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8:00 PM
@Jacob That is begging to be hacked
doesn't he know wikipedia is community edited? We should give something else.
 
@KevinSoviero First, they won't sign it. Second, even if they did, and then decided to screw you, you'd have to spend buckets of cash on a lawyer and they know that
 
@Basil C'est la vie. I guess I just have to trust that I can prove that I'm the best person for the job.
 
@KevinSoviero Reputable VCs won't be jerks about it, I'd imagine
but for every one of them, there are 100 douchenozzles
If I were you, I'd start off begging family for loans to show that you are willing to put some skin in the game, and then going as far as you can without any help
How well you play that phase will dictate how seriously they take you
You have to demonstrate that you're really willing to risk more than they are, per capita.
 
@TheCleaner I bet he's more confused by mine. :p
Why do the incoming connections go through the firewalls, and the outgoing connections go around them? If you want to go around the firewalls, you'll probably need a whole different connection. Can you lay your own dark fiber between your server and your customers? — HopelessN00b Genius of network 56 secs ago
 
@Basil I have a day job that pays $70K and I have no expenses since I live with my parents, so I can foot my own bill for that first phase.
 
8:06 PM
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork meanie!
 
@KevinSoviero You are in the right place, then. Prepare by getting more credit than you strictly need, then save up as much as you can. Protect yourself with at least a token patent or something, then spend money to get yourself to the first phase
Probably a prototype
 
Genius of Meanie, even...
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@Basil What do you mean by "getting more credit than you strictly need"?
 
And you can now put a face to the name
 
@KevinSoviero Go get a line of credit. Then get a bank credit card. Then get a credit card from a non-bank. Then get one from a grocery store. Keep getting cards until you stop getting approved.
 
8:08 PM
@Basil @KevinSoviero This is very true, and one of my favorite VC stories is about how Michael Flatley (that Irish Lord of the Dance guy) did just that, in reverse. Before he struck out on his own and made a fuckton of money, he invited a bunch of VCs and investors and asked if they'd be willing to invest in his idea and business plan. And when they said that they would, he took it as an indication that it was a good enough idea to finance on his own, did, and kept all the money for himself.
 
Understand that if you use them all and fail, you'll have to go bankrupt
but you'll have to use them all to succeed
 
@Basil I tried getting a credit card a few weeks ago and was turned down for it... The only credit card they let me have was a secured credit card with a $200 limit...
 
@KevinSoviero but... you make 70k a year...
 
@BigHomie Heh, you can practically see the douchy delusions of grandeur and self-importance in his face. Well, I can, at least... and it's not like I'm a Genius of faces.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Nice, and didn't have to give up 99% of his money, company, idea, and soul.
 
8:10 PM
@Basil Go ask the bank, not me
 
@KevinSoviero Your first card?
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork yep.
 
@Basil ya, never had credit before, which is why they turned me down "lack of credit profile" they said.
 
@KevinSoviero that's fine, get a prepaid one for now. Then have a parent or someone cosign for one. Get a year's history or whatever, then go all in and get like 100k of cards
 
@Basil k
@Basil Thank you for this help by the way.
 
8:12 PM
@KevinSoviero No problem. I hope you understand what I'm saying, though- this field is littered with the corpses of the futures of bright nice people with good ideas.
 
@KevinSoviero meh, just get a secured credit card, they give those to anybody
 
@KevinSoviero I'd imagine job history has something to do with it too.
 
If you really do max out as many cards as you can, beg/borrow from everyone you know, and save until you can afford to drop big money on a prototype, all you've done is spend money.
 
@BigHomie Well, the problem there being that if he had the money to secure enough credit to finance his idea... he'd have enough money to finance his idea... and wouldn't need credit in the first place.
 
it's the only way to get people with real money to pay attention, but you need to be solid about your idea and your vision. And realistic.
 
