The DMZ

D3C4FF

12:02 AM

computeralliance.com.au/…

Damn. This 'buying a new monitor' exercise is turning out like it'll be a costly endeavour... @AviD

HamZa DzCyberDeV

good night/day everyone ...

12:32 AM

Check it!

12:44 AM

In case anyone can't tell, i'm having a super productive day..

tylerl

1:05 AM

@D3C4FF I could have built it for half the price ;)

D3C4FF

1:30 AM

@tylerl I'd buy one for teh lulz :D

It can add to my collection of lockpicking/safe cracking kit

Stack Exchange

4:07 AM

The strongest incentive we have to develop faster-than-light travel is that it would let us apologize in advance.

Lucas Kauffman

6:38 AM

mmmm I just wrote a script that consumes 1 GB of memory

seems I need to do some optimizing

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman nah, just buy more memory.

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Lucas Kauffman

aaaw lost 55 rep on network engineering because of a serial upvoter :(

Adnan

@LucasKauffman I hate them! They mean well, but come on! If you're gonna serial upvote me, make 40 rep max so they're not taken away from me later.

@Lucas I can serial-downvote you if you want, you'd feel good about it tomorrow.

@D3C4 @AndyM @AviD @Tidal If you guys are interested in the progress, the wine has almost completely cleared up. It will soon be ready for aging

Lucas Kauffman

6:57 AM

@Adnan LOL

oooh wine

TildalWave

7:38 AM

@D3C4FF cool idea those projected water screens

D3C4FF

@Adnan Looks pretty good! Where did you get that bottle btw?

TildalWave

@Adnan looks like an alien is trying to get some

D3C4FF

@TildalWave Yeah they look quite effective.

I just bought two more RasPis :D

Adnan

@D3C4FF eBay

@TildalWave Shit! You're on to me!

D3C4FF

7:54 AM

@Adnan WOAH. Pricey much? You can buy a drink called 'Cloudy Scrumpy' which is a type of cider here in Aus... comes in a similar (2L) bottle, for approx $30...

TildalWave

@D3C4FF that's @Adnan's own bootleg ;) And it looks a lot more than 2L to me, unless @Adnan is a midget LOL

Adnan

@D3C4FF In which Australian territory are you?

@TildalWave It's 5 litres

@D3C4FF Anyway, then. Here's a shop in New South Wales thebrewshop.com.au/5-litre-demijohn.html , $15 seems pretty decent

TildalWave

@Adnan I think he'd prefer one that actually comes with some booze in it?

Adnan

@D3C4FF And here's one in Victoria grainandgrape.com.au/… , $12.5

@TildalWave I think most of the fun is in making it

TildalWave

@Adnan then keep on making and we'll keep on drinking ;) all happy :)

looking for cheap flights till Finland...

Adnan

8:11 AM

@TildalWave From Slovenia? What's the date range?

TildalWave

@Adnan whenever it suits you ;) I won't say no to a good looking drink

Adnan

@TildalWave Hehehe.. I thought you're actually looking for flights for some business trip or something

TildalWave

@Adnan well... depends on whether we'd be left with some and how much you'd be willing to sell it for... the first if is more of a problem :))

289€ is the cheapest I could find Ljubljana-Helsinki with our national carrier ... bloody expensive, I bet I could get a cheaper flight with Lufthansa... let me check

Finnair 236€ ... some dates for 211€ even

Polynomial

looks like DHS is finally going after BitCoin

Mt. Gox has had their accounts frozen

Lucas Kauffman

9:04 AM

got to love crappy waiting music

Ladadadada

9:14 AM

@D3C4FF My brother and I made our own cider two years ago. He has three apple trees in his backyard.

We got 200 kg of apples which made about 100L of juice.

He bought some buckets, yeast, filters and some special sugar called Xylatol. We also hired the scratter and the press. The whole thing ended up being very cheap for 200L of cider. :-)

D3C4FF

@Ladadadada HOLY SHIT BALLZ. That's an amazing amount of cider D:

@TildalWave @Adnan I wouldn't mind drinking it first, then refilling it. Best of both worlds eh? :P

TildalWave

10:16 AM

@D3C4FF well of course, I didn't first learn to count backwards for no reason :)

Adnan

10:26 AM

@lynks Your answer got me so excited that I wrote my comment while reading your answer, by the time I reached the end of the answer I realized I was just making the same point you've already made. Embarrassing!

lynks

@Adnan :P I thought you were just re-iterating a point that could easily have been lost in the middle of a long-winded answer.

