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1:00 PM
@Simon We did. It's called the DMZ.
 
I have one.
 
lololol
I wonder how @CodesInChaos is IRL. I bet he's a gigantic donut.
 
no, you're thinking of @LucasKauffman.
 
Am I?
 
@AviD Lucas is a llama, not a doughnut.
 
1:02 PM
@AviD in some/most/alot of cases the DBMS user will have access to the app. code making access to keys stored there less of a protection than users might think
not to say that there aren't some cases where it would've helped but I, for one, wouldn't rely on that separation...
 
@RоryMcCune very true. but that in itself has a whole bunch of other issues, unrelated to password protection.
 
if that's regarded as a valid additional step I'd use a "pepper" style string to add to the hashing function...
 
And not just any llama. He's also dangerous sociopath with a long history of violence.
 
@AviD indeed, just a common issue
 
@RоryMcCune oh absolutely, not saying to rely on it at all - just saying it is not equivalent.
 
1:04 PM
@AviD "Currency" in general is a shared dream, that works as long as nobody awakens. However, this is more stable in the long run when it is backed by some powerful tangible reality (gold ingots previously, now nuclear warheads).
 
even if it WERE a valid protection from THAT THREAT, it still wouldnt be an acceptable solution, since there are other threats that are not prevented by it.
 
@AviD yes
 
@TerryChia: I released an updated Makwa specification and implementation a few days ago. You may want to include it in your bindings.
New version should be backward compatible with the previous one (Makwa itself has not changed; a few extra functions have been added).
 
@RоryMcCune What the hell is that?
 
@ThomasPornin Not sure about the nukes. "Shut up while we devalue our currency for fun".
 
1:06 PM
@RоryMcCune again just to be clear: I am not saying symmetric encryption is okay for passwords. I am merely stating that it is not riskfully equivalent to plaintext.
 
@AviD I don't concern myself with the infinitesimal.
 
@ThomasPornin Ah cool. I should get those in the releasable state.
 
@ThomasPornin actually, in most cases the currency's stability is backed by the currency's perceived stability.
 
@Simon Chap hop artist does a tribute to acid music :)
 
@CodesInChaos please. you're a cryptographer, of course you do.
 
1:07 PM
@AviD Yep. But, ultimately, down the whole tower of turtles, lies the ultimate reality, i.e. violence.
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regardless its not infinitesimal, but it is academic. in most cases (but not all).
 
@RоryMcCune He's full of lulz.
 
@ThomasPornin shouldnt that be "threat of violence"?
 
@Simon he did a good history of hip-hop one as well
 
@AviD You have to use it occasionally, to keep the threat credible.
 
1:09 PM
@AviD I love that ASoIaF scene where varys asks what power is.
 
Oh my our economy stalls let's invade Iraq
 
We should do that, maybe our Canadian dollar would stop sucking Ds.
 
@ThomasPornin fair enough. but as we see in baltimore, too much indiscriminate use and the whole tower of babbling turtles collapses.
@CodesInChaos damn, dont remember the quote. but now that you mention it, I think it was also something around that, right?
 
Though that isn't really true either.
 
1:15 PM
@CodesInChaos ah yes.
@CodesInChaos well, he was talking about political power.
which is kind of a make believe concept, anywhere outside of man's imagination and fear complexes.
 
But it is possible to be powerful without many knowing you are.
 
you dont need "many", you just need a few with power of their own.
 
1:31 PM
you know a product is horribly outdated when the official documentation talks about a recent add-on to support "newer GUI-based operating systems, like Windows 95".
 
@AviD I don't get it.
 
@AviD ouch that's even better than the sites that say "best viewed with Netscape Navigator"
 
@RоryMcCune well when you're dealing with a programming language developed in the '80s, and obsoleted in the '90s, this is to be expected.
 
@AviD Delphi?
 
@RоryMcCune Informix 4GL, since you're curious, and yes it seems that it is still widely in use. :-(
 
1:36 PM
@AviD <shudder>
 
@RоryMcCune oh yes.
it is interesting though, since the language design and very architecture of the programming environment is like visiting a history musuem.
f.e. there is a seperate environment if you want to be able to "rapid compile" your application, though that will run sluggishly, and a different one if want it to compile it to a precompile pseudo-C language that will get compiled into C code which will then be precompiled and then compiled into efficient machine code.
'course, you can't just go and do that in a regular work day.
I guess they expect you to schedule a timeslot on the mainframe for real compilation.
probably with punched cards, I assume.
I should ask @RoryAlsop about that.
 