8:14 PM
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork From what I hear about $250 can get you a few Gs in secured credit... capitalone.com/credit-cards/secured-mastercard
 
@KevinSoviero To be honest, though, if your idea needs 1 million in capital to spin up, you're probably barking up the wrong tree... such expensive ideas generally result in very expensive products/services that have a very limited customer base... or rely on selling a hug number of, which puts you at the mercy of the fickle public, who, let's not forget, still think FaceBook is great. Hugely popular things and great things don't have a lot of overlap.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Speaking of facebook being great
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@BigHomie Boston Bomber. The cute one. "OH FUCKING SHIT!!!"
 
@Wesley That was a tragedy lol
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork The reason it's so expensive has to do with the fact that I have to hire people who know how to do certain things that are beyond me. It's a hardware venture, and while I can do 99.9% of it myself, I still need to hire someone for that last 0.01%.
 
8:23 PM
@BigHomie youtube.com/watch?v=A_a6RjR_AHY Someone just sent me that video...
 
Plus the cost of fabrication of the hardware itself.
 
@KevinSoviero Outsourcing is the future, hire a bunch of minions to do it all and pay them little of nothing, or better yet find some who share your 'vision' and will work for a 'future' payoff
 
@KevinSoviero Try to find someone who can do what you need and partner with them.
 
@BigHomie That solves half the costs, now what about the hardware itself?
 
@KevinSoviero 3d print it ;)
 
8:26 PM
@Basil That's certainly an option.
@Basil You can 3D print a circuit board, IC, etc? ;)
 
@KevinSoviero you've never had a car loan, etc? even at your age?
 
@TheCleaner I don't understand the question...
 
@BigHomie I charge $150/hr and then outsource to a friend in India who charges me $35 an hour. He then outsources it again to a guy in Africa for $5/hr. Works for me!
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@TheCleaner Yay global economy!
 
@KevinSoviero meaning I'm surprised you don't have a decent enough credit file already. I think I had 3 different car loans by your age.
I would at least start building your credit history asap.
 
8:30 PM
@TheCleaner I think car loans are different because they have built-in collateral. If I default on a credit card, they have nothing to grab.
 
@TheCleaner Really? Got my first car loan... well, last year actually.
 
@TheCleaner I'm working on that more than you know...
 
@KevinSoviero it still proves credit history.
 
@TheCleaner I know, I just mean that it's easier to get a car loan than a credit card.
 
@TheCleaner Might not be a bad thing. I had 4 different credit cards at his age, that would all be in default a few years later. :)
 
8:33 PM
@Tanner I was taught young. I remember my first car I bought for $3k. I had the cash at 16 because of mowing the previous 3 years. But my dad had me get a car loan and then pay it off via auto-debit from a savings account over 2 years. It cost me a little bit in interest, but he paid that difference and it helped build my credit history early.
 
@TheCleaner ah, good plan.
 
@Tanner his plan, not mine. When he said "let's go to the bank" I was hoping he meant "let's get you a $20k car and put that $3k down"...lol.
 
@TheCleaner hahahaha
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork I'm a bit more conservative with money than that. My first two cars were both bought with cash for under $10,000... I don't believe in spending money you don't have, but you need to have a credit score to get a mortgage, so I'm working towards that goal.
 
@TheCleaner Yeah, that's the American way now, no more used cars for teenagers, less and less I mean
 
8:37 PM
@KevinSoviero You can have a circuit board custom built, yes.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Same, I would have done things a lot different
@ChrisS lol interesting take on it
 
@BigHomie my plan for my kids is simple. We are saving right now for when each of them hits 10 years old. When each does, we'll setup a mutual fund in their name for $5k each for their retirement. That's roughly $200k at age 65 in addition to whatever they get via 401k etc..without any additional investment on my part. We don't plan on funding college for our kids...they better be smart or athletic enough for scholarships. :)
 
Everyone should go upvote this superlative answer to The Cleaner's laptop display size question, as it is actually the answer.
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A: Why are laptop screens sized the way they are?

Adam DavisDisplay sizes are determined primarily by how many displays will fit on one mother glass slab at the manufacturing plant. The manufacturing plant starts off with a single slab of glass, onto which the displays will be manufactured. Mother glass sizes are mostly standardized in the industry, and...