@TildalWave is it ok if I use your comment to add to my answer?

@TildalWave or would you prefer to write a second answer

TildalWave

@lynks oh sure... I'll delete it then ;) +1 anyways

lynks

@TildalWave nah dont delete it

TildalWave

@lynks no no you just copy it in the answer it's ok... or change however you like it, it was just a reminder ;) no need to stay there then

lynks

@TildalWave I just meant I was going with 'As Tildalwave points out...'

TildalWave

10:33 AM

@lynks ah OK then... just thought it's worth mentioning since this is somewhat hidden from most developers and that there's usually no need to go search for a different compiler if they're happy with the one they already have

I've written most of assembly in Delphi where you merely begin a function call with asm instead of begin... the rest is then all the same as in all other proper compilers... while we're at it, how are these compilers even named, compared to say JITs and alike?

I never know what word to use

lynks

@TildalWave no idea, the difference between what a low-level compiler such as gcc does, and what a high-level compiler does is so different, it's a shame they both have the same name 'compiler'

inline assembly only makes sense when statements are pretty much mapped to instructions 1 to 1 anyway, such as with C.

TildalWave

@lynks that's what's bothering me yup... then I have to resort to either describing the differences (which isn't easy) or picking a less than suitable name for it

lynks

does anyone have any idea what this guy is talking about?

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Q: Block unauthorized user from getting access to intranet

What's the common way to block users from accessing intranet? Right now whoever plugin a cable can access any intranet server freely, I want to change this behavior. But given that we runs not only Windows machines but also Linux clients, I can't just use NAP to restrict DHCP access. Here's my ...

access-control

TildalWave

@lynks well yes, but if it can translate inline statements, then there's no reason it wouldn't be capable of compiling a whole asm project too... never done that in Delphi tho, but it's probably just a compiler flag

Adnan

@lynks Yup. He has a physical security problem

lynks

10:44 AM

@Adnan seems like its almost out of our scope

Adnan

@lynks I have to disagree. It's not a good question (I wouldn't upvote it) but I think it's on-topic

TildalWave

scissors usually do the trick ;)

Adnan

@lynks He has a network and he wants to restrict access only to authorized personnel. Looks relevant to me. Any ideas why not?

TildalWave

joking... but it reminded me of one funny scene where an admin was running around with scissors screaming I'm gonna give you Internet ;))

@Adnan can be retagged to include physical

lynks

@Adnan I'm not sure, if he allows people to plug into a switch, he cannot keep them off the subnet

Lucas Kauffman

10:49 AM

so I'm wondering what to do, either deploy an application with Paste or with Nginx

Adnan

@LucasKauffman nginx

@lynks 100% correct

TildalWave

0

A: Block unauthorized user from getting access to intranet

Just disable unused ports on the switch, on this way if the attacker plugs in a cable it won't connect to the intranet because that port was disabled. Obviously, if he unplugs some device and plugs its device there, he can connect to the intranet. But in this point get in the game another questi...

@Adnan in all fairness, he did question his physical security in the last sentence ;)

Adnan

@TildalWave Which is exactly what I said, his "answer" is basically a comment to ask the OP about the physical security.

TildalWave

@Adnan yes, I agree, but I'm not sure the down-vote is necessary... if it should be anywhere, then IMO better on the question

Adnan

@TildalWave I'm sorry, we have different opinions about this. If the only useful part of your "answer" is asking the OP for more information, then it's a useless answer to me.

@TildalWave And hey, at least when I downvote I leave an explanation.

TildalWave

10:57 AM

@Adnan well... I'm not trying to suggest how you should vote, don't get me wrong... and yes I actually agree with you, but I think at least it was an attempt at answering the question... OK OK I'm being anal here, my bad

Adnan

@TildalWave But you see, an upvote or downvote it's not to reward/punish an attempt. I'm not saying it's not answer, yeah it might be, but it's useless.

