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Q: Divergent Philosophies, Convergent Mission

DanThere's been plenty of talk about what we're doing wrong lately. Here's a little post about what I believe we're doing right. It's also an attempt to document what I believe are the three main overarching philosophies at work on this site. As always, feel free to respond if I've got it all wrong ...

 
 
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10:46 AM
The clock is running down on this meager bounty:
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Q: How can one determine that a passage is "programmatic"?

SoldarnalI've seen it commonly said that Psalm 1 and 2 are to be considered "programmatic" for the Psalms. I've seen mention of the same for Luke 4 and Luke(-Acts). For example, Gordon Wenham writes: This anonymity at the beginning of the Psalter has led most commentators to recognize that Psalms 1 an...

 
11:01 AM
I seriously need to do some asking or answering just so I can support my downvote habit here!
 
@Caleb Done :-)
 
@NiclasNilsson Looks good to me.
 
Is it possible to split this question? It is one question in the topic (which is addressed with answers) and another one in the body which is not addressed. hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/5699/…
 
@NiclasNilsson yeah, I just starred your comment there
I think at least the second question should be edited out the the focus fixed on the question in the title
Do you feel up to making the edit?
bah, 1k rep needed
you'll be there soon :)
oh, you can suggest an edit before 1k, can't you?
 
@JackDouglas I can and I try to do that later. Right now I am preparing a sermon that addresses "time thieves" and "energy thieves" :-p
 
11:18 AM
@NiclasNilsson :)
 
11:39 AM
@JackDouglas For an edit? Anybody can do that.
@JackDouglas Yes even anonymous users can suggest edits.
@NiclasNilsson If you like I can post the second question as a new one.
 
11:51 AM
An second thought, I'm not sure I can.
I just typed it all up, but in researching the verses I don't see what the question is any more.
> Other attributes of Melchizedek are noted in Hebrews 7 as well. From where does this information about Melchizedek and his order come?
 
> without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually. ?
 
Really? What other attributes? I don't see anything in Heb 7 that isn't from the Gen 14 account.
Hmm, I guess I see what is meant by that expounded on in the rest of the passage which is basically the same thing as asking "what is the order of Melchizedek", but there is one piece in there that might make a question.
 
@Caleb Oh. Shame on me. I just believed what the OP said, didn't check it myself. Shame on me.
 
Is it just me or do hats sometimes make you laugh?
 
@NiclasNilsson I did the same. And there is a fragment of something so I'm trying to put together a question anyway.
@JackDouglas I think that's half the point.
 
12:06 PM
Ok. I have lunch break so I try to edit the question and you ppl can continue the edit if it lacks something.
 
If you think translation is 'mostly mechanical' then you must think Google Translate does a good job? Real translation always includes interpreting and understanding the text so you can transport not only the literally closest word but also the sense to varying degrees. This is true even of 'essentially literal' translations like the ESV. — Jack Douglas 1 min ago
Am I being too harsh?
 
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Q: Where does the extra information about Melchizedek come from in Hebrews 7?

CalebThe Genesis account of Abraham's encounter with Melchizedek leaves us with powerful few details about his life, yet later on the author of Hebrews clearly uses his priestly work as a type of Christ, going so far as to compare their origins and rolls as priest. Genesis at least tells us that the m...

@NiclasNilsson I asked a replacement for the 'extra info' bit, so that can be removed and the question from the title made the main focus.
 
@Caleb Ok. I'm working on it :)
 
@JackDouglas No. Maybe having dealt with that OP's trollish antics for so long has biased me, but I think some things call for blunt language. That is, at least, blunt about the facts of the case without making it an ad hominem attack.
Maybe somebody can review if I am making any sense here and if so explain the issue in another way. I seem to be failing to communicate well.
 
Ok. I have now made an edit to this question and you native English speakers can fix my bad grammer :-p hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/5699/…
 
12:48 PM
@NiclasNilsson Wow, that took major step up the question quality scale! Good work.
 
@Caleb Thanks :-)
 
1:06 PM
I did another follow up question. I don't think it is a duplicate? hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/7801/…
 
 
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@rhetorician Just so you know, you’re not the only one hit with “User was removed”. I lost 15, don't know why and have been trying my best to improve my reputation. Now its falling down too. ;-)
 
@JohnMartin Don't sweat the rep thing too much. Heck mine is down from Sept. I've seen trolls with more rep then me on some sites. Rep means something but it's not the end goal or a perfect metric.
 
@JohnMartin I appreciate your sense of humour John :)
 
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Q: Times of the restitution of all things

user2479Acts 3:20-21 says, "And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began." My question is, "What are the times of the 'resti...