 
@TheCleaner Convince them to become welders. Better money there... mechanics as well
 
@Basil I don't care what they become as long as they move out after college. :)
 
8:49 PM
@TheCleaner Why send them to college?
You can apprentice in the trades right out of high school
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork I've upvoted, but the highest answer should be downvoted into oblivion, b/c it offers nothing.
 
and assuming you're smart enough to get into college, you'll probably have your own business by the time your friends have made it past their first entry level college grad job
College is a pyramid scheme that doesn't have any relevance in the real world of today's job market
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork fascinating!
 
Anonymous
> Security - Secure Transport

Available for: OS X Mountain Lion v10.8.5, OS X Mavericks v10.9.2

Impact: An attacker with a privileged network position may capture

data or change the operations performed in sessions protected by SSL

Description: In a 'triple handshake' attack, it was possible for an attacker to establish two connections which had the same encryption keys and handshake, insert the attacker's data in one connection, and renegotiate so that the connections may be forwarded to each other.
 
8:51 PM
Unless you're a doctor/engineer/doing it for the personal development, it's not worth the paper it's written on
 
@Basil I will likely (this is 12+ years away for the first one) require them to have a college degree. Even if they want to enter a "blue collar" career choice. It will still help them overall.
 
Anonymous
Update your OS X servers and desktops immediately. Also iOS.
 
@PatoSáinz Again..? Sigh.
 
@TheCleaner If they take the 30k that costs and invest it when they graduate, they'll be better off
 
@Basil It has relevance because they make the pinnacle of college achievement a requirement for employment in some cases. They make it relevant unfortunately.
 
8:52 PM
I assume you'll be bankrolling this?
 
@PatoSáinz what makes you think there are Marketing dept. people in the Comms Room?
 
@PatoSáinz I just skimmed it, but it sure did look like a lot of fucking SSL problems...
 
Anonymous
@TheCleaner who knows
 
Anonymous
@freiheit indeed
 
@Basil college? no...see my comment about that above.
 
8:53 PM
@TheCleaner Why not just use that mutual fund to pay for college? It's a fine use for it.
 
@BigHomie Like I said, an 18 year old that becomes an electrician or a train conductor will make more immediately and throughout their life than anyone but an engineer
 
@Basil What about a Linux admin? :(
 
@Basil that's the exception and not the rule
 
@TheCleaner then, no offence, but you can't require an adult to spend 30k. You can convince them to do it, but that would be doing them a disservice.
 
@KevinSoviero won't be worth crap from age 10 to 18...maybe around $15k...
 
8:54 PM
@KevinSoviero conductors make 180k a year. electricians make 100k. Plumbers, 250+ if they're good and always busy.
The money no longer goes to the college grads. That boat has sailed, and all your parents are confused.
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@Basil Also, money isn't everything
 
@Basil Linux admins make over 100K, at least where I live.
 
@Basil The first 2 years of college is free here if they can't get a scholarship.
 
@BigHomie No but it's a god damn lot.
 
@Tanner Only if you make so. Wouldn't be worth anything if you didn't need it to live.
 
8:55 PM
@Basil not discounting that...but a plumber WITH a college degree is usually the guy that owns a giant plumbing business.
 
@BigHomie That sounds like someone who has money. The lack of money sure as shit is everything when you're in the middle of it.
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^^
 
@TheCleaner He could own his business without a college degree. Also, becoming a plumber requires an education that takes as much work as a college degree, usually.
 
As @Wesley would say, today is star all the @Basil shit! day.
 
@KevinSoviero I have my moments.
 
8:56 PM
 
@Basil I just have a different perspective on life now. Money is cool, but it can't cure cancer, raise the dead, or prevent an earthquake.
I used to chase money, but what will it get me? Usually alone is the answer.
 
@BigHomie I grew up eating macaroni and tomato sauce and watching my mom work her ass off at a minimum wage job. Money isn't everything, but it's not right to pretend it's not anything.
 
@BigHomie I'm not looking to do anything of that. I just don't want to stress out about it. Wife and I argue less as the money goes up, and oddly we've never argued about money.
 
@Basil Except that a lot of corporate jobs (which, face it, are where most of the non-technical jobs are these days) basically require a college degree or some level of previous experience to get in the door. Not to mention that those of use on work visas need a degree to even have a chance at a work visa. So, yeah, pyramid scheme/scam, but a necessary one for many folks.
 