TildalWave

@Adnan well now that you've commented all over it is :P joking

@Adnan if I annoy you enough, will you be sending some of that poison of yours to my address?

Adnan

@LucasKauffman But wait wait, what kind of application are you deploying? It seems a bit weird to me to have those two options

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan Python webapplication

Flask framework

TildalWave

@LucasKauffman you mean Paste, or Paste Deploy?

Lucas Kauffman

11:01 AM

well a uwsgi

Adnan

@LucasKauffman My non-expert opinion would be Paste in this case.

Lucas Kauffman

@TildalWave just Paste

maybe I should just benchmark em both

and see which one gives in first

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Share the results with us

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan I'll make some graphs

and a dashboard

managers love dashboards.

TildalWave

@LucasKauffman I wouldn't know but if I had to choose based on my limited experience I'd choose Paste too... but you should probably know better

lynks

11:07 AM

its always a little nerve wracking running a sed substitution recursively over a whole source tree...

Lucas Kauffman

@TildalWave why does everyone assume I'm "experienced"? :P

lynks

@LucasKauffman for the first time in a long time, I have no idea what the DMZ is talking about, paste? uwsgi?

TildalWave

@LucasKauffman you're posting pics of beers in DMZ, what more proof do you need?

Lucas Kauffman

@lynks The Web Server Gateway Interface defines a simple and universal interface between web servers and web applications or frameworks for the Python programming language.

TildalWave

@LucasKauffman The name for it totally sucks tho, try Googling for "paste" LOL... Even "rails" is better in that regard

Lucas Kauffman

11:10 AM

@TildalWave experienced drinker :P?

@TildalWave definitely

lynks

ahh, I'm not a pythoner. I am learning though.

Lucas Kauffman

@lynks Python is the new perl, except you have to write tidy code

TildalWave

@LucasKauffman where's that "experienced programmer, will work for beer" meme?

lynks

upon realising that socket.getsocket(target, port).send(struct.pack(EXPLOIT)) is quite a lot quicker than doing it any other way, i decided i needed to learn python properly.

TildalWave

@LucasKauffman I've never written much in it, but it's actually so similar to Pascal in that tidiness (and a lot of other things too actually) that I've not once had to google for syntax suggestions... maybe for libraries, but I'd google for that for any language... it's definitely on my todo list too

Lucas Kauffman

11:14 AM

@lynks same for web frameworks

Nathan C

@TildalWave zazzle.com/…

Lucas Kauffman

python vs ruby vs php adambard.com/blog/PHP-ruby-python-clojure-webapps-by-example

TildalWave

@NathanC hehe nice one thanks :)

@NathanC edit: meh, doesn't want to take a pic only

Nathan C

Haha. Links no cooperate :P

TildalWave

@NathanC nope :( bummer

lynks

11:19 AM

@NathanC I raise you zazzle.com/eip_0x41414141_0x41414141_mugs-168901553941783683

Nathan C

11:32 AM

overflows buffer

Ooh, so that's how you make italics

TildalWave

11:47 AM

@NathanC That's how you use them, but they're otherwise finely crafted in Italy (thus the name) in a highly elaborate process of first finding a soft and unstable building site, then erecting a tower that leans at the exact predetermined angle for casual tourists to enjoy. All other italic letters are then first aligned with this leaning tower template, so geeks don't have to travel to enjoy their aesthetic beauty.

Lucas Kauffman

does anyone know what those views in SQL are called again that are actually their own table and get automatically updated?

Nathan C

Uh...indexes? I feel as if I should know, but my mind's drawing a blank.

TildalWave

@LucasKauffman crosstabs?

Lucas Kauffman

materialized view!

thats what I was looking for

TildalWave

ah snapshots

Adnan

11:59 AM

@LucasKauffman Indeed. Whenever I make any official paper/proposal/report I add graphs in a dashboard layout. Graphs about anything, and if I don't have any data to be graphed I just make a graph about the time it took me to make the graph.

Adnan

12:10 PM

Damn! I really like @Thomas' answer on that shellcode question

Nathan C

12:24 PM

Stackexchange lies to me. It says I earned vote up access but then it tells me I need 15 reputation. Hmm.