@user2479 I think you've got this one ^^^ phrased just right fwiw
I hope the answers are interesting and if you provide one I hope it is well received too :)
 
 
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Dan
5:57 PM
Hola @JackDouglas
PS @Caleb this has been edited as requested (too bad I can't vote, though) :P
 
 
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7:30 PM
@MonicaCellio I was just looking at Gen 50:26, the last verse of the book. The wording in the KJV and NAV Bibles differ a bit.
Gen 50:26 So Joseph died, being an hundred and ten years old: and they embalmed him, and he was put in a coffin in Egypt. (KJV)
Gen 50:26 Joseph died at the age of a hundred and ten. He was embalmed and laid to rest in a coffin in Egypt. (NAV)
I’m curious. Does the wording in your Bible include the word “age”? Thanks.
One reason I ask is that, in the NAV, the word "age" is only used once...There in the very last verse.
 
Dan
@JohnMartin 'age' and 'years old' are expressing the same word in both translations
it's just an expression
Nut I'm looking it up for you as we speak
Nut = *Note
 
@Dan I know what you're saying. They are synonyms, if you will. I'm just wondering if this NAV is the only Bible in which "age" is only used once, and it just happens to be the last verse of the book.
 
Dan
@JohnMartin it's an idiomatic expression, it literally says "son of a hundred and ten years"
בֶּן־מֵאָ֥ה וָעֶ֖שֶׂר שָׁנִ֑ים
 
7:49 PM
@Dan Thanks. That's exactly what I thought it said!!
;-)
 
Dan
@JohnMartin is this related to any existing question on the site?
 
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Q: Joseph dies at about 110

John MartinIn the last 5 verses of Genesis, Joseph's 110 years is written twice. The first shows 110 years of life, while the latter shows 110 years in age. Is that just repeated for no particular reason, or are life and age two different things? The two are sometimes considered to differ by about 9 months...

 
Dan
aha thx
 
In Genesis of this NAV, I read "years old" and "lifetime" usually. Once in a way I read "life". Only once do I read "age" (i.e. there in the last verse of the book).
 
8:05 PM
@Dan Is Monica still around? I'm noting her recent library messages are gone.
 
Dan
@JohnMartin yes and no
p.s. I'm answering your question right now
 
Should I give you my phone #?
Just kidding...
I just didn't think it would take this long to answer. ;-)
 
Dan
8:22 PM
@JohnMartin here you go
@JohnMartin it takes effort to post a good answer
but there is already an accepted answer, so I along with others would presume you already have an answer
I would encourage you to not mark an answer as accepted if you have not yet had a full answer to your question
because most of us don't bother answering questions that already have an accepted answer
 
Ok. I just didn't notice this difference until today.
So I added it on as a note.
Then I removed it because my NAV differed from the KJV.
 
Dan
@JohnMartin well let me know if I answered your question or not
I don't know of any source supporting the assertion you made in your last sentence, it is best to include a citation for assertions like that so we can check them ourselves (and consider the source)
 
All right. Thanks.
@Dan I just saw the length of your answer, not knowing you were placing it on hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/q/6236/2873
I had no idea you were doing that much research. I apologize and thank you.
 
Dan
@JohnMartin no prob, but you could at least upvote it if it is helpful :P
 
It is so far so I have.
 
Dan
8:37 PM
@JohnMartin cool (I was trying to make sure I hadn't somehow not answered the question
 
What is the site you are getting that from?
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A: Joseph dies at about 110

DanTextual Breakdown In Genesis 50:22 the text literally says: וַיְחִ֣י יוֹסֵ֔ף מֵאָ֥ה וָעֶ֖שֶׂר שָׁנִֽים1 "Joseph lived a hundred and ten years" In v. 26, an idiomatic expression is used to say the same thing. The text of Genesis 50:26 literally says: בֶּן־מֵאָ֥ה וָעֶ֖שֶׂר שָׁנִ֑ים2...

 
Dan
8:49 PM
no, that is not the reason
@JohnMartin getting what from?
 
Sorry. I meant getting the quotes above from that Jewish/Hebrew Bible. That instead of the NAV or what Jack gave me to reference, the kingjamesbibleonline.org/…
 
Dan
@JohnMartin you mean the literal translations of the Hebrew? I translated them myself
 
Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia: SESB Version., electronic ed. (Stuttgart: German Bible Society, 2003), Ge 50:22.
 
Dan
@JohnMartin you can find the basic BHS text online at academic-bible.com/en/online-bibles/…
but you will need to pay for the SESB, the HALOT lexicon I use, and other resources
I have taken Hebrew in school and purchased scholarly works ovber the years
they aren't cheap
but that's where 'expert' information comes from, which is what this site is after
 
9:09 PM
וַ@ Dan Got it. Thanks
I should go now. Talk with you later.
 
Dan
@JohnMartin ok no problem
adios
 

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