@Basil I never said it wasn't anything.
 
8:58 PM
@Basil not discounting that...it's certainly plausible. Let me state it this way....the kid is either going to college or going to trade school or something besides drifting from job to job.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork So let people who buy into their parents' wrong advice fight over those jobs. I have to pay a small fortune every time I need some trade work at my house, and I'm lucky if I can get anyone to return my call and work in the next 6 months
 
@BigHomie But you only have the luxury of saying that because you have enough money to satisfy your basic needs, like food and a home. If you don't have that much money (or aren't certain you will/are stretching to make ends meet), money certainly is everything.
 
@TheCleaner Fair enough. I can't argue with that :) Couch surfing is not a valid lifestyle choice for my kids either
 
@Basil Do like the Europeans do and learn to DIY. I do my own plumbing, electrical, even construction work. Saves a fortune, and can be fun at times, too.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork I'm tempted to, but I have no interest or aptitude. I just suck it up and pay through the nose, and count my blessings that despite never getting a college degree, I earn as much as I do
 
9:01 PM
I think trade school is underrated... along with community colleges and 2-year technical degrees. Lots of bang for your buck in all that. I have plenty of friends over the Cascades with nice fancy degrees that make a whole hell of a lot less than I do.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork You can't say that, everyone has expenses, I have to stretch my money just like the next man, plan, save, purchase, etc. I'm just not thinking about the next big score like I used to, or trying to make it big like that. If it happens it happens, but there are more important things in life, all jokes aside
 
@Tanner A friend of my wife's has a degree from Oxford. She didn't know what she wanted to do, so ended up studying blindly assuming that her life would be ok as long as she got a degree. She was wrong. She has over 100k in loans now, and works alongside teenagers in a research lab.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork that is an EXCELLENT answer to the question! I'll let it get a few more upvotes and then accept it. BTW, I actually mistakenly thought you were repwhoring @BigHomie 's answer for him. :)
 
@BigHomie Now that my basic needs and wants are sated, I take the same attitude you do toward money, I think. it's a means to an end, not an end in itself.
but growing up in borderline poverty will teach one respect for money.
So I don't turn down work ;)
fuck markdown
 
@Bob - go tell the folks in the SU chat room to upvote the piss out of that answer...it is perfect for what the question was.
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A: Why are laptop screens sized the way they are?

Adam DavisDisplay sizes are determined primarily by how many displays will fit on one mother glass slab at the manufacturing plant. The manufacturing plant starts off with a single slab of glass, onto which the displays will be manufactured. Mother glass sizes are mostly standardized in the industry, and...

 
9:05 PM
night :)
 
@Basil Heh, I sure do. If the person offering is a pain in the ass. Or I'm feeling lazy. Or I have plans. Or I'm in the middle of watching something interesting... for all manner of trivial reasons, really.
 
Holy crap I'm old....
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Q: What are the Windows A: and B: drives used for?

Demian KasierIn Windows you have a C: drive. Everything labeled beyond that is with the following letter. So your second drive is D:, your DVD is E: and if you put in a USB stick it becomes F: and the following drive G:. And so on and so forth. But then, what and where are A: and B:?

 
9:19 PM
@TheCleaner Heck. =(
 
I remember floppy disks. I don't remember actually using one at any time this century...
 
@MichaelHampton If we're talking 3.5", I used one last year to update a DRAC on a PowerEdge 860.
I have a USB floppy drive.
 
I don't even have a floppy drive in my junkbox!
 
If we're talking 5.25", that's hasn't been since I think 1990/91 and my Apple III
 
@Basil true
@Basil I'm doing better than a plumber!!
 
9:22 PM
 
@TheCleaner Yeah that made me sad...
 
