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12:11 AM
wondering where to start on recovering my wife's data... seems not to have screwed with any firmware, but how can I know for certain?
 
Is that to me?
:)
I'm using an Ubuntu livecd, hard-burned, not rw.
But in order to burn disks, I need to take it out.
I could just plug in a USB hard drive and start copying stuff too, or I could delete partitions, squeeze the Windows partition, and install on the half that's not being used...
 
12:39 AM
everyone's gone...
 
1:21 AM
The groot programming language: github.com/thiagopnts/groot
 
1:38 AM
@AaronHall no
There's very few BIOS level hacks in the wild and most tech support scammers are dumb skiddie level folks
Wiping the HDD and reinstalling should do
 
@JourneymanGeek Or will it?
 
:p
Unless its badbios? :p
Also it's a classic scam. I believe ars technical has a great article on em. I'll look it up when I get home
 
1:56 AM
 
ok, catching up
It's just my wife's crappy old laptop. I'm just trying to do some forensics to see what happened. Best I've done so far is find ./ -used 2, and I'm not familiar enough with Windows to know where to look
Too bad she went and deleted the program he ran.
 
@AaronHall try with Recuva if you really need to find out what it was
the free version will let you recover deleted files assuming they're still recoverable
 
Not sure how to recover it, I can't find it in Recycle Bin (though I think I'm looking in the right place), and she said she didn't shift-delete, just right-clicked and selected delete.
 
yeah... I'm just going to stick with my ubuntu live-cd for now
 
2:02 AM
ah yes, gotcha
better
 
I've recovered deleted files with Linux before, but it was a long time ago, and I didn't take notes...
I think it's just a matter of finding the right Google search
Vista was typically installed NTFS right?
I should grab a virtual machine and troll those guys.
 
Yup. People do that 😊
 
You believe they had the gall to call my wife back?
I'm checking out ntfsundelete right now...
where does Windows keep the recent used files? google...
 
2:52 AM
Windows uses rot13 to obfuscate recently used files in the registry.
programs, not files.
Someone help me speculate, what did his program do?
Install a backdoor? Rootkit? Keylogger? Bot? All of the above? didn't seem to be encrypting stuff, but haven't fully analyzed it.
 
3:12 AM
Can I get a...
 
3:47 AM
so I need to get her laptop back to her, any suggestions on stuff I can backup to analyze later?
registry...
undeleted files deleted in the past two days
browsing history?
 
@AaronHall Just the usual stuff: format the computer, change password to whatever service they might have gotten. I'd say it's very unlikely that they managed to reflash the BIOS.
 
I agree
 
Those guys are using social engineering as their main way to infect people, I highly doubt they're malware geniuses.
 
that's the plan,but I'd like to have a copy of their executable
 
The website no longer works?
 
3:53 AM
nah, just my wife's crappy laptop
 
I mean the website where she dl'd the exe.
 
hm...
 
I believe that malware analyzing is more convenient on VMs with snapshots and etc.
 
dammit where are those browser histories?
 
Chrome?
 
3:56 AM
she doesn't remember
could be Chrome, Firefox, or IE.
 
Bleh. That's the worse, working with clueless users (not trying to offend your gf or anything).
Anyway, if she really needs her PC back, I suggest that you convert her machine to a VM with a tool like this: kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/…
Then, you have all the time in the world to analyze it by booting it on your PC.
 
4:12 AM
I'm just going to install Ubuntu as soon as I've backed up what I can think to. After this, don't even know if I'll get around to analyzing it.
But she's getting a brand new OS.
 
Yeah, but this assumes I use Windows again. I'm not going to.
But that looks clever
 
4:27 AM
How did they get that message to popup in Vista, though?
I'm hoping parody t-shirts come out with "This beat's sick." showing the poor beat in bed with a fever...
 
@JourneymanGeek thank you!!
 
5:38 AM
Yeah. But I remember you used to be able to get some kind of network messages to pop up in Windows.
 
5:52 AM
That got disabled.
net send I believe
 
 
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9:06 AM
@Simon also, either educate her or ban her from using computers
you wouldn't allow somebody to drive a car on the wrong side of the road
why let a non-administrative user log in as administrator and click on stuff that pops up
 
I'm telling you, @kalina is Taylor Swift.
or at least @InfosecTaylorSwift.
 
 
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10:42 AM
...
what is it that makes you think that?
 
 
1 hour later…
11:54 AM
3 hours ago, by kalina
why let a non-administrative user log in as administrator and click on stuff that pops up
 
12:05 PM
I hate when people talk about "ALL THE SECURITY" they have in their system, and then "oh by the way we're only talking about role management".
okay, fine good start (besides the fact that you're doing it wrong), but what about all the other securities??!?
oh and btw, Oracle are corporate douchebags.
their products are doucheapps.
their documentation is douchementation.
I guess I shouldnt complain about other douchebags today though. I am wearing a black turtleneck and blue jeans.
 