Or maybe it's because it was loading notifications from another subsite where I do have enough rep...

Adnan

@NathanC On which site?

Nathan C

@Adnan: I have enough rep on serverfault but not security.stackexchange.com

But the notifications appear on both sites, so I was a bit confused for a second.

Terry Chia

1:01 PM

I'm surprised. A good question from here actually made it to the supercollider for once.

D3C4FF

ahhhh cunts. Australia. Now endorses censorship.

delimiter.com.au/2013/05/15/…

Lucas Kauffman

@D3C4FF s/cunts/*****/

O_o

@D3C4FF censored.

@LucasKauffman :)

1:08 PM

@Ladadadada I would be worried about that lasting through the weekend. Maybe you should get some bigger buckets next time.

Adnan

@D3C4FF Now?

Ladadadada

@ScottPack Our problem at the moment is finding bigger trees.

Scott Pack

@Ladadadada No. Your problem is running out of cider on Saturday night! Get your priorities straight, man!

Ladadadada

We did use champagne yeast though, so the cider ends up being about 10%. :-)

Scott Pack

I really need to make some cider.

I also need to fix this fucking perl script that I was writing at 12:45 last night.

Terry Chia

1:10 PM

@ScottPack It's perl. You can't fix that shit.

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;)

Lucas Kauffman

@ScottPack stop using perl.

Rory McCune

@ScottPack ah see I can see where you went wrong there... Perl is a write-only scripting language :)

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Scott Pack

Perl mockery? What was that?

3

D3C4FF

@Adnan You know legally, if i'm in Victoria, its illegal for me to swear?

Scott Pack

@D3C4FF I was raised in a state where it was illegal to swear within earshot of women or children.

D3C4FF

1:19 PM

@ScottPack Oh won't somebody please think of the children!!!! swoons

Terry Chia

@ScottPack So stop swearing if @Iszi is around.

@D3C4FF hehe

D3C4FF

@TerryChia Is @Iszi a women and a children?

Scott Pack

@D3C4FF Granted, it's also illegal to sneeze on a public street or to walk down the street with an ice cream cone in your pocket.

Adnan

@D3C4FF So they actually passed that law?

Terry Chia

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A: The Memes of IT Security

Meme: @Iszi's Gender Originator: @Iszi, @ScottPack, @GrahamLee Cultural Height: Most of 2011 Background: Originally, @Graham made a snarky comment to @Iszi, and @Scott over-analyzed and ran downhill with it. @Iszi's protests of malehood notwithstanding. Graham Lee: @Iszi Just doin' my jo...

Scott Pack

1:20 PM

@D3C4FF There's reason to suspect he's a woman and he acts childish about it....

D3C4FF

@ScottPack Those rat-bastards! Where else do they want me to keep my cones??!

Scott Pack

@D3C4FF Madonna showed them.

D3C4FF

Oh... Wait. Ice-cream cones... Not cones of ice...

@ScottPack ololol

@Adnan Yup

Terry Chia

Sanity check - is there any good reason for using a RDMS to store user registration info over a NoSQL db?

Scott Pack

That depends. Do you wear nasty plaid shirts and wear pants that resemble colorful leggings?

Terry Chia

1:23 PM

@ScottPack No.

Scott Pack

Then you're not hipster enough to use NoSQL.

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Adnan

@TerryChia Nope

Terry Chia

@ScottPack Butbutbut... :(

@Adnan Aye thanks, that's what I thought.

Scott Pack

POP PANTS OR GTFO!

Adnan

@TerryChia Which NoSQL are you using?

Terry Chia

1:24 PM

@ScottPack Jeggings ftw.

@Adnan Looking at MongoDB.

Scott Pack

@TerryChia You're a terrible person.

Adnan

@TerryChia Now the question that you need to answer. Why NoSQL?

Terry Chia

@Adnan Well, I'm gonna be storing files, so NoSQL is a good fit. I was gonna be storing the files on the filesystem but someone suggested that a NoSQL DB has it's advantages.

Scott Pack

@TerryChia Unless you're in this picture, in which case you receive special dispensation.