Did I totally miss the money and happiness discussion?
I just saw a friend who is $260,000 in college debt.
and 33 years-old
 
holy shit
time to go beg for money on the street...
how do you even rack up that big a bill?
 
expensive private school, masters degrees in things that don't pay money..
So I'm done. Met with @danila today.
and at my hotel...
"Sorry sir... The hotel is completely booked tonight, so we can't honor your original room request. But we did upgrade you to the Penthouse!!"
so I'm like, whoa...
Next time, I'll go see @voretaq7
 
not a bad deal
those chairs scare me though
 
9:29 PM
@voretaq7 Maritime hotel in Chelsea. I always stay here. So this was a nice surprise.
Plus the boys in the neighborhood flirt with me.
lots of pretty people here.
(remember, Chicagoans are rough)
 
honey the chelsea boys flirt with everyone... except me
apparently I'm too straight or something.
 
@Tanner Medical school, or law school will do that to you too. And if you have some bad luck and can't work right out of college, after racking up that 6 figure debt, you can't find yourself fucked pretty hard, and basically out of a future pretty easily, because of the way student loan debt is structured and enforced by the government. In a lot of ways, student loan debt is really a worse deal than owing money to the mob.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Yeah, you can't default on either debt, but with the mob you can flee elsewhere in the country to get out of it... Still, your kneecaps are safer with a student loan debt.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork I'm switching to a private college, but I doubt I'll be in that much debt. Hopefully none.
 
@Jacob ah the nice thing of having education government regulated
 
@Jacob how much do you pay for a year in college?
 
@LucasKauffman The sticker price is 40k, and all said in done I should be paying around 27k for it.
 
@LucasKauffman You'll notice Jacob has much less of a soul than he used to.
@Jacob per year or per semester?
 
@Jacob dafuq
that's what you would pay here for an MBA
@voretaq7 WHAT? PER SEMESTER?
 
@voretaq7 that's a year
@LucasKauffman Some are that bad
 
9:43 PM
@Jacob you're getting off easy. Sticker at my alma mater is $33k/semester
plus lab fees if you take any cool classes.
 
@LucasKauffman 'Murica!
 
But I haz skills, so work and skill and no debt.
@voretaq7 NYU?
 
@ShaneMadden 'Murica. GIMMIE YO' FUCKIN' MONEY!
 
If I see that I pay about 500 euro per year plus another 500 for books
and we are still ranked as 60th best university
and we actually delivered AES and SHA3
 
9:46 PM
@voretaq7 holy fuck, my parents would have had to take a freakn mortgage if I had to pay that
poor americans
I almost want to send you guys humanitarian education aid :(
 
@Jacob Hofstra - 18,175 + 345 university fee + 105 technology fee + 75 activity fee, and if you take >17 credits they tack on an extra 2k
 
@voretaq7 Hey, that's supposed to be the fine print!
 
@voretaq7 niiice
 
@LucasKauffman Yup, people have been calling college education costs the next housing bubble. And, of course, as congress keeps shoving out more funds for financial aid and student loans, the price keeps going up. Funny how that works.
 
(it's actually a per-credit charge, the $18175 they quote is for a 12-credit load IIRC)
 
9:48 PM
I mean your health system sucks
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork And states turned their budget allocations to their university systems way down in the recession
 
but this is almost as ridiculous
 
@voretaq7 Heh, my alma mater did that too, but capped the per-credit charges at 15, or something like that. So I just took an average of 30 credit hours a quarter, and got my degrees at half price. :)
 
@voretaq7 Luckily, I don't have that problem. The Uni I'm at now charges per credit. Only like 385/hr though
 
and then there's a $150 lab fee for chem, I think the same for physics, Bio is a little more, it's $75 for photo, ad you MUST have a meal plan if you live on campus (~2k)
 
9:49 PM
@voretaq7 Everywhere has the meal plan restriction.
 
@Jacob Hofstra is 4-500/cr IIRC
 
jezus christ
 
@Jacob Hofstra offers 6 meal plans, 1st year students MUST take the $2000+ option 5 or 6 if they live on campus. At least commuters can still waive the whole thing.
 
and there are retards in America who still think that studying Philosophy or Art is a good undergrad?
 
@LucasKauffman Yes
 
9:50 PM
@ShaneMadden Yup, though rising education costs because the feds were shoveling money at the "problem" of not everyone in the country having a college degree started long before the recession. I was reading shit about it during Bush's first term FFS.
 
