Morning =)

@kiBytes Morning.

How are you doing today?

@Lucas Hannibal S02E01.

@DavidFreitag Yup. I really wanted to downvote him, but his answer has some value.

@Adnan fine, thanks =), reviewing some questions and working in my landing page

@kiBytes Fantastic. Good luck

With the web page?

It is not like I am going to leave my normal job

I am doing that so I can improve my skills =)

Security "el cheapo" (But I will give my best!)

I believe you are looking for a new job, aren't you @Adnan?

@kiBytes Not completely focusing my efforts on that, but yes, I'm probing around.

you could try this "freelance" thing

I am just going to try

you could do the same and you could do some work at the afternoon/evening/weekends

and when looking for a job you can add some XP in security

Freelancing is not even close to as simple as it might give impression it could be, and it's bloody difficult to start and find a proper working pace while at the same time handle your customers (if you're lucky to have any).

Might as well set your end goal of starting a new company then, I'd say it's easier.

@TildalWave Well I am planning in not over-employing myself, I have some marketing plans

in a very specific market

just a hobby and earning some money, take a client or two every month

I had biggest problems immediately after I started (finding motivation) and after a few years when the stream of connections started to run dry and I had to switch to a completely different approach to it all

It's also bleeping difficult to reassure potential clients that you know what you're doing and their investment is safe

maybe it won't work but I will continue paying my VPS for testing purposes and the domain name (and I have a job so I am not taking huge risks) if my plans work great but if not no problem, I will try something different

Even with loads of references

I'd suggest doing it on a side

@TildalWave totally agree =)

not as your primary source of income

I do "some" freelancing in different areas as side jobs, but I will try to focuss all this time in security (since I enjoy it more than development and design)

yup that sounds reasonable and what I'd suggest too ... and work on funding a startup of your own, or join one you think might have potential ... but don't let go of your day job, that's just stupid IMO and I've discovered that the hard way

@TildalWave i guess you are doing fine now, aren't you?

@kiBytes not really, the business environment in my country is --- well, crap, amateurish and predominately incompetent

you from?

Slovenia

Sounds hard

But I don't really know a lot about Slovenia

don't get me wrong, we have relatively good education here, and people are on average quite competent, problem is, rare few of those that are stay here for long

yeah, you are part of the EU after all, so I believe it is a nice place

and I just got back a few years ago and had no idea it's that bad ... I only went for about 4 years, and they've managed to go from an unbrushed diamond to typical Balkan country in that time

but I was thinking about Yugoslavia

Not so far in time =)

well we used to be a promiseland for the rest of the republics in the federation once

I guess we still are actually, but have started to lag behind the pace of others for some reason, mostly really bad managerial skills

anyway,... enough of that, it's an open market and I don't really do much business here, it's mostly just where I live ;)

Well, I guess that your country's enterprises are focusing in other areas

In Spain it is more or less the same

I know of Spain, it's quite similar

but a lot bigger

so many more opportunities

Great, then I don't need to explain it =) (but it really sounds like what you have told)

@TildalWave I guess =)

@Scott Remember the tinfoil curtain your recommended to solve the heat problem in my room last summer? Yeah, it worked perfectly, so I decided to leave it there until next summer.

I've just had a conversation with two nice policemen who knocked at my door earlier about suspicions of cannabis growing.

@Adnan hehehe that's hilarious :)))

What did you say? Did you go beep, beep,... there's Martians listening??

@Adnan Well, that wasn't something I considered but it certainly makes quite a lot of sense.

afternoon

@Adnan ooh hannibal

@Adnan How did the chat end up going?

@LucasKauffman I've just downloaded it. Gonna watch it tonight.

@TildalWave Oh, it was hilarious, to the cops.

@Tildal @Scott You see, they had no warrant, and I just let them in because I didn't want to seem as if I'm hiding something.

You have two gigantic Nordic police officers walk into your room

They catch a gimps of the lube bottles, empty wine bottles, and a couple of vibrators on the floor.

They start professionally laughing

I hadn't thrown the trash for a few days, so a pile of discarded condoms and condom packaging had already formed in the trash bin.

