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Morning All
 
Morning squire
 
8:57 AM
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Q: What are safe, yet powerful alternatives to intel/amd cpus?

humanityANDpeaceSince the x86 and the amd64 CPUs from Intel and AMD accept encrypted microcode updates, which basically disallows to elimate the risk (i.e. via code auditing) that some malware is implanted in the CPU (i.e. via a software update) I have some trust issues with those CPUs. The vulnerability and ris...

I've never heard of anyone compromising a CPU via a microcode upgrade.
 
I've never heard of most of the stuff you guys end up talking about.
 
@kalina :-)
(they make up the words, you know)
 
Same goes for me. But it's interesting to learn.
 
there are all of these words, you know... when I arrange them they make perfect sense, but when you arrange them it's complete gibberish
 
Also: morning!
 
9:02 AM
also: morning
I have already had a productive day
 
also - Morning @Jou, @Arp, @kal
 
I am offended
 
lazy pinging
nobody cares, @AviD
 
thats why I'm offended
 
yes but, nobody cares you're offended
 
9:03 AM
Morning @Avi - didn't see you there
 
There are times I wonder how some of this stuff ever worked. Now is one of these...
 
@kalina I like lazy pingin
 
<connectionStrings/> is not really going to work as a connectionstring to anything.
 
that doesnt matter. I wasnt here, but I can still be spitefully entitled about it.
I used to a 'merkan.
 
@AviD pfffffft
 
9:04 AM
there are times when I wonder if getting up for work in the morning was really as awful as I remember
since I seem to have very few issues being awake at 7am
 
@AviD how did your ball game go? Did the team you wanted to win do it by enough of a margin?
@kalina :-)
 
me? no, that wasnt me.
 
granted, bed metaphorically made of glue when it's this cold
 
I did get to go to the emergency room though.
wife's ankle is NOT broken, thank rory.
 
@RoryAlsop I like the wording in this sentence
why did you try and break your wife's ankle?
what kind of monster are you?
 
9:06 AM
ow
 
heh
 
@AviD: what happened?
 
too many stairs
stairs are still problematic now, so we slept in the downstairs guest room. My back is not happy with me.
 
@AviD not good
@AviD also not good
 
was really worried it was broken, was pretty bad. glad its "just" a sprain.
 
9:19 AM
@AviD yeah - although they can remain weakened for ages. Need looking after
 
@RoryAlsop yeah, I know
yaaaay
 
@RoryAlsop A friend of mine still can barely place his full weight on his ankle after more then a year.
 
that really sucks
and my house is very vertical. will be tricky.
 
@AviD such an old person
 
tell me about it
 
9:24 AM
I'm probably a cup size or two too small to use the phrase "future lower back problems", lucky me
inb4 hit by car
 
@kalina I actually had to read that twice to understand (needs coffee)
 
coffee sounds like a good idea
brb
 
'Timezone DMZ
 
@BarryCarlyon mo'nin'
 
@RoryAlsop or those little pills
though I admit my mind did not go there right away
interesting effect, I've never seen this before
@kalina WAAAAIIIT are you implying that I have manboobs???
 
9:30 AM
@AviD hahahahahaha - you extrapolated too far
 
Because not at all
@RoryAlsop I tend to do that
though it was quite clear - lower back problems are caused by a certain endowment, I have back problems, hence I must be such endowed. NOT.
coffee DOES sound like a good idea.
I still have some Tanzania peaberry, before my Ethiopian gets here tomorrow.
I do love my home delivery of fresh fresh coffee beans.
 
@AviD Are you telling me you are not endowed... after a hundred children? Pshaah
;-P
 
@RoryAlsop The other... "endowment". The feminine kind.
@RoryAlsop because that I am quite endowed. I'll show you right now.
cue @kalina with "90% of men think they're above average"
and then cue @Simon with "I don't. oh my poor D"
 
You're sounding like @Iszi - with your soap scripts
 
21 hours ago, by AviD
@Simon so whats this pin over here, about @Simon dropping the soap?
 
9:42 AM
@AviD: I have a friend with that issue. Poor girl.
 
