@Iain it's an answer in the form of a question (i.e. it should be rephrased as an answer)

@Iain I dunno, but I think you should point him at that post on meta, since he has done that quite a bit lately.

it fails the Trebek test

@MichaelHampton he is one of the main reasons I wrote it

Is this dude just a major tool?

@JoelESalas heh...

@voretaq7 ?

@Iain The equivalent of "You were correct, but you didn't phrase it in the form of a question" on Jeopardy

Personally I don't think that's really an "answer" myself -- it should rightly be a comment because it's requesting clarification from the asker

It would be an answer (possibly wrong) if it said "In order to do what you want you need to .... because ....."

@voretaq7 I see it more as a series of hints

@Iain are hints answers? (I think they can be - but you have to explain some of the "why" behind the hint or it's just voodoo. Short, slippery slope to "Disable SELinux and allow all traffic on the firewall!")

It's a bloody answer now!

@MichaelHampton you beat me to it

@MichaelHampton "This answers the question, but doesn't help the asker understand why - it's a "Press the green button twice" solution..."

:-)

(or if you prefer: "Give a man a root shell and he'll crash the system. Teach a man to use a root shell and you can go on vacation and let him deal with the users for a few days.")

What halon comment?

On the blog post: If the red button releases the halon, then that's a once in a lifetime trick.

Meh, I am more tempted to flag @HopelessN00b's response as not an answer. I completely agree with what he is saying though.

I think there's just a bug on the page. Thought I saw somebody else upvote it (bringing it to 5) but when I refresh it's at 3.

@Tanner @MichaelHampton I'd rather know why the button colors aren't standardized

@voretaq7 RTFM or die?

EPO is almost always red. Door release is usually green (but I've seen red and yellow), Halon release is usually yellow (but I've seen red)...

@Tanner I think all the modern systems have a pre-action delay of at least 10 seconds

Sorry had to close the VMware 2.0 question.

@ewwhite Y U HATE OBSOLETE TECHNOLOGY?

@HopelessN00b Fight fight!

FWIW, I think I disagree with you on 192 addressing - even if you just pick one /24 you've got over 200 addresses which is a lot for most companies, and it wouldn't exactly be tough to VLAN off a bunch of 192.168.x.x subnets.

@Zoredache Meh. "Don't blow your foot off, dumbass" most certainly is an answer to the question "how do I pull the trigger of this shotgun when it's pointed at my foot???" Not the answer VMWare Server guy dumbass gun n00b wanted, but an answer nonetheless.

@Dan Depends... who am I fighting?

@HopelessN00b Just spotted your rollback

@Dan Oh, that. Well it did totally change the meaning of my answer. And bring it to the attention of a downvoter...

@Dan Sure. Still makes you look unprofessional, though, and appearances/how you come off are an important consideration.

@HopelessN00b I dunno, I wouldn't notice it - so long as it's VLANd up properly

@Dan Me? Too harsh? Never.

Fucking bills

Hyper-V is weird

Yes.

You can run a VM on a cluster, on a CSV, without it being HA

So odd

@HopelessN00b ;) I don't think you're wrong in what you say, I just disagree if that makes sense. Personally I'd have a 10.0.0 address range in any network I built because I really don't understand why people limit themselves in private IP ranges. I've been on site somewhere this week with a /26 server VLAN. WHY WHY WHY?

@MDMarra the first time I heard the term "CSV" for Hyper-V I was like - wait what?!

heh

Cluster Shared Volume

@Dan What's wrong with a /26 server VLAN? I've got a /28 server VLAN..

@MDMarra Not sure what's so odd, or am I misunderstanding? I mean, you can do exactly that with vmWare surely

Heck, I've got 12 /28 server VLANs. ;)

@Dan How can you run a VM on a vSphere cluster without that VM being HA?

@freiheit Why limit yourself?

If it's on the cluster in VMware, and that cluster is configured for HA, everything will failover when a host dies

@Dan We don't want to run out of room in our /16

Not so in Hyper-V unless you explicitly mark each VM as HA

@Dan smaller broadcast domains may make sense if your applications are broadcast/multicast-heavy

@MDMarra Ah, in VMware you can manually pull a VM out of HA though

How?