Terry Chia

►

Adnan

1:27 PM

@TerryChia Did that "someone" explain to you the advantages when it comes to storing files?

Scott Pack

@TerryChia I suppose you really need to look at how many records you'll be storing and what kind of search times are acceptable. My understanding is that NoSQL junk doesn't scale as well as SQL stuff for access times.

Adnan

@TerryChia Dude.. no no no! each one of us has different work environment. A co-worker passing by might have the wrong idea

Terry Chia

@Adnan Mainly the ease of it at the cost of a small performance penalty.

@Adnan hehe. collegehumor generally isn't SFW..

Scott Pack

A W-neck? Nice.

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Adnan

@TerryChia and that's why you post a link not a thumbnail

Scott Pack

1:30 PM

But it's a bramica. A time honored religious icon!

Also. Dude said he's 30. Do I sound like that? ಡ_ಡ

Adnan

@TerryChia That person doesn't seem to be experienced.

Terry Chia

@Adnan Well... he is my lecturer with a PhD.

Adnan

@TerryChia I think it's not easy to convince that there's anything better to store files than a, well, filesystem

Terry Chia

I have done my own research into it - it's a nice solution.

Scott Pack

Why not just use YAML? It's the ultimate in NoSQL databases.

Adnan

1:32 PM

@TerryChia Title dropping is useless here.

Scott Pack

The DB is an array of hashes where each hash is a table and the keys for each hash are the primary key of that table.

Adnan

@TerryChia Oh, in that case, please.. share your findings with us!

Terry Chia

@Adnan Trying to find that SO link right now.

Scott Pack

That's your research? SO?

Terry Chia

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Q: Is GridFS fast and reliable enough for production?

I develop a new website and I want to use GridFS as storage for all user uploads, because it offers a lot of advantages compared to a normal filesystem storage. Benchmarks with GridFS served by nginx indicate, that it's not as fast as a normal filesystem served by nginx. Benchmark with nginx ...

mongodb nginx gridfs

The evidence is anecdotal to be sure, but it's just a school project, can't hurt to try it out.

Adnan

1:43 PM

@TerryChia Okay, I searched even further, and wow! First, thank you. Second, this completely challenges my views of NoSQL that I acquired from using CouchDB.

@TerryChia I've just checked some actual data comparing MySQL and MongoDB. I'm shocked! Gigantic difference from CouchDB.

Terry Chia

@Adnan Interesting!

Ladadadada

2:16 PM

@Adnan It's nice to see people actually running benchmarks rather than just assuming that NoSQL is faster because joins.

But it's worth noting that they didn't mention which MySQL storage engine they were using and that 1.5GB of query_cache is very likely hurting their write performance quite dramatically.

Adnan

2:39 PM

@Ladadadada @TerryChia and here are some data on GridFS ypass.net/solaris/nginx-gridfs-benchmarks/results.html , which is pretty much what I expected.

TildalWave

2:54 PM

@Adnan it doesn't explain why OP received such a message in the first place tho, although I agree it looks legit... so the question is now who was the joker that requested password reset with FB on OP's behalf and for what purpose... maybe also add that there's a legit link to Facebook's disavow password reset that OP might want to follow, so FB can look into it

Adnan

@RoryAlsop If you're here, please check the the flag on this question, it's urgent

@TildalWave I already explained that in my answer: Either a- by mistake, b- someone trying to highjack his account someone (maybe the attack has access to the OP's email. That's why I asked him to change his email password).

TildalWave

@Adnan What am I missing? Some PII left in there? I mean... why the urgency?

Adnan

@TildalWave The password recovery link still exposed together with the code

TildalWave

@Adnan Got it, but I don't even use FB had to ask my missus to explain LOL

Adnan

@TildalWave But yeah, the disavow link suggestion is great.

TildalWave

2:58 PM

I wonder if @Jeff's new position will force me to finally cave in and create a FB account LOL

Terry Chia

@TildalWave heh.

Hey @Jeff, fix the damn FB app. :P

Adnan

@Tildal I added that to the answer. Thanks for bringing it up.

Jesus!! A mod nuked the whole question!

