The DMZ

if youre doing a pornSims / Larry quest clone - or whatever reason you have for needing to impregnate your NPCs - you clearly have to go with Horniness.

David Freitag

7:20 PM

@MarkHulkalo I have a small amount of experience with OpenGL, but I'm a quick study.

Mark Hulkalo

@AviD It's like Fallout Shelter, but all sims will get married, and no funky-time will be shown

so no hooking up with random people like in Fallout Sluts

000

pls am a slut so am very offended

Mark Hulkalo

@DavidFreitag Right now, try to create an image. A background image. Then we make that the background for the entire game. We can look up and down, but will only have a small view of the whole thing at one time, but can zoom out

David Freitag

So no prostidudes?

Mark Hulkalo

At that point, we can represent the entire game in a multidimensional array

or a list class

We will just add new 2d images on top of the background image to line up the sections of the underground shelter

David Freitag

7:22 PM

So we're not going to use UE4?

Mark Hulkalo

Let's not for now. This will challenge us.

David Freitag

That's coo.

Mark Hulkalo

Later on, we can use UE4 if we get super serious

but I expect that to be years away

David Freitag

At some point you should send me your code

Mark Hulkalo

I got a lot of downtime at work, so I want to practice

Yeah, I will

000

7:23 PM

How on earth do you get downtime at work?

David Freitag

What is available for real time programming collaboration?

Mark Hulkalo

Can't collaborate in real-time at work

When I get home we can

David Freitag

What time zone are you in?

Mark Hulkalo

EST

David Freitag

Woo me too

Mark Hulkalo

7:24 PM

I'm doing it in Java

But we can use any language you want

000

I bet dovid doesn't like Java.

Mark Hulkalo

With Java, it's easy to get running on Android

David Freitag

I did just puke in my mouth a little

000

lololol

Mark Hulkalo

Yeah, don't worry. Use what you're comfortable with. I can move concepts from one language to another with ease

Only working on Java because I didn't know it prior to coming here

David Freitag

7:25 PM

I prefer .Net

Mark Hulkalo

This helps me get better and makes me more useful to my corporate overlords

Yeah, so Xamarin then.

I will build an editor too

David Freitag

So what language do you want to use for the scripting engine?

Mark Hulkalo

to make the game moddable or something?

David Freitag

So that things like loot tables and drop rates and enemies etc aren't hardcoded into the game

000

dovid, do you know who Odesza is?

David Freitag

7:29 PM

@000 nupe

000

o

You might like their good feel vibes, I went to their show last n8.

Mark Hulkalo

@Davd

@DavidFreitag Flat text files that are read?

Editor writes to text file(s)

Game reads from them

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo Yeah, some engines use python others use typescript, coffeescript, or even javascript.

@MarkHulkalo Exactly. Lately I have been using json to directly serialize and deserialize .Net objects. It's really fast and really awesome.

Mark Hulkalo

Yeah, we can use JSON for that

Then the game becomes moddable with ease

David Freitag

It also has the added benefit of making the game moderately moddable

Mark Hulkalo

7:32 PM

Plus we could check for a folder structure

if it exists, attempt to load content from the folder(s)

and replace the default in-game content

So you could mod the entire game

David Freitag

@000 Mmmmmh sounds like my kind of musac.

000

There were a ton of half naked ladies at that show.

I was like "pls ladies".

David Freitag

@000 They're in toronto tonight

000

Yeah they're touring.

David Freitag

The closest they will be to me is in Miami

Mark Hulkalo

7:42 PM

@DavidFreitag I really want to make an editor for this first.

WinForms ok?

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo WinForms is my preference. XAML is too cringe worthy.

Mark Hulkalo

Yeah, I prefer WinForms

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo if you want to monkey with json serializing, I use this one. newtonsoft.com/json

Mark Hulkalo

I've written some before

Using the default :O

But yeah, being able to serialize our lists would be really beneficial

David Freitag

We don't need a custom solution, I like newtonsoft because it is compatible with every single version of .Net all the way back to 2.0

Mark Hulkalo

7:45 PM

Yeah, but doesn't C# have a default JSON parser? I've used it, and it seems to work correctly with everything I've thrown at it

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo Make one static class that contains all of the information, then just simply serialize that entire object.