@AviD Channeling your inner Steve Jobs?
 
@TerryChia it was accidental.
or maybe subliminal, knowing I would be dealing with doucheapps today.
 
@AviD Yeah, you must miss your startup days, writing Javascript in a coffeeshop all day long.
 
@TerryChia heh. shuddup.
actually I miss the startup days I havent had yet.
other than that, I have written javascript, and I have worked in a coffee shop. Even coded.
was better than my non-office at the time... though I dont think those 2 ever coincided.
my javascript days are long in the past.
oo no wait! I did learn angular in a coffee shop. just cuz thats where I was meeting the guy.
 
@AviD You sound like @RoryAlsop talking about Fortran.
 
12:13 PM
@TerryChia Nowadays people write Coffeescript in the javashops.
2
 
@TerryChia well it WAS before jquery. or CSS3.
I do remember the cross-browser checking....
 
@ManishEarth Hipster.
@AviD A time before jQuery? I'm pretty sure you are lying.
 
@TerryChia No, being a hipster is too mainstream
 
@TerryChia heh. I came back to look at JS again after a few years, and it was like "whoooaaa". All this stuff I had to write manually, now exists in a function call.
 
I'm a rustacean, not only am I using the language before it is cool, I'm using it before it has been released
 
12:15 PM
@ManishEarth Are you quitting Rust once it hits 1.0?
 
@TerryChia good question
 
Q: Why did the hipster burn his mouth?
A: He drank his coffee before it was cool.
6
/boooo
 
A hipster would do that
But that's too mainstream
 
@AviD slow claps
 
So no, not quitting Rust :p
 
12:15 PM
@TerryChia no no no, that is BAD. cmon.
@Simon so whats this pin over here, about @Simon dropping the soap?
 
 
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1:48 PM
@AviD not meggings?
 
heh. not yet.
 
@AviD yeah that's standard Oracle. Security begins and ends with Security "features" they can use to sell the product
 
anyway I wouldnt be working in them, I would wear them only for excercise.
@RоryMcCune yeah, and it sounds like its not even that - its "features" they can use to upsell OTHER products.
since its clear that there is no way the built in role management system could actually scal above 2 dozen users, so you would need the big expensive enterprise IAM systems.
 
@AviD ah yeah the best type of security, the one you need to spend more money on...
 
is there any other kind?
 
1:51 PM
@AviD not in Oracle-land
 
damn the douchementation is really getting to me.
I actually really like that word, douchementation. @ScottPack would be proud of me.
 
2:14 PM
@TerryChia I don't get it
 
2:24 PM
> The lady doth protest too much, methinks
 
2:35 PM
wat
 
hehe @RоryMcCune just spotted another Oracle gem: "It does not make sense to validate all user input fields against SQL injection".
on the other hand, for XSS they are pushing input validation. Wat.
oh okay, I see the intended difference.
Input validation to prevent XSS, and not SQL injection, makes sense, because for XSS the validation should be done in client-side Javascript. Wait what?
 
@AviD trololololo
that's genius
 
and then we wonder why so much software security sucks.
its because we have these ostensible giants in the field, like Big Brother Oracle, who ostensibly know so much better than "regular" programmers, feeding them incoherent shit like that.
catch this actual quote:
> Data input validation is key when it comes to preventing cross-site scripting. In Oracle ADF, input validation can be handled with JavaScript on the browser client
"Buuuut it's okay, we have role management Security features!"
hmm, later on they do kinda mention that javascript cant be used to block SQLi / XSS. but still.
I think there must have been more than one author for this doc. Typical oracle style.
goddamit I hate whinging so much
next time I agree to take an oracle project I will have to add a special "Whinging Fee" to the proposal.
 
2:53 PM
@AviD fuuucck that's crap
 
@RоryMcCune douchementation
 
I have very little time for them. Their CISO seems to take the attitude of "just trust us to do all the right things" "3rd party reviews are a waste and external researchers shouldn't be disclosing issues with our products"
 
@RоryMcCune oh yeah I remember that quote
 
when it's demonstrably true that their stuff is, in many cases, horrible from a security perspective.
 
also something along the lines of "static analysis does not work and is stupid and a waste of our time"
 
2:55 PM
@AviD wat. Your validation has to be server side. What complete fuckwit wrote that thing you're quoting from?
 
@Arperum Oracle Corporation
but thanks for the notice, I did not REALIZE that validation should be SERVER SIDE
also I did NOT realize that VALIDATION is actually irrelevant for XSS
 
@AviD Yea, they are indeed fuckwits. I remember having to make some website for internal use for them, it had to be IE6 compliant. Because they still used that. In the second half of 2014.
 
@Arperum hey, dont be mean. @RoryAlsop's workplace also has that.
crap how the hell am I supposed to give code examples in this doc, for something that you have to do in the GUI - because Oracle's brilliant developer tools do not expose this functionality in code or configuration??
and no, I'm not gonna just paste screenshots
I think I'm going to start calling them pasties.
 