@kalina Ahhh - Red Bull consumed. Feelin' fine!
 
10:03 AM
@JourneymanGeek uhh which issue is that
the dropped soap?
@Simon keeps dropping the soap?
100 children?
you are being quite vague.
and ambiguous.
@RoryAlsop I think its time we find / write a canonical q flor dupeclosing all the "what is this encryption / please decrypt / what kind of hash / etc".
actually we could have a pretty good generic question to cover that - "how can one figure out the algorithms and such"
 
@AviD: chest related backaches.
 
ah. Apparently @kalina's theory is that those who benefit from them in younger years, pay for it in later years.
unless you're a guy.
 
10:42 AM
hehehe, google translated documents are funny.
 
@AviD yup - you've seen our lyrics to Hammstein, yes?
 
@RoryAlsop no?
or, thought I did, but dont remember?
 
ahh - need to see if I can find a transcript. It was deliberately written via a couple of google translate passes to break grammar etc
 
took me a while to figure out wtf the guy is talking about necklaces in a chapter on sql injection.
had to reverse-translate a couple of times.
 
wow. Debian 7 has now ended security releases for chromium-browser, recommending everyone who uses it move to Debian 8
 
10:54 AM
@AviD massive hairy manboobs, yes
@AviD 90% of men think they're above average
actual number is about 50%, otherwise it wouldn't be called an "average"
@RoryAlsop +wings
 
@Tinned_Tuna why d'they do that?
 
@AviD it's not a theory! It's scientific fact!
 
@RоryMcCune according to the announce (debian.org/security/2015/dsa-3148) it's because google moved their build platform and now it won't build on Debian's standard build platform; hence there's no chance to backport security fixes.
The recommendation is migrate to iceweasel or Debian 8... Debian 8, that super-released distro. It's been so released it's quite shocking.
 
@kalina ...not necessarily. Because maths. As an example, the vast majority of people in the world have more than the average number of arms :-)
 
@Tinned_Tuna wow, that's... lame . I'm not sure exactly who's being lame there but the end effect for users ain't good...
 
11:00 AM
(I'll stop being an awkward pedant now)
 
@RoryAlsop yeah stop stealing @TerryChia 's schtick :op
 
that's the weakest counter argument I've ever seen
you can't compare length to quantity
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@RоryMcCune Hey, I'm never awkward!
 
@TerryChia pedant
 
11:01 AM
stop with the stupid gif
now I'm paranoid that you're making fun of me
 
@kalina Does it remind you too much of Fei? :)
 
I hate the internet, I'm going on an internet free diet for the rest of my life
 
@TerryChia now look what you did...
@TerryChia BTW did you see the new Raspi
 
I will always star firefly references.
 
@RоryMcCune Win 10? I saw the news.
 
The horror of windows, now for children!
 
Oh, they upped the hardware as well?
 
quad-core 1GB RAM Raspberry Pi same price
 
@TerryChia yea, apparently it's quite substantial
 
@RоryMcCune Holy shit.
It's actually useful now.
 
11:04 AM
@kalina I should have added the smiley, I know :-)
 
@RоryMcCune I'd probably still go for this though: mouser.sg/ProductDetail/Olimex-Ltd/A20-OLINUXINO-MICRO-4GB/…
 
@RоryMcCune ahhh - that's now a whole lot more interesting
 
@TerryChia heh, you could do a surprising amount with an rPi before... That said, I've worked with other SoC and PIC microcontrollers before, so 2GB is simply massive to me...
 
@Tinned_Tuna (Imo), it's not small enough to compete with Arduinos or microcontrollers and not powerful enough to run useful stuff with a Linux distro on it.
Honestly for people like us the other ARM boards are a better at price/performance.
 
What kind of "useful" stuff are you after? We use them all around the department for powering wall-board type arrangements. Definitely useful and a hell of a lot cheaper than the alternatives.
 
11:07 AM
@Tinned_Tuna You can get waaaay cheaper ARM boards.
The Rasp Pi is useful as an educational tool because of the community and all the tutorials out there.
 