Terry Chia

@Adnan That would be @RoryAlsop.

I love mod powers. :P

TildalWave

@Adnan Those were valid yesterday... don't tell me FB keeps these tokens valid for more than a day LOL

Adnan

@TildalWave I have no idea. I flagged it as a precautionary measure.

lynks

3:04 PM

I only just learnt that java .class files always start with the four bytes CA FE BA BE

Adnan

@lynks You've just reminded me of my programming lecturer.

@lynks The only reason I know that is that he called it Cafe Babe (Cafe.. Java..)

TildalWave

@Adnan well there you go then, precautionarily taken care of LOL

Adnan

@lynks Damn! I really thought it was our lecturer's wit! Turns out it's the actual naming story

My college life was a lie!

TildalWave

@Adnan lecturers don't have wit! well maybe first 2 minutes, but they usually google that too

Adnan

@TerryChia Since you have super powers now, can you see the deleted question?

Terry Chia

3:12 PM

@Adnan Yup!

Adnan

@TerryChia I hate you!

lynks

I missed it, why was it deleted?

Terry Chia

@Adnan Get yo ass to 10k! You are halfway there.

Adnan

@lynks I'm not entirely sure, but I think because it contained personal information in the revisions

Xander

@lynks So that SE staff could permanently delete the PII from the revision history. It should be restored after that.

Adnan

3:14 PM

@TerryChia Will do, will do. On 28.04 I got 3k, hopefully a couple more months I'll get 10k

lynks

@Adnan @Xander rgr

Adnan

@Xander Well it better be returned! I have 15 rep + 2 upvotes there!

Lucas Kauffman

Faceb00k h4x3d H@LP!

-2

Q: Protect my self from links that steal ips

My friend was hacked just because he clicked on a link that direct him to a photo on facebook, the link was like all the other fb links but it seems the photo had sort of a code or somthing. clicking on that link gave the hacker my friends ip , and with the help of a program (I am not sure what i...

passwords windows web-browser facebook

TildalWave

@Adnan one of them mine which also matters... I may not lead in how much rep I receive, but I'm up there with the best of them in how much rep I give :P (e key got stuck sorry... where's me cleenex)

lynks

I mostly started ignoring rep since I hit 3k

Adnan

3:19 PM

@lynks I'm not able to! I think I will ignore it after I see a k next to my name on the site.

lynks

@Adnan yeah thats a nice milestone, I assume that's 10k?

Adnan

@lynks Yup

TildalWave

@Adnan kAdnan there you go

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Adnan

@TildalWave I need another "k"

Nathan C

@LucasKauffman "hacked" doesn't mean what he thinks it means haha. It was probably one of those clickjacking scams and he got a virus..

Adnan

3:22 PM

@LucasKauffman Oh noes! Haxor stealz my IPz.

TildalWave

3:33 PM

Rory Alsop

@adnan - done.

Adnan

@TildalWave Awwwh! How sweet!

@RoryAlsop That's a pretty neat cleanup!

Rory Alsop

It isn't actually something mods can do - but we can flag it to the developers who can strip the old revisions off completely. We just delete it until they can do that, meaning only 10k- ers can see it, which reduces the potential risk.

Jeff Ferland

3:56 PM

I can't work anywhere with you people. Fix Java. Fix the Facebook app... some things just can't be done by any mortal!

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... we need a @Rory!

TildalWave

0

A: Paypal Account created using my gmail account

same thing is happening to me as we speak. someone hackefd into my account with another email using a screen name i used to use and making unauthorized transactions through it.

nuke it

Adnan

@JeffFerland Are you making a statement as a Facebook employee that Facebook is broken and cannot be fixed? (trap.. hehehehe)

lynks

"someone hackefd into my account" ... hackefd ... hackefd

Terry Chia

@JeffFerland One @Rory isn't enough. We need two @Rory!

TildalWave

@lynks swipe keyboard ;)

lynks

4:05 PM

Did someone say @Rory ?

Terry Chia

@lynks Yes. Me. @Rory.