Mark Hulkalo

But if you feel more comfortable with that, then sure

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo Oh does it? I didn't know... lol

Mark Hulkalo

Yea

I've used it to serialize some pretty deep nested lists

David Freitag

Giggity.

Mark Hulkalo

7:47 PM

Once we have a working editor, the game itself will be easy to finish

000

in b4 never finished

David Freitag

So we're going 2D?

@000 I do have issues finishing.

Mark Hulkalo

Let's try that for now

I want to try and get a game up on steam/android marketplace

David Freitag

That would be awesome

AviD

@DavidFreitag that lib is alreaqdy built in to the framework.

000

7:48 PM

You guys gotta brainstorm to find a decent gameplay.

David Freitag

We should design it so that all of the game-related classes are completely separate from the UI logic. That way using WinForms/Xamarian won't be an issue.

@AviD Is it compatible with .Net 2.0?

Mark Hulkalo

Yeah, already done :p

000

It doesn't matter if the it's 2D or 3D, as long as the gameplay/mechanics are interesting.

Mark Hulkalo

@000 Agreed.

It has to keep your attention or it won't be that great.

We could do both 2d and 3d

AviD

@DavidFreitag you cant serialize a stastic class!

Mark Hulkalo

7:49 PM

2d sprite characters with 3d rooms

AviD

@DavidFreitag no, but why do you care??

David Freitag

@AviD You can with newtonsoft...

@AviD I build a lot of apps that need XP-compatability and need to be built with 2.0

AviD

oh btw scratch that anyway, Im thinking of ASP.NET MVC / WebAPI

@DavidFreitag I meant that newtonsoft is builtin to the framework

@DavidFreitag XP IS DEAD

David Freitag

@AviD NOT WHERE I WORK IT ISN'T

Mark Hulkalo

@AviD Tell that to China. Windows XP machines everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrywhere

And a lot of corporate places are still using Windows XP due to compatibility issues. :D

David Freitag

7:51 PM

XP is the operating system of the undead world

@MarkHulkalo Not to mention 90% of the ATMs in existence

AviD

@MarkHulkalo oh, I didnt realize your market for this game was corporate.

Enterprise gamers FTW!

David Freitag

@AviD I wasn't talking about the game, I was just saying I use newtonsoft because it's awesome.

Mark Hulkalo

@AviD Haha, no. I'm just saying in general.

AviD

@DavidFreitag oh running games on an ATM? brave!

David Freitag

All you need is a basic class definition, and a StreamReader/Writer and you're good to go

Mark Hulkalo

7:53 PM

The game can't be P2P

No pay to win crap

AviD

@DavidFreitag oh i agree

Mark Hulkalo

Maybe microtransactions on androids if they want to speed something up, but it has to be super cheap

and non-intrusive

David Freitag

Yeah

000

You're super cheap and non-intrusive.

AviD

@MarkHulkalo single player only????

Mark Hulkalo

7:54 PM

Yea

David Freitag

@000 No, that's your ween you're thinking about.

@AviD At least at first. Getting networking code working is a huge PITA

AviD

@DavidFreitag mark said it cant be multiplayer.

David Freitag

Also you need to have a server in place to handle all the requests etc.

@AviD P2P => Pay 2 Play

AviD

@DavidFreitag ah maybe thats what he meant, server only

Mark Hulkalo

Or Peer to Peer. Dumb acronyms

David Freitag

7:55 PM

There you go being intentionally obtuse...

AviD

@DavidFreitag nooo P2P => player 2 player

Mark Hulkalo

But yeah, pay to play

AviD

or Peer to Peer

Mark Hulkalo

I tried to corrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrect it

David Freitag

Or platypus to platypus

AviD

7:56 PM

i cant type like this, stupid chrome screwing with the onscreen keyboard

000

or pen to pen

David Freitag

Pen Island to Pen Island

000

^_^

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo Yeah, looking through the documentation for the .Net JSON serializer, it looks over complicated and unnecessary.. I mean you can do more with it than with Newtonsoft, but Newtonsoft is just so damn simple

Mark Hulkalo

Sure

We could also release the editor

So it would make sense to use Newtonsoft... do we need to pay royalties, though?