@LucasKauffman oh god yes
 
oh and if you don't use your meal plan credit it evaporates at the end of the semster
(Lackluster Food Services pockets it)
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork it predates Bush II
the "Everyone should go to college" thing was pushed heavy in Bush I term 2 through Clinton
 
@voretaq7 Oh, I'm sure. I just hadn't read about it before Bush Jr. :)
 
9:51 PM
At least the gendersplit is 58% female to 42% male so there's that...
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork and what's with the new name?
 
@Jacob I really want someone to explain to me how that's not a textbook example of monopoly abuse.
 
@voretaq7 I was wondering that too. It's in his profile bio.
 
Dear HopelessN00b Genius of network... it's easy for you to speak. If I could explain my problems in my language probably also an hysteric like you could help me, but in another Language (english) is no easy for me. Anyway thanks, I'll continue to try online. Ps. I make this job from 1998 when you were probably coming out of college. So before to speak... think! — Blasco73 13 hours ago
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Because no one challenges?
 
9:52 PM
@Jacob I'm sure it's been challenged before.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork It's "for the welfare of our students" -- we want to make sure you can eat (while in school, at the probable expense of your being able to eat later when repaying this crushing mountain of student debt with your degree in the artistic history of basketweaving)
They never say the part in parentheses at the orientation speeches though :)
 
@voretaq7 Yeah, but you can eat better elsewhere for cheaper most of the time.
 
@Jacob SHUT UP AND GIVE YOUR MONEY TO OUR CONTRACTED LACKLUSTER FOOD SLAVES!
 
@voretaq7 Yeah 2 grand for 120 days worth of food? What an overpriced PoS, even if that was the actual reason. You can live for a whole year on $500 worth of food, if you know what you're doing. And really like Ramen noodles.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork they assume you're eating 3 meals per day + snacks, at Campus food place prices.
 
9:58 PM
I feel pitty for you all
we just get student discounts
3 euro for a meal
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork $2,000 to eat for three months? That's not bad at all unless you like eating Flave-R-Ite brand horseshit and washing it down with tap water.
 
and 1 euro for a beer
and we have student bars sponsored by the university
 
@LucasKauffman I want a bear for €1
 
where you pay like 1/3 of the price of normal alcoholic beverages
 
@LucasKauffman Rawr give me bear.
 
9:59 PM
@LucasKauffman Remember it's 21 to drink here.
 
Around here, a $1 beer is probably made from runoff from the slime mold factory.
 
@Jacob It's 16 here for beer, 18 for anything above 15% ABV
 
Okay @LucasKauffman how about a llama for €1
 
@Wesley I cost way more than that
 
10:00 PM
@LucasKauffman 16... euro?
For a beer?
 
@MarkHenderson age
 
@MarkHenderson 16 years old
 
Ohh haha
Thats what I get for not reading anything but bottom of the page
 
@MarkHenderson Give me bear.
 
@Wesley Growl
 
10:01 PM
@MarkHenderson You seem to confuse things a lot. Thinking that more girls than boys on campus is a bad thing? What's wrong with you?
 
I just want a girlfriend who'll dress up like a bear and pretend to maul me. Is that too much to ask?!
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@voretaq7 ;)
 
@Jacob I didn't. I thought that you thought it was a bad thing and then I was confused
And yes I run on a lack of sleep at the moment
 
@Jacob I loved the fact that IT was part of Healthcare and Technology department, all them nurses yo
although IT was a giant sausage fest itself
 
@Wesley my friend with the $260k school debt will do that for you.
 
10:03 PM
@MarkHenderson I take it you have a new baby in the house?
 
the only girl in our year was gay
 
@LucasKauffman A giant-sausage fest or giant sausage-fest?
 
(that's how she's paying it off)
 
giant sausage-fest
 
@Jacob Not yet. Just netflix.
 
10:03 PM
@Wesley since I was there as well also the former
 
@MarkHenderson Is she over due at this point?
 
@Jacob 4 days
 
@ewwhite I'd dress up like a bear and maul that guy who's shorting your invoices, if you want. Flat fee, yo.
 