@TerryChia yes, the hardware is cheaper, but when you want to quickly provision ~20 of them and just have them run chromium in kiosk mode, raspbian is very useful
the savings in person-time vastly outweigh the savings in hardware costs when you're doing stuff like that
 
@Tinned_Tuna Other ARM boards have Linux distros available for them as well.
You don't get the pretty Raspbian booting screen, but that's not a big loss.
I'm not hating on the Pi of course, it's just that I did not find much use for it.
 
well the missuses enthusiasm for all things pi increased a lot when she heard about the windows 10 thing
 
@RоryMcCune Is it the full Win 10?
 
@TerryChia goood question
I don't think that's clear yet
 
11:14 AM
@RоryMcCune I'm very very very confused about MS' product differentiation for WIndows on ARM.
 
I don't think it could be RT 'cause that really wouldn't fit with the pi way of working
 
Is Windows RT still a thing?
 
@TerryChia for now
 
@RоryMcCune Are there any new products using it?
The last Surface release didn't have an RT version right?
Hmm, still no USB 3 on the new Pi.
 
@kalina duh
 
11:16 AM
@TerryChia no I think it's fair to say the surface RT isn't a success
 
@kalina those arent boobs, darling
 
This answer seems to be getting a lot of upvotes recently: security.stackexchange.com/a/35739/10211
+9 in the last 4 days.
 
on an unrelated note I wonder why @Adnan-Adi has changed his handle?
 
@RоryMcCune Maybe he's trying to hide from the NSA?
 
@TerryChia surely @johnsmith would work better for that, or even better some obscure finnish name with non-ASCII characters so all their regex can't find him
 
11:21 AM
@TerryChia there's an iot windows build
 
actually that's an interesting idea, I wonder how many noob cyber whatever analysts don't get regex right for non-latin scripts
 
Iirc runs from on the galleleo
 
@RоryMcCune Probably not just the noobs. Unicode is an effing mess.
 
11:32 AM
@AviD of course not, they're nowhere near as useful on the opposite sex as mine
not that I'd ever play dumb and just use my body to get what I want
 
11:44 AM
I'm bored
I have finished unpacking all of my new things
I have finished building my desk
I've finished setting up all of my flashing lights and other cool toys
I am missing about 10 cables
so I can't actually make it all work yet
I am tempted to go out right now and just get them but I think I can wait until the post man brings them to me
instead I thought I would make ethernet cables
@AviD also, don't call me darling
 
@kalina picture?
soundtechporn
 
no, it's not time yet
for starters, there are still visible spaces
secondly, it's more impressive if all the lights do something
 
@kalina that would be bad for OCD
 
thirdly, really? You want me to take a picture of my room and put it on the internet?
 
no - just the desk
 
11:51 AM
I don't need people knowing I have a shelf full of plushies in my studio
 
@kalina lol
 
or that I paint my computers after My Little Pony characters
 
you paint your computers?
 
half of the time
 
I try and hide mine - only one lives outside the attic
 
11:52 AM
@kalina youve done it before
 
my current one is just a black box, but the one before that was bright yellow and my next one will be blue with a rainbow motif
 
@RoryAlsop Why do you lock your ponys up in the attic?
 
@Arperum heh
 
@AviD no, I put a badly and purposely distorted image of me in the askubuntu channel
somebody undistorted it
firstly, I was actually quite impressed
 
ooh - clever
 
11:53 AM
and secondly, extremely freaked out
they did a good enough job of undistorting it that I could tell it was a picture of me
 
@kalina someone managed that some years ago - led to a successful conviction for some sex attacker
impressive maths
 
I was like, so completely sure that it couldn't be undone
the internet is full of people with too much free time
 
@AviD you never want one of those near anywhere you have to work.... sooo loud
 
one of my friends has a bunch of juniper stuff in his living room
insists that it's high spec
just looks like boxes to me
 
11:57 AM
@RоryMcCune @kalina has a full cabinet of those next to her desk
 
that wouldn't be very ideal in a sound sensitive environment
 
thats hers
 
I make all of my basslines by sampling the fan noise from dell blades and pitching it down
 
@AviD I've worked in datacentres before I can't imagine anyone who's not deaf voluntarily working next to those for any length of time..
 