Odd. I'd forgotten that I'd dropped at VTC on that bad old vmware question.

@DennisKaarsemaker That's fine, I grasp that, but it's much harder to expand than it is to simply not fill your VLAN up

@DennisKaarsemaker Having a nice large set of addresses available, doesn't hurt anything. You don't have to actually use them.

Yeah, I love my /64 subnets. I don't think any of them will ever run out of addresses.

@MDMarra Doesn't changing the VM Restart Policy do the trick?

@Zoredache of your total address space is big enough. We carve our 10.0.0.0/8 into a set of /16's per dc (one for each security zone). So 255 /24's left, to divide among applications, should be doable :)

@Dan I don't think so? Not on an HA cluster, right?

Maybe it does, I don't know

I guess for me it's more of an issue because I tend to work in places that don't have on site network expertise so I walk in and we're stuck with what they were given [x] years back

@MDMarra You've made me question myself now, but I don't have anything to connect to

Me neither

I don't have prod access to anything at $newjob

@DennisKaarsemaker we do basically the same thing - our numbering scheme is 10.[site].[purpose].[machines]

[purpose] can theoretically span a /23 or more if it had to, but the chances of us ever needing more than 255 machines under a specific purpose code is.... small :)

it's not at all small for us, it's a certainty :)

@Zoredache Well, of course, the problem is that when you have 8388606 possible addresses, if you lose a server's IP, it can take forever to find it again.

(and if we ever did it would be office workstations, which are under 192.168/16, and could move into the 172 net if they had to)

Damn ping scan's been running for 6 years now, still haven't found which IP my server's at. >:/

@DennisKaarsemaker I very much like not being at an ISP anymore :-)

and on that note I have to procure worms for my lizard. Adios!

@HopelessN00b how do you lose a servers IP? Don't you have DDNS, cam tables on your switches, arp tables on your routers, and so on that would help you track down a lost system?

@HopelessN00b broadcast ping

@Zoredache I wrote it down on a post-it note and the cleaning crew threw it out. :(

interesting

@Dan You shouldn't have a lot of hosts in a cluster

It scares me how big and complex these systems are, to be honest. I mean, how the hell do you ever get to 'expert' level with so much detail and information.

@JoelESalas Agreed, but it's still an intriguing footnote. You'd assume that vSphere would crack on with your high priority guests and go from there

Right then, bed time. Laters

@JoelESalas sure you should

well, define "a lot"

@Dan Not having a life outside of work, which is 100% devoted to the giant VMWare farms you administer.

Augh, overwhelmed with bills

Cactus?

Feels like it

I hate getting paid every two weeks

@Cole You'd prefer bimonthly? Monthly?

Weekly

@freiheit semi-monthly!

I get paid monthly. That's hard to get used to at first.

@Cole you need to budget, bro

@MDMarra that's what I'm doing right now

I need a PT job

or some side work

Honestly, you should have no problem living alone on what you make though man

@MDMarra no, I know

@MDMarra Like a baller.

and I didn't before surgery

@ewwhite you know it

Just paid my car off, suckers

God damn you

Ugh I feel like I'm never going to get out of this

You just need to make a plan

From what you've said, it's not insurmountable

It's not, I'm just an idiot

You make more money than a lot of couples our age, for real. Just stop spending so much goddamn money haha

I know, I just paid $1500 in bills

that includes my rent, btw

@MDMarra Rule of thumb is less than 10 right?

depending on HA requirements

@JoelESalas No idea

I would like to get to a point where I just have to pay my cell, car insurance, rent/utilities/groceries

@JoelESalas 16 doesn't seem unreasonable.

but that's going to take years

@Cole probably not. What are your actual living expenses?

Rent, food (not eating out daily), heat/water, and minimum loan payments

Long list

Those are the minimum to live though

It's close to $2500/month

that's just paying minimums

rent, food, heat/water, and minimum payments are essential

I never miss a payment or am late.

Everything else is a choice right?