@MarkHenderson exciting
 
Theory is that it's too damn cold to be born right now so she's enjoying her extra time in-utero
 
10:04 PM
so is that a yes?
 
@Jacob Yes
 
@MarkHenderson What is "too damn" cold?
 
@MarkHenderson cold in Australia? What does that mean, that it's like only 30 degrees C?
 
@LucasKauffman 15c
 
@MarkHenderson we call that summer
 
10:05 PM
Well, we don't
 
@MarkHenderson That's not terrible, but I concur,
 
@LucasKauffman Come over and visit when it's 40 - 50 in the summer here.
 
It will probably get to lows of 5-7 in winter
 
@MarkHenderson On the bright side don't the car-sized spiders move slower when it's cold?
(or does that interfere with your commute?)
 
@MarkHenderson no snow in Australia?
 
10:06 PM
@voretaq7 They're not quite that big, but I found a redback spider web with eggs under a rock when I was gardening yesterday
 
Actually, @LucasKauffman, sometimes our overnight lows are 40C in the summer.
 
@LucasKauffman There is snow in the alps, but in general, no
 
@MarkHenderson Ew.
 
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@Wesley thanks for reminding me to call him
 
10:07 PM
@Wesley By "eggs" @MarkHenderson means "A dozen ostrich eggs poached from nearby nests that it was busy snacking on" :)
 
@Jacob Stories from when I was a kid was that redbacks can bury themselves in your ear to breed, because theyr'e so small
 
@ewwhite Get dat cheddar and stop playin' his game.
 
@MarkHenderson nopenopenope, I refuse to listen. Otherwise I'll never move there.
 
@MarkHenderson Nonsense, they're normal Australian spider-size:
 
10:08 PM
@LucasKauffman I remember it snowed in Melbourne once in the mid 90's. Maybe about 10mm but it was a big fucking deal
 
just slightly larger than an outhouse :)
 
@voretaq7 Unless you move into a house from the 50's we typically don't have outhouses any more
We moved dunnies inside a few years ago
 
@voretaq7 Perfect. That means it can't get in when I'm cleaning up after shitting myself.
 
@MarkHenderson For which the ass-biting toilet spiders are infinitely grateful -- it gets COLD outside!
 
@voretaq7 The part where he falls off the rock at the end is a nice touch
 
10:14 PM
 
@MarkHenderson It's my favorite Nope gif.
 
Anyway it's not the big ones that are the problem, it's the small ones
The redback spider is under 10mm in size
The redback spider (Latrodectus hasseltii) is a species of venomous spider indigenous to Australia. It is a member of the cosmopolitan genus Latrodectus, the widow spiders. The adult female is easily recognised by her spherical black body with a prominent red stripe on the upper side of her abdomen and an hourglass-shaped red/orange streak on the underside. Females have a body length of about , while the male is much smaller, being only 3–4 mm (0.12–0.16 in) long. Mainly nocturnal, the female redback lives in an untidy web in a warm sheltered location, commonly near or insid...
Good news is that if you realise you've been bitten then you won't die if you get to a hospital
 
Like that big?
 
@MarkHenderson the redback is also pretty much non-lethal what with anti-venom and all
Clearly spiders need to up their venom game
 
@Wesley Thats pretty big. I've never seen one that big
 
10:16 PM
Have I mentioned my arachnophobia? Yeah I'm out.
 
@MarkHenderson That's what she didn't say?
 
@Tanner even without arachnafobia WTF
 
> You cannot counterflag your own message
DOUCHE nozzles!
 
> Historically, victims were often bitten on the genitalia, though this phenomenon disappeared as outhouses were superseded by plumbed indoor toilets
 
@Wesley what did they flag of you?
 
10:17 PM
The spider.
The big fat toilet spider.
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@FEichinger Welcome to The Comms Room. Here's your out of context star.
Spit on someone for me, @LucasKauffman.
 
I only have problems with spiders when I have to interact with them
like, I won't feed tarantulas for friends
 
@voretaq7 Especially with your mouth. In your sleep.
 
and if the spider is in my apartment and refuses a polite invitation to leave via a piece of paper and the window it will be served eviction notice by my shoe and a paper towel.
 