 
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4:05 PM
Heh - pasties
 
4:22 PM
@RoryAlsop mmm pasties
 
@RоryMcCune you sickh bastard!
If I had a nickel for every WTF gem I'm finding in the Oracle douchementation, I could probably lower my rates for this project.
It is so sadly obvious when the author knows he is clueless on a topic, but was told he has to include a chapter on that topic.
 
@AviD whaat pasties are awsome
mm pasties
 
"oh no, what is this CSRF thing?? I know, let's talk about XSS."
@RоryMcCune did you do a google image search for "pasties"?
safe search off, of course.
 
@AviD cornish pasties
 
We should make a drinking game out of this.
@RоryMcCune yeah the results are very... confusing
 
4:29 PM
@AviD the key in this case to avoiding ambiguity is the word "cornish" at the front!
 
I am dubious
@RоryMcCune oh yeah, that did help. Nothing NSFW for almost a whole page.
what is this thing Brits have with killing "R"s?
the word is PASTRIES
dont confuse us
 
@AviD ahh no the cornish pasty is a specific dish
It may have pastry in it
but it's called a pasty
of which the plural is of course pasties
 
yeah. its a kind of pastry.
OH DAMN CAN CORNISH PASTIES BE USED AS PASTIES
 
but it's pronounced "past y" not "paste y"
 
SO DELICIOUS AND CONFUSING
 
4:33 PM
where the garment is I believe pronounced "paste y"
 
hehehe, "garment"
"gown"
 
@AviD NSFW no one click this if they're at work s100.photobucket.com/user/richard_ha/media/Fit%20Women/…
well unless they're in a bunker of their own devising
 
hehe
I AM SO CONFUSED
 
it's not actually that NSFW that image is from a relatively mainstream comedy called "two pints of lager and a packet of crisps"
 
I remember that episode. Loved that series, until Johnny jumped the shark.
 
4:46 PM
@RoryAlsop indeed the early series were good..
 
@RoryAlsop did he actually literally jump the shark?
because that would be just too much plagiarism. Poor form.
 
pls
 
then again Arthur had poor form too.
 
Oct 10 '13 at 17:17, by Simon _eQ
@Simon can you change your name pls :p
dat donut
Oh, he changed his name. HA JOKES ON YOU!
 
@Simon yo momma is the joke.
and yes, yes she is on me right now.
 
4:53 PM
pls
 
ahh yeeaah I love ordering a fresh batch of coffee
different varietal every month
 
Yes, he did a waterskiing jump over a shark. For that exact reason. :-)
Yes, he did a waterskiing jump over a shark. For that exact reason. :-)
 
There are 14 close votes, go work your ass off you donuts.
 
5:10 PM
@Simon you go work your donut off, you ass.
 
@AviD you dough that is nutty, in maple leaf land where @Simon is it's not a work day....
 
@RоryMcCune is it ever?
@Simon is canadian Super Bowl in like November?
 
@AviD NOT ENOUGH REP YOU DONUT.
@AviD Grey Cup? Yeah.
 
LOLOLOLOL YOU GUISE ARE WEEUURD
 
@AviD February is supposed to make more sense? lolwat
 
 
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9:24 PM
is the handegg game done yet?
 
9:41 PM
@RоryMcCune SPORTSBALL LOLOL WORDBURGERS
For every nerd who says "sportsball" there should be a jock who goes to a library & loudly complains about the "word burgers" on the shelves
 
Murray was doing okay until set 3
Then he went from being a Brit with a chance of winning the final, to that loser Scot...
 
@AviD I didn't say sportsball as a generally pejoritive word for sports :op I was merely using the more descriptive term for "American Football"
 
@RoryAlsop that loser @Scott
 
@RoryAlsop indeed
 
@RоryMcCune oh I did
 
9:43 PM
What - you don't mean the football? Celtic beat Rangers I think...
 
so this is the first year that I am not going to a superbowl party, but my daughter is :-S
 
@RoryAlsop 2-0 kind of predictable given their recent fortunes
 
I'm not sure how I feel about that, other than that I dont even know who is playing this year
 
Don't tell me it's the american football thing again is it?
 
more importantly Red Bulls new test livery looked really cool
 
9:44 PM
also, its 2AM here when it starts, and aint nobody got time fo' dat
 
I didn't realise to I looked at the map that I was very close to you this weekend @Rоry. As the crow flies anyway
 
@RоryMcCune hmm, I feel like they should have tried harder to get a corporate sponsor
 
I like that design
 
@RoryAlsop yeah if you were in Largs it's really not that far away as the boat sails :)
 
9:45 PM
I'd have that on my car, if they could replace the white/silver with black
 
mornin' @TerryChia
your up early? is that the result of military discipline?
 
@TerryChia you've got the wrong tape on
The big question on everybody's lips
chapped lips
will @Phil see his shadow today
 

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