Rory McCune

Hey don't make me set-up a bot to ping you lot on a regular but unpredictable basis ;op

TildalWave

@JeffFerland Fixed Java? Sounds like a bad day at Starbucks!

lynks

@Rory we were actually talking to the other @Rory

Nathan C

Hm, that question is two years old as well...

TildalWave

4:09 PM

Java(fix).trousers=brown

lynks

love this; from the GTA2 development docs: "The memory required by the uncompressed map is 256x256x8x12 bytes = 6MB . Clearly, this is too large to be practical in-game."

Now that makes me feel old, I remember GTA2 coming out...

Adnan

@lynks Was this the top-view version?

lynks

@Adnan yeap

Adnan

@lynks Awwh! The days! I remember when Rockstar released it for free, I downloaded it right away and was immediately immersed in nostalgia

Nathan C

I remember playing that on my PS1...

Adnan

4:16 PM

@NathanC Are you sure?

@NathanC Oh yeah, my bad. Confused two different things

Nathan C

The tanks were sooooo fun.

lynks

just to be even more confusing, are you sure you mean PS1? they were pretty rare. most people had a PSX

and the PSX version did not have the lighting effects you see above (thats a PC screenshot)

Nathan C

@lynks i still have the original PS1 kicking around somewhere, but it was likely a PSX I was playing on. My memory's probably rather fuzzy, but I do remember playing it and it wasn't on a PC haha

lynks

@NathanC the PSX was this one: http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/23800000/Playstation-playstation-23893180-500-313.jpg
the PS1 was this one: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-l3tT9PA-ZCM/UCqS_S5kUTI/AAAAAAAADDs/818hbyMdvgc/s1600/psone.jpg

TildalWave

@lynks "Few things are more confusing than the weird stuff compilers do to reduce the number of instructions." I wish I could upvote a 100 times just for this last sentence LOL so true

btw what is a syntax to make a quote in chat?

lynks

4:27 PM

@TildalWave :P I have had many hours trying to figure out what was going on before I realised I was looking at compiler optimisations :P

TildalWave

@lynks probably happens to everyone at some stage, I've been there myself too

lynks

@TildalWave the bear's answer on there is really great. It will probably keep me awake tonight.

TildalWave

@lynks I'm far worse off-- promised to finish some website design, which is NOT what I do, and NOT what I like to do either... such fun

Adnan

@lynks Ahaaa.. so that's what's that is called.. PSX!

lynks

@Adnan yep, but be warned. If you correct people when they call it the "PS1" you will get roughly the same response as I do when I correct people who say a KB has 1024 bytes, or that 1.44MB floppy disks never existed...

which is to say...blank stares and thinly veiled disgust.

Iszi

4:37 PM

@lynks A KB does have 1024 bytes - or it did until someone decided that we needed to create a new term (KiB) to describe what we already had a word for.

lynks

@Iszi oh you've thrown the gauntlet now :P

K = Kilo, a metric prefix that existed long before we had `bytes` to apply it to. Has always meant 1000 of whatever you put after it.
B = Byte.

Adnan

@lynks He, @Iszi, seems to be well aware of that.

lynks

You can't go messing with well established notation just because it suits the case. The Ki prefix is necessary

TildalWave

@Iszi it was used for both 10^3 or 2^10 but that's why KiB was coined so there's no confusion... so now KiB (kibibyte) = 2^10 = 1024 and KB (kilobyte) = 10^3 = 1000 ;)

Iszi

@lynks Oh, I'm not saying we didn't screw up by saying KB = 1024 bytes in the first place. But once you've got that so well-established and embedded into the culture, changing it again is just as bad as having gotten it wrong originally.

Adnan

4:39 PM

@Iszi I actually agree with you, all of the sudden in 2007 people started adopting this kibibyte crap.

lynks

It also removes the possibility of getting into a mess like 1.44MB floppy disks. A number that we all recognise, but that was never correct... the actual amount was 1.44KKiB, which is just terrible...

Rory McCune

@lynks that's what the letter A is for :)

TildalWave

@Iszi can you explain that to HDD and SSD manufacturers please?