*spits on @FEichinger *
 
10:24 PM
ಠ_ಠ
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I have a habit of not leaving rooms if I get called back in repeatedly. You do not want me to not leave.
 
@LucasKauffman Wrong person.
 
@FEichinger If you can handle it in here, we've earned you.
 
We have an escalating scale of spider tolerance.
Basement is spider territory, but they're accommodating about letting us do the laundry so they get left alone.
Main floor they get scooted outside (unless they're hanging out in the plants eating gnats, then they're fine)
Second floor (bedroom), their safety is not guaranteed.
 
@ShaneMadden Seems Legit
 
@ShaneMadden are these also australian redback spiders?
 
10:28 PM
@LucasKauffman Nope. We only have one potentially lethal type of spider here as far as I know.
The brown recluse spider or violin spider, Loxosceles reclusa, Sicariidae (formerly placed in a family "Loxoscelidae") is a spider with a venomous bite. Brown recluse spiders are usually between 6–20 mm ( in and  in), but may grow larger. While typically light to medium brown, they range in color from cream-colored to dark brown or blackish gray. The cephalothorax and abdomen may not necessarily be the same color. These spiders usually have markings on the dorsal side of their cephalothorax, with a black line coming from it that looks like a violin with the neck of the vi...
 
@ShaneMadden Another nice small deadly spider
@LucasKauffman Redbacks get killed nomatter what
 
I'm feeling a flag approaching.
 
My son found one in one of his toys one day. DAD DAD DAD! LOOK! A SPIDER!!!!
Ok son, time for a lesson on how to destroy something living
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@MarkHenderson We don't have nearly as many as you do, though. And I've never seen a recluse in the city.
 
For larger spiders like huntsmans, they get relocated
 
10:31 PM
@MarkHenderson nopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenope‌​nopenopenopenopenope
 
Well, if I find them they do. If my wife finds them then all matter of solid object will fly in its direction until it is bludgeoned to death from a distance
 
Here, look at this adorable solar-powered Jupiter
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@MarkHenderson you did use a form of deodorant spray with a lighter right?
 
@LucasKauffman No. My walls are plasterboard and I suspect that would ruin them
@voretaq7 Awesome
 
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Q: Setup Local Email and IIS SMTP Server Windows XP Pro

ukieI am look for a way of creating local email server that will allow me to send emails throughout the LAN only. That is, One computer is running an SMTP server and sending out emails to other computers (Microsoft Outlook) on the LAN (no internet involved). I know I can setup a Virtual SMTP server ...

 
10:37 PM
@MichaelHampton Sounds legit.
 
Yeah, well, clearly if anybody says anything, it will be abusive and spiteful.
 
@MichaelHampton so... you want me to close it?
 
This question appears to be off-topic because you just went full retard.
 
@voretaq7 Yeah, it's your turn to be the abusive and spiteful moderator. @ChrisS and I went yesterday.
 
@MichaelHampton At least it was XP Pro
I still have a client running SQL 2005 Express on Windows XP Home
 
10:45 PM
@MarkHenderson I had a client who was proud that they weren't actively staging NT anymore
 
@LucasKauffman I just died a little inside
Although doesn't @cole still have NT4 in production?
 
@MarkHenderson yep
 
Yay for Domain Functional Levels being raised to what they should have been 10 years ago?
 
@MarkHenderson most of the time when I see W2K I know it's going to be a very easy pentest
the times I still find W2K3 where I can exploit MS08-067
and then you get comments 'but it's a testserver'
yes attached to your domain
 
@LucasKauffman Are you working while in school?
 
10:49 PM
@Jacob nope
@Jacob I'm a full time security consultant
although I wish I was back in school
 
@LucasKauffman Conslutant.
 
@Wesley depends how much the client pays
 
@LucasKauffman A "Full service" pentest?
 
@MarkHenderson definitely
 
Perhaps a pentest where you take the lonely CFO out to dinner, wine and dine her, and then sneek through her desk when she's asleep on the couch after you did her on her desk?
I mean, how serious are you about your job?
 

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