Hmm... Jason.NET is also a lot faster

David Freitag

8:06 PM

@MarkHulkalo Since we only need to load the objects once at startup and we can write them asynchronously, the serializer won't really have an impact on performance.

Mark Hulkalo

Faster loading times, though

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo pastebin.com/Qpe8QEn0

Mark Hulkalo

blocked :<

David Freitag

pastebin.com/Vy31yXxE

Why on earth is pastebin blocked

Mark Hulkalo

pastebin is blocked here

A lot of things are blocked lol

Not my network, so I'm gonna respect it.

David Freitag

8:11 PM

Naaah

Mark Hulkalo

!

Did you write a loading text?

test*

David Freitag

Yes

Mark Hulkalo

Was my theory right?

David Freitag

409 milliseconds to serialize and deserialize one object

Mark Hulkalo

Might have thousands of different objects

David Freitag

8:12 PM

public class TestData
{
public string TestName { get; set; }
public int TestNumber { get; set; }

public TestData(string name, int number)
{
TestName = name;
TestNumber = number;
}
}

Stupid formatting

Mark Hulkalo

I can read it anyway :p

David Freitag

409 milliseconds to serialize and deserialize that object ^

Mark Hulkalo

With JSON.NET?

David Freitag

With newtonsoft

Of course I did a lot of console printing in there too

So it's not really a valid test

Mark Hulkalo

I have a weapon, armor, NPC and enemy interface

and classes implementing

David Freitag

8:18 PM

Yeah I just changed it and it took 842 milliseconds to serialize and deserialize 1000 objects

Mark Hulkalo

Wow, that's pretty good

We might not even have that many

David Freitag

1433 for 10,000

Mark Hulkalo

There's gonna be a cap of about 150 people

But they could each have weapons and armor...

Then there are the raids on the shelter

Yeah, shouldn't be more than 2k, but I could be wrong.

David Freitag

For 10K objects:

Took 807 milliseconds to serialize
Took 446 milliseconds to deserialize
Press any key to continue...

@MarkHulkalo You also have to consider that there aren't many members for these objects, so OMMV

Mark Hulkalo

Yea

David Freitag

8:28 PM

If you have the .Net classes around I can run some trials with real data

Mark Hulkalo

I have them as Java, but they will work regardless

let me get them for you

Need to find a place to share these.... lol

David Freitag

I can give you my email

Mark Hulkalo

Yep, can't do anything here

I'll be home in about 2 hours

AviD

@MarkHulkalo githyub

Mark Hulkalo

Blocked

AviD

8:35 PM

or bitbucket, if you wantg privat repos for free

or kiln, as long as its just you 2

@MarkHulkalo github is blocked???

Mark Hulkalo

I can request to get anything unblocked

but can't be fecked to do so

AviD

of course, heaven forfend you should see some code while programming....

@MarkHulkalo what about changing jobs....

Mark Hulkalo

I love it here though

They might be a little red tapey, but the managers are great

AviD

but they hate you

Mark Hulkalo

They only hate non-work-based websurfing

But there's downtime at the moment :p

Hence why I'm able to chat

Huh, github is working now

David Freitag

8:40 PM

@MarkHulkalo Aight coo, fire up a repo and linketh me

What version of VS are you using?

Mark Hulkalo

shorttext.com/6d91811c

Eclipse right now

David Freitag

lol "handiness"

Mark Hulkalo

I dunno what to put there lol

I'm still thinking of how to handl eit

handle it*

David Freitag

I do think that some races should be better at crafting

Like dwarves da crafting masters

Mark Hulkalo

It's mainly all humans

But yeah, if you want to make different races, sure

David Freitag

8:43 PM

It was just an example

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag hey that was my idea

Mark Hulkalo

My main worry is all the extra work if the body shapes are different

David Freitag

@Ohnana LOL

Mark Hulkalo

I'm thinking the higher your genetics, the better chance you get at making a baby with better attributes, but those would still be based on the parent's top 2. If all attributes are maxed, then a higher chance for all of them

David Freitag

@MarkHulkalo We could make base sprites then write an algorithm to modify them.

Dibs on the boobs script, BTW

Mark Hulkalo

8:45 PM

Reprobate

David Freitag

Dem pixel boob pysics

@MarkHulkalo So you engine is written in Java?

Mark Hulkalo

I have one in C# too

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