Xander

@lynks Just call them 3.5" double density removable storage media, and be done with it. :-P

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TildalWave

I believe Seagate was sued back in the days for this

lynks

4:41 PM

ok I'm done I promise :P

TildalWave

or was it HGST... whatever

Iszi

@TildalWave That crap's always been about marketing. You'll never fix that. If they ever find an authority that says 1 KB = 1 B, we'll have Petabyte HDDs on the shelves at Best Buy overnight.

TildalWave

@Iszi marketing: "bigger is better" reviewers: "it's not bigger, so by your logic, it's not better either"

Jeff Ferland

@Adnan I don't start until Monday ;)

Iszi

@ScottPack Start talking about it again when we can actually vote.

lynks

4:45 PM

We really should make the Ki switch before real PetaByte drives are consumer products, otherwise we will be like 25% off...

Iszi

@lynks Just what we need: another tech term to confuse consumers with.

Would have been better if everyone would have just agreed a long time ago that a KB is a KB is a KB... whatever the definition of KB may be, so long as it's self-consistent.

(i.e.: It's ok that a KB = 1024 B as long as everyone agrees to it, regardless of what the SI prefix is supposed to mean.)

lynks

@Iszi absolutely, consistency is all that matters. Including between KG, KM, KB, KDucks

Otherwise you might as well say that 1KDuck = 3 ducks, which would lead to some very disappointed duck purchasers.

TildalWave

@Iszi that would be Kelvin ;)

bloody hell they all commited suicide that anal I was

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AJ Henderson

@Iszi well the consumers are starting to figure out when best buy salesmen are BSing them

we need more confusion

or soon they may realize that the Best Buy salesman is ALWAYS BSing them

Iszi

@TildalWave Three words are auto-starred in here: "anal", "boobies", and "star". Also, any form of self-deprecation or Bear worship.

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AJ Henderson

4:53 PM

@Iszi ut oh, I can't star your comment 4 times

TildalWave

@AJHenderson you command only two sock puppets?

...what's the word I'm looking for? what do puppeteers do?

AJ Henderson

have too much free time on their hands?

Xander

@TildalWave Live in their parents basements?

@TildalWave Cry themselves to sleep at night?

AJ Henderson

use socks for other purposes than putting over their hands which may or may not involve some of the above mentioned words

Xander

@TildalWave Advance the field of quality performance art?

lynks

4:57 PM

@TildalWave finally commit suicide at the age of 26 having already suffered through 3 divorces and having their children taken away from them.

@TildalWave all I can think is 'manipulate'?

TildalWave

@lynks ah so they pull on strings

AJ Henderson

@lynks though I have to say 3 marriages by 26 would be something of an accomplishment

let alone just getting the divorces through the courts

Xander

@TildalWave I read an article about one who had quit his insurance job to get his master's degree in puppeteering, then joined the "Occupy Wall Street" protests when he "couldn't find a well-paying job in his chosen field."

TildalWave

is to puppeteer a verb, like say to commandeer?

@Xander what a muppet!

Scott Pack

I recommend you people search the Comms Room star wall for 'lady puppet' and sock

I would bring in selected quotes but I'm on my way to a hike.

TildalWave

5:05 PM

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Q: SHA-1: Is there any mathematical result that gives us the minimum number of 1's in a 160-bit SHA-1 hash output?

Is there any mathematical result that gives us the minimum number of 1's in a 160-bit SHA-1 hash output? What is the probability that the 160 bit result contains at least 128 1's?

sha

This is OT, right?

Iszi

5:19 PM

@TildalWave Cryptography maybe.

TildalWave

@Iszi that's what I commented there... flagged it OT also so it's moved

Iszi

Bah. Was about to ask why we still don't have a migrate option for Crypto, but then remembered they're still in beta.

@ThomasPornin When are you guys getting out of beta so we can add you to our migrations list?

TildalWave

@Iszi the bear is never in beta, he's always an alpha, don't you know that?

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Iszi

@TildalWave But isn't alpha before beta, and therefore less complete? How dare you insult the Bear in such a way?!

(Note to self: Need to learn the key combo for interrobang.)

TildalWave

@Iszi alpha males can beta test anything they want, for as long as they want, and finish whenever they please - doubt that and you'll end up being a finished product!

@Iszi ‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽

Iszi

5:31 PM

@TildalWave Yeah, that.

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