@MarkBuffalo to help them get more dev-mindshare
 
It's almost like Microsoft is slowly absorbing Linux, or even the other way around...
 
@QPaysTaxes derp right
 
from all the devs who know bash and don't know windows
 
@RоryMcCune I cannot argue with aesthetic choices -- they are, by definition, arbitrary.
 
4:37 PM
@QPaysTaxes 4k is high rep?
 
@Ohnana #HighRepProblems
 
@RоryMcCune huh? I was under the impression that Linux is not often used for development, at least not anywhere near as much as Windows.
 
@MarkBuffalo one of the few things that linux is good at is dev
are you for real son
 
Well, that was wrong
Never mind tha r luls
 
server + dev + backend. desktop + games + fun is what it's bad at lol
 
4:39 PM
@MarkBuffalo there's a lot of devs who use macs to develop 'cause it's similar to linux which is their deployment environment
 
@Ohnana I'm a bit in the dark here
 
@MarkBuffalo I've been to ruby confs where macbooks were over 90% of the laptops there
 
I'm primarily a Windows developer
 
@RоryMcCune BARF
BAAAAARF
 
But I also develop on Linux from time to time
@RоryMcCune ugh
 
4:40 PM
I test on Linux, write reports and play games on windows and (infrequently) video edit on a mac
it's possible (just possible) that I may have too many computers
 
When I develop in C#, I use vim. Windows, Linux, OS X... is just a facility used by vim to save files.
 
A lot of my server projects are indeed linux
@ThomasPornin This is called insanity
I used to literally code in a blank text editor like that
Then I became an intellisence cripple
@RоryMcCune Well, on Linux. The main thing I like are the shell prompts
 
@MarkBuffalo I don't like Intellisense -- it makes editing unpredictable.
 
It's very quick compared to a bunch of point and click stuff
@ThomasPornin How so?
 
@MarkBuffalo well there you go, you can get those on windows now :)
 
4:44 PM
@MarkBuffalo In my practice of code writing, an important ergonomic point is that my brain shall be able to predict the outcome of editing actions -- I don't wait for the visual feedback.
Any auto-completion prevents that.
 
@MarkBuffalo basically he's hardcore
from a generation that remembers things, rather than remembering where to find things
 
@ThomasPornin I have this same issue, when it sometimes lags while I'm already typing the code it's about to suggest... or it basically overwrites what I'm trying to write with something totally bs
 
Also, I often type a line while looking at another line, before or after the one I enter. The popups tend to appear at the wrong place.
 
Same
 
@ThomasPornin You're also a mad man.
 
4:46 PM
I find that with the toast notifications in Windows 10
 
But I've found workarounds for the intellisense issues I've had
 
they overlap the same space used by the expanded notification area
 
@Simon I cannot, in all logic, reject that possibility.
 
^post on ubuntu in windows 10
so all user-mode ubuntu packages should work in windows
installed using apt-get
 
@RоryMcCune I have to say, if this works as well as I hope it will, it'll be amazing. There are so many things I pop into a VM for that I'll be able to do natively now.
 
4:49 PM
@RоryMcCune daaaaaamn
@Xander Same
 
Yeah if it works it is indeed quite nice.
 
@Xander yeah it could stop me needing to run a linux VM for test, I can just test out of windows, would be nice from a management perspective
 
Only user mode?
 
da fuk is user mode?
 
@MarkBuffalo well the blog mentions running services, which open TCP ports
so some stuff must be possible for networking things
 
4:51 PM
Ah, non-admin mode I assume?
 
@Simon as opposed to kernel mode.
 
@Simon I'm guessing no low-level kernel stuff
 
o
I was completely wrong.
#yolo
 
@kalina my brain got overflowed on that a while back, I am however good at remembering where I found stuff and finding it again
 
This probably means implementing the kernel API (as expected from userland) as a layer above the Win32 API (or the NT kernel API).
Maybe something like User-Mode Linux
Windows had already done work on such things with SFU
They could provide a sort-of native Posix API to Windows
 
4:54 PM
So now it will be possible to infect Windows with UNIX viruses?
Niiiice.
 
The main points that make me prefer Linux over Windows on my own PC are the economy of RAM and the much smoother handling of updates. Ubuntu-over-Windows won't really fix that.
 
it's easy to achieve economy of RAM when you have no decent software to run
 
@kalina On the contrary, it is indecent software that gobbles up RAM.
(especially Web browsers)
 
Google Chrome :(
gobbler of battery power
rip shared history
 
@Simon pls the only platform that gets viruses is windows, you should know that </sarcasm>
 
4:58 PM
@RоryMcCune is that sarcasm?
 
@kalina ... yes!
sorry I should've closed my tags
 
@kalina That's almost insulting him to ask seriously
 
@MickLH nope
 

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