@AviD yeah he remembers 4GLs when they were 1GLs
 
2:39 PM
Hi All
 
@AviD lol
@RоryMcCune and lol
 
 
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7:10 PM
all pls don't talk at the same time I can't follow the discussion.
 
@AcidicSimon Well, you aren't so base anymore ....
 
@schroeder Oh you!
 
@AcidicSimon wat I cant even
 
7:26 PM
@AviD What is this horror?
 
8:08 PM
Oh.. I think I am referring to the OSI model, I just wasn't clear on that. I'm looking at a graph now. — user3577397 3 mins ago
inventing terminology and hoping to get an intelligible answer .....
 
Layer 1 DDoS attack: lot's of people with pliers in the major internet exchanges of your country simultaneously cutting fibre cables...
it's the new cybergeddon
I'm gonna write a book
first, the diy store ran out of pliers... and then our critical national infrastructure failed
 
Layer 0 DDos attack: Asteroid strikes earth, none survive.
 
and... to boot... the pliers all came from Russia and China!
Or maybe that was layer 2? Oh well don't care.
 
@ThomasPornin It actually happened???
I shouldn't be surprised but I am
 
8:16 PM
@Rhino The story went round the Internet a few years ago; I cannot vouch that it is real, but it looked genuine.
It appeared through the usual news agencies.
But they obviously feed from the same source.
 
This is incredible. My book idea is destroyed though.
 
One may ask on Skeptics.SE to get some details.
 
Unless it was part of some dastardly cyberterrorist plot. Hmmm perhaps I still have something to work with
 
@Rhino From a terrorist group formed primarily of 70+ year old women no less!
 
@DavidFreitag There's a few movies with this theme already unfortunately - or more accurately only a small number survive and the next 2 hours is spent watching how they get along.
@DavidFreitag It's brilliant because nobody would expect it.
 
8:22 PM
Now go! Write it! :D
Perhaps someone with technical knowledge will produce a novel/film of some quality :]
 
@DavidFreitag For a plot twist, make it so that one of the 70+ year old women is an MI6 undercover agent -- the Queen herself in disguise !
 
@ThomasPornin I was just imagining a scene in the NSA command room where Gen Keith Datasaurus is frustrated with Winstanly, the elderly record keeper still working past retiring age who hasn't yet really mastered technology. Gen Keith is frustrated because when asked to redact several important documents, Winstanley used a black marker on the screen...
...but it turns out this is all a massive ploy. Winstanly is in fact a super hacker and perfectly placed with a set of brand new pliers in his draw, ready to rain cyberterrorism down from the inside.
I can probably work the Queen into being a double agent in too.
I think I might be overthinking this
 
I think I smell a new 007 movie @Rhino.
 
8:41 PM
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@DavidFreitag I always wanted to be a famous film director. Now I can be.
 
@Rhino I wouldn't quite say director, but you could definitely manage writer.
 
@DavidFreitag But but but! I was going to say every bond film has car races, a scene in a casino and a dastardly plot to destroy the world.
I've got the last one. For the other two we can have a motability scooter chase scene and our hero can confront his/her enemies in a high stakes bingo night game.
 
Does every bond film have a car race? I seem to remember some of the older ones not having any.
 
@DavidFreitag I dunno. Perhaps not. Sometimes it's not always a car either... boats, ski equipment etc have all been used.
Sometimes, boats on ice while a giant ion cannon like lazer destroys greeland. So in comparison my plot is actually more plausible and realistic.
 
8:55 PM
It would be difficult to do scenes where Bond and these terrorists interact with each other. Bond would surely be able to drop an elderly person with ease.
 
@DavidFreitag I think you underestimate the power of bingo.
Besides, there's no reason bond himself can't be over retirement age. Anyone should have the opportunity to keep working if they so wish.
 
It's true I suppose, and they've sorta set the tone for bond getting a bit old in the last few movies.
 
9:43 PM
@RahilArora Thanks, I'll take a look at that. I didn't realize I was referring to the OSI model. — user3577397 2 hours ago
Asks a question about "layers" - doesn't know what layers mean ...
 
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