@AviD ironically, I probably have that much rack space worth of rack mountable stuff, just not for networking or computing
 
11:59 AM
The next Syscan will have an open bar. :O
 
sounds like a reason for the rest of us to go
 
@TerryChia I can imagine that might get messy
 
And it's 9am-9pm on the first day.
 
it's a trap!
 
falls into the tarp
 
12:00 PM
@TerryChia open bar at 9am .... that's ambitious
 
.@stibbons BAM. Dell PowerEdge R900, a quad socket 4U server, on my carpet. https://vine.co/v/O6tdFQY3e3w
 
@RоryMcCune Should be fun. :)
 
@TerryChia you volunteering again?
 
@RоryMcCune Yep.
 
they should give whoevers looking after the bar area danger money
 
12:02 PM
@RоryMcCune Heh. I'm not fighting off drunk hackers.
 
Information Security conference with a free bar, designed to breach your operational security while lecturing you on information security!
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@kalina It's not an infosec con without alcohol.
It's impossible to sit through a talk on exploiting Windows RPC calls without being slightly drunk.
 
@TerryChia It's impossible to sit through a talk
FTFY
literally impossible
and the cinema
I am not designed to remain motionless while awake for that period of time
OH MY GOD
now I know why that got starred
you guys are such perverts
look at the star wall, see something completely :O
realize it was my message
 
@kalina Which one?
 
12:08 PM
1 hour ago, by kalina
you can't compare length to quantity
 
@kalina Hence my gif.
 
whatevs
perverts
I am unsure why that needed starring as well
I don't get what you're trying to say with that one
 
@kalina That one wasn't me.
 
yeah yeah, you expect me to believe that
 
Probably @AviD.
 
12:13 PM
whats AviD?
 
1 hour ago, by Tinned_Tuna
I will always star firefly references.
 
avid is like simon, but only when simon is having a bad day
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@TerryChia yeah because you don't have enough skills to fake this
 
@kalina Skills yes; time no.
 
12:16 PM
rekt
 
@TerryChia time... lol
you don't have time to open up paint and fill the yellow star black
(or copy and paste a black star over the yellow star)
 
@kalina Well, motivation.
 
(or edit the document layout to make the star black before taking the screenshot)
yet you have the time the take the picture and upload it?
purleaze.
 
@kalina It takes slightly more effort to edit a photo.
 
@kalina ouch. and starrable.
 
12:17 PM
hardly
 
MOM DAD STAPH FIGHTING! cries
 
screw this, I'm not in the mood to cook and I have bits of cable everywhere
I am going to go and get a dirty filthy heartattack burger and then continue pretending that me doing my own DIY is a good idea
 
it doesnt have to be a good idea. its fun.
 
Oooh, the local Pycon's CFP is open.
 
@TerryChia you should do one on attacks on python app's via dodgy libraries and why they should hurry up and implement the update framework :)
 
12:24 PM
@RоryMcCune I dunno, seems like most people won't understand it.
I was thinking something about implementing a toy language using RPython.
 
@TerryChia which is a little worrying in and of itself
 
@RоryMcCune Well, the crypto bits at least.
 
damn MS are getting really hipster these days
 
12:40 PM
pls
 
12:51 PM
@kalina 10/10
 
thanks, it's nice to be appreciated
@AviD I am having fun, that's true
I just can't help think that maybe a professional would do a better job
 
would the professional have more fun than you?
 
I know that I will look adorable wearing shitty clothes with more paint on them than the walls I'm painting
 
would you have more fun if the professional did it?
 
but deep inside I will be seething with hate and anger
and wishing that it was just finished
ok how about this
I do all the destroying
and then get the professionals in to fix it
because that sounds like I get to punch holes in the wall without the responsibility of fixing it
guarantee that the first hole I make goes through a pipe
then I get to make the "hello, I am a retard and I just broke one of my pipes, can you come and fix it?" call
 

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