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8:20 AM
@Asmyldof What are you up to?Any nifty project to work on?
 
9:19 AM
Just the contest I'm also blogging about
 
HI, why do we use complementary MOS to build logic gates ? Can't the gate just be implemented using NFET or PFET alone ?
 
9:37 AM
@johnsmith How aware are you at this moment of how either of them works?
(saves me a lot of tangent time)
 
9:51 AM
@Asmyldof I know how pfet and nfet work when voltage is applied
 
So, you are aware than an N-fet needs a positive gate voltage to turn on compared to the source, and that a P-fet needs a negative gate voltage compared to its source?
 
Yes
 
Do you also know that they both contain a body diode?
It's not a required argument, but it's "another one", so to speak
Because, ignoring the diode, say you have an N-Fet at the positive rail
Connecting the source to the supply would mean your gate needs to go to more than the positive supply to be able to turn it on
 
No , I am taking computer architecture class online and in that they did talk about diode in fet
 
Which cannot happen, because the supply is the highest voltage you have
So, then you need to connect the source to the load
Right?
But, say your FET needs 3V of gate voltage to turn on
And your gate can only go to the supply, which is 5V
Then the source can only go to 2V, because if it goes higher the FET will turn off
So the load will only get 2V
Say the load is another FET structure of the same type
It can now no longer turn on, because the gate never goes above 2V and it only turns on at 3V
Adding in the bode diode adds another problem with the first scenario, where the source connects to the supply
Because the bode diode in a FET, which is a part of how it works, not an option, conducts positive current from the source to the drain
So connecting the source to the supply will make it always be on, because the body diode will conduct
The same reasoning works for P-FETs on the Ground/Negative-supply
You could say "We'll make chips that work on 5V, but also get a 12V to turn on all the FETs on the positive rail" and such chips do exist. In fact, many earlier types of electrically erasable chips needed 12V to program or erase exactly for that reason.
But, since we have P-FETs and N-FETs it's infinitely cheaper to use complementary devices and supply everything from one supply voltage, both inside the chip and outside it, than having to plan extra positive or negative supply lanes
And now that our technology has become better, they also make the same kinds of memory as used to need a high voltage for erase that can work with the normal single supply
Because even if it needs a bit more detailed work in the chip, the cost of having various supplies in systems and the chip itself is bigger
 
10:03 AM
@Asmyldof Thanks , I am not able to grasp everything you are trying to explain now, I may need to read your answer multiple times
 
Don't really have time to make drawings, that'd probably have helped
Try to draw what I say yourself
 
Yes I will do that
thanks again
 
@Asmyldof should. I am sure that there is no description of what actually happened in my beaker...
 
@PlasmaHH Did it become an alien?
 
Pst, don't tell
 
10:09 AM
You have my attention
And also my lunch?
Plx?
 
You can have the light blue powder that got produced... No idea if it is edible though.
Well, for sure it is edible, but possibly only once
On a surprisingly more ontpoic note I was wondering if I have the patience to really build be a solar garden light PCB that easily replaces those in the ones you can buy everywhere...
 
@PlasmaHH Copper Tartrate? No thanks, don't need golden rings around my irisses
 
@Asmyldof the ladies might like it
 
Pretty sure the mental instability (... increase ...) will offset it
 
You think it will be that noticeable? ^^
 
10:19 AM
No way to be fully certain
Guess I'll be making lunch now
 
That's an option too
My grandpa said always it makes no sense to plan for next year if you don't know what to eat tomorrow
 
@PlasmaHH Guess I should stop making any plans at all then
@PlasmaHH What were you trying to do with your mixture?
 
11:13 AM
@Asmyldof What contest is that?
 
12:23 PM
Interesting
Taking part in it?
Hello @johnsmith
 
@DanielTork Hi
 
1:03 PM
@PlasmaHH Your grandpa was totally wrong
 
 
6 hours later…
7:10 PM
@dirac16 shut it
@Asmyldof trying to experiment with electroplating solutions. So many recipes on the interwebs, combined two of them
 
7:35 PM
.....
 
7:47 PM
@Asmyldof Erm, for who is that annoyed and upset silence?
 
@DanielTork for some "try it and see " chemistry
 
^^
 
8:18 PM
In the end it looks like I won't get around using sulphuric acid :/
 
 
1 hour later…
9:34 PM
@PlasmaHH Well, just chucking chemicals together without thinking about it is just about the same as soldering shit together and seeing what happens when you turn it on
And then getting Copper Tartrate rather than a plating solution isn't that much of a miracle
 
@Asmyldof ah, well, almost, its more like using any random resistor value and then looking what the opamp does. there is a rough idea that some of the stuff could react and precipitate, or could not, who knows ^^
 
@PlasmaHH I've seen acts like that bubble over and eat away at stuff too, so it's not always that innocent
 
@Asmyldof true that, but in this case that was about impossible to happen
 
Well, I know it wouldn't have, but I also knew you'd get impure copper tartrate
Unfortunately I have no idea what you could use it for though
 
9:50 PM
maybe killing plants?
 
Snails for sure
"Copper tartrate may be used as a catalyst for the fabrication of helical polyacetylene fibers by the polymerization of acetylene"
 
of course, waht else
 
Killing plants?
 
I could put a bit on my axe, sure it helps
 
Could not possibly hurt, maybe
 

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