:)

Ahh... that was the worst timing ever.

Why do the Norse only come in triple-extra large?

They asked me about the suns I had in the room (illegal to sell in Finland), and about my brewing equipments.

Then they explained the cannabis thing, and they walked out after refusing my beer offer.

suns?

@ScottPack I have no idea. They were extremely terrifying, but also very nice.

@ScottPack This thing en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus

Ah, ok.

I don't personally use it, I just have it for dispensing at parties. You know, socializing and stuff.

Dipping tobacco is a very common thing here, but that looks less disgusting.

@ScottPack Yup, it's quite big here as well. It's very rare to go to the restroom in a bar/club without seeing several of those small bags discarded on the floor or in the urinals.

There were a number of guys at my old job that dipped. It was not uncommon to walk into their office and see a (typically soda) bottle on their desk half full of a frothy brown liquid with chunks floating in it.

Or see the wad of used tobacco floating in the urinal.

@ScottPack You had me at frothy.

It's....pretty gross.

Since American dip requires spitting....

@ScottPack Americans should be introduced to Snus

Are the bags intended to be torn open and used loose?

@ScottPack Nope, you put the small bag as is under your lip.

Based on the Wikipedias American dip is likely a derivative of snus.

Ah, yeah, that's a bit nicer there too.

Ours is loose packed in the tin, or pouch.

So you pinch out a serving for insertion.

@ScottPack Some snus is also used loose.

Ah... I pretty much detest all tobacco usage habits

Ok yes, I feel confirmed. American dipping tobacco is a direct derivative of snus.

I find it all pretty gross, but as a former 2 pack/day cigarette smoker I feel a bit hypocritical getting too wound up about it.

I haven't smoked it in a few years but I did really enjoy sitting on my back porch with a whiskey and a pipe.

What I didn't enjoy was the 45 minutes of brushing and gargling that came after so that my mouth felt usable again.

@ScottPack How long did you still have that "urge" in the back of your head?

As a general feeling not long, it was more situational.

@ScottPack Drinking? The set/company?

I decided to quit so by god I quit. I took the open pack I had left, slipped a book of matches inside, and placed that in an ashtray on my desk.

I figured quitting with no availability was easy and no proof.

Believe it or not, no. Most of my friends didn't smoke by that point so I didn't find myself being around it a whole lot.

The biggest temptation from me was weather.

@ScottPack Ah, that makes things a lot easier indeed.

@ScottPack Interesting...

You know those winter days when the sun is just coming up, the air smells frosty, but the wind is completely still?

@ScottPack Yupp

That always made me want a smoke.

I don't really know why but that did it.

Did that temptation go away?

Eventually.

I convinced and helped a girlfriend to quit smoking (cold turkey), but a few months after her last smoke, she started feeling more urge to smoke.

I'm glad to hear that the urge eventually goes away

Sometimes I still find myself holding things, like a sucker or a tooth pick, like a cigarette.

It's been over a decade since I quit so I find it amusing.

Like many things there's the physical addiction, the emotional addiction, and the habitual aspects. Each of which works out differently for different people.

Indeed

For me it was in that order. I was able to intellectually analyze my way through the first two.

How did you find your way through the habitual aspects?

The ritualistic habits are definitely the hardest for me because I am properly a creature of habit.

One off or infrequent events are quite difficult for me to deal with. I either forget about them or find an excuse to not.

Infrequent events?

Let's say yearly events. I get lost in the routine of the day, or the week, and they completely sneak up on me.

Understandable.

Thanks a lot for the insight on this one, I really needed to hear it from someone who's been on that road.

No worries.

But yeah, the only way I really get anything accomplished is by developing it into a routine/habit. Which is why I have little to no desire for a cigarette but sometimes still treat smallish cylindrical objects like them.

Depending on her personality type she'll likely get over it in a very different way.

Introspection FTW. :)

@ScottPack I feel a dirty subtext somewhere in there.

Completely unintentional I assure you.

Says the man with a house full of dildos and lube.

Wait. You said wine.

HEATHEN!!

@ScottPack Have some respect for me!

I said vibrators, not dildos

Meh. One has batteries