Yeah, I mean I didn't eat out (LOLZ) this week except today

and that was $6

So then you just choose between things like new clothes, or paying down a high interest source of debt

or cable TV or paying of CC debt

Yeah I need to cut my Verizon bill back

As long as you have shelter, food, and transit, everything else is optional. So then it becomes a question of "how long is acceptable"

@MDMarra Some of my pants are ten years old

@JoelESalas WHAT

Not me. I was 50lbs lighter then

I was a scrawny little dude

@MDMarra I was....70lbs lighter then

They were probably also women's jeans

so there's that

Yes.

@MDMarra That's quite fashionable now

I was like a size 3-5 in women's

oh yeah good point

so that's what, a 28-29 in mens?

no clue

It's tiny

Now I'm a 40 :/ well some pants I have are 38s

I'm a 35x31 so that basically means everything I buy gets tailored

Well, not everything

but pretty damn close

I really should get mine tailored

29 length is still way too long usually

styyyyylin

I have a severe beer belly

Which is now super apparent without boobs.

I should just focus on losing the weight, which would mean cooking for myself thus saving money.

you guys are

sysadmins, I guess

?

I'm not huge: sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/…

I try to fight the whole "sysadmins are big fat guys" stereotype, it's not easy

every meetup I go I'm in the 20th percentile of fatitude

but there's always 3-5 guys that are ENORMOUS

but yeah, def. not skinny.

and I hate it. I have such a negative body image. THANKS TO BEING A FEMALE PREVIOUSLY I AM BRUTAL ON MYSELF.

@JoelESalas It's difficult to be skinny when you sit in a chair 10+ hours a day and eat junk food. Even without the junk food it's hard.

I'm just really hard on myself, overall. Every manager has told me that's my biggest downfall

@freiheit I'm trying super hard

because fuck that shit

@JoelESalas I tried super-hard last year as part of training for a 300 mile 5 day bike ride. Lost about 10 pounds. Turns out, whether you're 250 pounds or 240 pounds, riding a bike up hills is hard. :)

If I get the job at Reebok, I have free access to the gym - and during the day they have sports you can play

@freiheit time to lose another 50 then :)

I just realized I've been watching Say Yes To The Dress

@DennisKaarsemaker hey, I eventually made it up those hills...

@Cole Ugh. My future-MIL and my fiance' have been dress shopping via Facebook messages. It's been brutal.

@Adrian ouch

So, Jenna and I are now officially together.

However, I gave her a long list of "ground rules"

Her fiance and her split last summer - now she just has a wedding dress in her closet Awkward.

I'm sorry but I have to share this picture of my niece

@Cole just what we need in this channel. Child porn...

:p

:P

She's so stinking cute!

My sister made some really cute kids

Also, she took those pictures. :)

Do you guys use Safari Books or buy physical books for tech books?

@Cole I used to have free Safari through my company but they dropped it. Now I mostly just buy ebooks from oreilly.com

@RyanRies do you read them on an iPad or something?

Awesome. Face to Face interview scheduled for next week.

PC, iPhone, Kindle, whatever

@Adrian ooo for what? and congrats :D

Tech material changes so fast that it doesn't seem right to get a physical copy unless you're buying something that is a little more timeless

@Adrian cool man! good luck

@Adrian Congrats

@RyanRies makes sense.

@Cole Heh. Going to the Dark Side, actually.

DevOps?

@Cole Pretty much.

SHUN! SHUN THE TRAITOR!

@Cole see it as a good thing: a sanity injection into the world of devops.

@DennisKaarsemaker true

Really, I passed the audit, why a time limit

Lord.

blog.cyberexplorer.me/2013/03/… this is pretty cool

Girlfriend: I'M STUPID Me: Good thing you're pretty..

I'm going to pay for that.

@Cole yes... yes you are

unless you dangle somthing shiny, then she will forget

She just called me an idiot and moved on.

@Cole I called the wife an easter egg today. She asked why. I said: sweet and filled with chocolate.

She did not retaliate yet.

@DennisKaarsemaker LOL

Why do I still have Say Yes To The Dress on?! Christ.

@DennisKaarsemaker thats pretty good, better then "hard shell filled with boiled bird fetus"

@MattBear I may have said "sweet, round and filled with chocolate" :)

@DennisKaarsemaker ahh lol

@DennisKaarsemaker oh no, you're going to get it

and not the good kind

How long have you been married?

4.5 years

+5 years engaged

and how long before being engaged